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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 25 Aygoystoy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

PARIS: H Kybernhsh prosanatolizetai na khryjei to diagwnismo gia thn pwlhsh ths Ionikhs agono; An nai, pote problepetai na ginei ayto;

REPPAS: To qema ths pwlhshs ths Ionikhs Trapezas to xeirizetai h Emporikh Trapeza, poy einai o pwlhths. To D. S. ths Emporikhs Trapezas qa labei syntoma thn telikh apofash toy. Ayto mporei na ginei entos ths hmeras. Qa moy epitrecete na kanw ena sxolio: H poreia ths Oikonomias ths xwras mas einai staqerh. Einai qetikh kai anodikh h poreia ayth kai den syndeetai me thn pwlhsh mias mesaias Trapezas. Ena apo ta piqana endexomena - dioti oydeis mporoyse na proejoflhsei thn ekbash aytoy toy diagwnismoy - htan kai h ejelijh ayth poy yphrje telikws. Efoson khryxqei agonos o diagwnismos, logw mh diasfalishs ths epiqymhths fereggyothtas apo toys ypochfioys, qa epanalhfqei to syntomotero dynato, se mikro xroniko diasthma. H ejelijh ayth prepei na antimetwpistei me eyqynh apo thn pleyra ths Kybernhshs, h opoia den ypakoyei sto dogma "pwlhsh gia thn pwlhsh", alla endiaferetai gia th diasfalish twn symferontwn toy Dhmosioy, twn symferontwn ths Trapezas kai twn metoxwn ths. Pisteyw oti oloi oi xeirismoi kai oi apofaseis qa prepei na ginoyn kai na lhfqoyn me gnwmona ta symferonta ayta. H Antipoliteysh den endiaferetai gia to symferon ths Trapezas. Epidiwkei na askhsei antipoliteysh kai mono sthn Kybernhsh. Eite diastreblwnei ta pragmata, eite agnoei pws akribws exei to qema, me apotelesma mono mesw ths dhmagwgias kai toy ceydoys na epixeirei na plhjei thn Kybernhsh. Etsi omws den askeitai antipoliteysh, xwris logika kai tekmhriwmena epixeirhmata. Antiqetws, ananewnetai o faylos kyklos ths anajiopistias kai ths anikanothtas ths Antipoliteyshs, ston opoio (faylo kyklo) exei perielqei, edw kai arketo kairo, kai fainetai oti den exei th dynatothta na spasei ayto to kelyfos, prokeimenoy me eyqynh kai synesh na proseggisei ta qemata poy apasxoloyn th dhmosia zwh ths xwras thn teleytaia periodo.

PARIS: To klima ths yperaisiodojias poy kallierghqhke, meta thn pwlhsh th Trapezas Krhths, htan laqos apo thn pleyra ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS H Kybernhsh den kalliergei opoiasdhpote morfhs klima. H Kybernhsh xeirizetai ola ta qemata me megalh ypeyqynothta. Gnwrizete poly kala, oti se allepallhles erwthseis gia th ragdaia anodo poy gnwrizei thn teleytaia periodo to Xrhmatisthrio sthn patrida mas, oi apanthseis poy labate apo emas pantote htan apanthseis poy edeixnan aytosygkrathsh, cyxraimia kai eyqynh. Htan apanthseis logikhs kai politikoy realismoy. Ayto den prepei na sas diafeygei. An kapoioi, gia dikoys toys logoys, dhmioyrghsan ena klima, ayto den afora thn Kybernhsh. H Kybernhsh eyqys ej arxhs eixe safh politikh, thn opoia diatypwse. Me bash ayth thn politikh h Emporikh Trapeza proxwrhse sthn prokhryjh aytoy toy diagwnismoy. Apo to prosfato parelqon exoyme analoges periptwseis kata tis opoies den epiteyxqhke h pwlhsh allwn trapezwn kata thn prwth h kai th deyterh diadikasia toy diagwnismoy. Telikws, omws, to egxeirhma stefqhke me epityxia. Pisteyoyme oti to idio qa symbei kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Efoson h poreia ths Oikonomias einai anodikh, opws eipate, tote giati synebh ayto to fiasko me thn Ionikh: Giati emfanisthkan kapoioi me amfiboloy proeleysews xrhmata:

REPPAS: Prwta ap' ola den yparxei opoiasdhpote morfhs fiasko. Epeita se mia diadikasia diagwnismoy den proepilegeis toys ypochfioys. Ana pasa stigmh se enan diagwnismo kai malista dieqnh, yparxei to endexomeno kai h piqanothta na proselqei ws ypochfios agorasths, mias trapezas en prokeimenw, opoiosdhpote o opoios qewrei oti diaqetei tis aparaithtes proypoqeseis. H Politeia, h Kybernhsh, o armodios foreas, opws einai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh h Emporikh Trapeza, exei ypoxrewsh na probei se oloys toys elegxoys gia na diapistwsei an ikanopoioyntai oi proypoqeseis poy ej arxhs exoyn teqei. Oi proypoqeseis aytes htan safeis kai sygkekrimenes: Prwton, to eylogo kai dikaio timhma gia thn pwlhsh ths Trapezas kai deyteron, h apolyth fereggyothta twn ypochfiwn agorastwn. Qa prepei, loipon, na ikanopoioyntai aytes oi dyo proypoqeseis. An ikanopoioyntai h oxi, einai ena qema poy apasxolei ayth thn wra thn Emporikh Trapeza, h opoia qa labei thn telikh apofash ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws meta ap' ayto poy egine h Emporikh Trapeza qa apeyqynqei se kapoion jeno Oiko gia na yparjei kapoia kalyterh proetoimasia gia to neo diagwnismo, wste na mh ginoyn ta idia;

REPPAS: O diagwnismos yphrje acogos. Anejarthta apo thn ejelijh, den prepei na genikeyoyme kata thn ejagwgh twn symperasmatwn. Epanalambanw oti tetoio fainomeno eixame kai kata th diadikasia pwlhshs allwn trapezwn sto prosfato parelqon. Me aformh thn erwthsh sas moy dinete thn eykairia na pw oti akoygontai orismena pragmata ta opoia h eytrapela einai - an kapoioi gnwrizoyn pws exei to qema kai para tayta den omiloyn th glwssa ths alhqeias - h apodeiknyoyn perissh agnoia. Otan mia etairia einai sto Xrhmatisthrio kai syndeetai h timh ths pwlhshs ths me thn timh ths metoxhs ths, den xreiazetai na xrhsimopoihseis kapoion eidiko symboylo, giati akoysa na diatypwnetai kai ayto to epixeirhma. O symboylos ayths ths morfhs xrhsimopoieitai stis periptwseis ekeines poy prepei na apotimhqei h ajia mias biomhxanias, mias epixeirhshs poy einai ektos Xrhmatisthrioy h gia prwth fora eiserxetai sto Xrhmatisthrio. Edw exeis ena odhgo shmeio, prokeimenoy na staqmiseis to eylogo h dikaio timhma poy soy prosferoyn. Nomizw, loipon, oti den einai swsto ayto to epixeirhma poy diatypwnetai apo thn Antipoliteysh, opws den einai swsto epishs to epixeirhma poy diatypwqhke peri ths ek twn proterwn ejetashs ths fereggyothtas twn ypochfiwn agorastwn. H fereggyothta ejetazetai symfwna me to Nomo poy diepei tis Trapezes, o opoios isxyei edw kai arketa xronia. Bebaiws, h fereggyothta ejetazetai pantote ek twn ysterwn, giati den mporei na gnwrizeis poios einai aytos o opoios qa proselqei se mia diadikasia diagwnismoy, h opoia einai anoikth kai dinei se oloys th dynatothta na laboyn meros s` aythn. Ean oi proypoqeseis, peran toy ti pisteyei o ypochfios agorasths, syntrexoyn pragmatika, symfwna me ta osa problepontai stoys oroys ths prokhryjhs, einai qema to opoio apotelei antikeimeno elegxoy toy pwlhth, qema to opoio ayth thn wra apasxolei thn Emporikh Trapeza.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai kati akomh, k. Ypoyrge: Qa hqela na rwthsw giati eklhqh o k. Papantwnioy apo ton k. Shmith kai ean meta to fiasko qa parameinei Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias.

REPPAS: O k. Papantwnioy asfalws einai Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias. H ejelijh ayth den exei opoiadhpote sxesh me th qesh thn opoia katexei kai thn idiothta toy. O k. Papantwnioy einai prwtergaths sthn prospaqeia poy kanei h xwra mas na epityxei th dhmosionomikh ejygiansh kai thn oikonomikh anaptyjh. Apo ekei kai pera, opws kai me alloys Ypoyrgoys kai stelexh, exei synergasies o Prwqypoyrgos. Sto plaisio ayto synantatai shmera kai me ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Oikonomias, opws argotera qa synanthqei kai me ton Ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs, opws tis epomenes hmeres qa exei synergasies kai me alloys Ypoyrgoys. Oi synanthseis aytes htan programmatismenes, sto plaisio toy programmatos toy Prwqypoyrgoy, prin prokycei ayth h ejelijh sxetika me thn pwlhsh ths Ionikhs Trapezas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, twra moy lete den einai ypeyqynos. Poios einai ypeyqynos; Mhpws mporeite na moy peite apo thn Kybernhsh poios einai ypeyqynos gia olh ayth thn istoria; Yparxei kanenas;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh xeirizetai ta qemata ayta me megalh ypeyqynothta. Den einai dynaton h Kybernhsh na agnohsei oti peran toy ycoys toy timhmatos qa prepei na ejasfalizetai h apolyth fereggyothta poy epiqymoyme na yparxei stis synallages aytoy toy eidoys. Ayto apotelei kai thn kalyterh apanthsh se oloys ekeinoys poy kata kairoys diatypwnoyn kathgories, xrhsimopoiwntas th lejh "jepoylhma". Edw fainetai oti h Kybernhsh endiaferetai gia th diasfalish twn symferontwn toy Dhmosioy, ths Trapezas kai twn metoxwn ths kai gi` ayto akribws h Emporikh Trapeza proxwrei s` ayton ton endelexh elegxo, gia na gnwrizoyme pws akribws exoyn ta stoixeia taytothtas twn endiaferomenwn agorastwn. Den einai dynaton na exei eyqynh o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias, epeidh akribws to endiaferon gia thn pwlhsh mias mesaias trapezas, s` ayth th fash, den einai ayto poy isws epiqymoysate eseis h ki emeis. Alla, ayto einai teleiws allo qema apo to qema to opoio apotelei to kentriko ergo toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Oikonomias na symbalei me tis eishghseis toy kai me to ergo toy, wste na exoyme anaptyjh s` ayton ton topo. Kai prepei na poyme oti exoyme epityxei ryqmoys anaptyjhs sthn Ellada ychloteroys apo toys antistoixoys deiktes sta alla krath ths E. E. Aytos einai o rolos toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Oikonomias kai s` ayton exei antapokriqei o k. Papantwnioy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den moy apantate, poios einai ypeyqynos apo thn Kybernhsh gia tis trapezes; Mporeite na moy peite;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, otan mia trapeza, thn wra poy brisketai se ejelijh h diadikasia pwlhshs ths, den einai toso elkystikh, symfwna me ta osa oi idioi oi epixeirhmaties apofasizoyn, den eyqynetai gi` ayto o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias h h Kybernhsh. Epanalambanw oti exoyme prohgoymeno paradeigma, sto prosfato parelqon, analogwn diadikasiwn, poy telikws stefqhkan me epityxia, enw s` ena prwto stadio h pwlhsh h opoia kai tote epidiwketo, den eixe ginei efikth. Qa prepei, loipon, cyxraima na antimetwpisoyme ayth thn ejelijh, h opoia den diatarassei thn oikonomikh politikh poy akoloyqei h Kybernhsh kai den ephreazei tis diarqrwtikes allages tis opoies exoyme edw kai arketo kairo jekinhsei. O stoxos mas paramenei o idios kai pisteyoyme oti to stoxo ayto qa ton epityxoyme.

FILHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate nwritera, oti paramenei ws krithrio gia to timhma ths pwlhshs h xrhmatisthriakh ajia ths IONIKHS Trapezas. Ayto einai ena stoixeio poy diaforopoiei ayth thn ypoqesh, ths IONIKHS, apo tis prohgoymenes poy eixan thn ekbash poy eipate. To erwthma einai: H shmerinh -ap' oti eipate kai eseis- akarph ejelijh toy diagwnismoy qa trofodothsei, opws lete, ptwtikes taseis ths xrhmatisthriakhs ajias ths IONIKHS. Ara ej antikeimenoy den yparxei mia yponomeysh toy kybernhtikoy stoxoy gia thn pwlhsh ths IONIKHS;

REPPAS: Prwta ap' ola, to an einai akarph h oxi h diadikasia qa to gnwrizoyme otan apofasisei...

FILHS: Ma, to eipate nwritera. Eipate den pwlhqhke.

REPPAS: Eipa "efoson"...

FILHS: An deite sta praktika...

REPPAS: Eipa, efoson khryxqei agonos o diagwnismos... 'Allwste akomh den exei pwlhqei h Trapeza. Asfalws den pwlhqhke. Exei anakoinwqei pwlhsh; Ayth thn wra asxoleitai h EMPORIKH Trapeza gia na labei thn apofash ths. Ayth thn wra poy syzhtoyme den exei pwlhqei h Trapeza. Ayto einai to qema. Oson afora ta alla shmeia ths erwthsh sas lew toyto: Emeis, xrhsimopoioyme ws shmeio odhgo -kai to eipame eyqys ej arxhs- thn xrhmatisthriakh timh ths metoxhs ths IONIKHS Trapezas. To Xrhmatisthrio poreyetai anodika edw kai arketo kairo kai to gnwrizete poly kala. Alla bebaiws einai sth logikh twn agorwn, na yparxoyn diakymanseis sto Xrhmatisthrio. Kai epanalambanw oti pantote emeis otan miloysame gia to Xrhmatisthrio kai tis ejelijeis s' ayto, eimaste ypeyqynoi kai miloysame me enan tetoio tropo poy kaqe allo para prodide yperhfaneia gia to o, ti petyxame kapoio megalo stoxo. Dioti gnwrizete poly kala pws yparxei mia idiaiterh logikh, mia aytonomia, enas aytomatismos sth leitoyrgia toy Xrhmatisthrioy poy den mporoyme na ton ephreasoyme apolytws. Me ayth thn ennoia, loipon, den qa prepei na syndeete to ena me to allo. Oi epixeirhmatikoi kykloi, oi epixeirhmatikoi omiloi kanoyn tis dikes toys analyseis, tis dikes toys epiloges. Exoyn ayto to dikaiwma. Emeis exoyme dikaiwma, ypoxrewsh kai kaqhkon na diasfalisoyme ta symferonta toy Dhmosioy. Kaqe fora, loipon, poy pisteyoyme oti ayto epitygxanetai analogws qa proxwroyme. Otan den epitygxanetai ayto, pantote oi apofaseis mas qa einai antistoixes.

FILHS: Dhladh h desmeysh poy eixe o k. Papantwnioy thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, oti to minimoym timhma gia thn pwlhsh ths IONIKHS qa einai gyrw sta 220 dis draxmes, den isxyei shmera;

REPPAS: Den eipe akribws ayto o k. Papantwnioy, den ekane kapoia ejaggelia. O, ti exei pei o k. Papantwnioy isxyei. Gnwrizete poly kala poia einai ta epipeda sta opoia kineitai h ajia ths metoxhs ths IONIKHS Trapezas. Gnwrizete poly kala poio einai to pososto to opoio pwleitai. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti -opws kai xqes epanelabe o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias- dyo krithria qa lhfqoyn ypoch: H apolyth fereggyothta kai to eylogo kai dikaio toy timhmatos to opoio prosferetai gia thn agora toy paketoy metoxwn poy pwleitai.

FILHS: To timhma poy eixe pei o k. Papantwnioy, 220 dis, thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, isxyei shmera h oxi;

REPPAS: Den qa orisoyme ayth thn wra thn timh pwlhshs, den to ekane pote h Kybernhsh. Eipame pantote, kai epanalambanw, oti h timh ths metoxhs einai ena shmeio odhgos, to opoio deixnei kai to epipedo sto opoio prepei na kinhqei to timhma gia thn agora toy paketoy metoxwn ths IONIKHS Trapezas.

FILHS: Dhladh, h Kybernhsh den desmeyetai apo to shmerino epipedo ths xrhmatisthriakhs ajias ths metoxhs ths IONIKHS;

REPPAS: Afoy eipa oti h ajia ths timhs ths metoxhs sto Xrhmatisthrio einai shmeio odhgos.

FILHS: Pote;

REPPAS: Pantote.

FILHS: Th stigmh toy diagwnismoy h o mesos oros toy etoys, gia paradeigma;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti to eylogo kai dikaio toy timhmatos, krinetai thn wra poy yparxei mia sygkekrimenh protash. Otan ginei o diagwnismos kai ypoblhqoyn oi protaseis, qa ejetastoyn prokeimenoy na laboyme tis apofaseis mas, sto plaisio bebaiws ths genikoterhs politikhs. H telikh apofash afora to Symboylio ths EMPORIKHS Trapezas.

MIXAHL: Pragmati, o k. Papantwnioy den prosdiorise akribes poso. Wstoso oles oi plhrofories poy eidan to fws ths dhmosiothtas kai to analogo klima -poy sas rwthsan prohgoymenws kai apanthsate- diamorfwnan peripoy mia timh gyrw sta 220 dis draxmes. Eseis eipate oti den eyqyneste ws Kybernhsh gi' ayto. Poioi eyqynontai;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti o katexwn ayto to ajiwma edw kai poly kairo, exei pacei na einai "kai plhroforiwn". Den exw kamia sxesh egw me plhrofories oi opoies diakinoyntai. Plhrofories oi opoies polles fores dioxeteyontai apo sygkekrimenes phges kai kentra, gia profaneis skopoys. H Kybernhsh den exei opoiadhpote sxesh me tetoies leitoyrgies kai diadikasies. H Kybernhsh xeirizetai ta qemata se ena epipedo diafaneias, me enan tetoio tropo wste na einai se oloys gnwsto to ti akribws prattei h Kybernhsh.

MIXAHL: Apokleiete to endexomeno kapoioi kratikoi ajiwmatoyxoi h kybernhtikoi paragontes na dioxeteysan h na dhmioyrghsan ayto to klima, me enan yperballonta zhlo qa sas elega egw, alla apanthste moy epi ths oysias, apokleiete to endexomeno ayto;

REPPAS: Poies plhrofories na kallierghsan;

MIXAHL: Peri toy ycoys toy timhmatos, peri toy oti qa yparxei sigoyra antagwnismos...

REPPAS: Ma, asfalws, giati den eixan kanena logo na to kanoyn.

MIXAHL: Kai tosa, olo ayto to klima poy eisprattame toso kairo, poy lete eseis oti den eixate... Apo poy proerxotan;

REPPAS: Giati qa prepei na apanthsw egw gia th dhmioyrgia enos klimatos gia to opoio den exoyme opoiadhpote eyqynh h syneisfora.

MIXAHL: Apokleiete to endexomeno kapoioi ajiwmatoyxoi kybernhtikoi, kratikoi...

REPPAS: Apanthsa s' ayto molis prin.

MIXAHL: An telikws aytoi oi agnwstoi poy prosferan ayta ta ejwpragmatika -kata to klima- posa, apodeixqoyn fereggyoi, cajoyme kai broyme oti oi anqrwpoi oyte kleftes, oyte apatewnes einai, oyte...

REPPAS: Den to eipe kaneis ayto.

MIXAHL: Lew, cajoyme kai broyme oti einai kaqaroi kai apodeixqei apo thn ereyna. Tote; Den toys jerei kanenas aytoys mexri twra, alla exoyn "to koytelo kaqaro", ti qa kanete, qa toys dwsete;

REPPAS: H apanthsh einai aytonohth: Asfalws kai qa agorasoyn thn Trapeza. Ma, den exei pei kaneis apo thn pleyra ths Kybernhshs, oti exoyme na prosacoyme otidhpote s' aytoys oi opoioi proshlqan ws ypochfioi agorastes. Ayto to opoio eipame kai epanalambanw einai oti ayth thn wra einai se ejelijh kai elpizw syntoma na oloklhrwqoyn oi elegktikes diadikasies, wste na gnwrizoyme akribws thn taytothta twn ypochfiwn agorastwn. Den exoyme probei se xarakthrismoys, giati akribws den exoyme stoixeia ta opoia qa mas epetrepan na kanoyme aytoys toys xarakthrismoys.

PARIS: Epeidh h tash, opwsdhpote meta apo ayth thn ejelijh, qa einai ptwtikh gia sthn timh ths metoxhs ths IONIKHS kai mexri na erqei o neos diagwnismos, qa hqela na rwthsw ean h Kybernhsh exei ypoch ths kapoio minimoym plafon to opoio qa einai arketo wste na pwlhqei h IONIKH kai poio einai ayto;

REPPAS: Kyrie Paris, den einai dynaton na mellontologhsoyme, na kanoyme ypoqeseis peri ths poreias toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Qa moy epitrecete na pw, pera apo ekproswpos ths Kybernhshs eimai enas anqrwpos o opoios den exei kamia sxesh me to Xrhmatisthrio, den diaqetw oyte mia metoxh opoiasdhpote etaireias. Mh me rwtate, loipon, kai mh qelete na syzhthsoyme twra peri toy an qa einai ptwtikh h qa einai anodikh h poreia sto Xrhmatisthrio. Den exei opoiadhpote sxesh ayto me to qema to opoio twra syzhtoyme.

PARIS: Kybernhtikoi kykloi eixan qesei ena plafon, opws eipe kai o k. Filhs, to opoio epibebaiwnetai gyrw sta 220 dis. Ayth th stigmh h metoxh qa arxisei na peftei. Prepei na yparxei kapoia skech sthn Kybernhsh, poso dexetai na dwsei thn IONIKH, giati apo kei kai pera den qa th dwsei, den qa einai pwlhsh, apo kei kai pera qa qewrhqei jepoylhma. Poio einai ayto to epipedo; Ayto rwtw.

REPPAS: O,ti eipa ston k. Filh, qa epanalabw kai se sas. Qa prosqesw, aplws, oti ayth thn wra poy den exoyme thn telikh apofash ths EMPORIKHS Trapezas, me kaleite na syzhthsoyme gia thn prokhryjh enos neoy diagwnismoy kai na prosdiorisoyme to eylogo kai dikaio timhma gia thn pwlhsh toy paketoy twn metoxwn. Pragma to opoio den mporei na ginei.

SOYGLERHS: H Kybernhsh ektima oti paixthke kapoio paixnidi metajy twn ypochfiwn agorastwn gia na pesei h timh ths IONIKHS Trapezas;

REPPAS: Den exoyme kapoia stoixeia gia na mporoyme na isxyristoyme kati tetoio.

ALEJAKH: Ayth akribws htan h erwthsh moy, an exete dei dhmosieymata poy miloyn gia paixnidi metajy twn dyo endiaferomenwn h kapoio paixnidi poy paizetai, to opoio eixe ws stoxo na rijei thn timh ths IONIKHS. Ayta ta dhmosieymata h Kybernhsh pws ta antimetwpizei; Yparxei tetoio endexomeno kata thn apoch sas, na paizetai ena tetoioy eidoys paixnidi; To blepete san endexomeno, to ejetazete; Giati qa mporoyse, qaymasia, na exoyme dyo etaireies poy na einai etaireies fantasmata, na diekdikoyn mia Trapeza, na akyrwsoyn ayto to diagwnismo, na pesei h timh ths IONIKHS opws ginetai kai opws qa ginei tis epomenes hmeres kai na thn agorasei kapoios m' ena pio eylogo timhma. Ayta ta paixnidia ginontai kai sto ejwteriko, giati na mhn exei ginei kai edw kati tetoio. To ejetazei ayto h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: To timhma einai eylogo. Den yparxei perissotero h ligotero eylogo. Ayto to opoio prepei na pw einai oti h ejelijh ayth mporei na exei ephreastei apo epiloges tis opoies ekanan epixeirhmatika diktya, ayto omws afora ta diktya ayta kai efoson leitoyrgoyn synnoma den epitrepetai se mas na krinoyme tis epiloges poy kanoyn. Giati bebaiws qeloyn kai ekeina na diasfalisoyn ta dika toys symferonta. Ayto poy apomenei se mas einai na diasfalisoyme ta symferonta toy Dhmosioy. Gi' ayto akribws ana pasa stigmh, otan kai pali exoyme na antimetwpisoyme analoga qemata, thn idia qesh qa paroyme. Qa milhsoyme gia to dikaio kai eylogo timhma kai gia thn apolyth fereggyothta poy prepei na ejasfalizontai. Ayth einai h grammh pleyshs mas kai den allazei, se kaqe periptwsh.

ALEJAKH: Me th diafora oti den yparxei ena plafon. An yphrxe ena dikaio kai eylogo timhma, "peripoy toso"...

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti gia epixeirhseis oi opoies einai eishgmenes sto Xrhmatisthrio, ws odhgos xrhsimopoieitai h xrhmatisthriakh timh ths metoxhs toys. Ayto einai kati poy dieqnws einai paradekto kai isxyei.

KARAGIANNH: Eipate, prohgoymenws, oti otan mia Trapeza den einai toso elkystikh gia toys epixeirhmaties den eyqynetai h Kybernhsh h o armodios Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias. H Ionikh Trapeza exei ena fortismeno politika parelqon. Me dedomenh th xqesinh ejelijh h Kybernhsh den aisqanetai thn anagkh na analabei endexomenes politikes eyqynes gia ton tropo poy xeiristhke thn poreia ths Trapezas pros thn idiwtikopoihsh;

REPPAS: Prwton, h diadikasia ayth den oloklhrwqhke, wste na exoyme th dynatothta na bgaloyme to teliko symperasma. Deyteron, an poyme oti shmera apofasizei h Emporikh Trapeza na khryjei akarpo to diagwnismo, kanoyme ayth thn ypoqesh, gnwrizete -to eipa allwste- oti syntoma o diagwnismos qa epanalhfqei, opws egine kai se alles periptwseis. Qa perimenoyme, loipon, na oloklhrwqoyn ola ayta ta stadia kai otan pleon exoyme mia katastalagmenh kai diamorfwmenh katastash qa mporoyme na thn krinoyme, pragma to opoio den prepei na ginei twra. H Ionikh Trapeza, symfwnw mazi sas, asfalws sto prosfato parelqon antimetwpise polla problhmata. Edw syzhtwntas, sto plaisio ths kaqhmerinhs politikhs enhmerwshs, kat' epanalhch sxoliasa pws oi apergiakes kinhtopoihseis, se kapoio baqmo, apajiwsan thn Trapeza h thn epibarynan, etsi wste monon arnhtikh yphresia mporei na pei kaneis oti proseferan oi ergazomenoi me tis kinhtopoihseis toys. Ayto, omws, einai kati to opoio exei perasei. H Ionikh Trapeza pleon "bghke" stis diagwnistikes diadikasies, prokeimenoy na metabibastei to pleiochfiko paketo twn metoxwn ths. Ayto poy exei shmasia twra einai h diadikasia ayth na oloklhrwqei, eite twra, eite s` ena epomeno stadio, an apobei shmera akarpos o diagwnismos, me tetoio tropo, wste na diasfalizontai ta symferonta ths Trapezas. Ayto qa kanei h Kybernhsh.

ELENOPOYLOS: To gegonos oti h Kybernhsh, meta thn entajh ths draxmhs sto Mhxanismo Synallagmatikwn Isotimiwn, sxedon kata apolyto tropo taytise thn epityxia ths politikhs ths sto oikonomiko epipedo kai kyriws thn entajh ths sthn ONE me thn ylopoihsh toy paketoy metoxopoihsewn, mhpws, telika, apodeiknyetai shmera, meta apo tis kapoies agones en pash periptwsei stigmes kapoiwn diagwnismwn -anaferomai kai sthn prohgoymenh Trapeza, alla kai twra sthn Ionikh- oti dhmioyrgei arnhtikes proypoqeseis s` ayth thn poreia;

REPPAS: Oi ejelijeis aytes deixnoyn isa-isa th dyskolia toy egxeirhmatos. Apotelei, qa elega, titlo timhs h dyskolia ayth gia thn Kybernhsh, h opoia meta apo para polla xronia einai h prwth Kybernhsh poy tolmhse na proxwrhsei se diarqrwtikes allages, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme to kentriko stoxo mas, poy einai h entajh sthn ONE, h anaptyjh ths xwras me koinwnikh eyaisqhsia. Ayto, omws, to opoio den prepei na diafeygei kai apo esas kai apo emas einai toyto: Den exei oloklhrwqei ayth h diadikasia. Eite milame sxetika me thn Ionikh Trapeza, eite sxetika me ta Katasthmata Aforologhtwn Eidwn. Otan oloklhrwqei ayth h diadikasia qa mporoyme na bgaloyme to teliko symperasma. H diadikasia ayth einai se ejelijh. Kai h diadikasia twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn genikws qa proxwrhsei me bash ton programmatismo mas. Aytes oi dyskolies se kapoio baqmo htan anamenomenes. Giati, bebaiws, gia prwth fora tolma sthn patrida mas Kybernhsh na proxwrhsei stis anagkaies ejygiantikes tomes gia na odhghsei th xwra -san mia isxyrh xwra- ston 21o aiwna.

GKOGKAS: Yparxei kapoia plhroforhsh sthn Kybernhsh gia to epeisodio poy egine sthn Kypro; Qa hqela ena sxolio.

REPPAS: Shmera to prwi gyrw stis 5 h wra, ta jhmerwmata, sthn perioxh Paralimnioy ths Kyproy Toyrkoi stratiwtes pyrobolhsan enantion Ellhnwn caradwn. Den epaqe tipota kaneis apo toys carades. To sxolio to opoio mporw na kanw gi` ayto einai oti oi dynameis katoxhs prospaqoyn me kaqe tropo na apodeijoyn oti exoyn kratikh ypostash kai ontothta. Sas ypenqymizw oti thn prohgoymenh ebdomada synelaban 11 Syroys carades anoikta ths Kyproy. Probainoyn se tetoies kinhseis, prokeimenoy na apodeijoyn oti einai kratos, oti exoyn ejoysia, thn opoia ypotiqetai oti askoyn. To epeisodio ayto exei lhjei. Eytyxws, den eixame opoiadhpote dysmenh troph. Den eixame traymatismoys. O xarakthras twn dynamewn katoxhs einai gnwstos. Paramenei panta o idios.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Kybernhsh symfwnei me th qesh poy phre o k. Pagkalos, xqes, gia toys S-300 oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh den apofasizei, alla monon h kypriakh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti kat` epanalhch exoyme pei oti h Kypros einai kratos-melos toy OHE. H Kypriakh Kybernhsh exei th dikh ths ypostash kai ontothta, exei th dikh ths aytonomia. Oydeis mporei na thn ypokatasthsei. Ayto den shmainei, bebaiws, oti den exoyme thn koinh eyqynh na xeirizomaste to megalo eqniko qema ths Kyproy kai ta epimeroys qemata. Pantote eimaste sthn idia eyqeia grammh gia na yperaspistoyme to dikaio ths prospaqeias ths Kypriakhs Kybernhshs gia dikaih kai biwsimh lysh toy Kypriakoy. Ayta einai logika, einai aytonohta kai den prepei na dhmioyrgoyntai opoiesdhpote paranohseis, giati kapoies dhmioyrghqhkan, apo tetoies dhlwseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Symfwneite h den symfwneite me th qesh toy k. Pagkaloy;

REPPAS: Oloi symfwnoyme me th qesh toy k. Pagkaloy. Kai h Kypriakh Kybernhsh symfwnei me th qesh toy k. Pagkaloy kai h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh, ths opoias einai Ypoyrgos o k. Pagkalos, afoy o k. Pagkalos ejefrase th dedomenh politikh twn dyo kybernhsewn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Proedros ths Kyproy ejefrase thn ekplhjh toy en merei gia th dhlwsh toy k. Pagkaloy, an eidate ta thlegrafhmata.

REPPAS: Antiqetws, eipe oti den dhmioyrgeitai opoiadhpote ekplhjh h aifnidiasmos. Kai logiko einai ayto. O k. Pagkalos epanelabe kati to opoio einai gnwsto. Den eipe kati kainoyrgio. Kai otan les kati gnwsto, oyte aifnidiazeis, oyte ekplhsseis.

BITSENTZOY: Me poio skeptiko anatiqetai se mia allh Kybernhsh, opws ayth toy k. Klhridh, mia sobarh apofash opws ayth ths egkatastashs twn S-300, h opoia qa mporoyse piqanon na emplejei th dikh mas xwra se mia stratiwtikh anametrhsh me thn Toyrkia;

REPPAS: Prwt` apo ola to oti ta qemata ayta antimetwpizontai apo koinoy apodeiknyetai apo to gegonos oti kai meqayrio, gia mia akomh fora, yparxei ayth h oysiastikh kai eyreia syskech metajy twn dyo Kybernhsewn sthn Aqhna. Epishs, gia mia akomh fora, epanalambanw th qesh oti den prepei na pagideytoyme s` ayto to paixnidi twn Toyrkwn poy qeloyn to politiko qema ths Kyproy, ena dieqnes problhma, na to metatrecoyn se qema promhqeias kai egkatastashs twn pyraylwn S-300 kai monon. Pisteyoyme oti ola ta qemata poy aforoyn thn Kypro antimetwpizontai me th deoysa eqnikh eyqynh apo tis dyo Kybernhseis. Einai eyqygrammismenes oi dyo Kybernhseis sthn prospaqeia ayth. Den prepei, omws, na katalyetai h aytonomia ths Kypriakhs Kybernhshs poy qa odhgoyse isws se ypobaqmish ths ontothtas toy kypriakoy kratoys, poy einai ena kratos me plhrh dikaiwmata, opws ola ta alla krath toy OHE. Kai ayto prepei na einai safes.

BITSENTZOY: Ypoqetw pws h yparjh toy dogmatos toy Eniaioy Amyntikoy Xwroy poy synapofasisthke apo thn prohgoymenh estw Kybernhsh toy PASOK kai thn Kypriakh Kybernhsh ypoxrewnei thn ellhnikh pleyra na synapofasizei gia krisima zhthmata poy pragmatika aforoyn kai ton ellhniko lao. Etsi den einai; Kai to lew ayto giati xqes o k. Pagkalos eipe oti h egkatastash twn S-300 einai ypoqesh ths Kypriakhs Kybernhshs.

REPPAS: To qema toy Eniaioy Amyntikoy Xwroy isxyei. Ayto den shmainei oti kaqe xwra, kaqe kratos den qa pairnei tis apofaseis toy, prokeimenoy na diasfalisei thn amyna toy. H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh apofasizei gia to diko ths ejoplistiko programma kai h Kypriakh Kybernhsh qa parei tis dikes ths apofaseis. Logw, omws, akribws ths idiaiterothtas ths katastashs stis apofaseis aytes ths Kypriakhs Kybernhshs poly konta brisketai h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh. Sthn prospaqeia ayth eimaste taytismenoi. Allwste, den xreiazetai to dogma toy Eniaioy Amyntikoy Xwroy gia na kanoyme to xreos mas, giati h Ellada einai eggyhtria dynamh, edw kai arketa xronia. Kai ta dikaiwmata kai tis ejoysies poy exei ta askei ws eggyhtria dynamh. Ara, loipon, h Ellada einai eggyhtria dynamh kai einai ayth h opoia proxwrhse apo koinoy me thn Kypro sto dogma toy Eniaioy Amyntikoy Xwroy. Ayto to plaisio einai poy prosdiorizei tis ypoxrewseis kai ta kaqhkonta poy exoyme apenanti sthn Kypro. H synergasia twn dyo Kybernhsewn einai aristh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy den xreiazetai to dogma toy Eniaioy Amyntikoy Xwroy giati to kanate;

REPPAS: Ayto katalabate;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy eipate oti einai eggyhtria, den xreiazetai lete.

REPPAS: Den eipa tetoio pragma. Eipa oti poly prin apo to dogma toy EAX yphrje h Ellada eggyhtria dynamh kai exei analabei sygkekrimenes ypoxrewseis tis opoies askei, antapokrinetai s` aytes. To dogma toy Eniaioy Amyntikoy Xwroy, to opoio apofasisame apo koinoy me thn Kypro eipa oti isxyei kai ayto apolytws. Kai ta dyo ayta orizoyn to plaisio entos toy opoioy kinoyntai oi dyo Kybernhseis. Ayto eipa.

FILHS: Xqes, sas rwthsa poia einai h qesh ths Kybernhshs, ean qewrei oti h apofash toy Proedroy Klinton na xtyphsei sto Afganistan kai sto Soydan stoxoys einai entos twn dieqnwn nomimwn. Eipate oti perimenete mia enhmerwsh, ws Kybernhsh, apo thn Oyasigkton. Hrqe h enhmerwsh;

REPPAS: H qesh mas paramenei ayth poy eipa xqes. Den exoyme kati neotero gia to qema ayto.

BAREMENOS: Exete na peite kati gia thn apofash toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias oti den apaiteitai pleon orkos, alla h epiklhsh toy logoy timhs;

REPPAS: Den qa krinw mia apofash toy anwtatoy Dikasthrioy.

Sas eyxaristw poly!

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