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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 6 Martioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

* Synedriase shmera to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Enekrine, meta thn omofwnh apofash ths Epitrophs Qesmwn ths Boylhs, thn topoqethsh toy Kaqhghth Diamantoyroy, sth qesh toy "Synhgoroy toy Polith". Eprepe na akoloyqhqei ayth h diadikasia. H Epitroph Qesmwn, h opoia syzhthse to qema, eishghqhke omofwnws qetika. To Ypoyrgiko Symboylio proxwrei sthn topoqethsh toy k. Diamantoyroy.

* To kyrio qema syzhthshs ths shmerinhs synedriashs htan oi kybernhtikes draseis gia thn Perifereiakh Anaptyjh kai thn Apokentrwsh. Syzhthsame ta sxetika qemata, se synarthsh kai ton orizonta twn Dhmotikwn kai Nomarxiakwn eklogwn toy erxomenoy Oktwbrioy. Sto xwro ths Aytodioikhshs to Kinhma mas me to Programma toy kai h Kybernhsh mas me tis nomoqetikes prwtoboylies ths, exoyn katakthsei mia politikh hgemonia, edw kai para polla xronia. Egine mia ektimhsh ths poreias twn qesmikwn aytwn allagwn, poy to PASOK apo tis arxes ths dekaetias toy '80 eishgage sthn Perifereia.

* Ena deytero qema, to opoio apotelei, epishs, krisimo megeqos kai apasxolhse th shmerinh synedriash mas, einai to kybernhtiko ergo se diaforoys tomeis, gia thn Perifereiakh Anaptyjh.

* Ena trito shmeio htan ayto poy exei sxesh me thn epilogh twn pleon katallhlwn gia thn yposthrijh twn dhmotikwn kai nomarxiakwn ypoqesewn, prokeimenoy kai oi qesmoi, toys opoioys exoyme egkaqidrysei, na dikaiwqoyn, alla kai to kybernhtiko ergo, me tis armodiothtes tis opoies exoyme apodwsei, pleon, sth Nomarxiakh kai Topikh Aytodioikhsh, na ajiopoihqei, apo toys topikoys paragontes. Ayto, omws, einai ena qema, to opoio syzhthsame se ena para poly geniko plaisio. Apasxolei to PASOK kai ta organa toy.

* Oson afora, tis qesmikes allages, mporoyme na poyme oti to metwpo twn qesmikwn allagwn einai plhres. Exoyn oloklhrwqei oi epiloges mas s' ayto ton tomea. Einai xarakthristiko -opws anaferqhke- oti sto prosfato Synedrio ths KEDKE, oydeis eqese qema anagkhs nomoqetikwn prwtoboyliwn h qesmikwn allagwn, stis opoies prepei na proxwrhsei h Kybernhsh. Ayto odhgei sto symperasma pws einai koinh h anagnwrish oti to qesmiko ergo poy exei epitelestei einai plhres kai arketo gia na kalycei tis anagkes ths Perifereias, tis anagkes ths Aytodioikhshs.

* O A' Baqmos Aytodioikhshs -anaferomai sthn anasygkrothsh twn Dhmwn kai Koinothtwn sto plaisio toy Programmatos "I.KAPODISTRIAS" - ejelissetai me bash to xronodiagramma, poy exoyme ejaggeilei. Proxwra, mesw diagwnistikwn diadikasiwn, o ejoplismos twn Organismwn Aytodioikhshs me mhxanhmata kai alla texnika mesa, twn opoiwn h ajia eggizei ta 30 dis draxmes. Pisteyoyme oti h oikonomikh sthrijh twn OTA, qa ikanopoihsei tis prosdokies poy exoyn kallierghqei apo th megalh ayth metarryqmish. H Kybernhsh einai apofasismenh na yposthrijei tis allages aytes, tis opoies exei qesmoqethsei, me ola ekeina ta oikonomika kai ylika mesa poy einai aparaithta.

* Oson afora to B' Baqmo Aytodioikhshs mporoyme na poyme oti kaqws oloklhrwnetai h prwth qhteia twn airetwn Nomarxwn exoyme th dynatothta gia mia prwth ektimhsh gia to rolo toys kai ta apotelesmata ths drasthriothtas toys.

* H apokentrwsh ths politikhs ejoysias kai h enisxysh twn dhmokratikwn diadikasiwn, poy prowqhsame gia prwth fora se tetoio baqmo gia to B' Baqmo Aytodioikhshs, apo to 1994, me to sxetiko nomo, pisteyoyme oti mas epitrepei na miloyme shmera gia ta qetika apotelesmata ayths ths nomoqetikhs prwtoboylias mas. Oi Nomarxiakes Aytodioikhseis stelexwnontai -einai se ejelijh ayto to programma- me peripoy 1000 episthmones, oi opoioi qa yposthrijoyn, toso sto skelos ths anaptyjhs, oso kai sto skelos ths dioikhshs th leitoyrgia toys.

* Oi kybernhtikes draseis gia thn yposthrijh ayths ths politikhs gia thn Apokentrwsh kai thn Perifereiakh Anaptyjh, kalyptoyn polloys tomeis. Exoyn diatypwsei sxetikes eishghseis, ypo th morfh programmatos, gia thn enisxysh ths Perifereias, oi G.G. ths Perifereias. Me bash aytes tis protaseis kai th syzhthsh h opoia egine shmera sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, mporw -synoptika anaferomenos stoys tomeis aytoys- na epishmanw thn anagkh, prwta ap' ola, oloklhrwshs kai anaptyjhs ths politikhs ths Kybernhshs ston agrotiko xwro. Proxwroyme me bash tis apofaseis poy exoyme labei kai tis sxetikes politikes prwtoboylies, ston eksygxronismo toy OGA, sth sthrijh twn newn agrotwn, sthn efarmogh toy Mhtrwoy Agrotwn. Ejygiainoyme kai eksygxronizoyme tis diadikasies kai toys mhxanismoys twn epidothsewn kai apozhmiwsewn. Genika, h politikh mas gia thn agrotikh paragwgh sthn Eyrwph toy ayrio -milw gia to programma ATZENTA 2000- oloklhrwnetai se synergasia me toys synetairistikoys kai syndikalistikoys foreis twn agrotwn.

* Mia deyterh parembash afora ton anaptyjiako nomo, o opoios prokeitai syntoma na syzhthqei sth Boylh. Me to nomo ayto dinetai h dynatothta na antimetwpistoyn me eyfyeis kai apotelesmatikoys tropoys eidika problhmata poy antimetwpizoyn diafores perioxes ths xwras. Pisteyoyme oti, metajy olwn twn allwn, se megalo baqmo qa doqei ikanopoihtikh lysh sto problhma ths anergias twn newn kai twn makroxronia anergwn.

* Yparxei, epishs, desmh metrwn -kybernhtikwn parembasewn- se fqinoyses, opws tis kaloyme, gewgrafikes perioxes. Se perioxes, dhladh, poy logw domhs ths oikonomias toys antimetwpizoyn entona problhmata shmera. P.x. problhmata apobiomhxanhshs.

Merika alla shmeia aforoyn:

* Ta megala odika erga, ta sidhrodromika diktya kai thn oloklhrwsh twn ergwn sto tomea ygeias. Epitaxynontai ta sxetika erga. Einai shmantikh gia mas h proteraiothta, poy afora ta erga ypodomhs, se oloys toys tomeis.

* Th fylajh twn parameqoriwn perioxwn, thn asfaleia twn synorwn. Proxwra h diadikasia gia th sygkrothsh toy eidikoy swmatos, gia to opoio exoyme milhsei kai alles fores sto parelqon.

* Thn anabaqmish kai enisxysh ths prostasias toy periballontos me erga biologikoy kaqarismoy, kaqws kai me prwtoboylies qesmikoy xarakthra.

* Thn enisxysh twn biotexnikwn drasthriothtwn.

* Ta qemata toyristikhs anaptyjhs.

* Kai, bebaiws, eidiko kefalaio parembasewn afora tis nhsiwtikes perifereies.

Gia ola ayta h Kybernhsh, qa enteinei thn prospaqeia ths, wste to syntomotero dynato na exei oloklhrwsei, an oxi to synolo enos ergoy, megala tmhmata toys, ta opoia qa apodoqoyn stoys xrhstes.

Epishs, gia qemata poy aforoyn thn kalyterh yposthrijh ayths ths prospaqeias mas qa syzhthsoyme me toys plhqysmoys sthn Perifereia, gia ta problhmata poy toys apasxoloyn kai gia thn protash ths Kybernhshs gia thn antimetwpish aytwn twn problhmatwn. Protash, opws, ayth apotypwnetai stis kybernhtikes prwtoboylies, tis opoies exoyme analabei kai analambanoyme. Ta melh ths Kybernhshs qa episkefqoyn oles tis Perifereies, prokeimenoy na employtisqei akomh perissotero aytos o dialogos, ayth h epikoinwnia.

Bebaia, se ayton ton tomea, opws antilambaneste, ena shmantiko meros analambanei to Kinhma mas, ta stelexh toy stis Perifereies, olo ekeino to ajiologo anqrwpino dynamiko poy strateyetai s' ayth thn prospaqeia, epeidh epiqymei na symbalei sthn anazwogonhsh ths ypaiqroy, sth dhmioyrgia newn kalyterwn synqhkwn sthn Perifereia.

* Kleinontas, ayth thn enhmerwsh, mporw twra na kanw mia poly syntomh, epigrammatikh anafora meta tis teleytaies ejelijeis sto Kossyfopedio, opoy eixame kai pali anataraxh. Episkeptetai opws gnwrizete th Gioygkoslabia o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths xwras mas. H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh katadikazei thn klimakwsh ths bias kai kaqe biaih katapiesh ths eleyqerhs ekfrashs twn politwn se mia xwra. Epanalambanoyme thn ekklhsh mas gia aytosygkrathsh kai synesh. Katadikazoyme kaqe tromokratikh kai aposxistikh tash, h opoia mporei na ekdhlwqei. Epanalambanoyme to sebasmo mas sthn akeraiothta kai to aparabiasto twn synorwn mias xwras. Qewroyme pws einai aparaithto na dhmioyrghqoyn oi proypoqeseis kai na proxwrhsei amesws enas epoikodomhtikos dialogos. Emeis, apo thn pleyra mas, ws kybernhsh, ws xwra, eimaste etoimoi na prosferoyme th bohqeia mas, efoson ayto krinetai wfelimo kai apo toys amesa endiaferomenoys.

* Qa moy epitrecete na kanw ena akomh sxolio gia thn kinhtopoihsh adioristwn, anaplhrwtwn kaqhghtwn, poy exoyn proxwrhsei shmera kai se mia symbolikh katalhch sto Ypoyrgeio Paideias, kai na pw oti h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish , opws h Kybernhsh thn exei sxediasei kai thn prowqei, qa efarmostei. Pisteyoyme pws osoi zhtoyn thn epanafora ths epethridas dinoyn maxh opisqofylakhs. Ta aithmata ta opoia oi ekpaideytikoi ayths ths kathgorias proballoyn, einai jeperasmena kai pantws einai aithmata ta opoia den antapokrinontai stis shmerines anagkes ths Paideias. Zhtoyn na dioristoyn 8.000 ekpaideytikoi to epomeno etos. Zhtoyn na yparxei plhrhs taytish metajy twn anaplhrwtwn kai toy taktikoy proswpikoy, oson afora to ergasiako kaqestws h ta asfalistika toys dikaiwmata. Allwste, to asfalistiko kaqestws prosdiorizetai apo to ergasiako kaqestws. H qesh ths Kybernhshs paramenei staqerh, oson afora tis allages sto xwro ths ekpaideyshs. Qa dienerghqei, prin to kalokairi, o dhmosios diagwnismos gia ton opoion exoyme milhsei, prokeimenoy na proslhfqoyn oi ekpaideytikoi opws problepei o sxetikos nomos, o 2525/97. O ariqmos twn diorizomenwn prokyptei, kaqe fora, apo tis anagkes poy yparxoyn sthn ekpaideysh. Perysi, meta apo para polla xronia, gia prwth fora isws, eixame diorismo 6.100 ekpaideytikwn -einai poly megalos o ariqmos aytos- gia thn kalych anagkwn ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. Einai gnwsto oti oi anaplhrwtes kaqhghtes primodotoyntai me moria, enisxyetai, dhladh, h baqmologikh toys qesh analoga me ta eth proyphresias toys, opws akribws problepei o nomos. Prepei na pw, kanontas mia genikh parathrhsh, oti oi perissoteroi ap' osoys ekfrazoyn shmera thn antirrhsh toys sth metarryqmish ayth, problepetai na dioristoyn mexri to 2002 poy h epethrida qa trofodotei, ayth th metabatikh periodo, me ena pososto ekpaideytikwn oi opoioi qa dioristoyn sth Dhmosia Ekpaideysh. Pisteyoyme loipon, oti h anagkaia ekpaideytikh metarryqmish, poy exei kerdisei th synainesh twn politwn - giati oi ellhnikes oikogeneies exoyn sxesh me thn ekpaideysh, epeidh exoyn paidia se opoiadhpote baqmida- qa ginei antilhpth kai apo toys amesa endiaferomenoys, toys ekpaideytikoys. Qa prepei na jeperasoyn aytes tis emmones kai na symbaloyn me ena sygxrono kai paragwgiko tropo sthn epityxh oloklhrwsh ths prospaqeias poy kanoyme gia thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish. Ekrina skopimo na anaferqw s' ayto, giati eixame mia kinhtopoihsh twn endiaferomenwn oi opoioi proshlqan kai sth Boylh kai paredwsan ypomnhma toys, enw synedriaze to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Gi' ayto eprepe na kanw ena geniko politiko sxolio.

Ayta se poly genikes grammes. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas:

KIAOS : Epeidh anafereste s' ayto poy eipate gia to politiko sxolio kai th skopimothta poy qewreite ws kybernhsh, dikaiwma sas. Alla apo thn allh pleyra, den exoyme stoixeia, den jeroyme to reportaz to ejeidikeymeno toy Ypoyrgeioy Paideias, enw eseis mas lete toses xiliades, toses wres, tosa pragmata. Den jeroyme to sxetiko reportaz gia na sas rwthsoyme: ontws dioristhkan 6.000; Posoi phgan, den phgan, posoi qa eprepe na pan, poses kenes qeseis yparxoyn; Dhladh, einai ena swro pragmata.

REPPAS: Katalabainw ti lete kai exoyme dextei ayth thn arxh.

KIAOS : Qa mporoysate na bgalete mia anakoinwsh ypogegrammenh, na thn peite, na thn kanete .... Giati ...

REPPAS : Epeidh, akribws, thn wra ths synedriashs toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy proshlqan kai paredwsan ena ypomnhma, krinw skopimo na kanw ayth th genikh epishmansh, epeidh exoyme kai th symbolikh katalhch toy Ypoyrgeioy Paideias. Poly perissotero ayta ta opoia legw einai sth diaqesh pantos endiaferomenoy kai mporoyn na antikroystoyn, an pragmatika den antapokrinontai sth alhqeia. Alla antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia.

KIAOS : Toylaxiston na staqei aformh tis alles meres ...

REPPAS : Symfwnoyme. S' ayth th genikh arxh exoyme symfwnhsei. Alla, polles fores syzhtoyme qemata ...

KIAOS : Kakws, poly kakws.

REPPAS : ... peran twn genikwn politikwn zhthmatwn , ta opoia aforoyn genikoys tomeis, kybernhtikes drasthriothtes. Kai ayto to gnwrizete.

KIAOS : Qelw na rwthsw kati gia to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Oles aytes oi anafores poy kanate htan eishghsh h apotelesma ths syzhthsews; Eishghsh kapoioy Ypoyrgoy h toy Prwqypoyrgoy; REPPAS : Htan h basikh eishghsh poy ekane o k. Papadopoylos. Kai sthn eishghsh ayth, diaforoi ypoyrgoi, oi opoioi elaban to logo, ekanan epishmanseis, sxoliasmoys, proseqesan th dikh toys empeiria, th dikh toys apoch gia polla qemata. Ayto to opoio sas aneptyja htan, qa elega, o koinos topos ths syzhthshs poy egine sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, me ajona thn eishghsh toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy kai twn dyo Yfypoyrgwn.

KIAOS: Otan mas eipate gia thn epilogh twn pleon katallhlwn gia yposthrijh -exw shmeiwsei ta logia sas- sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, dhladh ti syzhthse .....

REPPAS: Ayto den htan sthn eishghsh toy Ypoyrgoy ws idiaitero qema. Alla para polloi synadelfoi, metajy twn allwn kai kaqws miloysame gi' ayta ta qemata, eipan to poso krisimo qema einai aytoi oi opoioi qa epilegoyn, prokeimenoy na diekdikhsoyn th qesh toy Nomarxh h toy Dhmarxoy, na einai proswpa ta opoia exoyn apodoxh, ta opoia dexontai aytes tis qesmikes allages kai tis yposthrizoyn kai, bebaiws, mporoyn na ajiopoihsoyn tis eykairies poy parexei stoys Nomarxes kai toys Dhmarxoys to kybernhtiko ergo, gia na symbaloyn kai aytoi sth beltiwsh twn synqhkwn ths zwhs sthn Perifereia. Alla, gia to qema ayto -to epeshmana kai egw allwste- qa asxolhqei, me tis diadikasies poy problepontai apo to katastatiko, to Kinhma mas. Apla egine ayth h genikh anafora. Kai kala kanete kai to rwtate gia na mh dhmioyrgoyntai parejhghseis.

KIAOS: Qelw th dikh sas dieykrinish, otan mas eipate "qemata apokentrwshs kai perifereiakhs anaptyjhs, me orizonta tis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges". Dhladh, epeidh erxontai oi nomarxiakes kai dhmotikes ekloges kaqhsate kai eipate oti "syzhtame ayto to qema";

REPPAS: Oxi bebaia, giati gnwrizete poly kala oti to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio synedriazei kaqe Paraskeyh. Ara, ayth h epishmansh, ayth h "kathgoria", mporei na apeyqynqei se opoiondhpote allon, ektos apo ayth thn kybernhsh. Otan lew "orizonta xroniko tis ekloges", pisteyw oti h kybernhsh mas eixe ypoxrewsh, epeidh akribws erxontai oi nomarxiakes kai dhmotikes ekloges, oi opoies qa shmatodothsoyn tis ejelijeis sto xwro ths Aytodioikhshs me ta apotelesmata toys- na syzhthsei ola ayta ta qemata me enan eidiko tropo, prokeimenoy na syntonisoyme thn prospaqeia mas, wste to ergo ayto to opoio einai se ejelijh na anadeixqei akomh perissotero h opoy yparxoyn kaqysterhseis na tis antimetwpisoyme kai na tis jeperasoyme. Genikws h kybernhtikh drash na entaqei. Einai ena orio to opoio exei thn politikh shmasia toy, to antilambaneste. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, h qhteia ths kybernhshs oloklhrwnetai to 2000. Elpizoyme, loipon, oti ta dyo kai pleon eth poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas kai ta tessera poy qa akoloyqhsoyn, einai enas ariqmos etwn poly kalos, wste na pei kapoios pws h kybernhsh me to ergo ths dhmioyrgei synqhkes politikhs staqerothtas, dinei prooptikes kai dhmioyrgei megales prosdokies gia to lao mas, gia th xwra mas.

LAKOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, kat' arxhn, mia dieykrinish se sxesh me thn apanthsh poy dwsate ston k. Kiao. Dexeste eseis, ws Ekproswpos ths Kybernhshs kai -giati oxi- ws ejexwn Koinoboyleytikos, poy leei kai o k. Pagkalos, oti einai doyleia toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy h akomh perissotero armodiothta toy na syzhta, poioi ypochfioi Nomarxes kai Dhmarxoi qa yposthrixqoyn; Giati peri yposthrijews milhsate.

REPPAS: Ma, den syzhthse ayto to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

LAKOPOYLOS: Ayto eipate.

REPPAS: Eytyxws poy rwthse o k. Kiaos kai yparxei apanthsh moy. Den eipa ayto.

LAKOPOYLOS: Ayto einai prwtofanes, den exei janaginei.

REPPAS: Ayto katalabate, kyrie Lakopoyle;

LAKOPOYLOS: Ayto eipate.

REPPAS: Malista, kalws. Afoy katalabate ayto.... Gnwrizete poly kala oti den eipa ayto. Eipa oti metajy twn allwn eginan epishmanseis peri toy oti einai aparaithto na epilegoyn oi kalyteroi -oxi me stena krithria- oi ajiologoteroi anqrwpoi poy diaqetei kaqe topikh koinwnia, prokeimenoy kai to qesmiko ayto ergo, to opoio yparxei, na ajiopoihqei kai oi parembaseis kai oi prwtoboylies ths Kybernhshs, ta politika metra ta opoia exoyme labei, na ajiopoihqoyn apo toys topikoys arxontes, prokeimenoy na ginei kalyterh h zwh sthn ypaiqro. Ayto eipa. Den syzhthsame gia to pws qa epilegoyn. Alla, to na syzhta ena Ypoyrgiko Symboylio to kybernhtiko ergo h tis parembaseis gia thn ellhnikh Perifereia kai na ginei, metajy twn allwn kai mia tetoia anafora oti prepei, gia na proxwrhsei kai na oloklhrwqei ayth h politikh, na ajiopoihqei to katallhlo anqrwpino dynamiko, oi kalyteroi poy yparxoyn, ayth einai mia anafora poy exei th genikh ajia ths.

LAKOPOYLOS: Tote epitrecte moy: ayth h syzhthsh kai to pneyma ypo to opoio egine, anairei mia basikh politikh kateyqynsh toy k. Shmith, kata thn opoia, se aytes tis ekloges, qa kriqoyn politikes;

REPPAS: Oxi den krinontai politikes.

LAKOPOYLOS: Ma, etsi eipe sto Nayplio oti qa ginei, kata kapoio tropo dhmochfisma...

REPPAS: Den eipe tetoio pragma. Kai gnwrizete oti yparxei safhs politikh topoqethsh, me apofash ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs, h opoia prosdiorizei to plaisio, to opoio blepoyme na apotelei to pedio gia th diejagwgh twn topikwn eklogwn. Ayta einai aposafhnismena, na mhn epanerxomaste s' ayta. Asfalws, ta qemata ths Perifereias, ta qemata poy apasxoloyn thn Aytodioikhsh, qa einai ayta poy qa apotelesoyn to krithrio gia na staqmisoyn oi eklogeis thn chfo toys kai na exoyme tetoia apotelesmata, ta opoia qa einai ta kalytera gia thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh kai gia ton kosmo o opoios zei sthn ellhnikh Perifereia.

LAKOPOYLOS: Epeidh syzhthsate kai gia qemata aytodioikhshs kai epeidh ginetai mia foberh syzhthsh aytes tis hmeres -Dhmarxoi epistrefoyn taxydromikws pentoxiliara k.lp.- exei kata noy h Kybernhsh nomoqetikes prwtoboylies, opws ths zhteitai en merei apo orismenes pleyres', poy qa dwsoyn kapoio diejodo sto problhma poy dhmioyrghqhke apo ta parkometra;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh exei dhlwsei oti prokeitai na labei prwtoboylia gia nomoqetikh ryqmish, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn ekkremothtes h qemata, ta opoia dhmioyrgoyn problhmata. H kateyqynsh sthn opoia, kat' arxhn, exoyme pei oti qa kinhqei ayth h prwtoboylia, einai ekeinh kata thn opoia den qa epitrepetai na anaqetoyn oi OTA se idiwtikoys foreis to ergo ths fylajhs twn qesewn staqmeyshs. Ayth einai mia genikh politikh paradoxh, alla, gia ola ayta ta qemata to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn syzhta me toys endiaferomenoys. An exoyn dhmioyrghqei problhmata, epiqymia mas einai na ta antimetwpisoyme. Kai an xreiazetai gia ta problhmata ayta na yparjoyn nomoqetikes prwtoboylies -den arkoyn dhladh kapoies kanonistikes prajeis, Ypoyrgikes Apofaseis, Proedrika Diatagmata- qa analhfqoyn kai aytes oi nomoqetikes prwtoboylies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ayta ta erga ta opoia mas eipate oti programmatizei h Kybernhsh qa synexistoyn kai meta tis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges;

REPPAS: Qa synexistoyn gia para polla xronia. Oso yparxei mia Kybernhsh, h opoia einai paragwgikh, san thn Kybernhsh thn opoia sthrizei to PASOK.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Anejarthta apo to poioi qa eklegoyn;

REPPAS: Asfalws. Einai dynaton h Kybernhsh na sterhsei apo ton Ellhniko Lao to ploysio ayto ergo, to opoio problepetai sto programma ths, epeidh aytoi oi opoioi qa eklegoyn stoys Dhmoys h stis Nomarxies den qa anhkoyn, piqanon, den qa einai melh, den qa einai fila proskeimenoi sto kybernhtiko komma; Kaqe allo. Allwste, nomizw oti oloi exoyn logo na einai fila proskeimenoi se mia Kybernhsh, h opoia apodeiknyetai idiaiterws apotelesmatikh. Prwtofanws apotelesmatikh, qa elega, gia ta ellhnika dedomena.

MPOYRDARAS: Mia plhroforia qa hqela. Eipate oti qa ginoyn ejormhseis kommatikwn klimakiwn sthn perifereia gia syzhthseis k.lp. Qa hqela na kanw dyo erwthseis: Pote qa arxisoyn aytes oi episkeceis kai deyteron poio organo h poia stelexh kybernhtika h kommatika qa apofasisoyn poioi qa pane poy.

REPPAS: Epeidh h syzhthsh mas qa parei ena xarakthra o opoios den qa einai sobaros, qa einai sobarofanhs, an egw syzhtw gia th synqesh aytwn twn klimakiwn, sas lew, oti qa yparxoyn aytes oi episkeceis meta to Pasxa. Asfalws, ayta ta klimakia qa exoyn epikefalhs kybernhtika stelexh kai asfalws qa symmetexoyn kai kommatika stelexh. To lew ayto gia na mhn kathgorhqw oti Kybernhsh kai komma taytizontai epeidh akribws h diadikasia ths epikoinwnias ayths qa ginei mesw stelexwn poy alla qa einai kybernhtika kai alla kommatika. Mh ftasoyme se tetoioys paralogismoys. Ayto to opoio h Kybernhsh skeptetai, einai na proxwrhsei h diadikasia perifereiakwn anaptyjiakwn synedriwn, wste se kaqe perifereia na ginei mia ektetamenh, qa elega, analysh twn problhmatwn kaqe perifereias, na ginei syzhthsh gia tis prwtoboylies ths Kybernhshs, oi topikoi paragontes na anaptyjoyn ta qemata poy toys apasxoloyn kai me bash ta porismata ayta na proboyme se oles ekeines tis beltiwseis h tis diorqwseis poy einai aparaithtes. Me bash ta porismata ayta oi topikoi paragontes, ta topika stelexh na analaboyn ena megalo baros eyqynhs kai ekeina, prokeimenoy na symbaloyn sthn oloklhrwsh ayths ths koinhs prospaqeias. Ara, loipon, mporeite na krathsete ayto to sxedio gia ta perifereiaka anaptyjiaka synedria kai mporeite na anamenete meta to Pasxa mia paroysia ths Kybernhshs sthn ellhnikh perifereia, me enan programmatismeno tropo, syntonismeno gia ola ayta ta qemata, ta opoia apasxoloyn thn perifereia.

KARELIAS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa paei poyqena, k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Sta anaptyjiaka synedria asfalws qa einai parwn kai o Prwqypoyrgos.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, sxetika me dhlwsh toy k. Pagkaloy, giati h Kybernhsh den ypagei tis drasthriothtes toy k. Mperns sth D/nsh Eqimotypias toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn.

REPPAS: Den antilambanomai poia einai h erwthsh sas. Se poia dhlwsh anafereste gia na gnwrizw ki egw epi poioy qematos kaloymai na apanthsw.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: H Kybernhsh ypagei tis drasthriothtes toy k. Mperns, opws kanei me toys ypoloipoys presbeytes jenwn xwrwn sth xwra mas, sth D/nsh Eqimotypias toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn;

REPPAS: Asfalws, h D/nsh Eqimotypias toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn exei ena rolo syntonistiko. Einai to organo ekeino to opoio, pantote, einai plhroforhmeno gia to pws oi diplwmatikes arxes jenwn xwrwn sthn Ellada kinoyntai h anaptyssoyn drasthriothtes.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: O k. Pagkalos, xqes sth Boylh, opws dhmosieyontai shmera dhlwseis toy, kai diabazw sygkekrimena sthn efhmerida "EQNOS", dhlwnei oti oi drasthriothtes toy k. Mperns den ypagontai sth D/nsh Eqimotypias toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Giati;

REPPAS: O k. Mperns gnwrizete oti exei anaptyjei -kai einai diko toy qema ayto- mia prwtoboylia epikoinwnias me diaforoys paragontes sthn ellhnikh epikrateia, h opoia afora ton idio. Einai dikh toy epilogh ayth. Einai para poly kinhtikos -ayto prepei na to pw. Shmera p.x. qa ton dextw ki egw gia qemata poy aforoyn thn katalhsteysh -giati peri aytoy prokeitai- pneymatikwn dikaiwmatwn apo Mesa Enhmerwshs sthn Patrida mas. Einai ena qema poy apasxolei tis dyo xwres. O k. Mperns moy eqese ayto to qema sthn prwth episkech, prin apo arketes ebdomades. Qa me episkefqei pali shmera gia na syzhthsoyme ayto to qema. Paroysiazetai idiaitera epimonos h systhmatikos sthn antimetwpish problhmatwn poy apasxoloyn thn kybernhsh toy. Ayto, allwste, einai to ergo toy presbh mias xwras.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Gnwrizei kati h Kybernhsh sas; Qa ypagei telika ayth thn kinhtikothta toy k. Mperns sta qesmoqethmena plaisia; REPPAS: Sta nomima plaisia kineitai o k. Mperns. Den yparxei opoiodhpote qema.

KIAOS: O k. Pagkalos xqes sth Boylh aneferqh se sas kai eipe oti mia efhmerida sas epeteqh k.l.p., epeidh den ths ekane o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos to kefi gia kapoia pragmata. Se ti pragmata den kanate to kefi; Mallon, to kefi poias efhmeridas den kanate;

REPPAS: Egw oyte kefia kanw, oyte sterw apo opoiondhpote ayto to opoio dikaioytai. Den gnwrizw ti, akribws, ennooyse o k. Pagkalos. O k. Pagkalos exei anaxwrhsei gia to Beligradi. Prepei na sas pw oti den exw milhsei mazi toy. Eida to keimeno ths topoqethshs toy. Pragmati, ta logia toy k. Pagkaloy, prepei na ta pairnete tois metrhtois. Egw toylaxiston, ayto kanw. Nomizw oti h anafora toy ayth afora se genikes grammes ena meros ths leitoyrgias twn Meswn Mazikhs Enhmerwshs kai hqele, akribws, na epishmanei thn prosoxh poy prepei na epideiknyoyme pantote. Giati h kritikh poy polles fores askeitai sthn Kybernhsh h se kapoioys paragontes, mporei na einai bolikh gia toys antipaloys polles fores, omws, mporei na odhghsei se tetoioy eidoys ekfylismoys sth leitoyrgia toy Politeymatos. Giati ta proswpa allazoyn stis diafores qeseis, h kritikh, omws, apo ta Mesa Enhmerwshs paramenei. Apla exei allajei stoxo afoy kapoioi alloi briskontai se diaforetikes qeseis kai me diaforetikoys roloys. Ayto eipe o k. Pagkalos.

KIAOS: Poio eipe;

REPPAS: Parakalw na rwthsete ton idio ton k. Pagkalo, otan exete thn eykairia, gia to ti ennooyse me ayta ta opoia eipe. Den einai dynaton egw na eimai sth skech twn synadelfwn. Egw dexomai ayta ta opoia eipe sygkekrimena. Ekana mia ypoqesh, mia ektimhsh.

KIAOS: Eseis eipate twra oti afora olo ton kosmo ths Enhmerwshs.

REPPAS: Oxi. Eipa, mporei na qewrhsei kaneis oti afora ekeinh thn pleyra toy kosmoy ths Enhmerwshs, me thn opoia den prepei panta na taytizesai. Giati polles fores, askeitai sto plaisio toy elegktikoy ergoy twn Meswn Enhmerwshs mia kritikh, poy kata thn gnwmh kapoioy alloy qewreitai yperbolikh kai adikh. Ayto para polles fores exei ginei kai mporw na anaferw pleista paradeigmata. Giati sas kanei entypwsh ayto.

KIAOS: Sygnwmh, pali einai genikes anafores...

REPPAS: Ma, genikh ajia exoyn aytes oi qeseis. Edw pera den kanoyme anakrish. Den einai dynaton, epanalambanw, na dhmioyrghsoyme kapoia dikografia. Kanoyme mia syzhthsh me bash kapoies genikes qeseis, poy exoyn genikh ajia.

KIAOS: Dhladh, ti exete sto myalo sas otan lete eseis ena tmhma twn Meswn Mazikhs Enhmerwshs. Poio einai to tmhma ayto;

REPPAS: Den eipa tmhma twn Meswn Enhmerwshs me thn ennoia orismenwn Meswn Enhmerwshs. Milhsa gia ekeinh thn pleyra ths leitoyrgias twn Meswn Enhmerwshs, poy afora to elegktiko ergo toys, thn kritikh thn opoia askoyn.

KIAOS: Poia einai ayta;

REPPAS: Ola ta Mesa Enhmerwshs, entypa kai hlektronika, kata kairoys askoyn kritikh se diaforoys paragontes, poy polles fores den antapokrinetai sta pragmata.

KIAOS: Ti sxesh exei ayto me to kefi poy toys kanate h den toys kanate; Ayto exei shmasia.

REPPAS: Egw prospaqw na eimai pantote entos twn qesmikwn kai typikwn plaisiwn poy kineitai enas Ypoyrgos. Kai den yparxoyn etsi periqwria na moy askhsei kapoios kritikh h na me kathgorhsei gia to oti ekana kati peran aytwn twn plaisiwn h den ekana kati to opoio eprepe na kanw, kinoymenos entos aytoy toy plaisioy. Me ayth thn ennoia, politikh einai h kritikh h opoia prepei na askeitai kai exete th dynatothta eseis na kanete aperioristh kritikh gia to politiko ergo, to opoio o kaqenas apo mas kai h Kybernhsh mas paragei gia ton ellhniko lao. Ayta einai lymena zhthmata.

KIAOS: Ti sxesh exei akribws to kefi poy toys kanate h den toys kanate, me to kopadi twn lykwn. Kai poio einai to kopadi twn lykwn;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, parakalw na apeyqynqeite s' ayton o opoios eipe sygkekrimena pragmata, an qelete na maqete ti allo mporei na ennoei. Ayth thn wra poy syzhtoyme edw, prepei na meinoyme se kapoia anafora stis genikes arxes. Edwse, me to glafyro tropo poy synhqizei para polles fores, o synadelfos Ypoyrgos, ena xarakthrismo gia th symperifora Meswn Enhmerwshs, poy polles fores otan askoyn kritikh to kanoyn me tetoies krayges poy qymizoyn kai lykoys. Polles fores mporei na ypoqesei o kaqe poliths, poso mallon eseis poy eiste kai dhmosiografos, oti yparxoyn skopimothtes kai elathria gia na askeitai ayth h kritikh. Einai kati to opoio to gnwrizoyme oloi. Allwste, an den synebaine ayto, an h dikh sas prospaqeia periorizotan sto na metaferete me kaqaro tropo ayta ta opoia ginontai h syzhtoyntai ston ellhniko lao, qa prepei na grafete oloi peripoy ta idia h na eiste pros thn idia kateyqynsh. Ayto den ginetai.

KIAOS: Ti einai ayto poy kanate; Maqhma;

REPPAS: Den einai maqhma. Eseis zhtate th syzhthsh k. Kiao.

KIAOS: H erwthsh einai safhs.

REPPAS: H erwthsh einai safhs, h apanthsh einai safesterh.

KIAOS: Wraia. Giati den brhkate to synadelfo sas Ypoyrgo na ton rwthsete kai na mas metaferete ayto poy ennoei;

REPPAS: Ma, twra sobara milate. Kanete erwthsh giati den brhka to synadelfo Ypoyrgo na ton rwthsw ti ennoei me ayta ta opoia eipe; An endiafereste gia to ergo sas, giati den ton anazhthsate apo xqes, molis eipe ayta ta opoia eipe, gia na plhroforhqeite ayta ta opoia ennoei, gia ta osa eipe;

KIAOS: Sas rwtw epeidh eiste o kaq' ylhn armodios Ypoyrgos. Eiste Ypoyrgos Typoy kai M.M.E. O k. Pagkalos aneferqh se kopadi lykwn gia M.M.E., se kefi poy den ekane o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos se efhmerida, se M.M.E. Eiste o armodios kat' ejoxhn kai zhtw th dikh sas apoch.

REPPAS: Edwsa apanthsh gia ola ayta kai ekplhssomai giati den to antilhfqhkate. Milhsa kai gia thn kraygh twn lykwn kai gia ta kefia, dyo fores malista kai ayth einai h trith poy to kanw...

KIAOS: Den milhsate.

REPPAS: Bebaiws milhsa.

MIXAHL: Eikasate, den milhsate.

REPPAS: Oxi. O k. Kiaos rwthse poia einai h dikh moy qesh kai ths Kybernhshs. Kai milhsa gi' ayto. Eipa oti gi' ayta ta opoia exw na pw egw, milhsa. Den apefyga na milhsw gia ta qemata ta opoia qesate. Kai gia tis krayges twn lykwn kai gia ta M.M.E. kai gia ta kefia poy ginontai h den ginontai. Mhn epimenete, loipon. Sas parakalw para poly. Giati oloi edw pera sthn Ellada, poy einai mia mikrh xwra, gnwrizomaste.

KIAOS: Giati den lete onomata;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, otan kapoios exei na pei onoma, qa pei onoma. Otan kapoios den exei na pei onoma kai qelei na kanei mia epishmansh genikhs ajias, qa toy epitrecete na perioristei se ayto. Den einai dynaton na epibalei kaqenas ston allon ton tropo me ton opoio qa milhsei h mexri poioy shmeioy qa kanei anafora. Nomizw oti ayta einai dedomena kai einai kai lymena. Den xreiazetai na ta syzhtoyme pali.

Sas eyxaristw. Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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