Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-08-26

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 26 Aygoystoy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Meta th xqesinh synanthsh toy Ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai tis dhlwseis poy ekane o k. Giannopoylos, ti qa ginei me thn epimaxh diatajh gia ton Typo;

REPPAS: Opws gnwrizete, xqes, eixe synergasia o Prwqypoyrgos me ton Ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs, gia qemata poy aforoyn, kyriws, th nomoqetikh prwtoboylia poy anelabe o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs na prowqhsei nomosxedio poy antimetwpizei seira qematwn. Sto plaisio ayto, syzhthqhke kai to sygkekrimeno qema. O k. Giannopoylos xeirizetai, en leykw, to qema ayto. Proteine ston Prwqypoyrgo kai egine dekto, na oloklhrwsei thn epikoinwnia toy me toys armodioys foreis, p. x. me thn ESHEA, na apeyqynqei -kai qa to kanei o k. Giannopoylos- stoys foreis, na toys qesei enwpion twn eyqynwn toys, gia na gnwrizei pws akribws pisteyoyn oti prepei na antimetwpistei ena akraio fainomeno, toy opoioy oloi eimaste martyres. O k. Giannopoylos exei steilei kai sto parelqon epistoles stoys armodioys foreis. Epishs, o k. Giannopoylos qa apeyqynqei kai qa apanthsei kai sto Dieqnes Institoyto Typoy, to opoio diatypwse kapoies apoceis gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Qa enhmerwsei to Institoyto Typoy gia to fainomeno ayto, to opoio exei ekdhlwqei sthn Ellada me entono tropo. Kai malista, qa enhmerwsei to Institoyto, stelnontas sygkekrimena keimena, ta opoia einai en pollois ybristika kai sykofantika gia sympolites mas. Einai ena qema to opoio xeirizetai o k. Giannopoylos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Giannopoylos eipe xqes oti qa to xeiristeite mazi. Eseis den eiste o armodios Ypoyrgos Typoy, den prepei na to xeiristeite eseis kai oxi o k. Giannopoylos;

REPPAS: To qema twn poinikwn kyrwsewn apotelei prwtoboylia toy Ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs. Ta qemata poy aforoyn th leitoyrgia twn Meswn Enhmerwshs, asfalws apoteloyn dikh moy armodiothta ki exoyme synergasia, antallassoyme apoceis gia to qema ayto. Alla, gia to qema ths epibolhs twn poinikwn kyrwsewn thn prwtoboylia exei o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs. Oson afora ta qemata ths deontologias h ths epibolhs allwn dioikhtikwn kyrwsewn, asfalws, sto plaisio ths leitoyrgias toy ESR, ws epopteywn Ypoyrgos, exw ki egw na diadramatisw kapoio rolo. Kai ayto ginetai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mesa se ayto to plaisio toy ESR, den kalyptetai ayto to gegonos kai prepei na ferete allh diatajh gia toys dhmosiografoys;

REPPAS: Den epiballei poinikes kyrwseis to ESR. Gi` ayto, akribws, ekana th sygkekrimenh diakrish. Gnwrizete oti to yfistameno nomiko kaqestws, gia th leitoyrgia twn MME, sthn patrida mas, ejasfalizei thn eleyqeria ths ekfrashs, thn aproskopth kai xwris parembaseis leitoyrgia twn MME. H sygkekrimenh diatajh, sthn opoia anaferqhke o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, den afora kaqoloy ton Typo kai filodojei na antimetwpisei ena poly eidiko kai sygkekrimeno qema, sto opoio anaferqhkame leptomerws tis prohgoymenes hmeres.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete an ayth h diatajh, ektos apo oloklhrwtika kaqestwta, yparxei se kanena allo kratos toy kosmoy;

REPPAS: To qema. k. Stamatopoyle, einai na apanthsoyme prwta kai kyria sthn aitia poy dhmioyrgei to problhma kai na gnwrizoyme poly kala, an se eleyqera dhmokratika kaqestwta anaptyssontai akraia fainomena katasykofanthshs h ejybrishs sympolitwn mas, xwris malista na einai gnwsth h phgh h to ypokeimeno, to opoio ektojeyei aytes tis kathgories kai tis kataggelies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den moy apanthsate omws. Sas eipa, ean yparxei ektos apo oloklhrwtika kaqestwta, se dhmokratika krath, tetoia diatajh, poy qelete na ferete eseis.

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti den gnwrizete, poio einai to qema poy qelei na antimetwpisei o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, me thn protash thn opoia exei diatypwsei...

STAMATOPOYLOS: To gnwrizw poly kala.

REPPAS:... alla, eipame kat` epanalhch, oti eseis oi idioi prepei na aytoperioristeite, thrwntas kai sebomenoi th deontologia. Na apofeygete, dhladh, apoceis, qeseis, sxolia kai kritikes epishmanseis, tis opoies apodidete se kapoioys, xwris aytoi oi kapoioi na einai gnwstoi. Kai synhqws aytoi oi "kapoioi" den yparxoyn. Exoyme tetoia fainomena.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizete oti exoyme Kwdika Deontologias; Prosfata chfisthke.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizete oti o Kwdikas Deontologias katastrathgeitai diarkws; Den eimaste martyres parabiashs twn Kwdikwn Deontologias; Giati den qelete na doyme thn pragmatikothta pws exei, wste oloi na symbaloyme, kaqenas me to diko toy tropo kai apo th dikh toy pleyra, gia na ginei poly kalyterh h katastash, oxi mono gia th leitoyrgia twn MME kai gia thn enhmerwsh twn sympolitwn mas, alla kai gia th leitoyrgia twn qesmwn, gia to epipedo ths Dhmokratias sth xwra mas;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei kataggelia sthn ESHEA apo polith h apo Ypoyrgo gi` ayto to qema, gia sygkekrimeno qema kai den epenebh h ESHEA h h POESY;

REPPAS: Ola ayta ta qemata, ta opoia aforoyn th deontologia, exoyn kata koro syzhthqei. Ki egw exw qesei qemata sthn ESHEA -polla mporw na pw- gia thn thrhsh h thn mh thrhsh ths deontologias apo ta MME. Parakalw poly, to qema ayto einai spoydaio kai den prepei na to antimetwpizoyme sto plaisio mias eykairiakhs syzhthshs gia na dhmioyrgoyme entypwseis.

FILHS: Xqes, o k. Giannopoylos, o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs eipe oti lypatai gia logariasmo twn dikastwn toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias gia thn apofash toys epi toy qematos toy orkoy. Eseis eipate oti den sxoliazete tis apofaseis toy Anwtatoy Dikasthrioy. Poia einai egkyrws h kybernhtikh qesh gia to qema;

REPPAS: Exoyn diatypwqei apoceis gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Gnwrizete oti pagiws, ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, den sxoliazw apofaseis Dikasthriwn.

FILHS: Sygnwmh, k. Ypoyrge, einai proswpikes qeseis aytes toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy kai toy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala, me th dikh moy parathrhsh, poia einai h qesh ths Kybernhshs epi twn apofasewn poy lambanoyn Dikasthria ths xwras.

FILHS: Toy k. Giannopoyloy h dhlwsh, dhladh, ti einai;

REPPAS: O k. Giannopoylos ekane ayth th dhlwsh, o k. Benizelos ekane epishs mia sxetikh dhlwsh.

FILHS: Dhladh h Kybernhsh den exei apoceis epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos;

REPPAS: Bebaiws, yparxoyn apoceis epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos. Ayto to opoio emeis exoyme ypoxrewsh na kanoyme, einai na sebomaste thn aytonomia ths leitoyrgias twn ejoysiwn kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh apefyga xqes kai shmera qa apofygw na sxoliasw epi ths oysias thn apofash enos Dikasthrioy.

FILHS: Pisteyete oti to yfos twn ypoyrgikwn dhlwsewn "lypamai gia logariasmo toys" proagei ayto poy onomasate sxeseis anamesa stis diafores syntetagmenes ejoysies;

REPPAS: Den nomizw oti prepei na kanoyme dikh proqesewn h dikh yfoys. Ola ta qemata ta opoia exoyn sxesh me thn idiaiterothta, me thn opoia o kaqenas omilei, exoyn ki ayta th dikh toys qesh sthn olh ekfrash me thn opoia enas dhmosios andras, enas politikos paragontas, leei tis apoceis toy. Opws exw pei, sto parelqon, kai se allh periptwsh, qa htan fobero na skeftoyme oti mporei na eimaste oloi idioi. Einai poly kalo oti yparxei ayth h poikilia sto yfos, ston tropo me ton opoio ekfrazomaste kai nomizw oti ayto dinei mia prosqeth ajia sth zwh mas. Einai mia phgh xaras.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: Mia dieykrinish gia na katalaboyme, k. Ypoyrge. To qema den parapempetai stis kalendes, einai qema xronoy h kataqesh telika.

REPPAS: Gia to qema ayto milhsa apo thn prwth hmera. Epanalambanw tis dhlwseis poy ekana. Epiprosqetws ekana kai shmera sxetikes dhlwseis. To qema to xeirizetai, kyriws, o armodios ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs.

PAPAXRHSTOS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti to qema twn poinikwn kyrwsewn, gi ayth th sygkekrimenh diatajh, afora ton ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs...

REPPAS: Einai kai qema toy Ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs, asfalws. Kyriws, aytoy.

PAPAXRHSTOS: Poly wraia. To qema toy dialogoy poy ypotiqetai oti qa jekinhsei o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs me thn ESHEA, thn POESY kai toys alloys armodioys foreis, den sas afora; Giati den metexete eseis;

REPPAS: Ma, asfalws, exw ki egw dialogo me toys armodioys foreis gia ta qemata twn MME. O k. Giannopoylos exei aposteilei me dikh toy prwtoboylia epistoles sthn ESHEA kai oxi mono, apo ton Oktwbrio toy 1996. Dystyxws oi epistoles aytes den etyxan apanthsewn. O k. Giannopoylos protiqetai na epanelqei. Kai pisteyoyme oti qa yparjoyn apanthseis ayth th fora. Sto plaisio ths synergasias mas exoyme syzhthsh me ton k. Giannopoylo gia to qema ayto. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, o opoios endiaferetai na yparxei sebasmos ths proswpikothtas twn sympolitwn mas, na apofeygontai akraia fainomena ejybrishs h katasykofanthshs sympolitwn mas, dikaioytai na analambanei tetoies prwtoboylies.

MIXAHL: Toses meres akoyw ton k. Giannopoylo ki esas, genika thn Kybernhsh, na ekpempei mia problhmatikh se diaforetikes apokliseis, apoxrwseis kai den exw katalabei poio einai to antikeimeno. Me poia ennoia to lew: Ti einai ayto, poio sygkekrimeno gegonos sas odhghse, ton k. Giannopoylo sthn idea poy mas eipate xqes, ki eseis twra na mas lete oti prepei na antimetwpistoyn ta akraia fainomena; Mporeite na mas peite ena tetoio akraio fainomeno;

REPPAS: Exei ekdwsei leptomereis anakoinwseis o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs. Sas parapempw se aytes, einai apolytws, katatopistikes. Anaferei kai peristatika.

MIXAHL: Den anaferei kanena peristatiko.

REPPAS: Anaferei kai peristatika, kanete laqos. Aplws den tis exete diabasei. Ayto katalabainw twra.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sygnwmh. Otan ton rwthsame eipe "akoyw diafora". Den eipe ti sygkekrimena akoyei.

REPPAS: Stis anakoinwseis poy exei ekdwsei anaferetai kai se sygkekrimena peristatika. Sas parapempw se aytes. Kai an deite oti den anaferetai se sygkekrimeno peristatiko na epanelqete. Qa deite oti anaferetai...

STAMATOPOYLOS: O "deina" kai tetoia leei.

REPPAS: Ayth einai empeiria, thn opoia exoyn sxedon oloi oi akroates radiofwnikwn programmatwn.

MIXAHL: Ma, den einai qema akroatwn, k. Ypoyrge. Na katalaboyme, epiteloys, peri tinos prokeitai.

REPPAS: Einai mia empeiria koinh, ayth h empeiria twn radiofwnikwn programmatwn. Den komizei glayka sthn Aqhna o k. Giannopoylos. Se ayth thn Ieroysalhm paroikoyme oloi.

MIXAHL: Tote ypoqetw, epeidh olh ayth h istoria ekdhlwqhke gia prwth fora apo ton k. Giannopoylo, tis amesws epomenes hmeres meta tis katastrofikes pyrkagies sthn Pentelh, ekei poy eixame pragmati aganaktismenoys polites oi opoioi ekfrasthkan me akraio tropo kai asynhqisto, brizontas -an qelete- kai kathgorwntas eyqews kai politika proswpa kai kybernhtikoys ajiwmatoyxoys, akoma-akoma kai ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo. An, loipon, sas enoxlhse ayto, na bgeite na to peite, na katalaboyme ki emeis peri tinos prokeitai kai ti einai ayto poy sas enoxlei: Ta Mesa poy kanoyn th doyleia toys h oi polites, oi opoioi einai aganaktismenoi giati qewroyn oti den kanei oti prepei to kratos;

REPPAS: Ola ayta ta opoia eipate kai h "qewria" poy anaptyjate den exei kamia sxesh me to qema poy syzhtoyme. O k. Giannopoylos eipe oti, opws stis efhmerides den dhmosieyontai anwnymes h ybristikes epistoles, etsi kai sta hlektronika Mesa Enhmerwshs den qa prepei na diatypwnontai kathgories, oi opoies apodidontai se kapoioys poy to poio piqano einai na mhn yparxoyn. Yparxoyn dhmosiografoi, synadelfoi sas, entos eisagwgikwn, telikws, dhmosiografoi, an etsi meterxontai th dhmosiografia, oi opoioi metaferoyn -ypotiqetai- kataggelies diaforwn sympolitwn mas, poy einai amfibolo an yparxoyn. Kai ayto, oysiastika, den einai tipota allo para ena propetasma gia na kathgorhqoyn sympolites mas, eite aytoi einai politikoi, eite einai ierwmenoi, eite einai akadhmaikoi, eite einai aqlhtikoi paragontes. Ayto, loipon, einai ena fainomeno to opoio pisteyoyme oti prepei na antimetwpistei sto plaisio ths deontologias, an energopoihqoyn oloi oi foreis. Einai, omws, ena yparkto problhma.

FASOYLAS: Mia dieykrinish, gia thn ayrianh syskech twn kyriwn Shmith-Klhridh: Sth syskech qa symmetexei apo thn arxh o ypoyrgos Amynhs,, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, h qa labei meros se kapoia stigmh kata th diarkeia ths synanthshs;

REPPAS: Apo thn arxh. Qa exei plhrh symmetoxh.

FASOYLAS: Sth shmerinh syskech sto Megaro Majimoy, poioi elaban meros;

REPPAS: Oi hgesies twn dyo ypoyrgeiwn.

PARIS: Xqes, xrhmatisthriakoi kykloi ths agoras edinan kapoia stoixeia gia mikrh anakamch toy Xrhmatisthrioy, ths tajhs toy 3% ews 5%, ejaitias ths piqanhs antikatastashs toy k. Papantwnioy. Qa qelate na sxoliasete;

REPPAS: Dhlwsa, xqes, oti o k. Papantwnioy paramenei sth qesh toy, giati den exei opoiadhpote eyqynh gia to oti den pwlhqhke, se ayto to stadio ths diadikasias, h Ionikh Trapeza. O k. Papantwnioy exei pistwqei me polles tetoies ejelijeis, epiteygmata qa elega, ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Ayto einai gnwsto. Allwste, otan xqes eipa oti o k. Papantwnioy paramenei kai synexizei ws ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias, doqhke ena mhnyma -gia na xrhsimopoihsw to pneyma ths dikhs sas erwthshs- poy fainetai oti egine dekto apo toys ependytes kai blepw shmera oti to Xrhmatisthrio qa exei mia poly wrimh kai isorrophmenh ejelijh. Ayto shmainei, loipon, oti eyqys ws kapoioi akoysan oti o k. Papantwnioy paramenei sth qesh toy, mallon anakoyfish qa eniwsan, gi ayto antedrase etsi to Xrhmatisthrio. Apo th dikh sas erwthsh, etsi opws th qesate, moy dinete to dikaiwma na bgalw ayto to symperasma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai alhqeia oti o k. Shmiths zhthse thn paraithsh toy k. Papantwnioy;

REPPAS: Den eteqh tetoio qema. Na zhthsei o k. Shmiths thn paraithsh toy k. Papantwnioy; O Prwqypoyrgos; Kai na mhn thn kanei dekth thn aithsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy o Ypoyrgos; Kai qelete na sas apanthsw ep' aytoy; (!)

KATSAKOS: Shmera to prwi emfanisthke o k. Ntemirel sthn Agkyra, na kanei mia dhlwsh me thn opoia amfisbhtei thn ellhnikothta 183 nhsiwn kai braxonhsidwn sto Aigaio. Exete kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: Exw, kat' epanalhch, dhlwsei tis qeseis mas gia to sygkekrimeno qema. H ejwterikh politikh ths Toyrkias se diaforoys tomeis, kai sto sygkekrimeno, moiazei me apoliqwma toy parelqontos. Ayto mono exw na pw shmera.

FILHS: Yparxoyn plhrofories, alla kai protaseis apo oikonomikoys kai politikoys paragontes, na allajei h Kybernhsh ton tropo pwlhshs ths Ionikhs Trapezas. To kybernhtiko epiteleio ejetazei tetoioy eidoys periptwsh;

REPPAS: To kybernhtiko epiteleio ayth thn wra den ejetazei o, tidhpote exei sxesh me thn pwlhsh ths Ionikhs Trapezas. Einai ena qema to opoio apasxolei thn Emporikh Trapeza poy einai kai o pwlhths. Otan erqei h wra na asxolhqei to kybernhtiko epiteleio me to sygkekrimeno qema, qa labei apofaseis, tis opoies qa gnwrizete ki eseis. Einai poly prowro na milhsoyme gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Ayta ta opoia eipa xqes isxyoyn. Asfalws, pisteyoyme oti h oikonomikh politikh poy akoloyqoyme exei apodwsei karpoys, exei dhmioyrghsei ena periballon staqerothtas, to opoio einai poly eynoiko gia tis ejelijeis. Pisteyoyme oti telika h pwlhsh ths Ionikhs Trapezas qa oloklhrwqei me epityxia kai tote pia qa einai eykolo o kaqenas na bgalei to teliko symperasma toy. Mexri tote, parakalw oloys, idiaiterws toys politikoys twn allwn kommatwn, na einai prosektikoi kai ypeyqynoi stis dhlwseis toys.

Eyxaristw poly.

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