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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 23.6.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Akoyme apo kapoia kybernhtika stelexh kai diabazoyme oti h Kybernhsh skeftetai na tropopoihsei thn taktikh ths gia tis peraiterw idiwtikopoihseis, tis opoies exei programmatisei. Parallhla yparxoyn plhrofories oti o Prwqypoyrgos kai oi armodioi ypoyrgoi lene oti den prokeitai na ginei kati tetoio. Mporeite na mas peite kai na mas aposafhnisete ti telika qa ginei;

REPPAS: Ta qemata einai arketa safh. Den yparxei opoiadhpote sygxysh, h opoia na epibalei s' emas na kanoyme peraiterw dhlwseis. To programma twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn poy exoyme ejaggeilei qa thrhqei, qa ejelixqei kai qa efarmostei me plhrh synepeia. Oi antidraseis oi opoies ekdhlwqhkan, ekdhlwnontai h kai qa ekdhlwqoyn, einai anamenomenes se kapoio baqmo, einai kai katanohtes. Ayto to opoio, omws, den dikaiologeitai einai o tropos me ton opoio ekdhlwnontai aytes oi antidraseis. Epeidh den einai dikaiologhmenes oi antidraseis aytoy toy xarakthra, den einai dynaton na epitrapei stoys ligoys na yponomeysoyn thn prospaqeia twn pollwn kai na akyrwsoyn thn proodo ths xwras. Se ayth th fash mporei na pei kapoios oti h boylhsh ths Kybernhshs gia thn ejelijh toy programmatos twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn, mporei na ekfrastei me th frash "prosw olotaxws". Bebaiws, oloi mazi, me dialogo kai synennohsh, me synainesh kai synergasia, qa epidiwjoyme na epityxoyme toys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei. An ayto den ginei katorqwto, sto baqmo poy epiqymoyme, den shmainei oti qa anakopei h prospaqeia, prokeimenoy na petyxoyme aytoys toys stoxoys. Giati ayto einai to meizon. Ayto exei anagkh h xwra. Ayto apaitei o ellhnikos laos: Na epityxoyme toys stoxoys kai na kalycoyme to xameno edafos. Kai ayto qa to kanoyme.

MIXAHL: Eixame thn krish sthn O. A. elhje opws elhje. Eixame peripoy epi enamisi mhna thn krish sthn Ionikh. H Kybernhsh, apo tis mexri twra idiwtikopoihseis, ton tropo poy epeleje na tis efarmosei, poia symperasmata exei bgalei;

REPPAS: Ayta einai qemata ta opoia apasxoloyn ta kybernhtika organa, alla kai ta organa toy Kinhmatos. Epi twn qematwn aytwn ginontai polles syzhthseis kai ekfrazontai apoceis. Mporei na pei kapoios oti dyo einai ta xarakthristika, ta opoia diepoyn ton tropo me ton opoio xeiristhkame ayta ta qemata: To ena exei sxesh me thn prospaqeia mas, apo tote poy kaqierwqhke o koinwnikos dialogos ws qesmos, mesa apo dialogo kai synennohsh na prowqhsoyme thn politikh mas dhmioyrgwntas nea dedomena, anoigontas mia nea selida sta dhmosia pragmata ths xwras. Petyxame orismena pragmata, xwris, omws, na exoyme ejasfalisei ayto poy sthn arxh pisteyame oti htan efikto, h politikh mas, dhladh, na ginei apolytws apodekth kai na efarmostei me synainesh. To deytero xarakthristiko exei sxesh me tis akraies antidraseis mikrwn omadwn, oi opoies dhmioyrghsan mia entash, fortisan genikotera to politiko klima kai odhghsan kai thn Kybernhsh sto na antimetwpisei fainomena, ta opoia mporei na xarakthrisei kapoios, ws prwtofanh. Apo kei kai pera, emeis, epeidh, exoyme ejaggeilei sygkekrimeno programma, syzhtwntas, toso sto plaisio twn organwn, kybernhtikwn kai kommatikwn, oso kai me ton ellhniko lao gia to periexomeno kai tis leptomereies aytoy toy programmatos, eimaste apofasismenoi na proxwrhsoyme sthn efarmogh toy. Den prokeitai, oyte kata keraia na apostasiopoihqoyme apo to programma poy exoyme ejaggeilei. Ayto prepei na einai safes.

MIXAHL: Symfwna me to xronodiagramma kai tis proteraiothtes poy exete qesei ws Kybernhsh, meta thn O. A. kai to xwro twn Trapezwn, erxontai ta ELTA, o OSE kai oi ypoloipoi Dhmosioi Organismoi. Qa hqela, loipon, na sas rwthsw ean qa proxwrhsete s' ayth thn efarmogh me ton idio tropo poy phgate kai sthn efarmogh ths Ionikhs, ths O. A. k. lp. ;

REPPAS: Kaqe qema apaitei toys eidikoys xeirismoys, oi opoioi sxetizontai apolyta me to antikeimeno, th fysiognwmia, tis idiaiteres synqhkes poy xarakthrizoyn th leitoyrgia enos ekastoy organismoy h yphresias. Mhn jexnate oti miloyme gia ena programma diarqrwtikwn allagwn. Diarqrwtikes allages einai oi idiwtikopoihseis, einai oi metoxopoihseis, einai o eksygxronismos kai oi anagkaies metarryqmistikes tomes, xwris na odhgoymeqa, sthn teleytaia ayth periptwsh, sth metabibash paketoy metoxwn enos Organismoy toy Dhmosioy. Ara, loipon, qa prepei kaqe fora na deite poies einai oi idiaiteres synqhkes, ta idiaitera stoixeia, prokeimenoy na bgazete symperasmata, gia to an o tropos, me ton opoio xeirizomaste ta qemata, einai o endedeigmenos. Pisteyoyme oti, para ta laqh ta opoia eginan, o tropos me ton opoio xeiristhkame ta qemata htan o endedeigmenos. Den eixame allwste polles epiloges, doqentos oti, afenos, oi xronikes synqhkes einai idiaitera piestikes kai afeteroy, h katastash se polloys tomeis den mas epitrepoyn na epanapayomaste. Prepei to syntomotero dynato na antimetwpisoyme ayth thn krish. Kai ayto kanoyme.

KARAGIANNH: Poioi einai oi logoi poy epebalan h odhghsan thn Kybernhsh se ypanaxwrhsh, sto qema ths apeleyqerwshs toy wrarioy, sto nomosxedio poy afora ta ergasiaka;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kamia ypanaxwrhsh. Den yparxei kamia allagh, h opoia na anatrepei to pneyma toy nomosxedioy poy exei katartisei to ypoyrgeio Ergasias. Qa paroysiastei, ayrio, ayto to nomosxedio, qa deite oti einai plhres kai artio. Oi diatajeis toy problepoyn, mesa apo syllogikes diapragmateyseis kai symfwnia twn ergazomenwn, telikws, th dieyqethsh aytoy toy qematos toy wrarioy, prokeimenoy me symchfismoys kai to 8wro na diathrhqei kai na katoxyrwqei. Gia mia akomh fora, mporw na pw, oti epibebaiwnetai h proshlwsh mas sto 8wro, alla me enan tetoio tropo, wste na dieykolynetai h antagwnistikothta twn epixeirhsewn. H sygkekrimenh ryqmish kriqhke skopimo na apaleifqei. Kai ayto, giati pisteyoyme oti stoys tomeis, toys opoioys idiaiterws afora -symfwna me thn praktikh poy akoloyqeitai, edw kai arketa xronia- einai dedomenh h symfwnia, wste se periodoys aixmhs, oi opoies den jepernoyn toys dyo mhnes, oi ergazomenoi na prosferoyn ergasia gia perissoteres wres, otan to apaitoyn oi anagkes ths epixeirhshs. Nomizw oti ayto deixnei thn kalh pisth ths Kybernhshs. Einai se apolyth sxesh me thn prospaqeia kai thn epiqymia mas, mesa apo synennohsh kai synainesh, na epidiwjoyme aytes tis allages. Elpizoyme kai oi ekproswpoi twn ergazomenwn na antilhfqoyn kai to diko toys rolo me thn idia kalh diaqesh kai na proselqoyn s' ayth th synergasia, wste h efarmogh mia koinotikhs odhgias -giati apo kei jekinoyn ola kai ayto den einai eyrytera gnwsto- kai sthn patrida mas na apodwsei qetikoys karpoys, gia to kalo ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai idiaiterws twn mikrwn kai mesaiwn epixeirhsewn.

KARAGIANNH: Me aformh th sygkekrimenh diatajh poy apaleifqhke kai to qema to opoio syzhtame twra, o k. Papantwnioy, o opoios synanthqhke shmera me ton Prwqypoyrgo ejefrase, mhpws, epifylajeis gia endexomena laqos mhnymata, ej aitias aytoy toy gegonotos, poy pernane sthn agora;

REPPAS: Ayto einai ena qema, to opoio apasxolhse thn koinh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai ths Politikhs Grammateias, thn prohgoymenh Paraskeyh. O armodios ypoyrgos anelabe na xeiristei to qema. Milhsa gia toys xeirismoys toy Ypoyrgoy Ergasias o opoios proxwrhse -epeidh o idios eishghqhke thn apaleich ayths ths diatajhs- sthn anakoinwsh ayths ths mikrhs tropopoihshs, h opoia den qewroyme oti qigei to pneyma, ara kai thn apotelesmatikothta poy prosdokoyme na exei ayto to nomosxedio.

KIAOS: Epeidh eipate oti den yparxei kamia allagh kai epeidh taytoxrona dexqhkate oti apaleifqhke mia ryqmish, pws symbibazontai ayta ta dyo pragmata;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kamia allagh sto programma diarqrwtikwn allagwn to opoio exoyme ejaggeilei. Apla, oi kinhseis tis opoies qa kanoyme, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme toys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei, poikiloyn. Kai einai se apolyth synarthsh me tis synqhkes poy yparxoyn kaqe fora.

KIAOS: Anaferomai sto nomosxedio peri twn ergasiakwn sxesewn, oxi sto genikotero programma twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn.

REPPAS: Ma, eipa, den qigetai se tipota to pneyma kai h oysia toy nomosxedioy.

KIAOS: To arxiko sxedio to opoio eixe dhmosieyqei kiolas, miloyse gia to dikaiwma to dieyqyntiko, apo monos toy poy eixe o dieyqynths epixeirhsews na proxwrei sto 9wro. Kai twra, ayto einai poy apaleifetai kai poy qa ginetai katopin twn diapragmateysewn kai syzhthsewn me to syllogiko organo. Ayto den einai mia diaforetikh ryqmish, poy to dexqhkate ki eseis;

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin, sthn erwthsh poy ekane h ka Karagiannh kai edwsa leptomerestath apanthsh. Giati, metajy twn allwn eipa, synektimhsame oti s` aytoys toys tomeis oi idioi oi ergazomenoi, opws edeije h praktikh twn teleytaiwn etwn, dexontai na ergastoyn perissoteres wres se periodoy aixmhs, prokeimenoy na enisxysoyn thn antagwnistikothta twn epixeirhsewn stis opoies apasxoloyntai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti syzhthse o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Xolmproyk, ti entoles efere o k. Xolmproyk kai ti prokeitai na ginei;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizoyme ti entoles exei dwsei h Kybernhsh toy ston k. Xolmproyk. H Kybernhsh toy, toy dinei entoles, o k. Xolmproyk antapokrinetai stis entoles ths Kybernhshs toy. Emeis antapokrinomaste stis entoles poy exoyme apo ton kyriarxo ellhniko lao, o opoios, doja tw Qew kai doja tw law, en prokeimenw, kat` epanalhch ekfrazei sthn Kybernhsh mas, sto Kinhma mas, thn empistosynh toy wste na kybername epi polla xronia ayth th xwra. Sto plaisio, loipon, ths synergasias twn dyo Kybernhsewn, twn dyo xwrwn kai twn dyo lawn, oi ekproswpoi toy, opws en prokeimenw o Prwqypoyrgos kai o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn apo thn pleyra mas kai o k. Xolmproyk kai o k. Mperns apo thn allh pleyra, syzhthsan qemata koinoy endiaferontos. Tetoia qemata einai h krish sthn eyryterh perioxh, idiws meta thn entash h opoia exei ekdhlwqei sto Kossyfopedio kai bebaiws, ta qemata dikoy mas idiaiteroy endiaferontos, opws einai to Kypriako zhthma kai oi ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis. Gia ta qemata ayta o k. Xolmproyk, me th nea idiothta poy exei ws presbhs twn HPA sto Symboylio Asfaleias toy OHE, zhthse th symparastash kai th gnwsh poy exei gia ta dedomena ths perioxhs h ellhnikh Kybernhsh, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistei to qema ths krishs toy Kossyfopedioy. Oson afora ta alla qemata, tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis kai to Kypriako, egine mia episkophsh, mia anakefalaiwsh twn ejelijewn. Den yphrje opoiadhpote apofash, ara den exoyn allajei ta dedomena, ta opoia mexri protinos yphrxan kai einai kai sas gnwsta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den einai toso apla ta pragmata, giati eprokeito na dei mono ton Yfypoyrgo Ejwterikwn. Kai jafnika ginetai syskech sto Majimoy me ton Prwqypoyrgo.

REPPAS: Apanthsame s` ayto xqes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den einai toso apla ta pragmata...

REPPAS: Einai para poly apla. Kai lypamai, giati eida kai shmera stis efhmerides sxolia, metajy twn allwn kai ena sxolio to opoio leei oti, "diarrhgnya ta imatia moy" kai ekana ta panta, wste na sas peisw pws qa dei mono ton Yfypoyrgo Ejwterikwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To eipate thn Paraskeyh.

REPPAS:... kai oti xqes prospaqoysa na sas peisw oti "den trexei tipota" poy eide ton Prwqypoyrgo. Kamia prospaqeia den ekana, oyte thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, oyte xqes. Thn prohgoymenh ebdomada me rwthsate kai eipa oti qa einai sthn Ellada kai qa ton dexqei h hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. En tw metajy anakoinwqhke h anabaqmish toy k. Xolmproyk, o opoios einai melos ths Kybernhshs, pleon, twn HPA, me thn idiothta poy exei ws presbhs sto Symboylio Asfaleias toy OHE. Anabaqmismenos, pleon, me th nea toy ayth idiothta, ginetai dektos apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, meta apo diko toy aithma. Katopin toytoy, loipon, mhn caxnete -to eipa xqes, to epanalambanw kai shmera- gia ejagwgh symperasmatwn, se phges poy den prosferontai gia na bgalete tetoia symperasmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exei janaginei idiwtikh episkech na metatrepetai se epishmh syskech;

REPPAS: Polloi paragontes oi opoioi episkeptontai th xwra mas, otan krinetai oti ayto einai logiko kai prosferei qetikh yphresia kai sta eqnika mas qemata, ginontai dektoi apo thn hgesia ths xwras se diafora epipeda kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Allwste, thn Kyriakh, qa synanthqei me ton k. Pronti. Idiwtikh episkech einai. Qa synanthqoyn gia liges wres sthn Kerkyra kai qa anaxwrhsoyn mazi gia th Frankfoyrth. Aytes oi epikoinwnies, aytes oi epafes ginontai. Mh sas kanei entypwsh oti to programma mporei na allazei apo th mia hmera sthn allh kai h allagh ayth na shmainei aytomatws -kata th dikh sas apoch- oti krybontai kapoia dolia sxedia. Den symbainei kati tetoio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelw na rwthsw akomh, an h Ellada desmeythke na symmetasxei sto Kossyfopedio me aeroporikes kai epigeies dynameis;

REPPAS: H Ellada exei jekaqarh qesh gia thn krish sto Kossyfopedio. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, gnwrizete oti einai se ejelijh ayth h synennohsh metajy twn ekproswpwn twn xwrwn poy endiaferontai na antimetwpisoyn thn krish sto Kossyfopedio. Exoyme pei, kat` epanalhch, oti apaiteitai na ejasfalistei h nomikh bash epi ths opoias qa anaptyxqei opoiadhpote stratiwtikh epixeirhsh. Ws nomikh bash qewroyme aparaithth thn ekdosh apofashs toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE. To Symboylio Asfaleias toy OHE den exei synedriasei gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Oi apoceis poy exoyme diatypwseis dhmosiws, einai apoceis tis opoies diatypwsame kai ston k. Xolmproyk, dioti aytes apoteloyn thn politikh ths xwras mas gia thn krish sto Kossyfopedio. Aytes oi apoceis, pisteyoyme, akoysthkan me prosoxh apo ton k. Xolmproyk. Eimaste parontes kai opoies ejelijeis yparxoyn thn epomenh periodo gia thn antimetwpish ths krishs, qa mas broyn panetoimoys gia kaqe endexomeno.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gi` ayto sas rwthsa -epeidh to eqese o k. Xolmproyk- an dexqhkame symmetoxh me epigeies kai aeroporikes dynameis;

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei gi` ayto edw kai arketes hmeres, gia na mhn pw ebdomades. Isxyoyn oi idies apanthseis. Gia ayta ta qemata exoyme apanthsei...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Tote apanthsate gia th symmetoxh twn dyo polemikwn aeroskafwn.

REPPAS: Eipame oti h Ellada einai paroysa kai symmetexei. Sas eipa, shmera, oti eimaste etoimoi gia kaqe endexomeno. Ti symperasma bgazete apo thn apanthsh poy sas edwsa; Eite na laboyme meros, eite na mh laboyme. Eite na laboyme meros me mia orismenh morfh h me mia opoiadhpote allh morfh. Alla ola ayta -ola ta endexomena gia ta opoia eimaste etoimoi- eipame oti mporoyme na ta antimetwpisoyme, efoson ejasfalistei ayth h nomikh bash. Efoson yparjei h apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE.

KWSTANTINIDHS: Mhpws metefere kati kainoyrgio o k. Xolmproyk gia to Kypriako; Giati shmera grafetai ston Typo oti egine ena eidos "pazarioy" gia toys S-300.

REPPAS: Kanena "pazari". Den yparxei opoiadhpote ejelijh.

KYRIAKIDOY: Mporeite na mas peite merikes leptomereies gia th synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Pronti sthn Kerkyra; Giati ginetai;

REPPAS: Einai mia anepishmh synanthsh, opws antilambaneste. Oi dyo politikoi andres exoyn poly kales, aristes proswpikes sxeseis. Zhthse o k. Pronti na episkefqei thn Ellada kai na exei ayth thn epikoinwnia me ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo. Den yparxei kati idiaitero. Qa syzhthsoyn qemata koinoy endiaferontos, poly perissotero, poy oi dyo xwres mas einai melh ths E. E. kai ws xwres ths Mesogeioy, toy Eyrwpaikoy Notoy, exoyn mia koinh stash se polla qemata.

KARAGIANNH: Ke Ekproswpe, xqesinobradines plhrofories aneferan oti o k. Xolmproyk metefere ston Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo mia protash, poy exei akoystei apo to parelqon, gia apagoreysh -stamathma an qelete- twn askhsewn panw apo thn Kypro kai to Aigaio, twn toyrkikwn kai ellhnikwn aeroskafwn. Isxyoyn oi plhrofories aytes h oxi;

REPPAS: Ayth einai mia qesh thn opoia exei ekfrasei o k. Pagkalos. Einai idea toy k. Pagkaloy h opoia entassetai sto plaisio enos sxedioy gia thn apostratikopoihsh ths Kyproy kai paramenei sto trapezi. Giati emeis, opws fanhke allwste kai apo thn teleytaia epistolh poy esteile o k. Klhridhs, symfwnoyme me thn prospaqeia poy kanei h kypriakh kybernhsh gia thn apostratikopoihsh toy nhsioy kai zhtoyme apo to dieqnh paragonta na mesolabhsei kai na symbalei, wste na dexqei kai h allh pleyra ena sxedio apostratikopoihshs, me sygkekrimeno xroniko orizonta, me sygkekrimena endiamesa bhmata. Ayth h protash, thn opoia kanei h kypriakh kybernhsh kai mas briskei apolyta symfwnoys, deixnei thn kalh diaqesh kai to endiaferon mas gia na lyqei to kypriako problhma, pragma to opoio den symbainei me thn allh pleyra. Kai ayto prepei na ektimhqei.

KARAGIANNH: H amerikanikh pleyra qetei ws proypoqesh gia na mesolabhsei kai na apodexqei thn arxikh protash toy k. Pagkaloy, opws lete, th mh egkatastash twn S-300 sthn Kypro;

REPPAS: Ma, ena sxedio apostratikopoihshs, metajy olwn twn allwn, qa problepei oti den qa yparxoyn oyte ejoplismoi, oyte stratiwtes sto nhsi. An, pragmatika, desmeytei h allh pleyra na yparjei ena programma apostratikopoihshs kai na symbalei sthn efarmogh toy, tote den tiqetai qema. To exei pei epishmws h kypriakh kybernhsh pws h anastolh ths promhqeias twn S-300 mporei na apofasistei, efoson yparjei mia shmantikh proodos h opoia deixnei ton orizonta ths lyshs toy kypriakoy problhmatos h efoson symfwnhqei ena sxedio apostratikopoihshs sthn Kypro. Den symbainei tipota apo ta dyo, ara den allazei se tipota h apofash poy exei labei h kypriakh kybernhsh gia thn promhqeia twn S-300.

MOSXOBAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw pws skeftetai o Prwqypoyrgos na antimetwpisei tis oligwries twn melwn toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, gia sygkekrimenes entoles poy toys edoqhsan gia paragwgh sygkekrimenoy ergoy oson afora thn poiothta zwhs. Anaferetai sthn ereyna ths "EJOYSIAS" shmera, oti yparxoyn Ypoyrgeia poy den exoyn ylopoihsei sxedon kamia apo tis entoles poy edoqhsan apo ton Prwqypoyrgo apo ton Septembrio toy '97.

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh doyleyei systhmatika kai me sxedio. Exei syntelestei poly shmantikh proodos. Bebaiws, den eimaste sto epipedo ekeino to opoio kai emeis epiqymoyme. Gi' ayto allwste, einai aparaithtes aytes oi ejygiantikes kai metarryqmistikes tomes, prokeimenoy na eksygxronistei to Dhmosio kai oi Organismoi toy. Isa-isa, h katastash h opoia diapistwnetai meta apo ton elegxo o opoios ginetai me episthmoniko pleon tropo, odhgei sto symperasma oti perissotero para pote einai anagkaio shmera na biastoyme, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme th beltiwsh twn synqhkwn leitoyrgias toy Dhmosioy kai twn epixeirhsewn toy. O Prwqypoyrgos gnwrizei arista ta qemata kaqe Ypoyrgeioy, gnwrizei arista pws ergazetai o kaqe Ypoyrgos, periballei me empistosynh toys Ypoyrgoys toy, giati aytoi einai oi amesoi synergates toy. Gnwrizete poly kala oti oi dynatothtes poy exoyn ola ta melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy gia na askhsoyn ta kaqhkonta toys, den einai aperioristes. Exoyn sxesh me agkylwseis toy parelqontos, me eggeneis grafeiokratikes dysxereies, exoyn sxesh me ena telma sto opoio eixe perielqei, epi arketa xronia sto parelqon, h Dhmosia Dioikhsh sth xwra mas. Oi tomes poy eginan apo tote poy kyberna to PASOK, pisteyoyme oti exoyn beltiwsei para poly ta pragmata. Alla xreiazetai na proxwrhsoyme akomh perissotero.

MOSXOBAS: Einai dhladh ikanopoihmenos o Prwqypoyrgos apo thn poreia ylopoihshs twn entolwn poy exei dwsei sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos einai enas anqrwpos poy apo idiosygkrasia, qa elega, poly dyskola mporei na pei kapoios oti qa ikanopoihqei. Einai latrhs poly ychlwn stoxwn, qetei poly ychla ton phxh, giati qelei oi epidoseis ths Kybernhshs na einai epidoseis oi opoies mporei arista na staqoyn dipla stis epidoseis allwn kybernhsewn kai allwn xwrwn, sto plaisio ths E. E. Exoyme meinei poly pisw. Prepei na kerdisoyme to xrono poy xasame. Prepei na kalycoyme to xameno edafos.

FILHS: Ke Ypoyrge, thn prohgoymenh ebdomada eixate proanaggeilei, peripoy, th syllhch twn drastwn ths dolofonikhs epiqeshs kata toy foithth sth Sxolh Eyelpidwn. Shmera oloklhrwqhke kai paradoqhke, sth Dikaiosynh to porisma toy Astynomikoy Tmhmatos ths perioxhs. Oyte syllhch exoyme, oyte katonomasmo twn drastwn, oyte tipota. Ti symbainei;

REPPAS: Prwta ap' ola den eixa proanaggeilei ayto to opoio lete eseis oti eixa proanaggeilei.

FILHS: Eixate pei oti einai melh ths "Xryshs Ayghs".

REPPAS: Eipa -kai epanalambanw- oti anazhtoyntai kai katazhtoyntai melh ayths ths fasistikhs organwshs ta opoia krybontai. Kai prepei na sas pw oti enw oloklhrwqhke h proanakrish kai h dikografia paradoqhke sthn eisaggelikh arxh, h ereyna twn diwktikwn arxwn synexizetai. Giati ta sygkekrimena atoma ta opoia zhtaei h Astynomia na entopisei, den exoyn akomh breqei. Kai to oti krybontai einai dhlwtiko gia tis diwktikes arxes -ayto to symperasma bgainei abiasta- pws noiwqoyn oti exoyn kapoia eyqynh kai foboyntai ton entopismo kai th syllhch toys, epeidh jeroyn oti qa prepei na dwsoyn logo gia ta osa ekanan. Giati h prajh ayth einai mia prajh apexqhs. Miloyme gia mia prospaqeia na dolofonhqei enas synanqrwpos mas. Alla, otan den yparxoyn sygkekrimena stoixeia, den einai dynaton sto plaisio mias proanakrishs h Ellhnikh Astynomia na onomasei toys ypeyqynoys, toys drastes mias tetoias prajhs. An yparxoyn ta stoixeia qa prepei na to kanei. An den yparxoyn ta stoixeia den prepei na to kanei. Ayto to opoio prepei na kanei, se kaqe periptwsh, einai na synexisei thn prospaqeia ths kai tis ereynes, prokeimenoy na entopisei aytoys poy qewrei ypoptoys kai amesa emplekomenoys s' ayto to egklhmatiko -as moy epitrapei na pw- resital to opoio edwsan ekeinh thn hmera, enantion enos aoploy anqrwpoy.

FILHS: Dhladh, h Astynomia den exei stoixeia oti oi anazhtoymenoi, stelexh ths "Xryshs Ayghs", einai ypoptoi gia th dolofonikh epiqesh;

REPPAS: H Astynomia mporei na kanei diafores ypoqeseis, alla qa prepei na anazhthsei kai na anakrinei aytoys poy qewrei ypoptoys, prokeimenoy na bgalei ta symperasmata ths kai na stoixeioqethsei ena porisma poy ekdidei. Den einai dynaton na to kanei an den exei ta plhrh stoixeia sth diaqesh ths. Kai den ta exei.

FILHS: Dhladh, sto porisma mesa den katonomazontai poioi einai oi ypoptoi kata thn Astynomia. Synepws o dikastikes arxes den mporoyn na ekdwsoyn entalma syllhchs...

REPPAS: Den exw melethsei th dikografia, oyte exw ayth th dynatothta kai to dikaiwma. O fakelos einai, pleon, sth diaqesh twn eisaggelikwn arxwn, poy aytes qa xeiristoyn thn ypoqesh apo dw kai pera. Oson afora thn Astynomia, epanalambanw, synexizei thn ereyna ths gia na entopisei aytoys poy qewrei ypoptoys kai amesa emplekomenoys s' ayth thn ypoqesh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Stelexh toy KKE parapempontai, sta Dikasthria me thn kathgoria oti symparastaqhkan stis kinhtopoihseis twn ekpaideytikwn. Qa hqela ena sxolio sas.

REPPAS: To na symparastekesai stis kinhtopoihseis ekpaideytikwn h opoiasdhpote allhs koinwnikhs kathgorias, den synista poiniko adikhma kai den mporei na einai ayth h kathgoria poy toys apeyqynetai. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, an kapoios, kata thn ekdhlwsh twn fronhmatwn toy h thn askhsh twn atomikwn kai dhmokratikwn dikaiwmatwn toy, exei probei se ajiopoines prajeis, gi' ayto, bebaiws, yparxei h dikaiosynh, prokeimenoy na elegjei an exoyn telestei aytes oi ajiopoines prajeis. Ayto ginetai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: To gegonos oti o k. Prwqypoyrgos, proxqes sth Boylh, xarakthrise ajiopoinh prajh to gegonos oti boyleytes toy sygkekrimenoy kommatos symparastaqhkan s' aytes tis kinhtopoihseis, dinei th dynatothta se kapoioys na eklaboyn ws stoixeio ajiopoinhs prajhs th symperifora toys, meta apo tetoia topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos den eipe ayto. Kaqe allo. Den einai dynaton na xarakthrise ajiopoinh prajh thn politikh stash boyleytwn. Yparxei politikh apodokimasia kai katadikh. S 'ayth exoyme probei apo thn prwth kiolas hmera. Bebaiws, an yparxoyn ajiopoines prajeis oi opoies exoyn telestei apo toys boyleytes, toys opoioys boyleytes toy Ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy, kai pali oi eisaggelikes arxes einai aytes poy exoyn to logo kai qa akoloyqhqei h sygkekrimenh diadikasia poy problepetai. Alla den prepei na paragnwrizei kaqenas apo esas, oti sto plaisio kai twn prosfatwn kinhtopoihsewn twn ekpaideytikwn, ekdhlwqhkan fainomena ta opoia einai fanero -eimaste oloi martyres aytwn twn epeisodiwn- oti periexoyn kai prajeis oi opoies einai paranomes. An, loipon, oi dikastikes arxes qewroyn oti prepei na epilhfqoyn aytwn twn epeisodiwn, den prepei na mas jenizei kai den prepei na mas enoxlei. Isa-isa, qa elega oti ayto deixnei pws yparxoyn antanaklastika, dhmokratika antanaklastika. Kai se mia eynomoymenh, syntetagmenh politeia, ayto einai eyxaristo. Den einai dysaresto na yparxoyn antanaklastika stis arxes.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Kata th gnwmh sas to na prophlakizei kapoios polites, einai ajiopoinh prajh;

REPPAS: Nomizw oti an empodizeis kapoion na askhsei ta dika toy dhmokratika dikaiwmata h ton parempodizeis na anaptyjei nomimh drasthriothta, mporei na pei kapoios oti askeis apenanti toy ena eidos bias. Ayta ta krinoyn oi dikastikes arxes. Emeis den qa metablhqoyme se dikastes. Emeis se politikh apodokimasia periorizomaste, thn opoia -an qelete- qewrw idiaiterws entonh kai sklhrh. Einai barytath h politikh apodokimasia, se sxesh me opoiesdhpote alles apofaseis dikasthriwn. Omws exoyn kai oi dikastikes arxes to rolo toys kai prepei na toys epitrepoyme na paizoyn anephreasta ayto to rolo poy toys exoyme anaqesei.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: To gegonos oti -kai me aformh ayth thn teleytaia apanthsh sas- eseis o idios milhsate gia boyleytes oi opoioi prophlakizan ekpaideytikoys, kata th gnwmh sas den shmatodotei thn apodosh ajiopoinwn prajewn se politika proswpa, boyleytes;

REPPAS: Den nomizw oti h Dikaiosynh sthn Ellada, leitoyrgei katopin entolwn. H Kybernhsh oydepote anamixqhke sta eswterika ths Dikaiosynhs, oydepote edwse entolh gia ton tropo me ton opoio qa kinhqoyn ta dikastika organa, alla kai oi Ellhnes dikastes den nomizw oti einai dynaton na eklambanoyn san entoles h kateyqynseis tis dhlwseis poy kanoyn oi politikoi paragontes. Alliws oi politikoi paragontes den qa prepei na ekfrazoyn tis apoceis h tis qeseis toys, giati ayto mporei na qewrhqei oti apotelei mia emmesh ypodeijh gia na kanoyn me sygkekrimeno tropo to ergo toys, ta organa ths dikaiosynhs. Enw ayto den symbainei.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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