Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-06-18

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 18.6.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Gnwrizete tis shmerines synergasies toy Prwqypoyrgoy, gia tis opoies sas exw enhmerwsei.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KIAOS: O Ekproswpos ths Oyasigkton k. Makeri, eipe oti o k. Mpler eipe ston k. Klinton na thlefwnhsei ston k. Shmith. Eseis ti lete ep' aytoy;

REPPAS: Afoy to eipe, etsi qa einai. Egw eipa, xqes, oti synhqizetai oi hgetes na miloyn metajy toys. Kai otan milhsa gia thn epikoinwnia toy Proedroy Klinton me ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo, prosqesa oti, logiko einai na epikoinwnoyn metajy toys oi hgetes. Den einai mono o k. Klinton me ton k. Shmith poy eixan ayth thn epikoinwnia. Sas lew oti den gnwrizw stoixeia, alla mporw basima na to ypoqesw. Ayto akribws eipa.

KIAOS: Xqes, den to jerate otan mas legate ayto to pragma;

REPPAS: Asfalws, oxi. Oyte twra to gnwrizw.

KIAOS: Dhladh, o Prwqypoyrgos den anefere ayto to pragma se kanenan apo toys synergates toy;

REPPAS: Asfalws, oxi. Eimai kathgorhmatikos. Den gnwrize o Prwqypoyrgos kai twra akomh den gnwrizei -peran twn oswn eipe o Ekproswpos ths amerikanikhs Kybernhshs- an yphrxe prohgoymenh synennohsh toy k. Klinton me ton k. Mpler.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes eseis eipate oti den yphrje kamia piesh kai kamia parembash. Meta apo ayto to thlefwnhma giati allaje th stash ths h Ellada, enanti ths Toyrkias;

REPPAS: Den allaje th stash ths h Ellada. Kamia stash den allaje h Ellada kai ayto akribws apodeiknyei oti h politikh, thn opoia akoloyqoyme me synepeia kai staqerothta, apodidei. Epeidh, akribws, diakrinetai peran ths orqothtas toy periexomenoy ths kai gia th staqerothta kai th synepeia me thn opoia yperaspizomaste kai prowqoyme ayth thn politikh. Ayto einai ena stoixeio, to opoio odhgei se epityxia mia politikh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Amerikanos Ekproswpos, omws, eipe oti meta thn parembash toy k. Klinton, allaje h stash ths Elladas sto qema ths eisdoxhs ths Toyrkias sthn E. E. To diaceydete ayto;

REPPAS: Ma, gnwrizete oti oi apofaseis poy elabe h Synodos Koryfhs toy Karntif, einai epanalhch twn qesewn ths E. E. idiws twn qesewn poy elhfqhsan sth Synodo Koryfhs toy Loyjemboyrgoy. Den exei allajei tipota, oson afora tis eyrw-toyrkikes sxeseis. Ayto einai pagkoinws gnwsto. Den xreiazetai na to syzhtoyme peraiterw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ke Ypoyrge, sto arqro 63, poy perase, den perilambanontai aytes oi treis periptwseis, poy proeblepe to Loyjemboyrgo.

REPPAS: Mporeite na moy peite ti perilambanei to arqro 63;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Symfwna me toys oroys, opws leei h agglikh Proedria, toy arqroy aytoy, to teliko anakoinwqen, anagnwristhke h ypochfiothta ths Toyrkias. Einai h den einai alhqeia;

REPPAS: Poy anaferetai ayto to opoio eipate, oti anagnwristhke h ypochfiothta ths Toyrkias; Mporeite na moy peite, sto keimeno twn symperasmatwn toy Symboylioy Koryfhs toy Karntif, poy anaferetai ayto;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den anaferontai oi apagoreyseis toy Loyjemboyrgoy.

REPPAS: Isa-isa anaferetai, metajy twn allwn, oti kai ta krithria ta opoia apofasisthkan sthn Synodo Koryfhs toy Loyjemboyrgoy, qa lhfqoyn ypoch, prokeimenoy na ejetastei h sxesh ths Toyrkias me thn E. E. Ayto anaferetai safws. Mhn epimenete.

SOYRMELH: Pote, poia mera, erxontai o k. Xolmproyk kai o k. Miler sthn Aqhna;

REPPAS: Oi kyrioi Xolmproyk kai Miler, qa briskontai edw thn erxomenh Deytera (22.6). Den einai proskeklhmenoi ths ellhnikhs Kybernhshs. Exei programmatistei omilia toy k. Xolmproyk se panepisthmiako idryma. Bebaiws, me thn eykairia ths episkechs, qa exoyn epafh kai me thn politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn.

SOYGLERHS: Ektima h ellhnikh Kybernhsh oti h parembash toy k. Mpler pros ton k. Klinton, htan syntonismenh energeia, gia na ginei parembash sthn ellhnikh pleyra;

REPPAS: Prwta ap' ola den dikaioymai na th xarakthrisw ws parembash. Mporw na ypoqesw oti exoyn epikoinwnia oi dyo hgetes kai sto plaisio ths epikoinwnias syzhtoyn diafora qemata koinoy endiaferontos. Ena tetoio nohma eixe kai h sygkekrimenh syzhthsh toys.

BITSENTZOY: Mia dieykrinish: O k. Xolmproyk, poy qa erqei, qa dei ton Prwqypoyrgo;

REPPAS: Oxi.

BITSENTZOY: Sas rwthsa, xqes, ean h metabash kai paramonh sthn Pafo twn ellhnikwn maxhtikwn htan symptwmatikh. Epanerxomai shmera, meta tis xqesinobradines ejelijeis sthn Toyrkia kai tis sxetikes antidraseis ths, hqela na epanelqw gia na rwthsw ean ekrine h ellhnikh Kybernhsh, pws htan twra h katallhlh stigmh kai h swsth sygkyria, gia na ypenqymisei me ayton ton tropo thn yparjh toy Eniaioy Amyntikoy Dogmatos;

REPPAS: Ayto einai kekthmeno, einai dedomeno. Den exoyme kanena logo na to ypenqymizoyme. Einai kati to opoio leitoyrgei kai apodidei karpoys. Den einai qema na krinoyme, kaqe fora, an h stigmh einai katallhlh h akatallhlh. Oles oi stigmes einai katallhles gia kati, to opoio einai fysiko, einai nomimo, to dikaioytai h Kypros kai h Ellada.

S. MPERMPERAKHS: Hqela na rwthsw pws sxoliazei h ellhnikh Kybernhsh tis toyrkikes antidraseis gia thn paroysia twn F-16 sthn Kypro;

REPPAS: H stash twn Toyrkwn apodeiknyei afenos, oti den einai diateqeimenoi na symballoyn se ektonwsh ths entashs poy yparxei stis ellhno-toyrkikes sxeseis kai afeteroy, den qeloyn na symbaloyn sthn prospaqeia anazhthshs lyshs gia to Kypriako problhma. Ayto apotelei xarakthristiko ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths Toyrkias, edw kai arketo kairo. Barainei thn Toyrkia. Den nomizw oti mporei na apofygei h Toyrkia na analabei tis eyqynes ths me tetoia texnasmata. Qa prepei, epiteloys, na dei, enwpios enwpiw, to problhma kai na kanei ta bhmata poy ths analogoyn, prokeimenoy kai apo th dikh ths pleyra, na deijei oti symballei se ayth thn prospaqeia poy kanei o dieqnhs paragontas, gia na doqei, epiteloys, lysh sto limnazon Kypriako qema.

S. MPERMPERAKHS: Kai h apofash, twn ellhnikwn aeroskafwn poy phgan sthn Kypro, htan ths ellhnikhs Kybernhshs, ths Kypriakhs h htan apo koinoy;;

REPPAS: Apanthsa, xqes, s' ayto, oti yphrje synennohsh twn dyo Kybernhsewn. H nomimh Kybernhsh ths Kyproy edwse thn adeia ths, prokeimenoy ta ellhnika maxhtika aeroskafh na petajoyn kai na prosgeiwqoyn sthn Kypro. Kai gnwrizete oti sthn Kypro yparxei mia Kybernhsh.

FILHS: Eimaste martyres orismenwn gegonotwn poy pera apo thn hqikh, exoyn kai politikes proektaseis poly sobares. Kai anaferomai ston traymatismo toy foithth, poy perna krisimes wres, proxqes ejw apo ta Dikasthria ths Sxolhs Eyelpidwn, dhladh, ena xwro poy fylassetai poly kala apo astynomikes dynameis. Opws kataggelloyn syggeneis toy qymatos, h epiqesh poy dexqhke apo toys agnwstoys h omada twn newn, metajy twn opoiwn kai o traymatisqeis foithths, egine mprosta sta apaqh blemmata twn astynomikwn dynamewn. To idio twra to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajews ebgale anakoinwsh kai leei oti, eixe fygei ena tetarto prin h Astynomia k. lp. Den exei shmasia to astynomiko meros, sto oysiastiko meros qelw na rwthsw. Ean h Kybernhsh eggyatai thn asfaleia twn politwn apo th drash parakratikwn organwsewn.

REPPAS: Ekfrazoyme th lyph mas gia ta symbanta ayta. Tis teleytaies hmeres dexqhkan epiqeseis kai o Proedros ths OLME kai oi neoi aytoi, metajy twn opoiwn o enas, o foithths, brisketai pragmatika se poly dyskolh katastash, se nosokomeiako idryma. Aytes oi aproklhtes epiqeseis mas gyrizoyn poly pisw. Den tis apodokimazoyme apla. Isa-isa noiwqoyme akomh megalyterh thn eyqynh mas na antidrasoyme me enan tropo apotelesmatiko, wste na ejaleifqoyn ayta ta fainomena, ta opoia den exoyn kamia sxesh me th dhmokratia kai me th dynatothta poy exei kaqe poliths na ekfrazei eleyqera tis apoceis toy kai na anaptyssei nomimes drasthriothtes, prokeimenoy na probalei tis qeseis toy. Yparxei h analytikh anakoinwsh apo to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs. O ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs epanhlqe, shmera, kai eipe oti qa einai olo ayto to anakritiko yliko sth diaqesh twn Eisaggelikwn Arxwn, wste -metajy twn allwn- na ejetastei kai ayth h parametros, ths piqanhs h endexomenhs oligwrias organwn ths Astynomias na paremboyn kai na antimetwpisoyn, apotelesmatika kai egkairws, ayto to epeisodio. Prepei na eimaste para poly sygkrathmenoi, afoy einai se ejelijh ayth h ereyna, h opoia ginetai sto plaisio ths Astynomias sthn prwth fash ths. Ayto to opoio, omws, prepei na kanoyme einai na epishmanoyme: Prwton, oti tetoioy eidoys fainomena exoyme eyqynh na symbaloyme oloi, wste na pacoyn na yparxoyn. Kai deyteron, na problhmatistoyme gia to oti, pera apo ta oria toy nomoy, kapoioi anaptyssoyn th drasthriothta toys, dinontas etsi to enaysma gia mia genikeymenh stash kai symperifora, h opoia exei xarakthristika anomias. Prepei na pw oti ta qemata ayta, epeidh akribws yparxoyn kai qymata, ta opoia dexontai tis epiqeseis, kalo einai na ta antimetwpizoyme me idiaiterh eyaisqhsia kai na eimaste sygkrathmenoi. Giati, alliws, mporei na odhghqoyme se bebiasmena symperasmata, ta opoia kaqe allo para bohqoyn.

FILHS: Poia stoixeia einai ekeina poy ekanan ton k. Rwmaio na allajei qesh kai enw xqes kathgoroyse ekeinoys oi opoioi texnhentws syndeoyn thn Astynomia me thn apopeira dolofonias, shmera na leei oti qa to ereynhsei;

REPPAS: Den katalabate ti eipa. Den exei kamia sxesh h Astynomia h organa ths me thn epiqesh enantion toy neoy, me thn ennoia oti aytoi htan oi drastes ths epiqeshs. H Astynomia qa elegxqei an, enw organa ths htan konta sthn perioxh kai mporoysan na drasoyn pio egkaira kai apotelesmatika, den to eprajan. To oti den eixan sxesh me thn Astynomia ekeinoi oi opoioi epeteqhsan stoys atyxoys neoys, ayto einai bebaio.

FILHS: Poy to gnwrizei ayto h Astynomia;

REPPAS: Gnwrizei oti den htan ekei oi astynomikes dynameis gia na mporoyn na proboyn se tetoies prajeis. Exei ginei mia leptomerestath anakoinwsh apo to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs, opoy mesa apo thn ajiologhsh twn stoixeiwn kai se syndyasmo toy enos stoixeioy me to allo, mporei kapoios na kanei kapoies ypoqeseis. Prepei na sas pw ena stoixeio, to opoio dinw sth dhmosiothta, oti ta sygkekrimena atoma -ta opoia ferontai ws melh ths organwshs "Xrysh Aygh"- ginetai prospaqeia na entopisqoyn kai den exoyn entopisqei akomh. Ayto shmainei oti oi idioi gnwrizoyn pws h drasthriothta toys, ekeines tis wres, exei apotelesei antikeimeno ereynas kai gi' ayto akribws krybontai, gia na apofygoyn ton entopismo kai th syllhch toys.

FILHS: To gegonos oti htan astynomikes dynameis, me bash to sxedio...

REPPAS: Prepei na poyme, ke Filh, oti h epiqesh ayth den egine sto xwro ths Sxolhs Eyelpidwn...

FILHS: Apenanti.

REPPAS: Egine arketa metra makria, se ena kafeneio. Gnwrizete poly kala, oti o xwros aytos brisketai se apostash kapoiwn metrwn apo to ktiriako sygkrothma twn dikasthriwn den einai xwros poy fylassetai. O xwros ths Sxolhs Eyelpidwn, mporei na pei kapoios, oti fylassetai. Alla den einai o xwros aytos opoy egine h epiqesh. Na to dieykrinisoyme ayto, giati sthn arxh eipate oti einai enas xwros o opoios fylassetai poly kala kai pws einai dynato na ginetai pedio tetoiwn epiqetikwn energeiwn.

FILHS: Apokleiete to endexomeno diaplokwn anamesa se organwseis neofasistikes kai organa ths Astynomias;

REPPAS: Ayto den prokyptei apo poyqena. Giati na kanoyme toso tolmhres ypoqeseis, oi opoies kaqe allo para bohqoyn ayth thn wra.

FILHS: Apo prohgoymenes koines emfaniseis...

REPPAS: Mhn epimenete, ke Filh, den prokyptei apo poyqena. Otan yparxoyn fainomena, gnwrizete poly kala, oti antimetwpizontai amesws kai apofasistika. Einai adiko omws, idiws ayth thn periodo poy gnwrizete poies einai oi ejelijeis, na apodidoyme me tetoio eykolo tropo -mesa apo ypoqeseis, dhmioyrgwntas entypwseis- kathgories kata ths Astynomias. Den prokyptei apo poyqena.

FILHS: Den kathgoroyme syllhbdhn thn Astynomia...

REPPAS: Kathgoreite organa ths Astynomias, xwris na exete opoiadhpote epixeirhmata.

ELENOPOYLOS: Ke Ypoyrge, pantws nomizw oti kai gia sas qa einai ligo, etsi eylogo, to erwthmatiko. Pws einai dynaton -epeidh kai eseis to eixate qijei, edw kai arketes hmeres- to gegonos oti h Astynomia gnwrizei pws stis diadhlwseis enantion twn kaqhghtwn symmeteixan kai mh ekpaideytikoi kai na mhn mporei na entopisei mia xoyfta anqrwpoys;

REPPAS: Den antilambanomai thn erwthsh sas. Den to gnwrizei mono h Astynomia, to gnwrizw kai egw oti symmeteixan stis kinhtopoihseis diaforwn kathgoriwn atoma ta opoia den eixan sxesh me th sygkekrimenh koinwnikh kathgoria. Ayto egine kai sthn periptwsh twn apergwn ths IONIKHS kai sthn periptwsh ths apergias twn ekpaideytikwn. Einai kati poy to gnwrizete kai eseis. Den einai kainoyrgio ayto. Mhn to anaferete ws stoixeio, prokeimenoy etsi na enisxysete ta epixeirhmata sas. Den prokyptei apo poyqena kati antiqeto.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na epimeinw s' ayto poy elege o k. Filhs: oi kyrioi aytoi oi opoioi ktyphsan toys foithtes, den eixan diakritiko ti htan. Mporei na htan giatroi, mporei na htan dikhgoroi, mporei na htan anergoi. Pws apokleiete sygkekrimena enan epaggelmatiko xwro, opws einai h Astynomia; Giati lete me tosh eykolia kai me tosh sigoyria, oti den htan toylaxiston ena pragma: dhladh anqrwpoi ths Asfaleias. Giati to lete me tosh bebaiothta;

REPPAS: Prwton, dioti den prokyptei apo poyqena. Kai deyteron, an qelete na kanoyme ypoqeseis kai na syzhtoyme qewrhtika to qema, tote mporoyme na kanoyme akraies ypoqeseis kai na poyme oti opoiosdhpote mporei na einai, ypo mia ennoia, aytos o opoios epiteqhke. Opoiosdhpote. Mporei na einai dhmosiografos, mporei na einai politikos, mporei na einai kapoios geitonas, mporei na einai opoiosdhpote o opoios eixe proswpikes sxeseis, alla kai logoys proswpikoys na epiteqei se kapoion. Opoiosdhpote mporei na einai. Ayth th syzhthsh kanoyme twra; Giati qelete na dhmioyrgoyme entypwseis; Giati qelete na epikentrwsete ekei to endiaferon sas, otan den yparxei kanena stoixeio to opoio na synhgorei yper ayths ths epixeirhmatologias; Oi isxyrismoi aytoi, loipon, einai metewroi.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Prin apo 15 meres kai me aformh tis kinhtopoihseis ths GSEE dhmosieythkan fwtografies se oles tis efhmerides astynomikwn me politika, na ktypoyn kai na syllambanoyn kinhtopoioymenoys. O k. Rwmaios tote, eixe pei oti qa diejaxqei ereyna, dioti exei apagoreyqei h drash asfalitwn me politika. Mporeite na moy peite poy brisketai ayth h ereyna;

REPPAS: Ola ayta ta antimetwpizei h Astynomia me tis diadikasies poy diaqetei.

SOYGLERHS: Sto idio qema: meta thn ejelijh poy pairnei ayth h ekryqmh katastash poy diamorfwnetai, mhpws h Kybernhsh skeftetai na thn antimetwpisei me enan allo tropo, na proxwrhsei se dialogo me thn ekpaideytikh koinothta; Giati qa prokycoyn kai alla paromoia fainomena, sth synexeia. Gia paradeigma, shmera qa pragmatopoihqei kapoia poreia to apogeyma. Einai kati poy sigoyra den teleiwnei edw.

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh ekane kai kanei dialogo me toys endiaferomenoys gia kaqe qema. Ayto den shmainei, omws, oti h Kybernhsh den qa lambanei apofaseis kai den qa efarmozei thn politikh ths. H Kybernhsh yparxei gia na kybernaei ton topo, den yparxei gia na syzhtaei xwris na lambanei apofaseis. Yparxei to stadio toy dialogoy. Otan oloklhrwnetai ayto to stadio, erxetai h wra poy h Kybernhsh prepei na efarmosei tis apofaseis poy exoyn lhfqei kai oi apofaseis aytes, kalo einai -to epidiwkoyme, to epiqymoyme, to prospaqoyme sto megisto baqmo- na periexoyn kai na ekfrazoyn oles tis gnwmes kai tis apoceis oi opoies diatypwnontai gia ena sygkekrimeno qema. Otan ayto omws den einai dynato, den shmainei oti den qa proxwrhsei h Kybernhsh sthn efarmogh ths politikhs ths.

KIAOS: O foithths o opoios traymatisthke kai xaropaleyei akoma, den jerw, diabazw sxetiko reportaz gia thn aitia "oti eixe kataggeilei prohgoymenws stoys dikoys toy, apeiles apo andres twn MAT, se exoyme stamparei, opoy se broyme qa se... ". Kai alloi dyo, epishs, eixan dexqei paromoies proswpikes apeiles. Deyteron, sto idio reportaz, sth synenteyjh Typoy poy edwse to kentriko syntonistiko organo twn epitropwn twn ekpaideytikwn: "O ekproswpos Poylikakos: qewroyme oti h dolofonikh epiqesh toy kratoys kai twn mhxanismwn toy... "klp. Epeidh einai sygkekrimenes oi kataggelies, oi opoies kai katagrafontai, pws mporeite eseis prokatabolika na tis aporricete xwris na ginei ereyna;

REPPAS: Prwta ap' ola, tetoioy eidoys fainomena den prokeitai na ginoyn anekta sthn Astynomia. Ara, loipon, opoiodhpote stoixeio qa ajiologhqei kai qa lhfqei ypoch, prokeimenoy na ekdoqei to teliko porisma. Peran aytoy, exoyn diatypwqei kata kairoys diafores kataggelies. Kai sto plaisio twn prosfatwn kinhtopoihsewn twn ekpaideytikwn diatypwqhkan isxyrismoi enantion twn organwn ths Astynomias, ejw apo kaqe logikh. Sas diabebaiwnw, pantws, oti den prokeitai na ginei anekth, sto plaisio ths Astynomias, mia tetoia symperifora apo melh ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias. Oxi mono qa katadikastei, alla qa lhfqoyn aysthrotata metra kai qa epiblhqoyn kyrwseis. Den prepei me eykolo tropo na kataggelloyme organa ths Astynomias, otan den yparxoyn stoixeia poy na dikaiologhqoyn aytoys toys isxyrismoys, aytes tis kataggelies. O kaqenas leei th dikh toy apoch, th dikh toy ekdoxh. Mhn thn anaferete edw, ws na einai qesfato.

KIAOS: Epeidh anaferqhkate, diabasa sygkekrimena pragmata apo to reportaz kai erwtw...

REPPAS: Sas eipa, einai oi isxyrismoi kai oi apoceis poy ekfrazoyn oi sygkekrimenoi oi opoioi milhsan gia ayto to qema. Alla gia ta qemata ayta, tis teleytaies hmeres, exoyn eipwqei para polla.

KIAOS: Katalaba oti moy epirricate cogo, na mhn metaferw.

REPPAS: Oxi, kaqoloy. Mhn perimenete apo mena na to eklabw ayto ws na einai qesfato, ws na einai h apolyth alhqeia. Asfalws ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys. Eseis exete kati to opoio sas odhgei sto na dexqeite ayta ta opoia lene, ws na einai h alhqeia kai tipota allo; Alla aytos o dialogos, opws antilambaneste, einai anapotelesmatikos. Egw kalw oloys na einai cyxraimoi, na oloklhrwqei h ereyna, na ekdoqei to porisma, gia na gnwrizoyme pws akribws exoyn ta pragmata.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Mhpws h Kybernhsh, meta kai ta teleytaia fainomena, aisqanetai thn anagkh na anakalesei diafores qewries peri "koinwnikoy aytomatismoy" tis opoies eseis edw eixate diatypwsei, sxetika prosfata;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh kat' epanalhch exei diatypwsei mia qesh h opoia einai poly safhs: Oydeis epitrepetai na kineitai ektos toy plaisioy poy orizoyn to Syntagma kai oi Nomoi. Alla entos toy plaisioy toy Syntagmatos kai twn Nomwn oloi qa prepei akwlyta na anaptyssoyn th drasthriothta toys, xwris na parempodizontai sthn askhsh twn atomikwn kai dhmokratikwn dikaiwmatwn, apo toys alloys polites. Giati kapoioi - epanalambanw- exoyn mia aristokratikh antilhch, gia to pws askoyntai ta dhmokratika dikaiwmata. Qeloyn thn askhsh ayth mono gia ton eayto toys, enw den epiqymoyn h den epitrepoyn oi alloi sympolites toys na exoyn ayto to dikaiwma.

MIXAHL: Eidame xqes ta nea stoixeia ths ejamhniaias ereynas ths MRB. Qa hqela ena sxolio ths Kybernhshs; Pws thn ektima;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poia einai h qesh poy exoyme panta apenanti stis dhmoskophseis. Qa mporoysa na pw, oso ginetai pio syntoma, ta ejhs: Prwton, oti mia politikh h opoia efarmozetai sthn prajh, den mporei na krinetai me to idio metro, me to opoio krinetai mia politikh h opoia ejantleitai stoys logoys. Apo th mia, loipon, exoyme ton Prwqypoyrgo, o opoios efarmozei mia politikh, apo thn allh exoyme toys alloys politikoys, oi opoioi mono mesw twn omiliwn kai twn logwn toys dhlwnoyn thn politikh paroysia toys. Ena deytero stoixeio, to opoio prepei na epishmanqei einai toyto: Gia tis megales epiloges ths Kybernhshs yparxei h epidokimasia kai apodoxh ths megalhs pleiochfias toy ellhnikoy laoy. Oson afora to dieqnh prosanatolismo ths xwras kai thn entajh mas sthn ONE afenos kai afeteroy, oson afora thn prowqhsh twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn sthn paragwgikh domh ths xwras, gnwrizete oti ta pososta apodoxhs einai para poly ychla. Ayth h qetikh antapokrish apo thn pleyra twn politwn sthn politikh poy prowqei h Kybernhsh, mas ikanopoiei. Kai triton, h prowqhsh ayths ths politikhs ayth thn wra brisketai se mia krisimh kamph. Den exei oloklhrwqei h prospaqeia mas. Logiko einai, loipon, proskaira na dhmioyrgeitai mia melagxolikh proseggish sthn politikh ayth, mia dysareskeia. Pisteyoyme oti h dhmotikothta qa kinhqei kai pali se poly ychla pososta, otan oloklhrwqei h efarmogh ayths ths politikhs, apodwsei plhrws toys karpoys poy prosdokoyme kai eyelpistoyme kai basei aytwn twn apotelesmatwn qa mas krinei o ellhnikos laos to 2000. Ayta einai ta tria shmeia poy mporw na pw, twra. Oson afora th sfygmometrhsh, sas ypenqymizw oti oi Kybernhseis eklegontai apo thn kalph kai oxi apo dhmoskophseis kai sfygmometrhseis, opoy kaqenas erwtwmenos mporei azhmiws kai adapanws na leei thn apoch toy, giati gnwrizei oti h apoch toy ayth mporei na anaklhqei ana pasa stigmh h en pash periptwsei den paragei ta apotelesmata poy paragei h chfos sthn kalph, ta opoia exoyn- opws gnwrizete poly kala- orizonta tetraetias. Me ayth thn ennoia den mporeite na agnohsete kai ayto to stoixeio.

MIXAHL: To gegonos, omws, oti fainetai pws ena megalo meros toy laoy einai dysaresthmeno, shmainei oti h Kybernhsh mporei na epanejetasei orismenes praktikes, eite epi ths oysias ths politikhs ths, eite ws pros ton tropo efarmoghs ths;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh exei apofasisei mia politikh, h opoia, metajy olwn twn allwn, lambanei sobara ypoch toso tis antidraseis, oi opoies ekdhlwnontai, oso kai tis apoceis oi opoies diatypwnontai kai mporoyn na beltiwsoyn ayth thn politikh. Exoyme anoixtes tis "keraies" mas, wste na syllambanoyme ta mhnymata twn kairwn. Pantote qa proxwroyme se diarqrwtikes kinhseis, opoy ayto einai aparaithto. Prepei na einai safes, omws, oti o ajonas ths politikhs mas paramenei o idios, giati h politikh ayth einai poy mas odhghse sta sygkekrimena apotelesmata se oloys toys tomeis, wste shmera h Ellada na brisketai se poly kalyterh qesh apo oti briskotan, xqes. Qa synexisoyme, loipon, sthn idia kateyqynsh.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Exei, kata thn Kybernhsh, idiaiterh barythta h shmasia h kata pasa piqanothta taytoxronh paroysia twn kyriwn Tsoxatzopoyloy kai Karantagi sthn Oyasigkton;

REPPAS: Gnwrizw oti qa episkefqei meta ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo kai o arxhgos twn Enoplwn Dynamewn ths Toyrkias tis Hnwmenes Politeies. Qa moy epitrecete na kanw ena "sxolio". Blepete oti gia ta qemata ayta ths amyntikhs politikhs ths xwras syzhtaei o Ypoyrgos Amynas ths ellhnikhs Kybernhshs, enw gia logariasmo ths Toyrkias, qa syzhthsei o arxhgos twn Enoplwn Dynamewn. Ayto apotelei ena stoixeio to opoio epishmainw, aplws, gia na bgalete ki eseis ena symperasma gia ton tropo me ton opoio einai domhmeno to systhma ejoysias stis dyo xwres. Pisteyw oti oi syzhthseis poy qa exoyn oi dyo paragontes stis Hnwmenes Politeies qa exoyn, asfalws, endiaferon kai qa katalhjoyn se ofelos toso gia thn Ellada, oso kai gia tis Hnwmenes Politeies. Eyxomai na einai to idio wfelimes kai gia tis Hnwmenes Politeies kai gia thn Toyrkia, oson afora to dialogo metajy twn ekproswpwn twn dyo xwrwn kai bebaiws, na katateinoyn sto stoxo ths pagiwshs ths eirhnhs kai ths staqerothtas sthn perioxh.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Problepetai kapoia trimerhs synanthsh;

REPPAS: Oxi. Den yparxei otidhpote sxetiko.

BITSENTZOY: Pote paei o k. Tsoxatzopoylos;

REPPAS: Stis arxes Ioylioy.

MOSXOBAS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean anhsyxei thn Kybernhsh h diafainomenh entash me bash ta teleytaia gegonota sthn perioxh ths Kyproy.

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh den anhsyxei. H Kybernhsh exei mia akoma eykairia na epishmanei sto dieqnh paragonta oti h symperifora ths Toyrkias paramenei h idia kai den dieykolynei xeirismoys, prokeimenoy na pame se apoklimakwsh ths entashs metajy twn dyo xwrwn. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, ayth h stash ths Toyrkias, pisteyw oti thn odhgei se peraiterw adiejodo.

MOSXOBAS: Xqes, ena prwtoklasato kybernhtiko stelexos h ka Papandreoy, epeshmane oti yparxei problhma politikhs ekfrashs sto PASOK. Pws to sxoliazete;

REPPAS: Den sxoliazw tis apoceis stelexwn toy PASOK. Ayto to opoio mporw na pw mono einai to aytonohto. H ka Papandreoy gnwrizete oti einai probeblhmeno stelexos ths Kybernhshs kai moxqei gia thn epityxia toy kybernhtikoy ergoy.

MOSXOBAS: Aytonohto einai oti yparxei problhma politikhs ekfrashs sto PASOK;

REPPAS: Lew to aytonohto, oti h ka Papandreoy moxqei gia thn epityxia toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Kai oi apoceis poy exei h ka Papandreoy, opws kai ta alla stelexh, akoygontai pantote me prosoxh.

KANELLAKHS: Sth synanthsh twn kyriwn Tsoxatzopoyloy-Karantagi qa syzhthqei kai h anejelegkth metafora stratiwtikwn dynamewn kai maxhtikwn aeroskafwn sta katexomena;

REPPAS: Gia na mhn yparxei paranohsh, den yparxei tetoia trimerhs syzhthsh. Etsi opws to qetete, einai san na syzhthsoyn oi treis. Eipa, prin, oti den yparxei tetoio qema.

KANELLAKHS: Qa sygklinei h syzhthsh gyrw apo ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti exei kataggelqei h Toyrkia, giati enisxyei tis katoxikes dynameis sthn katexomenh Kypro, thn teleytaia periodo. Ayta ta qemata dyskoleyoyn para poly tis prospaqeies poy kanei, metajy twn allwn kai o k. Xolmproyk gia na ejeyreqei mia lysh sto kypriako problhma. Pisteyw oti antibainoyn tis desmeyseis poy exei analabei kai h toyrkokypriakh pleyra, prokeimenoy na apodeijei thn kalh pisth ths, oti endiaferetai, dhladh, kai epiqymei na breqei lysh sto Kypriako. Gi` ayto, akribws, tetoies kinhseis apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias synantoyn thn plhrh apodokimasia olwn.

SOYRMELH: Sxetika me thn afijh eji toyrkikwn maxhtikwn aeroplanwn sthn boreia Kypro, skeftetai h ellhnikh pleyra na janasteilei prosexws alla maxhtika aeroplana;

REPPAS: Ta qemata ayta ths amynas ths Kyproy, ta xeirizetai h Kypriakh Kybernhsh me ypeyqyno tropo. H Kypriakh Kybernhsh qa xeiristei, me to deonta tropo, o, tidhpote enisxyei thn amyna ths Kyproy apenanti se enan fanero kindyno poy proerxetai apo thn epiqetikh stash ths Toyrkias.

Sas eyxaristw.

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