Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-07-07

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 7 Ioylioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Eisagwgikws mporw na sas pw oti ayth thn wra den exoyme pleon problhmata me tis pyrkagies.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epimenei h Kybernhsh oti yphrje syntonismos twn yphresiwn stis pyrkagies; Epimenei sto syntonismo meta ta 200 kai pleon spitia poy kahkan kai oxi ta 40 poy legate xqes;

REPPAS: Xairomai gia thn erwthsh giati moy dinete thn eykairia na sxoliasw kai shmerina dhmosieymata. Metajy twn allwn, loipon, eipa xqes kai hmoyn para poly sygkekrimenos -anaferomai stis selides 6 kai 7 ths xqesinhs politikhs enhmerwshs- oti "eixame prospaqeia olwn twn forewn, toy synoloy toy kratikoy mhxanismoy, me th bohqeia twn eqelontwn politwn, h opoia apedwse karpoys. Katorqwsame na tiqaseysoyme ayto to fainomeno. Ayto einai mia epityxia thn opoia den prepei na paragnwrisoyme". Eida na sxoliazetai me poly eirwniko tropo h epishmansh poy ekana. Malista o k. Stamatopoylos sthn efhmerida toy, shmera, leei oti "epeita apo ola ayta to mono poy mporoyme na poyme einai oti to qrasos perisseyei. Dyo nekroi, perissotera apo 200 spitia kamena, agrotikes epixeirhseis staxth, opws kai ekatontades aigoprobata. Xaqhkan oi perioysies toy kosmakh kai soy lene oti ola leitoyrghsan teleia. Ntroph toys". Einai h erwthsh thn opoia epanalambanete shmera proforika, kyrie Stamatopoyle. Oi apanthseis poy edwsa xqes, omws, sas dinoyn to dikaiwma na bgalete opoiodhpote allo symperasma ektos toy oti ola leitoyrghsan teleia. Prwton, eipa oti htan perissotero apo ikanopoihtikh, throymenwn twn analogiwn, h drash twn armodiwn yphresiwn kai o syntonismos toys. Deyteron, eipa kai lypoymai poy den anaferetai ayto stis apanthseis moy poy dhmosieyontai shmera, metajy twn allwn -sto shmeio ayto poy kobete th dikh moy apanthsh poy dhmosieyete- oti "ayto einai mia epityxia thn opoia den prepei na paragnwrizoyme, para to oti bebaiws ayto to opoio panta proexei, giati ayto epikratei, einai h lyph mas kai h stenoxwria mas. Giati eixame apwleia zwwn, eixame katastrofes sto dasiko ployto ths xwras, eixame zhmies se perioysiaka stoixeia sympolitwn mas. Ayto den mporei na to agnohsei kaneis". Ayto, loipon, den dhmosieyetai. Kai paroysiazomaste emeis analghtoi, adiaforoi dhqen gia th zhmia thn opoia ypesthsan sympolites mas h o eqnikos dasikos ploytos. Emfanizomaste peripoy na qriambologoyme kai na panhgyrizoyme. Pragma to opoio den synebh kai to gnwrizete poly kala. Kai qa hqela kai ayth h perikoph ths apanthshs moy na dhmosieyqei. Giati edw blepw -prepei na sas pw- mia prospaqeia paroysiashs twn pragmatwn poy den exei sxesh me thn alhqeia. Apo ayta ta opoia lew egw, para polles fores, diapistwnw oti dhmosieyetai ena mikro meros kai apo to ypoloipo pairnete thn eykairia na anaptyjete ena diko sas syllogismo me tetoio tropo, wste na ton strecete enantion ths prwths perikophs ths apanthshs moy, dinontas thn entypwsh oti egw eipa orismena pragmata -afoy den dhmosieyontai ola osa eipa- kai me to skeptiko to opoio anaptyssete meta, san diko sas skeptiko, enw einai skeptiko poy prokyptei apo thn epomenh perikoph ths dikhs moy apanthshs, apantate sthn prwth apanthsh poy moy apodidete. Epishs, k. Stamatopoyle, den eida toso megalo endiaferon sto entypo sas gia ta stoixeia, oson afora tis proslhceis sth DEH. Den dhmosieyetai tipota sxetiko apo ta stoixeia poy sas edwsa xqes kai ta opoia eseis o idios moy zhthsate.

KIAOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sas parakalw, gia ta prohgoymena poy eipate, kante ta pio sygkekrimena. Peite ston tade, ston tade, giati ayth th stigmh mas exete san maqhtes apo katw na sas parakoloyqoyme.

REPPAS: Ekana sygkekrimenh anafora kai brhka thn aformh me bash thn erwthsh poy dexqhka apo ton k. Stamatopoylo.

KIAOS: Peite sygkekrimena: Efhmeris tade, selis tade, den moy aresei ayto. Sto tade kanali den moy aresei ekeino. Oxi na eimaste san maqhtes kai parakoloyqoyme maqhmata. Pros qeoy.

REPPAS: Eseis den eiste maqhtes. Eiste s` ayton to xwro poly prin apo mena kai qa eiste s` ayto to xwro kai meta apo mena. Synhqws oi daskaloi einai monimoteroi kai oi maqhtes parerxontai. Edw pera oi monimoteroi eiste eseis. Pote den eixa ayth thn entypwsh oti eiste maqhtes. Ara, k. Stamatopoyle, den yparxei apo thn pleyra mas o, tidhpote, to opoio na sas dinei to dikaiwma na mas kathgorhsete pws eimaste ektos pragmatikothtas, oti den anagnwrizoyme ta problhmata ta opoia dhmioyrghqhkan, oti den exoyme epignwsh twn dyskoliwn. Alla qa moy epitrecete na pw kai na epanalabw oti pragmati leitoyrghse apodotika o kratikos mhxanismos kai oti h antimetwpish aytoy toy fainomenoy, throymenwn malista twn analogiwn, htan apotelesmatikh. Anefera paradeigmata allwn xwrwn -ta opoia sas einai gnwsta, den ta epanalambanw- kai sas parepemca s` ayta, prokeimenoy ki eseis na antilhfqeite poio htan to megeqos ths krishs poy dhmioyrghqhke me tis polles pyrkagies kai thn entash poy eixan, oso kai th diaspora toys kai poio htan to megeqos ths dyskolias toy egxeirhmatos gia na tis antimetwpisoyme kai na tis sbhsoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qewreite epityxia ayto to opoio egine; Giati to eipate kai pali shmera: "Ayth einai mia epityxia". Poia einai h epityxia;

REPPAS: H epityxia synistatai sto oti, se mikro sxetika xroniko diasthma, katorqwsame na tiqaseysoyme ena fainomeno, poy eixe parei toso megalh ektash. Throymenwn twn analogiwn, pragmati mporei na pei kapoios oti htan epityxhs h antimetwpish twn ektaktwn aytwn krisimwn synqhkwn. Poly perissotero, an labei ypoch toy th dieqnh empeiria.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Na sas pw kai kati allo, na deite th selida oktw ths efhmeridas.

REPPAS: Se allh efhmerida, sthn efhmerida "Adesmeytos" poy ekdidei o k. Mhtshs, to qema twn proslhcewn jerete pws anaferetai; "Reppas: Mono 2.346 proslhceis sth DEH!". Kai anaferetai stis proslhceis poy eginan apo to 1994 kai meta. Kai me paroysiazei peripoy san na panhgyrizw, giati eginan mono 2.500 proslhceis kai oxi parapanw. Kai paraleipei na anaferei tis 8.000 kai pleon proslhceis poy eginan mesa se liges meres prin apo tis ekloges toy 1993. Kamia anafora. Ma, einai enhmerwsh ayth; Lypoymai para poly, milame gia to dhmosiografiko leitoyrghma, leitoyrghma epanalambanw, oxi epaggelma. Antilambanomai pws o antagwnismos odhgei polles fores sto na yperbaloyme thn pragmatikothta. Oxi, omws, kai na jepernoyme kapoio orio. Zhtw syggnwmh poy kanw ayth th mikrh anafora. Epishs, thn Kyriakh kapoia allh efhmerida egrace "Oi ponhries toy Reppa", epeidh den anefera ta stoixeia gia th DEH. Ma, einai dynaton na exw, ana pasa stigmh, otan me rwtate, opoiadhpote stoixeia sth diaqesh moy gia na sas ta dwsw; Sas eipa oti qa ta proskomisw. Kai ta efera. Ayto einai ponhria, epeidh den eixa th dynatothta na apanthsw thn Paraskeyh; Thn Paraskeyh anaferqhka se ena stoixeio mias orismenhs periodoy poy htan entypwsiako, gi ayto to anefera. Toses xiliades proslhceis mesa se liges hmeres, den einai entypwsiako stoixeio; Gi ayto to anefera. Moy zhtate ola ta stoixeia kai otan sas ta dinw ta agnoeite kai den ta dhmosieyete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ki emeis exoyme dikaiwma na xrhsimopoihsoyme opoia stoixeia qeloyme. Den mporoyme na grafoyme olo to briefing, opws qelete eseis.

REPPAS: Asfalws, oxi. Alla...

STAMATOPOYLOS: O, ti qeloyme qa baloyme.

REPPAS: Ayto einai perissotero apo bebaio. Qa htan apo meroys sas megalh prosfora sthn enhmerwsh twn politwn -giati gia thn enhmerwsh twn politwn ergazeste, den yparxei antilogos s' ayto- an sthn prometwpida, mazi me ton titlo ths efhmeridas, bazate "O, ti qeloyme dhmosieyoyme". An to kanate, loipon, ayto, etsi opws to lete kai to dexeste, ws dogma kai arxh, wste na to gnwrizoyn pera apo esas -egw to gnwrizw pleon- kai oi polites, qa prosferate megalh yphresia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai eseis o, ti qelete lete.

REPPAS: Yparxei megalh diafora, giati eseis den eiste politikh ejoysia, eiste Meso Enhmerwshs. Egw ws politikos ekfrazw tis apoceis moy. Paroysiazw thn kybernhtikh ekdoxh gia ta koinwnika kai politika fainomena. Eseis, prokeimenoy na prosferete antikeimenikh enhmerwsh, qa prepei na paroysiasete oles tis ekdoxes, wste o poliths, exontas ayth thn plhrh enhmerwsh, na kanei tis epiloges toy. Den mporeite na paroysiazete parapoihmena ta stoixeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oyte ki eseis mporeite na kalyptete synexeia thn Kybernhsh.

REPPAS: Kanete ena laqos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den kanw kanena laqos.

REPPAS: Ma, den eiste kommata eseis. Emeis exoyme mia apoch, h opoia gia ola ta qemata antikatoptrizei thn politikh mas, tis epiloges kai tis arxes mas.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite, k. Ypoyrge, ayto poy kanoyme einai politikh enhmerwsh;

REPPAS: Asfalws den einai kai den eyqynomai egw gi ayto.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: An exete proswpiko problhma me kapoia efhmerida...

REPPAS: Kanena proswpiko problhma den exw me kamia efhmerida. Den exw kanena proswpiko problhma me kanenan, apolytws. Ayto prepei na einai safes. Kaqe allo. Alla, kalo einai, omws, apo kairo se kairo, ayta na ta tonizoyme, giati nomizw oti oloi exoyme to idio endiaferon na bohqhsoyme sthn enhmerwsh twn politwn. Gi ayto den syzhtoyme; Gia na enhmerwnetai o poliths; Arxizoyme, loipon, thn politikh enhmerwsh.

BITSENTZOY: Mhpws qa mporoysate na mas enhmerwsete me poia aformh kai pws egine etsi jafnika kai epedwsan epishma diabhma oi Toyrkoi gia thn apostratikopoihsh twn nhsiwn toy Aigaioy ston presbh mas sthn Agkyra k. Nezerith; Pws egine ayto etsi jafnika;

REPPAS: Pragmati, xqes, estalh ston Ellhna presbh sthn Agkyra rhmatikh diakoinwsh ths Toyrkias, me thn opoia h geitonikh xwra qetei qema apostratikopoihshs twn nhsiwn toy Anatolikoy Aigaioy. Yposthrizei pws h prajh ayth, sthn opoia exei probei h Ellada me to na egkatasthsei tmhmata twn Enoplwn Dynamewn ths sta nhsia toy Aigaioy, apotelei parabiash twn Synqhkwn kai parabash twn Kanonwn toy Dikaioy poy diepei to kaqestws sthn perioxh. Den yphrxe opoiosdhpote logos. Oi isxyrismoi ths Toyrkias einai istorika aparadektoi kai nomika asthriktoi. Kaqe xwra - anaferetai allwste kai sto Xarth toy OHE- exei to dikaiwma na organwsei thn amyna ths kata ton kalytero tropo. Poly perissotero, meta tis synqhkes poy diamorfwnontai sthn perioxh, me thn idrysh apo thn Toyrkia ths 4hs Stratias, ths epilegomenhs Stratias toy Aigaioy, me th dhmioyrgia enos stoloy 200 kai pleon apobatikwn ploiwn, me th synexizomenh katoxh sthn Kypro, me thn politikh poy askei h Toyrkia se baros ths Elladas kai me tis epiqetikes kai proklhtikes dhlwseis twn Toyrkwn Ajiwmatoyxwn. Den einai dynato, loipon, enocei olwn aytwn na parameinoyme adiaforoi kai na mhn organwsoyme, kata ton kalytero kai apotelesmatikotero tropo, thn amyna mas. Pisteyoyme oti h Toyrkia me th stash ths ayth dynamitizei, gia mia akomh fora, thn prospaqeia poy kataballetai gia thn ektonwsh ths entashs stis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn. Den threi tis desmeyseis poy exei analabei, teleytaia, sto plaisio -to opoio synomologhse- ths Diakhryjhs ths Madriths gia symbolh sth dhmioyrgia synqhkwn kalhs geitonias. Ayth einai mia ejelijh, h opoia prosferei arnhtikh yphresia sthn eirhnh kai th staqerothta sthn perioxh. Pisteyoyme oti h Toyrkia, h opoia xwris opoiodhpote logo kai aformh proebh se ayto to diabhma, qa antilhfqei oti den einai aytos o kalyteros tropos gia na anadeijei ta qemata poy qewrei oti yparxoyn. H Toyrkia exei, kat' epanalhch, klhqei na symbalei, wste na antimetwpistei kai na lyqei to qema ths yfalokrhpidas, to opoio yparxei ws ekkremothta, alla den antidra. Den symballei sthn antimetwpish kai lysh aytoy toy problhmatos. Antiqetws, anakalyptei kai dhmioyrgei nea qemata ekei poy den yparxoyn. Ayto, loipon, thn epibarynei akomh perissotero kai nomizw oti peran toy oti skiazei tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis, ekqetei akomh perissotero thn idia.

BITSENTZOY: Gnwrizete an exei steilei antistoixh epistolh sto Symboylio Asfaleias; An kanei mia synolikoterh energeia, thn opoia endexomenws syndeei kai me toys pyrayloys S-300 sthn Kypro h einai entelws ena jekommeno peristatiko poy den exei kai kamia ermhneia;

REPPAS: Ej oswn gnwrizoyme, den ginetai opoiadhpote syndesh me thn promhqeia twn pyraylwn S-300 sthn Kypro, oyte gnwrizoyme an exei sto plaisio ayths ths prwtoboylias anaferqei kai se alloys Dieqneis Organismoys kai foreis.

BITSENTZOY: Jerete an pros ta telh Ioylioy qa paei o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas k. Tsoxatzopoylos sthn Kypro;

REPPAS: Den exei oristei sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos einai endexomeno, thn epomenh periodo, na episkefqei thn Kypro. Den exoyme sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia.

KIAOS: H diakoinwsh ths Toyrkias anaferotan se ola ta nhsia toy Aigaioy;

REPPAS: Anaferetai sta nhsia toy Anatolikoy Aigaioy. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti se mia periptwsh malista, oson afora to kaqestws sta Dwdekanhsa, ta opoia paraxwrhqhkan sthn Ellada apo thn Italia, h Toyrkia den einai symballomeno meros. Den eixe opoiadhpote emplokh. Ta eixe pro polloy paraxwrhsei-ekxwrhsei sthn Italia. Ayto deixnei, kai gi ayto akribws to anaferw, ton aneyqyno tropo, me ton opoio xeirizetai ayta ta shmantika qemata h Toyrkia.

KIAOS: Qa hqela na mas peite akomh ean o k. Nezeriths apanthse h an me allh diadikasia to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn qa apanthsei kai pws kai ti;

REPPAS: To ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn meleta to keimeno ayths ths rhmatikhs diakoinwshs. Qa probei se analoges prajeis. Qa ekdoqei kai epishmh anakoinwsh, opoy qa anaferontai se aythn oi qeseis ths ellhnikhs ejwterikhs politikhs gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma.

KIAOS: Entos ths hmeras;

REPPAS: H anakoinwsh qa ekdoqei entos ths hmeras. Afoy oloklhrwqei h meleth ths rhmatikhs diakoinwshs kai ejetastei apo toys armodioys paragontes toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, poios einai o prosforoteros tropos, qa antidrasei h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh.

Eyxaristw poly.

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