Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-07-02

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 2 Ioylioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Isxyei h xqesinh sas apanthsh oti prepei, to taxytero dynato, na peraiwqei h ereyna gia thn ypoqesh toy Eisaggelea sto Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs kai sthn periptwsh ths shmerinhs kontras (dikh moy h ekfrash( Giannopoyloy - Eisaggelewn;

REPPAS: Oi qeseis poy exoyme diatypwsei paramenoyn analloiwtes. Den yparxei opoiadhpote "kontra" h dienejh. Isa-isa aposafhnisthke shmera, me ton kalytero tropo, oti h ereyna ayth den afora thn politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs kai idiaitera ton Ypoyrgo. Proebh se dhlwseis o Proedros twn Eisaggelewn ths xwras. Nomizw oti ayto apotelei epibebaiwsh twn qesewn, poy liges meres prin, s` ayth thn aiqoysa, eixa labei ki egw, qesewn, dhladh, yper ths mh anamijhs ths politikhs hgesias toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs s` ayth thn ypoqesh. Einai mia panhgyrikh, qa elega, apodeijh oti h ereyna (h opoia einai se ejelijh kai epiqymoyme na oloklhrwqei, to syntomotero dynato( den exei opoiadhpote sxesh me thn hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs. Ayto eipwqhke shmera apo epishma xeilh.

MIXAHL: Gia thn Kybernhsh, tyxon paratypies poy qa prokycoyn apo thn eisaggelikh ereyna, synistoyn politikh eyqynh ths hgesias toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti ta problhmata ta opoia synistoyn taytoxrona kai prajeis ajiopoines, antimetwpizontai mesw ths dikastikhs odoy. Ta qemata ta opoia aforoyn thn apodosh politikwn eyqynwn, antimetwpizontai di` allhs odoy. Yparxoyn ta armodia kybernhtika organa, o Prwqypoyrgos panw ap` ola, poy epilambanetai twn qematwn aytwn. Alla qa prepei, gia na epilhfqoyn enos tetoioy qematos o Prwqypoyrgos kai h Kybernhsh, na yparxei to qema, na yparxei to antikeimeno. Kai tetoio qema, ayth thn wra, den yparxei.

MIXAHL: Sas rwthsa me dedomeno to ejhs...

REPPAS: Kanete mia ypoqesh...

MIXAHL: Paradexthke kai se dhlwseis toy arxika o k. Rwmaios, oti se orismenes periptwseis (kai epikalesthke th sygkekrimenh gia ton idio syllogistikh( yphrje h typikh yperbash toy nomoy. Pragma, to opoio exei symbei kai sto parelqon, den htan dhladh mono gi` ayto. Rwtw, loipon, meta apo ayto kai efoson pistopoihqei kati tetoio apo thn eisaggelikh ereyna, gia thn Kybernhsh yparxei qema politikwn eyqynwn toy Ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs;

REPPAS: Kyrie Mixahl, milhsa ki egw, liges meres prin, gia thn katastash poy exei dhmioyrghqei ta teleytaia xronia, symfwna me thn opoia oi Ypoyrgoi sto Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs ypografoyn tetoies adeies gia logoys poy exoyn enan koinwniko xarakthra. Ayth h katastash exei pagiwqei. Den amfisbhthqhke. Threitai kai shmera. Throymenwn twn analogiwn pantote prepei na deixnoyme eyaisqhsia se anqrwpoys h omades anqrwpwn poy exoyn anagkh th bohqeia mas. Pisteyw oti h ereyna h opoia diejagetai den mporei na agnohsei ki ayth thn parametro. Qa to labei ki ayto ypoch ths. Ara, den nomizw oti mporei na prosmetrhqei ws arnhtiko stoixeio h diapistwsh oti exoyn ypografei tetoioy eidoys apofaseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, kai palia eixan ypografei tetoies adeies kai polles, alla edw twra yphrxe timologio. Eixan kostologhqei 200 xiliades ews 1 ekatommyrio oi adeies paramonhs. Yparxoyn eggrafes kataggelies gi` ayta ta pragmata.

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, den prepei na biazeste. Opws liges hmeres prin epimenate na syndeete thn politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs me to problhma to opoio ereyna h Eisaggelikh Arxh, etsi kai shmera epimenete na ekdidete porisma gia thn "tarifa" poy lete oti yparxei gia thn ekdosh adeiwn paramonhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den th lew egw.

REPPAS: Oi kataggelies oi opoies diatypwnontai, ejetazontai. Qa prepei na ereynhqoyn oles oi kataggelies. Kaqe kataggelia, omws, den prepei na eklambanetai sa na einai telesidikh apofash toy Dikasthrioy, wste na ths prosdidoyme ena tetoio xarakthra apolyths alhqeias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den thn eipa egw, pantws, thn kataggelia. To balate oti to eipa egw.

REPPAS: Polles kataggelies diatypwnontai. Eseis, omws...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw rwtaw.

REPPAS:... prosxwreite eykola s` aytes tis kataggelies, wste na diatypwnete thn erwthsh sas kata tetoio tropo poy dinei thn entypwsh oti symfwneite me to periexomeno twn kataggeliwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dikh sas apoch.

REPPAS: Egw oyte symfwnw, oyte diafwnw. Einai antikeimeno ereynas oi kataggelies aytes. Opoioi asxoloyntai me tis kataggelies kai ereynoyn to qema, qa ekdwsoyn to porisma toys, to opoio qa sebastoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo poy bgalate to symperasma oti egw panta symfwnw me tis kataggelies;

REPPAS: Ma, den qymaste pws diatypwsate thn erwthsh sas;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipa oti exoyn ginei kataggelies gia "tarifa" apo 200 xiliades ews 1 ekatommyrio.

REPPAS: Den eipate ayto. Eipate oti "edw yparxei". Dwsate ena xarakthra bebaiothtas. Dexqhkate oti ayto symbainei. Kai dexqhkate oti symbainei, epeidh to kataggellei kapoios h kapoioi. Yparxei mia apostash anamesa sthn kataggelia kai sthn pragmatikothta.

KIAOS: Kai eseis kai alloi Ypoyrgoi ths Kybernhsews eixate xarakthrisei tis prwtes hmeres ton tropo, oti den htan komcos, alla eixate kai eseis pei oti eixan dikaiwma, htan mesa stis armodiothtes toys kai nomima enhrghsan k. lp. Ti allaje kai o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs milhse, xqes, gia paranomh energeia twn Antieisaggelewn;

REPPAS: Epanalambanw thn apanthsh poy edwsa sthn prohgoymenh erwthsh toy k. Mixahl. O Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs eipe oti an h ereyna ayth afora ton Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs, den prepei na ejelixqei me ayton ton tropo, me ayth th diadikasia. S' ayto to qema, loipon, edwse apanthsh o Proedros twn Eisaggelewn, legontas me safh tropo oti h ereyna ayth den afora ton Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs, giati tote qa eprepe na akoloyqhqei allh diadikasia. To oti o tropos, o opoios akoloyqhqhke, den htan, kata thn apoch mas, o kalyteros einai kati poy to eipame, to epanalambanoyme, alla to qema ayto exei kleisei. Den epanerxomaste s' ayto to qema. Shmasia exei, epi ths oysias pleon, na oloklhrwqei h ereyna kai na exoyme to syntomotero dynato thn telikh qesh twn organwn ths Dikaiosynhs.

KIAOS: Sygnwmh, den ennooysa ayth thn ereyna, gia ton Ypoyrgo. Ennooysa thn efodo, thn eisodo -opws qelete peite to- poy ekanan oi kyrioi Eisaggeleis sto Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajews. Ayth thn energeia thn eixate xarakthrisei, olh h Kybernhsh sas kai eseis kai oi Ypoyrgoi, apo th mia meria akomch, apo thn allh nomimh. Ayth thn energeia twra erxetai o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs kai thn xarakthrizei paranomh. Giati h allagh ayth;

REPPAS: O k. Giannopoylos eipe oti den yparxei yperkeimenh arxh, h opoia mporei me enan tetoio tropo, me mia efodo h eisbolh -opws grafthke- sa na prokeitai gia jeno, gia exqriko edafos, na eiserxetai se mia yphresia kai na apospa eggrafa ths yphresias ayths.

MPEQANH: Akribws gi ayto hqela na rwthsw, se sxesh kai me ton k. Dwrh, ton Antieisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy, giati kalyce plhrws toys eisaggeleis...

REPPAS: Oi eisaggeleis den exoyn anagkh kalychs apo opoiondhpote. Oi eisaggeleis einai sebastoi, o rolos toys einai poly idiaiteros kai apaitei eyaisqhsia apo oloys mas otan sxoliazoyme to ergo toys. Sebomaste, loipon, to ergo to opoio epiteloyn, den to krinoyme. Ayto to opoio, omws, prepei kaqe fora na einai safes, einai toyto: Oi kanones, oi opoioi yparxoyn, eite einai graptoi, eite einai mia deontologia poy exei epikrathsei, mas desmeyoyn oloys, oles tis Arxes kai oles tis leitoyrgies ths politeias mas.

PARIS: O k. Drys, se prosfates dhlwseis toy, eixe pei oti ean den doqei kapoia ikanopoihtikh prosfora gia thn Ionikh Trapeza den prokeitai na pwlhqei. Qa hqela na rwthsw, meta thn prosfora poy ekane o k. Latshs -aisiodojh prosfora 93 dis draxmwn- yparxei kapoio plafon poy exei h Kybernhsh yp' ocin ths, ws minimoym, gia thn pwlhsh ths Ionikhs;

REPPAS: To qema ths pwlhshs ths Ionikhs Trapezas einai qema, to opoio afora thn Emporikh Trapeza. H Emporikh Trapeza einai o pwlhths ths Ionikhs. Ayth, loipon, me ta organa ths qa ektimhsei kai qa apotimhsei tis prosfores. Analogws toy endiaferontos poy qa ekdhlwqei qa labei tis apofaseis ths.

PARIS: Pote anamenetai na oloklhrwqei, k. Ypoyrge, h diadikasia;

REPPAS: Mesa sta xronika oria ta opoia exoyme qesei. Antilambaneste pws gia logoys nomimothtas ths olhs diadikasias, prepei orismenes proqesmies na throyntai. Pisteyoyme, omws, oti h diadikasia ayth qa oloklhrwqei, opws akribws exoyme problecei.

GKOGKAS: Yparxei kapoio sxolio ths Kybernhshs gia tis xqesines apoceis poy ejefrase o prwhn Proedros ths Dhmokratias, o k. Sartzetakhs, oti "oi shmerinoi proyxontes toy PASOK exoyn katanthsei to Komma katagelasto skorpoxwri" opws leei;

REPPAS: Einai oi apoceis toy k. Sartzetakh. To PASOK einai h Kybernhsh ths xwras, edw kai para polla xronia. To PASOK exei timhsei ton k. Sartzetakh, anadeiknyontas ton sto ypato ajiwma ths xwras. Pisteyw oti to PASOK me th synepeia poy tote ekane ths epiloges toy, me thn idia synepeia stis nees synqhkes poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei pagkosmiws alla kai sthn Ellada, synexizei na kanei tis epiloges toy gia to kalo ths xwras kai toy ellhnikoy laoy.

MOSXOBAS: Qelw na rwthsw gia ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Xqes o boyleyths Trikalwn k. Oikonomoy, proteine na chfistei o k. Mhtsotakhs, enw o k. Skandalidhs, se synenteyjh toy afhnei na diafanei oti h protash qa einai yper toy k. Stefanopoyloy. Gnwrizete kati ep' aytoy;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h qhteia toy Proedroy ths Ellhnikhs Dhmokratias den exei oloklhrwqei. Exei ena ikano xroniko diasthma na dianysei o Proedros ths Dhmokratias gia na oloklhrwsei th qhteia toy. Den einai, loipon, qema toy parontos, poly perissotero otan o Proedros ths Dhmokratias einai yperanw aytwn twn ektimhsewn h twn sxoliasmwn. Kai ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias ton timoyme, otan paramenoyme siwphloi, apenanti se tetoies syzhthseis poy prokaloyntai akairws kai -kata th gnwmh mas- xwris na einai kai xrhsimes.

MOYRTZHS: Qa hqela na moy peite ean ayto to "gaitanaki" twn omiliwn orismenwn Ypoyrgwn -opws ths kas Basws Papandreoy, toy k. Papantwnioy poy organwsan oi "filoi" toy- qa synexistei kai an ginontai me th sygkataqesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy aytes oi ekdhlwseis;

REPPAS: Aytes oi ekdhlwseis apoteloyn syneisfora ston koino problhmatismo gia thn proodo ths xwras.

Eyxaristw poly.

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