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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 19 Ioynioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai h Politikh Grammateia. Dyo htan ta qemata sta opoia epikentrwqhke h syzhthsh. To ena einai sxetiko me tis ergasies ths Synodoy Koryfhs sto Karntif, gia thn opoia o Prwqypoyrgos ekane mia enhmerwsh sta melh twn organwn kai proebh se kapoia sxolia. To allo qema aforoyse tis eswterikes ejelijeis, kyriws thn politikh twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn poy prowqei h Kybernhsh. Kai, bebaiws, th sxesh thn opoia h Kybernhsh kai to Kinhma poy sthrizei thn Kybernhsh, to PASOK, epiqymoyn na diathrhsoyn kai na anaptyjoyn me to syndikalistiko kinhma ths xwras.

Oson afora to prwto qema, peran ths enhmerwshs o Prwqypoyrgos epeshmane oti:

* H Synodos Koryfhs toy Karntif eixe qetika apotelesmata, apotelese mia proodo sthn prooptikh ths eyrwpaikhs enopoihshs.

* Ta qemata eidikoy endiaferontos gia th xwra mas -opws ta ejeqesan o Prwqypoyrgos kai oi ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn kai Eqnikhs Oikonomias- akoysthkan me prosoxh apo toys etairoys. Epanelabe oti h entypwsh poy epixeirhqhke na dhmioyrghqei, pws yphrje mia apomonwsh ths Elladas apo tis alles xwres h oti dhmioyrghqhkan dyo kathgories xwrwn kai sth mia kathgoria breqhke h Ellada monh ths, enw oi 14 alles xwres breqhkan sthn allh kathgoria, einai mia eikona ceydhs, den antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia. Me pollh katanohsh akoysthkan oi qeseis mas. H pleiochfia twn hgetwn twn allwn xwrwn parakoloyqhse thn antallagh twn apocewn, xwris na parembei. Mporei kapoios na pei oti yphrxe, kiolas, mia eymenhs antidrash sthn anaptyjh ths epixeirhmatologias apo th dikh mas pleyra.

* Gia th stash ths Toyrkias. Ena deytero sxolio afora thn entash, thn opoia prokalei h Toyrkia, ayta ta teleytaia 24wra. Epishmainetai oti synhqizei h Toyrkia, ligo prin h ligo meta tis Synodoys Koryfhs ths E. E., na epixeirei na prokalesei entash sthn perioxh. Epanalambanei ta laqh toy parelqontos, akoloyqwntas thn idia politikh, h opoia einai epiqetikh kai proklhtikh se baros ths xwras mas. Ektimhse o Prwqypoyrgos oti h politikh zwh sthn Toyrkia brisketai se mia metabatikh fash enocei twn eklogwn, poy exei anakoinwqei oti qa ginoyn peri ton Aprilio toy 1999. Ara, mporei kapoios na ektimhsei oti s` ayto to politiko plaisio reystothtas polloi peirasmoi yparxoyn apenanti stoys opoioys qa breqoyn oi hgetes ths Toyrkias, prokeimenoy na enisxysoyn th dhmotikothta toys kai na ayjhsoyn thn epirroh twn kommatwn toys. To fainomeno ayto, ths proklhshs apenanti sthn Ellada, mporei na exei synexeia. Gi` ayto akribws emeis, poy exoyme qesei ws stoxo ths politikhs mas na enisxysoyme to eswteriko metwpo, na to katasthsoyme arrages, kai, taytoxronws, na epityxoyme toys stoxoys mas, wste sto ameso mellon na entaxqoyme sthn ONE, den prepei na apoprosanatolistoyme kai na pagideytoyme s` ayth thn politikh, thn opoia h Toyrkia fainetai oti exei prokrinei, oson afora tis ellhno-toyrkikes sxeseis. Eimaste cyxraimoi apenanti stis proklhseis, alla kai apofasistikoi kai etoimoi na antimetwpisoyme, me kaqe tropo -yperaspizomenoi to dikaio ths politikhs mas kai to eqniko symferon- thn epiqetikh stash ths Toyrkias.

* Ena trito shmeio, oson afora th Synodo Koryfhs, aforoyse ta oikonomika kai dhmosionomika ths E. E. O Prwqypoyrgos sxoliase to qema ths ayjhshs twn idiwn porwn. Eipe oti einai ena poly megalo qema, to opoio, omws, enocei kai twn germanikwn eklogwn, mporei na pei kapoios pws den eykolo na brei lysh twra. Gnwrizete oti h meqepomenh Proedria anhkei sth Germania. Ektimatai oti h periodos ayth, mexri to Marth toy 1999, periodos entos ths opoias exoyn programmatistei ektakta Symboylia Koryfhs, gia thn antimetwpish twn oikonomikwn ths E. E. qa einai mia periodos entonwn diapragmateysewn, diaboyleysewn, prokeimenoy na diamorfwsei h E. E. thn telikh qesh ths, epi twn shmantikwn aytwn qematwn, gia ta opoia exei diapistwqei diastash apocewn metajy twn diaforwn xwrwn.

Oson afora to eswteriko ths xwras, o Prwqypoyrgos ekane ta ejhs sxolia:

* H Kybernhsh exei apofasisei thn anagkaia politikh twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn, me gnwmona to symferon kai thn prooptikh ths xwras mas gia thn isotimh entajh ths sthn eyrwpaikh synergasia. Gnwrizoyme oti h politikh ayth synanta antidraseis apo mikres syntexniakes omades, oi opoies, omws, den einai dynaton na anakocoyn thn poreia mas. H Kybernhsh noiwqei oti sthn prospaqeia poy kanei exei mazi ths thn cyxraimh pleiochfia toy ellhnikoy laoy, poy anagnwrizei thn orqothta aytwn twn politikwn epilogwn.

* To syndikalistiko kinhma ths xwras dexetai, sth syntriptikh pleiochfia toy, ws orqh ayth thn poreia gia to mellon ths xwras mas. S` ayth thn prospaqeia gia ton eksygxronismo ths koinwnias mas, thn ejygiansh twn epixeirhsewn toy Dhmosioy, pisteyoyme oti to syndikalistiko kinhma apotelei enan synergath kai symparastath poly shmantiko kai qetiko. Gnwrizoyme oti to Kinhma mas kai h Kybernhsh mas idiaiterws, poy exei apodeijei me thn politikh ths oti endiaferetai gia ta problhmata twn ergazomenwn, apoteloyn kai gia ekeinoys th megalh elpida kai prosdokia oti qa epityxoyme aytoys toys eqnikhs shmasias stoxoys. Pisteyoyme oti to idio to syndikalistiko kinhma, h megalh pleiochfia twn ergazomenwn, aporriptei aytes tis syntexniakes nootropies kai tis praktikes, tis symperifores poy odhgoyn se adiejodo, meiwnoyn tis dynatothtes gia ayjhsh twn qesewn apasxolhshs kai gia th beltiwsh twn synqhkwn zwhs, alla kai th beltiwsh toy eisodhmatos twn Ellhnwn ergazomenwn.

* H mexri twra poreia toy PASOK kai ths Kybernhshs, metajy olwn twn allwn, exei stefqei apo epityxia giati sthrizetai kai sth synergasia me ta megala tmhmata toy syndikalistikoy kinhmatos. Anagnwrizoyme kai katanooyme ta problhmata kai tis anagkes, oi opoies prokyptoyn gia toys ergazomenoys, kaqws ejelissetai ayth h politikh twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn. Gi` ayto akribws epiqymoyme -kai pantote ayto epilegoyme- na dinoyme lyseis sta problhmata poy prokyptoyn, me gnwmona to koinwniko symferon, idiaiterws, kai th diasfalish twn dikaiwmatwn twn ergazomenwn. Prwtarxikos stoxos olwn mas, symfwna me thn entolh poy exoyme apo ton ellhniko lao, einai na oloklhrwsoyme ayth thn politikh, h opoia qa odhghsei thn Ellada, ta epomena liga xronia, na einai ena melos isotimo me ta alla sthn ONE. Ayto apaitei h megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn, poy prosdoka kalyteres synqhkes zwhs.

-Syzhthsame epishs gia ta qemata poy aforoyn thn kalyterh anaptyjh twn kommatikwn diadikasiwn, oson afora thn enhmerwsh twn stelexwn, twn melwn toy Kinhmatos, gia ta qemata ths akoloyqoymenhs politikhs.

-Epibebaiwqhke akomh ayto poy hdh eixe apofasistei se prosfato Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, h qesh mas gia to kaloymeno ergasiako nomosxedio. Eixe, tote, egkriqei to plaisio ths politikhs mas. Shmera apofasisthkan kai egkriqhkan oi telikes qeseis. Anelabe o armodios ypoyrgos Ergasias M. Papaiwannoy, na kanei toys teleytaioys xeirismoys. Diafores symplhrwmatikes protaseis poy diatypwqhkan, employtizoyn to keimeno ayto, to opoio qa exei syntoma th morfh nomosxedioy kai thn erxomenh Tetarth (24.6) prokeitai na doqei sth dhmosiothta. Qa enhmerwqoyn oi koinwnikoi foreis, h Oikonomikh kai Koinwnikh Epitroph (OKE) gia na diatypwsoyn tis apoceis toys. Kai afoy kleisei aytos o neos kyklos dialogoy to nomosxedio qa prowqhqei sth Boylh.

Qa moy epitrecete na sas enhmerwsw oti anamenetai h ekdosh apofashs ths dikastikhs arxhs, gia thn epanalhch ths Genikhs Syneleyshs ths Emporikhs Trapezas, ths opoias antikeimeno apotelei h pwlhsh ths Ionikhs Trapezas. Gia logoys diafylajhs ths swmatikhs akeraiothtas twn metoxwn, poy lambanoyn meros sth G. S., kriqhke oti eprepe na diakopei h G. S. kai na epanalhfqei me kalyteroys oroys kai proypoqeseis. Einai aparadekto mia omada anqrwpwn, poy ekproswpei kati ligotero apo to 1% toy synoloy toy metoxikoy kefalaioy, na yponomeyei thn proodo tinazontas ston aera th diejagwgh ths G. S. H apofash gia thn pwlhsh ths Ionikhs Trapezas h opoia basima mporei kapoios na ektimhsei oti einai anamenomenh apotelei ena akomh bhma, prokeimenoy na oloklhrwqei kai ayth h epilogh. Pisteyoyme oti oi diadikasies ths G. S. qa epanalhfqoyn kai qa oloklhrwqoyn me th lhch ths telikhs apofashs, entos ths hmeras.

Mporw na sas pw, telos, kai kati eyxaristo, oson afora ta Ellhnika Petrelaia. Ekei, einai se ejelijh h dhmosia eggrafh, enocei ths metoxopoihshs. Gnwrizete oti ta apotelesmata einai entypwsiaka, qeamatika. Sto plaisio ths dhmosias eggrafhs, gia metoxes ajias 25 disekatommyriwn draxmwn, yparxei, hdh, terastio endiaferon, kaqws oi proeggrafes jepernoyn ta 750 dis draxmes. Gia toys qesmikoys ependytes sto men eswteriko to endiaferon se ajia jeperna ta 105 dis draxmwn enanti twn 13 dis draxmwn, sto de ejwteriko anti twn 135 ekatommyriwn dolariwn, to endiaferon se ajia xrhmatos jeperna, hdh, ta 950 ekatommyria dolaria. Ola ayta einai poly enqarryntika stoixeia, ta opoia deixnoyn oti ta pragmata s` ayto ton topo, se polles periptwseis, ejelissontai etsi, wste na dikaiologoyn megalh aisiodojia. Den yparxei mono aytos o mikros kosmos, ston opoio eimaste anagkasmenoi na zoyme, kosmos ston opoio, polles fores, mas periorizei h entypwsh poy kalliergeitai apo orismenoys. Yparxei enas megalos kosmos, yparxei h ellhnikh koinwnia, sthn opoia polla pragmata ginontai kai einai ajia qaymasmoy.

Ayta apo meroys moy. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Kybernhsh, meta apo ayth thn ejelijh epimenei sthn idiwtikopoihsh ths Ionikhs Trapezas; Me dikastikes apofaseis qa thn kanei, me ta MAT;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh exei sygkekrimenh entolh thn opoia qa efarmosei. Qa oloklhrwsei thn politikh ths. Kai sto sygkekrimeno tomea h politikh gia th metabibash toy paketoy metoxwn ths Ionikhs Trapezas, pisteyoyme oti, entos ths hmeras, qa gnwrisei mia poly shmantikh wqhsh. Giati h pleiochfia twn metoxwn kineitai, ws fainetai, s` ayth thn kateyqynsh. Den einai oi dikastikes apofaseis, oi opoies dieykolynoyn aythn thn politikh. Einai h pleiochfia twn metoxwn poy einai dedomenh. Den einai dynaton kapoioi, oi opoioi katexoyn ligotero apo to 1% twn metoxwn ths Ionikhs Trapezas, na empodizoyn th megalh pleiochfia twn metoxwn -poy epiqymei ayth thn ejelijh- na parei sygkekrimenh apofash gia thn pwlhsh ths Ionikhs Trapezas. Ayto einai antidhmokratiko kai deixnei aytarxismo. Fanerwnei mia syntexniakh nootropia, h opoia me dynamiko tropo, qelei na akyrwsei ena ejygiantiko, diarqrwtiko egxeirhma. Den prokeitai h Kybernhsh na epitrecei na epikrathsoyn tetoioy eidoys staseis kai symperifores, gia na epibalei h mikrh meiochfia me dynamiko tropo th qelhsh ths stoys polloys, oi opoioi epiqymoyn thn proodo s` ayto ton topo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws jerete oti den einai perissoteroi; Den einai mono to 1%.

REPPAS: Einai ligoteroi apo to 1%....

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati; Milhsan oi alloi;

REPPAS:... aytoi oi opoioi exoyn to paketo twn metoxwn poy symmetexoyn kai antidroyn me ayto ton tropo. Mporeite na to ereynhsete ki eseis. Ikanos reporter eiste, metajy olwn twn allwn, peran toy oti eiste politikos syntakths. Mporeite na exete yp och sas ayta ta stoixeia.

MIXAHL: Qelw na sas rwthsw ean epimenei h Kybernhsh, oti h apostolh twn ellhnikwn maxhtikwn aeroskafwn F-16 sthn Pafo, einai anejarthto gegonos apo thn entash poy prokalei h Toyrkia.

REPPAS: H entash prokaleitai apo thn Toyrkia kai prin yparjei ayth h ekpaideytikh pthsh twn maxhtikwn aeroskafwn sthn Kypro. Ara, mporei kapoios, poly logika skeptomenos, na pei oti to fainomeno ayto yphrxe prin thn pthsh twn aeroskafwn kai oti qa synexisei na yparxei oso h Toyrkia akoloyqei mia ejwterikh politikh, h opoia prokrinei thn entash stis ellhno-toyrkikes sxeseis. Ayto akribws einai poy prepei na labete ypoch sas: Oti h entash ayth den ekdhlwnetai twra gia prwth fora. H Toyrkia, pisteyoyme, akoloyqei mia politikh, h opoia thn odhgei se adiejodo. Ayto, kata th dikh mas gnwmh, exei apodeixqei. Qa prepei na thn problhmatisei.

MIXAHL: Mhpws, loipon, h Kybernhsh edwse kai aformh na ekdhlwqei jana twra;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh akoloyqei mia politikh, prokeimenoy na yperaspisei ta eqnika symferonta. H politikh ayth einai symfwnh me to Dieqnes Dikaio. Einai se apolyth armonia me ayto poy qa ekane kaqe xwra h opoia sebetai tis Dieqneis Synqhkes, sebetai thn kyriarxia twn allwn kratwn. Eklhqhsan ta maxhtika aeroskafh apo th nomimh kypriakh kybernhsh. Egine ayth h ekpaideytikh pthsh. Oloklhrwqhke ayth h pthsh. Den dikaiologeitai opoiadhpote antidrash, poly perissotero otan h antidrash ayth einai se tetoio baqmo kai me tetoia diastash gegonotwn poy den exei kamia sxesh me ton teleiws akindyno tropo me ton opoio egine h pthsh twn ellhnikwn aeroskafwn sthn Kypro.

MPOYATAR: Sxetika me mia plhroforia poy metadidetai apo to prwi oti perimenoyme entos dekahmeroy to amerikaniko aeroplanoforo Aizenxaoyer, exete kapoia epibebaiwsh;

REPPAS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, mporw na thn epibebaiwsw.

MPOYATAR: Pote;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw akribws thn hmera.

MPOYATAR: Alla einai se sxesh me thn entash....

REPPAS: H pleysh toy amerikanikoy ploioy sthn perioxh sxetizetai me tis ejelijeis sto Kosyfopedio.

MPOYATAR: Htan programmatismeno na ginei;

REPPAS: Profanws, den apofasisqhke xqes h proxqes.

GYPARH: Eixe ceydh eikona h ka Papandreoy, otan milwntas se kommatikh ekdhlwsh eipe oti h xwra mas htan apomonwmenh sth Synodo Koryfhs;

REPPAS: Oi metexontes s` ayth th Synodo, epeidh, akribws exoyn amesh gnwsh twn gegonotwn, mporoyn na paroysiazoyn to pws ejelixqhkan ta pragmata ekei me ton pio ajiopisto tropo. Asfalws, to oti yparxoyn dynameis oi opoies ekfrazoyn thn antiqesh kai th diafwnia toys -me entono, syxna, diplwmatiko, politiko, bebaiws, alla entono tropo- stis qeseis ths ellhnikhs Kybernhshs, ayto einai ena qema, to opoio mas apasxolei, to lambanoyme sobara ypoch mas kai poly swsta h ka Papandreoy eipe pws ayto einai ena problhma, to opoio den mporei na to agnohsei kaneis. Alla, to problhma ayto, mhn jexnate oti dhmioyrgeitai kaqws emeis prowqoyme mia politikh h opoia einai symfwnh me ta eqnika symferonta alla kai me ta isxyonta sto plaisio leitoyrgias ths E. E. Den prepei na jenizei kanenan. Ara, loipon, einai ena stoixhma to opoio exoyme diarkws mprosta mas kai qa prepei na to kerdizoyme. Etsi wste, oloi na akoyn tis apoceis mas, na tis katanooyn, akoma perissotero, -makari na to epityxoyme kai ayto- na symfwnoyn me tis apoceis mas kai na taytizontai me aytes. Aytos einai o stoxos mas kai gi` ayto ergazomaste, allwste.

KIAOS: Me apofash poioy paragontos eite kybernhtikoy, eite stratiwtikoy toy Pentagwnoy, petajan ta F-16 gia thn Kypro;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti ayto egine meta apo synennohsh twn dyo kybernhsewn. H kypriakh kai h ellhnikh Kybernhsh, sto plaisio ths synergasias toys -poy einai diarkhs, monimh kai nomimh- odhghqhkan se ayto to sxedio twn ekpaideytikwn pthsewn, oi opoies kai pragmatopoihqhkan.

KIAOS: Egw sas rwthsa apo poion elhfqh apo elladikhs pleyras gia na to sygkekrimenopoihsw h apofash kai petajan ta aeroplana, ta tessera F-16 sthn ekpaideytikh ayth pthsh.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala, oti thn ellhnikh Kybernhsh gia ta diafora epimeroys qemata thn ekfrazei sthn politikh ths o armodios Ypoyrgos. En prokeimenw to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynhs, poy exei ayth thn epikoinwnia me tis armodies arxes ths Kyproy, htan ayto to opoio efarmose ayto to sxedio.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Meta apo synennohsh;

REPPAS: Asfalws, apanthsa gi` ayto. Htan qema synennohsews twn dyo kybernhsewn. Gnwrizete poly kala, oti thn politikh stoys epimeroys tomeis, thn efarmozei to kaqe Ypoyrgeio.

KIAOS: An eixe enhmerwqei ep` aytoy o Prwqypoyrgos otan htan sto Karntif;

REPPAS: Apanthsa gi` ayta. Eipa apo thn prwth hmera oti htan h synennohsh twn dyo kybernhsewn ayth h opoia odhghse sthn ylopoihsh twn pthsewn twn maxhtikwn aeroskafwn.

KIAOS: Egw rwthsa gia ton Prwqypoyrgo.

REPPAS: Apanthsa gi` ayto. Otan milw gia thn Kybernhsh, lete na yparxei Kybernhsh me thn opoia diafwnei o Prwqypoyrgos;

KIAOS: Egw den eipa ayto. Egw rwtaw.

REPPAS: Me kaleite na apanthsw se mia erwthsh, h opoia ypokryptei kai mia tetoia ektimhsh.

KIAOS: Ti ginetai me thn ereyna h poy brisketai h diadikasia kai oson afora to dikastiko, to eisaggeliko meros kai oson afora thn ereyna mesa sthn Astynomia gia thn prosfath dolofonikh epiqesh enantion toy foithth toy Koysoyrh kai twn allwn, ejw apo ta dikasthria;

REPPAS: H ereyna, ej oswn gnwrizw, den exei oloklhrwqei. Qa exete th dynatothta kai eseis kai oloi mas, na parakoloyqhsoyme thn ejelijh ayths ths ereynas kai na eimaste gnwstes twn porismatwn ths.

KIAOS: An shmeiwqhke proodos sthn ereyna poy ginetai apo pleyras dikastikhs gia toys enoxoys.

REPPAS: Den exw kati perissotero, giati -opws gnwrizete- den mporw na exw prosbash sta dikografa, sta eggrafa mias proanakrishs poy diejagetai kai me thn opoia asxoloyntai ta entetalmena organa.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Skeftetai h Kybernhsh na eyxaristhsei ton k. Kokkalh giati prosefere perissotera xrhmata ap' osa proeblepe h symbash gia to JYSTO; REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala, oti o tropos me ton opoio qetete thn erwthsh sas, den moy epitrepei na dwsw opoiadhpote apanthsh kai den dinw kamia apanthsh giati pisteyw oti ola ayta ta qemata ta parakoloyqei o ellhnikos laos. O kaqenas exei tis apoceis toy. Yparxei, omws, mia pragmatikothta h opoia apotelei kai thn kalyterh apanthsh. Einai h pragmatikothta ths diafaneias, ths amerolhcias, ths antikeimenikothtas, alla kai ths eisrohs sto Dhmosio Tameio shmantikwn xrhmatikwn poswn, pragma to opoio, otan ginetai me antikeimenikothta kai diafaneia, mono ws eyxaristo gegonos mporei na xairetizetai. Oxi, omws, me to pneyma poy eseis eixate symperilabei sthn erwthsh sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Edwse o Prwqypoyrgos peraiterw ejhghseis, shmera, sthn Epitroph gia to thlefwnhma apo ton k. Klinton;

REPPAS: Oxi, den ekane kapoia anafora. Allwste, ayto einai gnwsto. Exei dwsei analytikh enhmerwsh o Prwqypoyrgos apo thn prwth hmera, sto plaisio ths synenteyjhs poy edwse.

STAMATOPOYLOS: An edwse...

REPPAS: Oxi. Apla anaferqhke sta gegonota ayta sta opoia oloi exoyn prosbash enhmerwshs apo tis prohgoymenes hmeres.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poios einai aytos, o fysei kai qesei Ellhnas prodoths sthn Komision;

REPPAS: Apanthse gi` ayto o k. Pagkalos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Na mas pei h Kybernhsh poios einai.

REPPAS: Ma, sas apanthse o k. Pagkalos, xqes, s` ayto to qema. Den ton rwthsate kai apanthse; Edwse kapoia apanthsh. Ayth h apanthsh isxyei. Den allajei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw rwtaw h Kybernhsh ton jerei ayton ton prodoth, na fylagomaste kai emeis;

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos sthn Kybernhsh einai. Einai Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn toy opoioy to synoliko qetiko ergo den prepei oydeis na parakamcei.

KARAKWSTAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, synexizei na paramenei sth qesh toy o sygkekrimenos ypallhlos;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw poios einai o sygkekrimenos ypallhlos.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Alla, lete oti h Kybernhsh ton gnwrizei.

REPPAS: Ma, h Kybernhsh leei oti h apanthsh poy edwse o k. Pagkalos einai h apanthsh toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn. O Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn einai melos ths Kybernhshs, den einai allo Kybernhsh kai allo Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn. Gi` ayto to qema, loipon, isxyei h apanthsh poy exei dwsei o k. Pagkalos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai dynaton enas ypallhlos ths Komision na anatrecei to beto, poy den mporesan 14 xwres; Den einai asteio ayto poy eipe o k. Pagkalos kai na mh leei kai to onoma;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola den prepei na eiste toso kathgorhmatikos, prokeimenoy na ermhneyete to ti einai ayto to opoio apotelese thn aformh h thn aitia gia na pei o k. Pagkalos ayto to opoio eipe. O k. Pagkalos eipe kati. Dexqhke erwthsh gi` ayto to opoio eipe. Apanthse kai h apanthsh ayth paramenei kai thn exete ypoch sas.

KANELLAKHS: Yphrje thlefwnikh epikoinwnia Shmith-Mpler;

REPPAS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, oxi.

KYRIAKIDOY: Gia thn Ionikh hqela na rwthsw. Prohgoymenws, eipate oti pisteyete oti qa epanalhfqei shmera h syneleysh twn metoxwn. Ayto poy to gnwrizete, efoson eipate oti anamenetai h ekdosh apofashs dikastikhs arxhs;

REPPAS: Sto oti h pleiochfia twn Metoxwn exei ekfrasei thn epiqymia na labei apofash shmera epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos. Apla, qelei na dhmioyrghqoyn oi oroi kai oi proypoqeseis, wste xwris kindyno ths swmatikhs akeraiothtas twn metoxwn, na leitoyrghsei h Genikh Syneleysh kai na lhfqei apofash. Ayto pisteyoyme oti mporei kai prepei na to diasfalizei h Politeia se ena Swma to opoio qelei na synelqei gia na labei mia apofash epi sygkekrimenoy qematos.

KYRIAKIDOY: H Dikastikh Arxh ti akribws prokeitai na apofasisei;

REPPAS: H Dikastikh Arxh einai ayth h opoia mporei na eggyhqei tis diadikasies me tis opoies qa oloklhrwqei ayth h Genikh Syneleysh kai qa lhfqoyn oi apofaseis.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Aytepaggelta exei drasthriopoihqei, dhladh, h Eisaggelikh Arxh;

REPPAS: Asfalws, se kaqe periptwsh, otan einai paroysa h Eisaggelikh Arxh kai diapistwnei th diaprajh ajiopoinwn prajewn, antilambaneste pws exei logo na parembei.

KYRIAKIDOY: Lete oti oi mikres omades syntexniakes den prokeitai na anakocoyn thn poreia ths Kybernhshs s` ayta ta qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn ONE. Shmera, omws, to prwi den anakophke mia sobarh synanthsh logw mias syntexniakhs omadas;

REPPAS: Gi` ayto akribws eipame oti entos ths hmeras kalo einai kai prepei na oloklhrwqei h diadikasia kai na lhfqei apofash. Mporei na exoyme mia metakinhsh gia liges wres, oson afora th lhch ths apofashs, alla pisteyoyme oti entos ths hmeras, qa lhfqei h apofash.

KIAOS: Ayto poy lete den prokaqorizei th dikastikh apofash;

REPPAS: Kaqoloy den prokaqorizei th dikastikh apofash. Egw basizomai se ena sygkekrimeno pragmatiko gegonos to opoio afora thn ekfrasmenh qelhsh ths pleiochfias twn metoxwn na labei sygkekrimenh apofash epi toy qematos. Kai h sygkekrimenh ayth apofash epi toy qematos kineitai sthn kateyqynsh ths pwlhshs ths Ionikhs Trapezas. Ayto einai gnwsto.

KIAOS: Ayto einai allo epixeirhma. To problhma einai, apo th stigmh poy yparxei ekkremhs dikastikh apofash, eseis to eipate...

REPPAS: Den yparxei kamia dikastikh apofash. H Dikastikh Arxh, eipa, qa parembei, prokeimenoy na yparjoyn oles oi eggyhseis gia na diejaxqei h diadikasia.

KIAOS: Kai pws prokaqorizetai oti qa dwsei thn entolh;

REPPAS: Lete na yparxei Dikastikh Arxh h opoia qa pei oti den analambanei kamia eyqynh, prokeimenoy na diafylaxqei h swmatikh akeraiothta twn metoxwn; Gi` ayto akribws yparxoyn, metajy twn allwn, kai oi Dikastikes Arxes. Gia na eggywntai th dynatothta enos ekastoy ej hmwn na lambanei meros, me dhmokratiko tropo kai na askei ta atomika toy dikaiwmata, se tetoies syllogikes drasthriothtes.

KIAOS: Eseis, oysiastika prokaqorizete ti qa pei...

REPPAS: Oxi, k. Kiao, den prokaqorizw. Egw milhsa gia thn pleiochfia poy exei dhmioyrghqei entos toy swmatos ths Genikhs Syneleyshs. To ena einai ayto. Kai einai allo to qema twn eggyhsewn ths dikastikhs prostasias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poy to jerete oti qa arxisei, pali; Mporei na parei apofash na mhn arxisei.

REPPAS: H apofash gia th dienergeia ths Genikhs Syneleyshs, exei lhfqei apo toys metoxoys. Den apofasizei opoiosdhpote tritos gia to an qa ginei h Genikh Syneleysh h oxi. H Dikastikh Arxh, otan kaleitai, parembainei, prokeimenoy na ejasfalistoyn oi eggyhseis gia na ginei h Genikh Syneleysh.

FILHS: Ti einai ekeino poy sas kanei na pisteyete oti h Dikastikh Arxh qa apofasisei na ginei shmera h Syneleysh kai oxi th Deytera h thn Trith h meta apo 20 hmeres, poy einai kai h nomimh anabolh;

REPPAS: To qema ths Genikhs Syneleyshs, to apofasizoyn oi idioi oi metoxoi. H Dikastikh Arxh parembainei apo thn wra poy yparxei parakwlysh twn diadikasiwn, prokeimenoy na diasfalisei thn anempodisth symmetoxh twn metoxwn, wste na diejaxqei h Genikh Syneleysh.

FILHS: H erwthsh einai: Poia metra qa labei h Dikastikh Arxh; Qa apagoreysei, gia paradeigma, stoys ergazomenoys Metoxoys, opws eixe zhthsei to Dioikhtiko Symboylio ths Emporikhs kai aperrifqh to aithma toy;

REPPAS: Ayto den mporw na to pw egw.

FILHS: Eseis proejofleite...

REPPAS: Egw proejoflw oti oi Dikastikes Arxes eggywntai -gi` ayto yparxoyn, metajy twn allwn -thn akwlyth diejagwgh tetoiwn diadikasiwn.

FILHS: H erwthsh poy sas qetw einai: Pws proejofleite oti to dikasthrio qa pei oti shmera qa ginei h Syneleysh;

REPPAS: Ma, gi` ayto to qema exoyn ekfrasei thn epiqymia toys oi metoxoi ths Ionikhs Trapezas. Peri aytoy omilw.

FILHS: Oi metoxoi synhlqan se Genikh Syneleysh h opoia, me ta gnwsta epeisodia, dialyqhke ayth h Syneleysh. Den yparxei, pleon, diadikasia poy na leei oti qa janaginei Genikh Syneleysh.

REPPAS: Diakophke h Syneleysh ayth, epeidh me biaio tropo kapoioi prospaqhsan na empodisoyn thn ejelijh ths.

FILHS: Diekoph gia na pioyn kafe kai tsai oi metoxoi;

REPPAS: Gia toys logoys toys opoioys eipa.

FILHS: Mas eipate diakophke. H erwthsh einai safhs...

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, leipate sthn arxh kai den eiste arketa enhmerwmenos. Ta syzhthsame ayta ta qemata.

FILHS: Prin apo merikes hmeres mas legate...

REPPAS: Allh erwthsh. Apanthsa gi` ayto to qema me leptomereies. Kai sthn arxh syzhthsame to qema, otan ekana mia enhmerwsh kai argotera apanthsa se sxetikes erwthseis. Epanerxeste se idia qemata.

FILHS: Eipate oti edw yparxoyn nomoi. Kai oi nomoi lene...

REPPAS: Xairw poly k. Filh. Se alloys na to peite ayto, mhn to lete se mena. Ston eayto sas na to peite. Kai parakalw, toys nomoys na toys sebomaste kai na toys throyme, alla kai na miloyme gi` aytoys me thn idia eyaisqhsia me thn opoia fainetai oti toys yperaspizeste twra.

FILHS: Mataiwqeishs ths Genikhs Syneleyshs, h epanalhch ginetai, toylaxiston, meta apo 20 hmeres.

REPPAS: Exoyme diakoph gia logoys anwterhs bias oi opoioi den htan dynato na problefqoyn. H Dikastikh Arxh qa eggyhqei thn omalh diejagwgh ths Genikhs Syneleyshs. Ayto einai aytonohto.

FILHS: An gnwrizete, akribws, pio einai to aithma sygkekrimena twn metoxwn, mallon toy Ekproswpoy ths Emporikhs, toy Dieyqynth ths Emporikhs pros th Dikastikh Arxh. Ti akribws zhtaei.

REPPAS: Na diafylaxqei h swmatikh akeraiothta twn Metoxwn, wste na mporoyn, anempodista, na synedriasoyn kai na laboyn apofash. To lew tosh wra.

FILHS: Mporoyn na mpoyn MAT sth Genikh Syneleysh ths Emporikhs;

REPPAS: Mia kai milame gia nomoys, mporeite na moy peite sas parakalw, k. Filh, an einai dikaiwma twn metoxwn, na synerxontai anempodista kai na apofasizoyn epi sygkekrimenoy qematos;

FILHS: Apolytws, syntagmatiko.

REPPAS: Einai dikaiwma opoioydhpote alloy na empodizei thn pleiochfia na labei mia sygkekrimenh apofash epi toy qematos poy apasxolei to Swma;

FILHS: Yparxoyn nomikes proypoqeseis.

REPPAS: Oi nomikes proypoqeseis arxizoyn kai ejantloyntai sto orio ekeino poy kaqenas leei anempodista thn apoch toy kai dinei thn chfo toy sth qesh ekeinh h opoia ton ekfrazei. Den fqanoyn peran toy orioy aytoy, dhladh, sto shmeio ekeino, opoy pleon empodizei ton allo na ekfrazei kai ekeinos eleyqera thn apoch toy kai na dinei thn chfo toy sth qesh h opoia ton ekfrazei. Ayta einai prwtakoysta pragmata. Kai lypoymai poy ta akoyw apo esas, oi opoioi deixnete toso megalh eyaisqhsia gia thn thrhsh twn nomwn. Ayth h eylabeia, qa moy epitrecete na pw, einai ypokritikh. Kai epidiwkete th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn, parablepontas oti edw exoyme metoxoys poy exoyn to ligotero toy 1% toy Metoxikoy Kefalaioy ths Ionikhs Trapezas, oi opoioi empodizoyn me kaqe tropo, biaio, paranomo, anomo, toys poly perissoteroys, na laboyn mia apofash. Ayto einai aparadekto.

FILHS: Epeidh eimaste yper ths agoras oloi edw pera, jerete, pagkosmiws kai sthn Ellada oti...

REPPAS: Yper ths agoras eimaste, alla na mh ginomaste agoraioi, k. Filh.

FILHS: To aithma poy ypoballei h Dioikhsh ths Emporikhs, an katalaba kala, einai: Na synelqei shmera h Genikh Syneleysh apokleiomenwn twn metoxwn toy 1%;

REPPAS: Asfalws, oxi. Alla h symmetoxh twn metoxwn poy exoyn to ligotero apo 1% den mporei na ekdhlwnetai me enan tetoio tropo, wste na empodizei aytoys poy exoyn to syntriptika pleiochfika pososto na leitoyrghsoyn kai na laboyn apofash. Sas kalw na katadikasete, loipon, ayth th mikrh meiochfia, h opoia meterxetai tetoia paranoma mesa, empodizontas th Genikh Syneleysh na diejaxqei omala. Giati den to kanete eyqarsws kai eyqews oloi; Giati den kaythriazete aytes tis symperifores kai paramenete apaqeis parathrhtes;

KIAOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, edw rwtame gia na maqoyme. O rolos mas einai na rwtame. Ti einai ayta ta pragmata;

REPPAS: Ta antilambaneste, alla den ta kaythriazete.

MIXAHL: Qelw na rwthsw ean mas qewreite ekproswpoys forewn poy prepei na pairnoyn qesh qetikh h arnhtikh, eite yper toy katw toy 1%, eite yper ths pleiochfias, eite yper ths Kybernhshs h yper ths antipoliteyshs. Emeis qetoyme erwthseis kai qeloyme apanthseis. Dwsate apanthseis; Katagrafontai.

REPPAS: Wraia! Ayto to opoio, omws, mas desmeyei oloys einai na miloyme yper twn nomwn kai na dexomaste thn arxh oti o kaqenas prepei...

KIAOS: Ti einai ayto to pragma k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Sas parakalw, giati me diakoptete;

KIAOS: Ma, lete oti eimaste ypoxrewmenoi...

REPPAS: Bebaiws eimaste ypoxrewmenoi.

KIAOS: Apo poion;

REPPAS: O kaqenas apo to aisqhma eyqynhs poy ton diakatexei na sebetai kai na threi me eylabeia toys nomoys kai na askei o kaqenas to syntagmatiko dikaiwma toy me tetoio tropo, poy na epitrepei kai stoys sympolites toy na askoyn kai ekeinoi anempodista, ta dika toys atomika kai dhmokratika dikaiwmata. Ayto den einai kanonas poy isxyei gia oloys; Kai sas kalw se mia qesh koinh. Den nomizete oti prepei na throyme oloi ayth thn koinh qesh;

FILHS: An gnwrizete sto aithma twn ekproswpwn ths Emporikhs Trapezas sto dikasthrio, perilambanetai h lhch astynomikwn metrwn mesa sthn aiqoysa ths Genikhs Syneleyshs;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw leptomereies k. Filh. Ayto to opoio, omws, gnwrizw einai oti kanonas ths Dhmokratias einai, metajy twn allwn kai aytos: Kaqenas na askei tis nomimes drasthriothtes toy, xwris na ton empodizei opoiosdhpote allos. Kai otan empodizetai, qa prepei na syntrexoyn ayton ton enan poy qelei na askhsei ta dikaiwmata toy, oloi ekeinoi oi mhxanismoi poy yparxoyn kai leitoyrgoyn, sto plaisio toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn, prokeimenoy na einai apotelesmatikes aytes oi diadikasies. Oyai kai alimono, an yparxei diaforetikh apoch.

Eyxaristw poly kai kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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