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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 3 Ioylioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase to prwi to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Syzhthsame gia to synolo ths energeiakhs politikhs. Mas apasxolhse idiaitera to prosxedio nomoy, to opoio exei arxisei kai ekponei to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs, gia thn apeleyqerwsh ths agoras energeias sth xwra mas. Qa prepei, mexri tis 19 Febroyarioy 2001, na enarmonistoyme -symfwna me to arqro poy problepei h sxetikh koinotikh odhgia- me to Koinotiko Dikaio. Gi ayto, loipon, qa proxwrhsoyme stis aparaithtes allages. Poly perissotero poy, enocei toy antagwnismoy poy parathreitai dieqnws, qa prepei na dhmioyrghsoyme kai sthn Ellada tis proypoqeseis kai toys oroys gia ton ygih antagwnismo metajy twn forewn poy endiaferontai, na analaboyn epixeirhmatikes drasthriothtes, ston tomea ths paragwghs hlektrikhs energeias, tomea o opoios qa apeleyqerwqei. H ryqmish ayth lambanei ypoch ths tis idiaiterothtes ths xwras mas, logw ths -gia polla xronia- monopwliakhs katastashs poy exei dhmioyrghqei me th leitoyrgia ths DEH. Qelw na sas pw oti h DEH diathrei -kai meta tis allages poy proteinoyme- ton kaqetopoihmeno xarakthra ths. Ston tomea, dhladh, ths paragwghs, ths metaforas kai ths dianomhs hlektrikhs energeias, h DEH paramenei me isxyrh paroysia. Proteinetai h idrysh mias dioikhtikhs arxhs -ths ryqmistikhs arxhs hlektrismoy- poy qa gnwmodotei gia tis adeies, qa parakoloyqei thn agora kai, parallhla, mazi me to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs, qa exei stoxo na elegxei, wste: Na diasfalizetai ygihs antagwnismos. Na prostateyetai to periballon. Na ikanopoieitai to synolo twn anagkwn aytwn poy zhtoyn hlektrikh energeia. Na proagetai h xrhsh apodotikwn kai oikonomikwn meqodwn sthn paragwgh, thn promhqeia, th metafora kai th dianomh hlektrikhs energeias. Na prostateyetai to koino apo diaforoys kindynoys ston tomea ayto. Kai, bebaiws, na prostateyetai to synolo twn katanalwtwn, oson afora thn poiothta kai thn timh twn prosferomenwn yphresiwn kai proiontwn.

H syzhthsh htan analytikh. Qewroyme pws h diarqrwtikh allagh sthn opoia proxwroyme einai h megalyterh apo oles tis allages, tis opoies, mexri twra, exei epityxei h Kybernhsh. Epanalambanw oti qa ginei ejantlhtikos dialogos me toys ergazomenoys sth DEH, prokeimenoy, na labei th morfh sxedioy nomoy, thn katallhlh xronikh stigmh, h protash ayth ths Kybernhshs. Yparxoyn qemata ta opoia prepei na antimetwpistoyn, opws einai to asfalistiko, to opoio einai ena megalo zhthma poy apasxolei th DEH kai toys ergazomenoys se aythn. Qa yparjei lysh sto asfalistiko problhma kai meta qa prowqhqei h kataqesh toy sxetikoy nomosxedioy. Oi prowqoymenes allages, pera apo to oti antapokrinontai se mia koinotikh odhgia, stoxeyoyn sthn anaptyjh ths agoras energeias sth xwra mas, me gnwmona to symferon toy koinwnikoy synoloy. H protash mas epidiwkei -giati to epiqymoyme kai qa to diasfalisoyme- thn asfaleia twn ergazomenwn sth DEH shmera, enocei twn allagwn, oi opoies eperxontai.

Syzhthsame, peran toy prosxedioy aytoy, genikotera qemata energeiakhs politikhs, gia tis ananewsimes phges energeias, gia to fysiko aerio kai, fysika, gia to petrelaio. Parallhla, enhmerwqhkame gia tis mikres diakopes reymatos, poy eixame tis teleytaies hmeres. Sas enhmerwnw oti ayto poy apotelei zhtoymeno, h dhmioyrgia ths triths grammhs gia thn metafora hlektrikhs energeias me toys pylwnes sthn perioxh Kryonerioy, einai ek twn wn oyk aney, prokeimenoy na apokthsei plhrh eystaqeia to systhma energeias sth xwra mas. To eipame otan eixame tis diakopes, to black out, ton perasmeno Martio, logw ths entonhs kakokairias. H periballontikh meleth poy eixe zhthqei apo th DEH exei ypoblhqei edw kai arketo kairo. Exei diabibastei apo tis 14 Aprilioy -entos mhnos apo tote poy eixame ta symbanta ekeina- sto YPEXWDE, to opoio thn prowqhse amellhti sto Nomarxiako Symboylio Anatolikhs Attikhs. To Nomarxiako Symboylio Anatolikhs Attikhs qa prepei, entos 60 hmerwn na ekfrasei gnwmh gia th meleth ayth. Pisteyoyme oti h oloklhrwsh ayths ths diadikasias qa bohqhsei, wste me thn Trith Grammh toy Kryonerioy, na mporoyme na antimetwpizoyme aytes tis ektaktes synqhkes xwris kindynoys diakophs ths paroxhs hlektrikoy reymatos.

Sas anaferw aplws ena stoixeio to opoio einai entypwsiako: Oti mesa se mia hmera h katanalwsh hlektrikhs energeias ayjhqhke apo 6500 MW se 7340 MW. H diafora ayth antistoixei se energeia thn opoia mporoyn na paragoyn treis monades isodynames ayths ths Flwrinas, gia thn opoia exoyme milhsei kat' epanalhch. Eixame, dhladh, mia prwtofanh, mia poly megalh katanalwsh hlektrikhs energeias poy jeperase kaqe prohgoymeno kai gi ayto eixame tis mikres diakopes.

Epitrecte moy na kanw mia mikrh dhlwsh, gia to qema ths syndromhtikhs thleorashs: Epeidh anagrafontai diafora ston Typo prepei na einai safes toyto: To qema ayto, to opoio mas apasxolhse kata thn teleytaia periodo, h Kybernhsh to xeirizetai me para poly megalh eyqynh. Egw, meta thn apofash gia to plaisio ths politikhs mas poy elabe h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, paroysiasthka sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs kai aneptyja, epi diwro, tis qeseis mas. Gia to idio qema, milhse kai o Prwqypoyrgos sto plaisio ths "wras toy Prwqypoyrgoy" sth Boylh. Eixame analabei thn ypoxrewsh na diatypwsoyme mia protash. To nomosxedio to opoio paroysiasa apotelei ayth thn protash. Den einai tipote allo para to apotelesma ths ergasias mas, thn opoia kaloyme na krinoyn ta Kommata, oi alloi foreis kai to ERS. Kai me tis parathrhseis toys na symbaloyn -opws lew xarakthristika sthn epistolh poy toys apesteila, mazi me to keimeno ayto- sth beltiwsh toy keimenoy aytoy, prokeimenoy to nomosxedio na katateqei sth Boylh me thn pio artia morfh toy. Epeidh diatypwnetai ena parapono kai mia kritikh oti den enhmerwqhkan oi alloi foreis, qelw na pw oti ekplhssomai apo aythn thn kritikh. Einai dynaton, ayto to opoio apotelei ypoxrewsh ths Kybernhshs na to epejergastei kai na to paroysiasei san qesh ths, na to anaqesei se boyleytes allwn kommatwn h se koinoboyleytika organa h se mia anejarthth arxh; Qa katelye kai thn aytonomia ths anejarthths arxhs se mia tetoia periptwsh. Oloi oi foreis, epeidh gnwrizan to plaisio ths politikhs mas, eixan thn xronikh anesh na diatypwsoyn th dikh toys protash, to diko toys sxedio. Mporoysan na to kanoyn. Twra poy exoyn th dikh mas protash, mporoyn epi ths protasews ayths na diatypwsoyn tis parathrhseis toys, oi opoies qa lhfqoyn ypoch, prokeimenoy h dikh mas nomoqetikh prwtoboylia na enswmatwsei sto metro toy dynatoy oles ekeines tis parathrhseis poy qa qewrhsoyme oti einai qetikes kai prepei na lhfqoyn ypoch. Den dikaiologeitai, loipon, ayth h kritikh. Pisteyw oti h ypodoxh poy epifylaxqhke se ayto to nomosxedio einai perissotero apo ikanopoihtikh, pragma to opoio deixnei pws mporoyme, me tropo synainetiko, me symfwnia, na proxwrhsoyme sth syzhthsh kai sthn chfish toy sth Boylh, otan erqei h wra. Pantws -gi ayto kanw th dhlwsh- den synhqizetai mia Kybernhsh poy paroysiazei th qesh ths kai qetei th qesh ayth se dialogo me toys alloys foreis, na kathgoreitai epeidh proxwrhse sth diatypwsh ths dikhs ths qeshs xwris na rwthsei ta alla kommata h toys alloys foreis. Twra einai h wra na diatypwsoyn ta alla kommata kai oi alloi foreis thn apoch toys. Kaqenas exei thn aytonomia toy, exei to pedio armodiothtwn toy, to opoio kai prepei na ajiopoiei, eite einai politiko komma, eite koinwnikos foreas, eite anejarthth arxh opws to ERS. Den qa eprepe na yparxei sygxysh. As mhn ta mplekoyme ola ayta. Perimenw tis apoceis olwn ekeinwn, oi opoioi exoyn logo gia to sygkekrimeno qema, prokeimenoy h prwtoboylia mas na einai h kalyterh dynath.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KAMPOYRAKHS: Gia poion htan ayto poy eipate twra ke Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Kapoia shmerina dhmosieymata den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia. To gnwrizw giati epikoinwnhsa me kapoioys poy anaferontai sta dhmosieymata ayta. Paroysiazetai, fer` eipein, o k. Xythrhs, me fwtografia toy, se mia efhmerida, me titlo "boles ek twn esw", enw o k. Xythrhs de dhlwse tipota sxetiko. H Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs, enhmerwqhke leptomerestata, qa elega, gi` ayto to qema. Kai twra, to Symboylio Radiothleorashs (ESR) exei to nomosxedio. P. x. o Synaspismos mas kathgorei oti diatypwsame ayto to keimeno, "sta adyta toy Ypoyrgeioy Typoy". Oi Kybernhseis exoyn organa, exoyn eswterikes diadikasies, mesw twn opoiwn katalhgoyn se apoceis. Dinoyme sth dhmosiothta thn apoch mas kai kalesame oloys toys alloys na poyn thn apoch toys, na diatypwsoyn parathrhseis, prokeimenoy na tis laboyme ypoch mas. Ayth einai h diadikasia poy akoloyqeitai. Ekplhttomai giati kapoioi mas kathgoroyn gia to oti proxwrhsame sth dhmosiopoihsh ths apochs mas, xwris thn apoch mas ayth na thn ekponhsoyme afoy synergastoyme prwta mazi toys. Th dikh mas apoch;

PAPPA: An oi plhrofories moy einai swstes, egine mia pio dieyrhmenh syzhthsh, oson afora to Asfalistiko. Qa mporoysate, isws, na mas proideasete, giati mas eipan -dhladh- oti topoqethqhkan polla melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. To ena erwthma einai ayto kai deytero, an yphrje kapoia diastash apocewn metajy ths kas Papandreoy kai toy k. Berelh gia to fysiko aerio;

REPPAS: Qa sas enhmerwsw. Den yphrje kamia diastash apocewn gia opoiodhpote qema. Oson afora to qema toy fysikoy aerioy h ka Papandreoy eipe oti ena apo ta qemata poy prepei na antimetwpisoyme einai h monoshmanth ejarthsh ths xwras mas, ston tomea toy fysikoy aerioy, apo th Rwsia. Einai ena qema poy mas apasxolei, ws Kybernhsh, gia na antimetwpisoyme to energeiako problhma. O k. Berelhs eipe oti peran ths Rwsias promhqeyths mas einai kai h Algeria, alla ayth h promhqeia einai se poly mikres posothtes. Den krinetai -opws eipwqhke kai apo alloys meta- oti h Algeria einai promhqeyths, afoy h ejarthsh apo th Rwsia einai se pososto poy jeperna to 75-80%. Ara, paramenei zhtoymeno h synergasia me enan akomh promhqeyth fysikoy aerioy sth xwra mas. Alloi ton qeloyn deytero, mia kai de qewroyn oti h Algeria mporei na onomastei promhqeyths, logw ths poly mikrhs posothtas poy mas dioxeteyei, alloi -an qewrhsoyme oti einai h Algeria deyteros promhqeyths- qewroyn oti prepei na broyme enan trito, s` ayth thn periptwsh, wste na yparxei mia isorropia stis phges promhqeias fysikoy aerioy sth xwra mas. Ayto einai to qema. Ayth htan, dhladh, h diatypwsh twn apocewn poy edwse, isws, thn entypwsh mias diaforopoihshs. Den yparxei kamia diaforopoihsh. Oson afora to Asfalistiko, eipwqhke -kai den einai h prwth fora- oti to zhthma ayto einai ena poly megalo problhma sthn patrida mas. Oti sxedon se oles tis allages, tis opoies meletoyme kai epixeiroyme na prowqhsoyme, synantoyme problhmata ston asfalistiko tomea. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, logw twn idiaiterothtwn poy yparxoyn edw kai para polla xronia sth DEH -opoy opws eipwqhke den yparxei Tameio, einai o ergodoths, h idia h DEH, ston opoio einai asfalismenoi oi ergazomenoi- prepei to Asfalistiko zhthma na to proseggizoyme me megalh fantasia. Giati einai poly megalos o ariqmos twn ergazomenwn sth DEH. Egine kai gi` ayto to qema anafora. Exei perissoteroys apo 33.000 ergazomenoys h DEH shmera. Peripoy 11.000 dioristhkan thn trietia '90-'93. Dioikhtikoi ypallhloi, xwris idiaitera prosonta, poy den einai ajiopoihsimoi apo th DEH kai -an qelete- dhmioyrgoyn problhmata s` enan Organismo, o opoios qa prepei na exei megalh eyelijia kai na einai antagwnistikos. Eipwqhke, loipon, gia na kleisw ayth thn parenqesh, oti to Asfalistiko zhthma, to opoio meletatai, qa antimetwpistei kai kalyfqei, prin proxwrhsoyme se opoiadhpote allagh ston tomea ayto ths apeleyqerwshs ths agoras energeias. Ayth htan h koinh qesh olwn, einai h synistamenh ths politikhs mas, h allagh na ginei me dedomenh thn asfaleia twn ergazomenwn. To Asfalistiko zhthma qa antimetwpistei kai qa lyqei taytoxrona h kai prin analaboyme thn telikh nomoqetikh prwtoboylia gia to qema ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gi` ayto to teleytaio poy eipate: Posoi dioristhkan prin apo to '90 kai posoi meta; Mhpws mporeite na mas dwsete ta stoixeia;

REPPAS: Ta stoixeia einai sth diaqesh sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dwste ta, apanthste moy.

REPPAS: Asfalws. Den ta exw proxeira ayth thn wra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws eixate ta alla kai den exete ayta;

REPPAS: Poly eykolo na sas apanthsw: Giati eipwqhke ayto to xarakthristiko stoixeio kai o ariqmos aytos einai afysika megalos, poly perissotero, otan gnwrizoyme oloi oti arketes xiliades dioristhkan liges hmeres prin apo tis ekloges toy '93. Kyriolektw, legontas pws liges hmeres prin apo tis ekloges toy '93 eginan aqroes proslhceis ypallhlwn ths DEH. Gnwrizete poio einai to qema poy proekyce tote. En pash periptwsei einai ena qema to opoio mas apasxolei. Qa prepei mesw twn diadikasiwn metatajhs h katartishs na epidiwxqei h ajiopoihsh twn ypallhlwn. Alliws se sxesh me thn epixeirhmatikh drasthriothta ths DEH, o ogkos twn ergazomenwn, twn apasxoloymenwn s` ayth einai para poly megalos. Ayto eipwqhke.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa mas ta dwsete ayta ta stoixeia...

REPPAS: Ma einai to mono eykolo. Mporei na ta exete apo to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mia erwthsh gia prohgoymeno qema. Eipate oti enhmerwqhkan oi pantes. Otan enhmerwnate thn Epitroph Diafaneias o k. Kachs apoysiaze;

REPPAS: O k. Kachs einai Proedros ths Epitrophs Diafaneias kai ej oswn gnwrizw h Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias, oses fores synedriase, synedriase ypo thn proedria toy k. Kach.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan toys enhmerwnate den htan mesa; Giati ekane kapoies dhlwseis gia thn chfiakh, gi` ayto sas to lew.

REPPAS: Apanthsa synolika se dhmosieymata, sxolia, dhlwseis, topoqethseis, poy eginan me aformh to qema ayto kai nomizw oti h apanthsh moy einai plhrhs kai diafwtistikh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati eipate oti den mporeite na to qetete ypoch boyleytwn allwn kommatwn. O k. Kachs einai boyleyths toy kommatos sas.

REPPAS: Exoyme eswterikes diadikasies toy kommatos, stis opoies symmetexoyn oi boyleytes toy. Edw miloyme gia thn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs. Fantazomai oti milhsan, o k. Kachs, o k. Paylopoylos, o k. Kefalogiannhs -etsi toylaxiston plhroforoyme apo ta dhmosieymata- ws melh ths Epitrophs Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi alloi einai Antipoliteysh.

REPPAS: Oxi. Me sygxwreite: Otan milhsa gia thn Antipoliteysh anaferomoyn sto Synaspismo, poy eida na ekdidei kapoia anakoinwsh, kathgorwntas mas oti "sta adyta toy Ypoyrgeioy" diatypwsame ayto to sxedio. De fantazomai oti yparxei allos tropos gia na diatypwnei mia Kybernhsh, ena komma, tis qeseis toy gia ena poly shmantiko zhthma san to sygkekrimeno.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ki ayto poy lene shmera -kai grafetai- oti periexei fwtografikes diatajeis to nomosxedio gia sygkekrimenoys kanalarxes, ti exete na peite;

REPPAS: Oxi, mono, den exei kamia fwtografikh diatajh, alla moy ekane entypwsh -isws ofeiletai se agnoia- to oti de diatypwqhkan apo kanenan diaforetikes qeseis, gia ta qemata ta opoia ryqmizoyme me thn protash mas ayth. Apo kanenan de diatypwqhkan diaforetikes qeseis. Kapoioi aforismoi ekfrasthkan, metajy twn opoiwn kai aytos poy epanalabate me thn erwthsh sas. Den eida, omws, na stoixeioqeteitai mia opoiadhpote tetoia kritikh topoqethsh. Kai ayto, qa elega oti einai ena kalo shmadi, giati epi ths oysias fainetai oti oi perissoteroi, an oxi oloi, symfwnoyn me thn protash mas.

MPOYRDARAS: To prosxedio nomoy toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs egkriqhke opws exei twra h h ka Papandreoy, ystera apo kapoies epishmanseis h parathrhseis allwn synadelfwn, anelabe na symperilabei orismenes apo aytes sto teliko sxedio nomoy;

REPPAS: Eixame syzhthsei ayto to qema kai palaiotera sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Eixame symfwnhsei sto plaisio ths politikhs. Eixe analabei h ka Papandreoy na paroysiasei mia plhrh protash, me bash ta osa, tote, eixame syzhthsei kai apofasisei. Symperielabe ayth thn protash ths se ena prosxedio, to opoio aneptyje shmera. Me bash ayto to prosxedio, to opoio paremeine opws to eishghqhke kai me to opoio oloi symfwnhsame, qa ginei ejantlhtikos dialogos me stoxo na diasfalistei kaqe dikaiwma twn ergazomenwn, afenos kai afeteroy na epiteyxqei h beltiwsh ths qeshs ths DEH sthn antagwnistikh agora ths hlektrikhs energeias. Kai bebaiws kai h xwra mas na apodeixqei synephs se mia ypoxrewsh poy exei enanti ths E. E. na enarmonisei to dikaio ths me to koinotiko dikaio.

MOYRTZHS: Otan h ka Papandreoy milhse gia monoshmanth ejarthsh ths xwras mas apo th Rwsia sto fysiko aerio, o Prwqypoyrgos topoqethqhke;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos, kleinontas th syzhthsh, eipe, metajy allwn, oti qa prepei na epidiwjoyme synergasia kai me allon promhqeyth gia na mhn exoyme ayth thn ejarthsh apo thn Rwsia. To epanelabe, dhladh, ki o idios.

MIXAHL: O Prwqypoyrgos, telika, ekane kapoia genikh parathrhsh gia thn katastash h gia thn poreia toy kybernhtikoy ergoy;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke sthn ypoxrewsh poy exoyme analabei oloi na parakoloyqoyme apo konta tis politikes diergasies se oloys toys nomoys ths xwras ayth thn periodo. Eipe, epishs, oti para polla dhmosieymata den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta kai anefere ena xarakthristiko paradeigma, gia na deijei oti orismenes fores exoyme eytrapela, opws ta xarakthrise, dhmosieymata. Anaferqhke sto paradeigma twn Nayphgeiwn Eleysinas gia ta opoia dhmosieyqhke oti den exoyn idiwtikopoihqei akomh, enw einai pasignwsto oti exoyn idiwtikopoihqei edw kai arketo kairo kai, malista, leitoyrgoyn poly apodotika. Eipe oti qa prepei na yparxei pantote mia amesh antidrash apo toys armodioys foreis, Ypoyrgeia h Organismoys, na dinontai apanthseis, wste na mh dhmioyrgoyntai ceydeis entypwseis. Giati teinei na dhmioyrghqei mia genikh sygxysh, otan o kaqenas me aneyqyno tropo, eite epeidh den gnwrizei, eite epeidh einai kakopistos, grafei kai leei pragmata ta opoia den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia.

MIXAHL: Allo qema, syzhthqhke ektos ta energeiaka;

REPPAS: Den syzhthqhke allo qema. O k. Pagkalos, mono, eishghqhke proagwges diplwmatwn.

MIXAHL: Tis egkrinate;

REPPAS: Egkriname omofwna oles tis protaseis, tis opoies ekane o k. Pagkalos. Qa exei endiaferon gia sas na pw oti peran twn diplwmatwn poy prohxqhsan apo plhrejoysioi A' se Presbeis h apo plhrejoysioi B' se plhrejoysioys A', h apofash poy labame na diorisqei, ws Presbeira ek proswpikothtwn, h ka Aggelopoyloy - Daskalakh. H k. Aggelopoyloy qa exei armodiothta epi qematwn dieqnoys aqlhtismoy kai dieqnwn dhmosiwn sxesewn ths Olympiadas toy 2004. Oi qeseis poy yparxoyn exoyn systaqei edw kai arketa xronia. Gia thn kathgoria ayth twn Presbewn einai pente. Me to diorismo ths kas Aggelopoyloy-Daskalakh exoyn kalyfqei oi treis. Oi alloi dyo einai o k. Basilikos sthn OYNESKO kai o k. Kwnstas sto Symboylio ths Eyrwphs. Ayto htan to allo qema sto opoio anaferqhke o k. Pagkalos, dhladh, yphresiaka qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy, ta opoia eprepe na tyxoyn ths egkrishs toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

PAPPA: Mhpws, o k. Pagkalos eqese me aixmhro tropo qemata kaqhmerinothtas, opws gia paradeigma, to qema twn teleytaiwn diakopwn paroxhs hlektrikoy reymatos; Dexeste oti einai ojymwro se meres kayswna to na synista na kleinoyn ta klimatistika;

REPPAS: Oxi, den eipe, na kleinoyn ta klimatistika. Isa-isa, twra perissotero para pote, prepei na leitoyrgoyn ta klimatistika. An ta klimatistika den leitoyrgoyn twra, pote qa leitoyrgoyn; Den eipe tetoio pragma o k. Pagkalos. O k. Pagkalos eipe oti otan syzhtoyme qemata strathgikhs ths energeiakhs politikhs mas den prepei na dinetai h entypwsh ston kosmo oti den antimetwpizoyme ta problhmata ths kaqhmerinothtas, san ayta poy proekycan, logw twn diakopwn toy hlektrikoy reymatos. Gi` ayto akribws prepei kai oi dhmosioi Organismoi kai oloi mas na eimaste para poly prosextikoi sthn antimetwpish twn kaqhmerinwn problhmatwn, prokeimenoy na syndeoyme thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn aytwn me thn prospaqeia poy kanoyme gia to mellon ths xwras. Me to strathgiko sxediasmo, dhladh, ths politikhs mas se kybernhtiko epipedo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ws Ypoyrgos Typoy, pws xarakthrizete thn energeia toy Ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs na shkwqei, xqes, to brady kai na fygei apo thn ekpomph enos kanalioy, otan emfanisthke to antipalo deos;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola o k. Giannopoylos einai ej ekeinwn poy den aisqanetai oti yparxei antipalo deos. Deyteron, o k. Giannopoylos, pisteyw oti eixe symfwnhsei toys oroys ths syzhthshs me to synadelfo sas. Kai o k. Giannopoylos, opws plhroforhqhka, giati den parakoloyqhsa thn ekpomph, proteine ston synadelfo sas, paroysiasth ths ekpomphs, na kalesei thn epomenh mera h kapoia allh stigmh to synadelfo kai na syzhthsei mazi toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mexri ekeinh thn wra ton k. Paylopoylo ton eixe perasei "genies dekatesseris". Dhladh, den qa bgei o anqrwpos na pei thn apoch toy, na yperaspisei ton eayto toy;

REPPAS: Asfalws. Einai ena qema, loipon, prokeimenoy na yparjei antikeimenikh enhmerwsh toy ellhnikoy laoy, na ejasfalisqei prosbash pros to koino kai ston k. Paylopoylo kai se opoion allon. Gnwrizete poly kala oti oloi -kai egw eimai metajy ekeinwn- dexontai kata kairoys diafores epiqeseis kai ta Mesa den deixnoyn to idio endiaferon na probaloyn kai tis dikes mas apoceis. Yparxei mia monomereia, h opoia kamia sxesh den exei me thn ypoxrewsh twn Meswn na antapokrinontai sthn epitagh toy Syntagmatos gia antikeimenikh kai polyfwnikh enhmerwsh. Ayto einai ena fainomeno. Parakalw h deontologia na threitai kai na eimaste akamptoi s` ayto, alla na eimaste pantote to idio eyaisqhtoi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto den to hqele kai o k. Giannopoylos.

REPPAS: O k. Giannopoylos dexqhke mia prosklhsh kai symfwnhse gia ton tropo me ton opoio qa ginei h syzhthsh. Den dexqhke th diakoph.

Eyxaristw poly. Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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