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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 5.3.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Ayrio qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Qema hmerhsias diatajhs, oi kybernhtikes draseis gia thn apokentrwsh kai thn perifereiakh anaptyjh. H synedriash qa ginei me thn paroysia kai twn Yfypoyrgwn. H syzhthsh ayth entassetai sto plaisio ths prospaqeias poy kataballoyme, edw kai kairo, na enisxysoyme thn anaptyjh ths Perifereias kai th qesmikh anasygkrothsh ths.

LAKOPOYLOS: Qa milhsoyn oloi ek peritrophs h qa eishghqei kapoios h kati;

REPPAS: Qa eishghqei asfalws o Ypoyrgos k. A. Papadopoylos kai oi Ypoyrgoi, oi opoioi exoyn tomeis poy oi yphresies toys leitoyrgoyn sthn Perifereia, qa eishghqoyn tis dynatothtes, ta periqwria poy yparxoyn, prokeimenoy na metabibastei h epopteia twn Organismwn aytwn apeyqeias sthn Perifereia. Na mhn ypagontai, dhladh, pleon sthn kentrikh yphresia. Ayta omws, einai qemata -epanalambanw- poy den ta syzhtoyme prwth fora sthn Kybernhsh. Exei ginei mia shmantikh proodos. Nomizw oti ayto to qema einai pantote epikairo, giati pantote yparxoyn periqwria na enisxyetai h prospaqeia gia thn apokentrwsh.

* Qa moy epitrecete, prin mpoyme sth syzhthsh mas, na aposafhnisw plhrws th qesh mas gia to gnwsto qema, to opoio shmera exei meridio probolhs stis efhmerides. Na pw oti den exei allajei se tipota h qesh ths Elladas gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma. Den yparxei opoiadhpote ejelijh. H qesh mas einai gnwsth kai paramenei. Dikaiologw toys kalopistoys oi opoioi dierwthqhkan gia to endexomeno allaghs politikhs. Katanow kai toys kakopistoys kai anaferomai se politika kommata, oi opoioi qewrhsan oti anakalycan pedio gia na askhsoyn antipoliteysh, en mesw ths politikhs apognwshs sthn opoia exoyn perielqei. Ayto to opoio einai safes -kai kleinw etsi- einai toyto: oti h politikh ths Elladas einai politikh filias kai synergasias pros oles tis xwres, idiaiterws tis geitonikes. Epiqymoyme na ginontai sebastoi oi kanones oi opoioi proagoyn thn kalh geitonia kai na thrhqei kai na oloklhrwqei h proswrinh Synqhkh toy Septembrioy 1995, h opoia exei synafqei metajy ths Elladas kai ths geitonikhs xwras, ths FYROM.

PARIS: Na jekaqarisete thn politikh ths Elladas apo edw kai pera, giati opws paei to pragma, mallon o dialogos den qa paei poyqena kai qa dexqoyn sxedon oloi to onoma "Makedonia" san ena gegonos. Hdh, oloi anagnwrizoyn. Emeis ti qa kanoyme; Apla den qa toys anagnwrisoyme;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti to qema ayto apotelei antikeimeno synennohsewn, ypo thn aigida toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn. Pisteyoyme pws qa prepei na symbalei kai h allh pleyra, prokeimenoy na yparjei h epiqymhth ejelijh, wste kai ayth h aitia tribhs kai entashs stis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn, na ejaleifqei. Dystyxws h allh pleyra paramenei apolyta prosdedemenh se mia qesh, h opoia den dieykolynei sthn oloklhrwsh ayths ths epikoinwnias, me qetika telikws apotelesmata, opws allwste problepei h proswrinh Synqhkh h h Endiamesh Symfwnia, opws alliws legetai, toy 1995.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto poy eipate xqes to "Makedonia twn Skopiwn", to eipate syneidhta h kanate gkafa;

REPPAS: Edwsa shmera dieykriniseis, opote gnwrizete poia einai h qesh ths Kybernhshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati den to dieykrinisate xqes, otan to eipate; Katalabate oti qa "epaize" ...

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, to keimeno to opoio exete sth diaqesh sas apodidei tis qeseis, epi ths oysias twn qematwn poy syzhtoyme kai prepei na pw oti -to anagnwrizete fantazomai ki eseis- yparxei mia diafora toy proforikoy apo ton grapto logo. O proforikos logos synodeyetai apo ekfraseis, apo xeironomies, apo meidiamata, ta opoia ton xrwmatizoyn kai dieykolynoyn na ermhneysete ki eseis to logo. Sto grapto keimeno ayta den mporoyn na metaferqoyn kai den apotypwnontai. Ayto einai ena stoixeio, to opoio prepei na labete ypoch sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To bgalate poy to bgalate apo to mprifingk, giati den kanate mia dieykrinistikh dhlwsh;

REPPAS: Gi' ayto apanthsa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati den kanate mia dieykrinistikh dhlwsh;

REPPAS: Giati, an diabasete th sygkekrimenh apanthsh, qa deite to plaisio ths politikhs thn opoia akoloyqoyme kai qa diapistwsete oti to plaisio ayto paramenei to idio. Se tipota den exei allajei h politikh mas. Idiws an melethsete thn teleytaia protash, th sygkekrimenh apanthsh poy leei oti "qa prepei kai h allh pleyra na symbalei, wste ayth h aitia tribhs na pacei na yparxei".

BITSENTZOY: Einai qesh ths Kybernhshs h synqeth onomasia gia ta Skopia;

REPPAS: Ka Bitsentzoy, exoyme proselqei me tis gnwstes qeseis mas se ayth th diadikasia synennohsewn. Paramenoyme se ayth th qesh. Anamenoyme apo thn allh pleyra na diatypwsei paragwgikes protaseis, prokeimenoy na katalhjoyme se symfwnia. Kai ayto den ginetai.

BITSENTZOY: Epeidh den qymamai poia einai h teleytaia qesh ths Kybernhshs, einai h synqeth onomasia gia ta Skopia;

REPPAS: Exoyme pei oti den einai dynaton na syzhtoyme, dexomenoi na symperilambanetai h sygkekrimenh lejh h paragwgo ths sthn onomasia toy geitonikoy kratoys.

KIAOS: O k. Malefski ekane kapoia anafora h maqate antidraseis apo thn prwteyoysa ths geitonikhs xwras, ta Skopia, gia th dhlwsh sas, opws thn ekfrasate xqes;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw kapoies antidraseis. O k. Malefski exei epikoinwnia, shmera, me thn politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Den einai antikeimeno syzhthshs to qema ths onomasias. To qema ayto syzhteitai sto plaisio toy OHE. Antikeimeno syzhthsewn toy k. Malefski me to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn ths xwras mas einai oi emporikes kai oikonomikes synergasies kai oi politistikes antallages, sto plaisio akribws ths Endiameshs Symfwnias toy 1995. Problepetai sthn proswrinh ayth Synqhkh, ayth h anaptyjh twn sxesewn, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsei akomh perissotero h synergasia twn dyo xwrwn. Sto plaisio ayths ths Symfwnias ginontai kai aytes oi episkeceis twn politikwn paragontwn twn dyo xwrwn.

MIXAHL: Apo thn apanthsh sas prokyptei to plaisio ths politikhs, alla epitrecte moy na sas parathrhsw oti sto plaisio ayths ths politikhs den apagoreyetai na symperilambanei kai thn onomasia "Makedonia twn Skopiwn". Allo to ena, allo to allo. Qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: O k. Gkligkorof xqes, me aformh ta gegonota sto Kossyfopedio, ejefrase foboys gia diamelismo toy kratoys toy sthn periptwsh poy ejaxqei apo to Kossyfopedio h krish. Mhpws aytos einai enas epipleon logos na deite to problhma akoma kai sto plaisio, poy eipate gia thn endexomenh onomasia, akoma ki ayth poy eipate;

REPPAS: Prwton, katasthsame safes oti h anataraxh sto Kossyfopedio egkymonei kindynoys gia thn eyryterh perioxh. Gi' ayto akribws exoyme ekdhlwsei, me energo tropo, to endiaferon mas na analhfqoyn prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistei h krish. Deyteron, h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh exei me kathgorhmatiko tropo katasthsei gnwsth th qesh ths, oti epiqymei thn yparjh toy geitonikoy kratoys sta oria twn shmerinwn synorwn. Eimaste mia xwra -kai den anaferomai mono sthn politikh ths dikh mas Kybernhshs, anaferomai sthn politikh olwn twn Kybernhsewn- h opoia epiqymei sxeseis synergasias me ta geitonika krath kai epiqymoyme h synergasia ayth na anaptyssetai me bash kanones, metajy twn opoiwn shmantikotatoi einai ekeinoi poy problepoyn th diathrhsh ths yfistamenhs eqnikhs kyriarxias, twn shmerinwn synorwn, to sebasmo kaqe kratoys pros ta dikaiwmata toy alloy kratoys. Aytoi einai basikoi kanones kai sto plaisio ayths ths politikhs mas anaptyssoyme tis sxeseis mas kai me th FYROM. Prepei na pw oti ayta ta problhmata, ta opoia epikaleitai o k. Gkligkorof, einai problhmata ta opoia prepei oloys na mas apasxoloyn, prokeimenoy ta Balkania na mhn gnwrisoyn kai pali entaseis kai anataraxes, opws sto parelqon. Den einai pros to symferon kapoioy. Einai se baros olwn. H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh prwtostatei s' ayth thn prospaqeia gia th dhmioyrgia synqhkwn diarkoys eirhnhs, staqerothtas kai asfaleias sth Balkanikh. Mhn jexnate thn prwtoboylia mas h opoia odhghse sth Balkanikh Diaskech ths Krhths me shmantika politika apotelesmata kai kerdh gia oloys. Qa prepei s' ayto to plaisio na kinhqoyn oles oi xwres. H Ellada, pantws, prwtostatei s' ayth thn prospaqeia.

MIXAHL: Moy epitrepete allh mia erwthsh; Qa sas zhthsw, loipon, na sxoliasete kai ena akoma sygkekrimeno apospasma ths omilias toy k. Gkligkorof, o opoios ekane logo gia diamelismo ths Makedonias, opws to eipe, apo tis geitonikes xwres Boylgaria kai Ellada.

REPPAS: Apanthsa hdh prin sthn erwthsh sas, otan eipa oti prepei na ginontai sebasta ta synora poy yfistantai shmera. Aytos einai enas basikos kanonas gia na anaptyxqoyn oi sxeseis metajy twn xwrwn. Den einai dynaton tetoioy eidoys topoqethseis, efoson apodidontai apolytws orqa, na apotelesoyn gonima stoixeia gia thn prospaqeia ayth poy ginetai na beltiwqoyn oi sxeseis metajy twn geitonikwn xwrwn. Antiqetws, qa elega, dhmioyrgoyn empodia, tis epibarynoyn tis prospaqeies aytes. Gi' ayto prepei na apofeygontai.

KANELLAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pws sxoliazei h Kybernhsh tis apeiles twn Amerikanwn na epemboyn sto Kossyfopedio, an den breqei lysh;

REPPAS: To Kossyfopedio anhkei sthn epikrateia ths Neas Gioygkoslabias. Den einai nohto opoiadhpote trith dynamh na epembainei kai malista stratiwtika, sta eswterika mias allhs xwras. Pisteyw oti oi anataraxes kai ta prosfata gegonota sto Kossyfopedio deixnoyn oti ekei yparxei mia estia h opoia, dystyxws, mporei na anazwpyrwnetai kata kairoys. Ayta ta gegonota prepei na antimetwpizontai me dialogo, me synennohsh. Pantote h politikh kai h diplwmatia prepei na exoyn ton prwto kai ton teleytaio logo. Prepei na ejantloyntai ola ta periqwria, wste mesw aytwn twn diadikasiwn na antimetwpizontai ta problhmata.

LAKOPOYLOS: Qelw na sas rwthsw, ean kata th gnwmh sas, h xrhsh toy oroy "Makedonia twn Skopiwn" dhmioyrgei problhma sthn aposafhnish twn ellhnikwn qesewn, gia tis opoies eipate oti den exoyn allajei.

REPPAS: Apanthsa s' ayta ta qemata prin, kyrie Lakopoyle, kai apanthsa me leptomereies. Den exei allajei se tipota h politikh mas.

LAKOPOYLOS: Den sas rwtaw ayto. Sas rwtw ean h xrhsh toy sygkekrimenoy oroy, eite apo ellhnikhs pleyras, eite apo dieqnoys pleyras, dhmioyrgei problhma stis ellhnikes qeseis, etsi opws tis eipate kai den exoyn allajei.

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti epidiwkoyme na beltiwsoyme th synergasia mas me th geitonikh xwra. Kai gi ayto akribws, metajy twn allwn, ginontai kai aytes oi episkeceis twn politikwn paragontwn ths mias xwras sthn allh. Den einai dynaton ayth h ekkremothta na apotelesei kaqoristiko empodio, prokeimenoy na anaptyjoyme aytes tis sxeseis. Apo thn allh, den prepei na agnooyme oti yparxei ena qema, to opoio einai anoikto kai ayto to qema apotelei thn aitia gia entash stis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn. Apotelei to empodio, wste na oloklhrwsoyme th synergasia mas, opws emeis epiqymoyme -kai fantazomai oti epiqymei kai h allh pleyra- sto plaisio ths kalhs geitonias.

LAKOPOYLOS: An moy epitrepete, den apotelei mono empodio gi ayto. Apotelei empodio kai se diafores trexoyses drasthriothtes. Gia paradeigma, opoy emfanizetai o oros "MAKEDONIA" se antiproswpeia ths FYROM, yparxei diamartyria kai apoxwrhsh apo ellhnikhs pleyras. Ean emfanizotan o oros "Makedonia twn Skopiwn" h antidrash h h kateyqynsh poy dinei h Kybernhsh stis Yphresies ths k.lp. einai h idia; Qa exoyn thn idia antidrash;

REPPAS: Oi Ekproswpoi olwn twn baqmidwn ths ellhnikhs Kybernhshs sta dieqnh FORA gnwrizete poies qeseis pairnoyn gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma. Pantote epimenoyme, wste h geitonikh xwra na onomazetai me to onoma to opoio kai o OHE ths exei anagnwrisei. To onoma FYROM. Kai ayto ginetai.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to allo qema htan aplh asynennohsia metajy toy k. Giannopoyloy kai toy k. Benizeloy h yparxei qema prowrwn eklogwn, opws grafoyn, shmera, oi efhmerides, meta tis koybentes...

REPPAS: Oyte qema prowrwn eklogwn yfistatai, oyte asynennohsia metajy Ypoyrgwn ekdhlwqhke.

SOYGLERHS: Pws proekyce ayto;

REPPAS: Den proekyce kanena qema. Epanelaban tis qeseis ths Kybernhshs gia to sygkekrimeno antikeimeno, poy einai h Anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos kai, apo thn allh, diatypwsan ws qesh to aytonohto: Oti den einai dynato h oloklhrwsh ayths ths diadikasias, h opoia einai para poly shmantikh, einai neyralgikh gia th leitoyrgia toy Politeymatos mas, na syndeetai me opoiesdhpote politikes epidiwjeis, opws, p.x. ena sxedio gia prosfygh se ekloges. Exoyme pei, kat' epanalhch, oti den yparxei tetoio endexomeno. Oyte kan san skech mas exei apasxolhsei. H Kybernhsh qa oloklhrwsei th qhteia ths kai sto telos ths tetraetoys qhteias ths qa kriqei kai pali apo ton ellhniko lao. Pisteyoyme, omws, oti mesa se ayth thn tetraetia qa exoyn oloklhrwqei oles ekeines oi diadikasies, gia thn Anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos, opws problepetai, wste h epomenh Boylh, poy qa anadeixqei apo tis ekloges poy qa ginoyn to 2000, na mporei na proxwrhsei se epi ths oysias, pleon, apofaseis gia tis diatajeis toy Syntagmatos, poy twra qa apofasisoyme oti qa anaqewrhqoyn.

PARIS: Shmera ta dieqnh Praktoreia anaferoyn oti eginan nees epixeirhseis, apo dynameis asfaleias ths Serbias, sto Kossyfopedio. Qa hqela ena sxolio gia th sklhrh stash toy k. Milosebits. Ayth h politikh poy akoloyqei egkymonei kindynoys gia to Kossyfopedio;

REPPAS: Den einai dynaton na parembw me tetoio tropo, wste na sxoliasw tis drasthriothtes mias Kybernhshs, twn dynamewn ths, kaqws antimetwpizei qemata sto eswteriko ths xwras. Ayto to opoio epanalambanw einai toyto kai mono toyto: Prepei na ginoyn sebasta ta dikaiwmata twn Albanwn poy einai h pleiochfia sto Kossyfopedio, alla, taytoxrona, qa prepei na einai dedomeno kai safes, oti einai eswteriko zhthma ths Gioygkoslabias. Den tiqetai qema enothtas kai kyriarxias ths Gioygkoslabias sto Kossyfopedio apo kanenan. Kai me ayth thn ennoia, opws se kaqe periptwsh, etsi kai sth sygkekrimenh, oi diadikasies ths synennohshs einai aytes, oi opoies prepei na xrhsimopoioyntai gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn.

KANELLAKHS: Apo thn Epitroph toy amerikanikoy Kogkresoy gia thn Asfaleia kai th Synergasia sthn Eyrwph, estalh mia epistolh ston Toyrko Prwqypoyrgo k. Gilmaz, poy ton epikrinei entonotata gia th synexizomenh parabiash twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn. Qa hqela ena sxolio.

REPPAS: Kata kairoys exei kathgorhqei h Toyrkia gia thn politikh poy akoloyqei ston tomea ayto, politikh banayshs parabiashs twn atomikwn dikaiwmatwn, twn politikwn eleyqeriwn twn politwn ths Toyrkias. Gnwrizete poly kala pws kai h E.E. kai alloi Dieqneis Organismoi, exoyn ekdhlwsei analoges qeseis. Mas ikanopoiei to oti yparxoyn isxyra antanaklastika kai stis HPA kai toso shmantika organa diatypwnoyn qeseis, oi opoies, epiteloys, qa prepei na kanoyn kai thn Toyrkia na antilhfqei to adiejodo sto opoio exei perielqei me thn politikh poy akoloyqei. Adiejodo poy ths sterei th dynatothta na enarmonistei me th dieqnh ennomh tajh kai na entaxqei stis diadikasies ths Eyrwpaikhs Enopoihshs, otan se olo ton kosmo, pleon, ginetai antilhpto oti h politikh ths einai politikh se baros twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn.

PARIS: Qa hqela na moy dieykrinisete ta ejhs: Blepw oti sxoliazete me para poly megalh eykolia thn politikh ths Toyrkias, ws pros ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata kai toys Koyrdoys, kai oson afora to qema toy Kossyfopedioy lete oti einai eswterikh politikh, eswteriko qema, toy k. Milosebits kai den mporeite na sxoliasete. Den yparxoyn dyo metra kai dyo staqma;

REPPAS: Epanalambanw tis qeseis tis opoies exei labei h E.E. gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma oson afora thn Toyrkia. Gnwrizete oti exoyme symbalei ki emeis sth diatypwsh aytoy toy plaisioy qesewn ths E.E. gia tis eyrwtoyrkikes sxeseis, poy metajy twn allwn anaferetai kai se ayto to shmeio. Allwste, eipa, molis prin, oti prepei na ginontai sebasta ta dikaiwmata twn Albanwn, poy apoteloyn thn pleiochfia. To eipa ayto dyo fores.

KIAOS: O Prwqypoyrgos, xqes sth Boylh, milhse, prwton, gia polemo symferontwn kai malista eipe na mhn metaferqei o polemos symferontwn sth Boylh, o polemos gyrw apo "thn istoria" ths Flwrinas kai, deyteron, eipe oti aytoi poy antidroyn einai epixeirhmaties. Poioi briskontai apo th mia meria kai poioi apo thn allh, ston polemo kai poioi einai oi epixeirhmaties; Onomata.

REPPAS: Thn prohgoymenh ebdomada ekana ena sxetiko sxolio: Eipa oti, apo th stigmh poy oi diadikasies poy akoloyqhqhkan einai antikeimenikes, diafaneis kai acoges, mporei na ektimhsei kapoios oti to qema synthreitai sthn epikairothta apo oikonomika symferonta, ta opoia epidiwkoyn na krathsoyn anoikto ayto to metwpo syzhthsewn, epeidh akribws exoyn toys dikoys toys logoys. Afenos, den einai dynato na parakoloyqhsoyme ayth thn taktikh, doqentos oti to syntomotero dynato prepei na kataskeyastei to ergostasio kai na pacei na epibarynetai h DEH me th rhtra, thn opoia exei analabei logw ths kaqysterhshs ayths kai afeteroy qa prepei h Kybernhsh na paradwsei ena qetiko ergo. Den einai dynaton oi syzhthseis, oi opoies prokaloyntai, epeidh krybontai symferonta pisw apo tetoies prospaqeies, na akinhtopoioyn thn Kybernhsh kai na aixmalwtizoyn th boylhsh kai th diaqesh mas na dhmioyrghsoyme se mia parameqoria perioxh, neyralgikh, opws einai h perioxh ths Flwrinas, mia nea monada. Otan exoyme akoloyqhsei diadikasies diafaneis, acoges, den antilambanomaste poios einai o logos poy synthreitai ayto to qema. Mporei na ypoqesei kapoios -giati den yparxei allh ejhghsh- oti aytoi poy exoyn oikonomika symferonta epiqymoyn to qema ayto na paramenei anoikto, prokeimenoy na anatrapei h epilogh ths Kybernhshs.

KIAOS: Malista. Sas rwthsa sygkekrimena, oxi gi ayta poy apanthsate prohgoymenws. Poioi einai;

REPPAS: Sas eipa. Mia ektimhsh einai ayth. Den exoyme dikografia prokeimenoy na gnwrizoyme stoixeia, onomata...

KIAOS: Me sygxwreite. Otan bgainei o Prwqypoyrgos sth Boylh kai omilei gia epixeirhmaties, exei profanws sto myalo toy kapoia onomata.

REPPAS: Opoioi exoyn oikonomika symferonta, synhqws, einai epixeirhmaties...

KIAOS: Poioi einai; Sygkekrimena kyrie Ypoyrge.

REPPAS: ... kai dinoyn tetoies maxes .Mporei na ypoqesei kapoios, loipon, oti h syzhthsh ayth synthreitai apo ekeinoys poy exoyn epixeirhmatika symferonta.

KIAOS: Dhladh, ki aytoi poy exoyn ta epixeirhmatika symferonta poy lete, einai poy ebalan ton k. Tsobola, ton k. Kwnstantopoylo, na synthrhsoyn to qema...

REPPAS: Den mporei na to pei kaneis ayto. Thn idia erwthsh dexqhka thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, oson afora efhmerides, MME. Eipa oti ta MME prepei na fwtizoyn ta qemata apo oles tis pleyres. Otan yparxei ylh prepei na thn paroysiazoyn ston ellhniko lao gia na ton enhmerwsoyn. Etsi kai oi politikoi, qemata ta opoia einai sthn epikairothta kai apasxoloyn thn koinh gnwmh, exoyn logo na ta feroyn pros syzhthsh kai sth Boylh. Einai qema dikhs toys politikhs epiloghs, thn opoia den mporoyme na krinoyme. Einai allo to ena, allo to allo.

KIAOS: Pantws, onomata den mas lete eseis...

REPPAS: Ma, den gnwrizoyme onomata. An gnwrizame onomata den qa mename se mia kataggelia onomatwn. Qa mporoysame na analaboyme ki alles prwtoboylies. Einai, omws, mia ektimhsh, thn opoia abiasta mporei na kanei o kaqenas, gia toys logoys gia toys opoioys synthreitai ayth h syzhthsh.

FILHS: H Epitroph Emporioy ths Boylhs zhthse xqes, me prwtoboylia twn boyleytwn olwn twn Kommatwn ths Antipoliteyshs, na parabreqei h ka Papandreoy, se akroash sthn Epitroph kai na ejhghsei orismena pragmata, poy den ejhghse o Prwqypoyrgos, sxetika me to ergostasio ths DEH sth Flwrina. Protiqetai h ka Papandreoy na paei kai pote;

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, prwta prepei na aposafhnisw th qesh mas, epeidh eipate oti den edwse, xqes, ejhghseis o Prwqypoyrgos. Oi ejhghseis, oi opoies doqhkan kai xqes kai oles tis prohgoymenes hmeres, otan syzhthqhke to sygkekrimeno qema, htan plhreis. Apo kei kai pera qa akoloyqhqei kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh h problepomenh apo ton Kanonismo ths Boylhs koinoboyleytikh diadikasia kai ola qa proxwrhsoyn kanonika kai fysiologika. Den exoyme kanena logo, otan prokaloymeqa, na mh syzhtoyme to qema kai na dinoyme apanthseis. Antiqetws, epeidh ola eginan me tropo acogo, epiqymoyme na apantoyme stis proklhseis aytes. Kai pisteyw oti apantoyme peistika.

FASOYLAS: Mhpws exei apofasisei h Kybernhsh thn pwlhsh toy paketoy twn metoxwn ths Trapezas Makedonias-Qrakhs;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti metajy twn allwn Idrymatwn einai kai Trapezes, poy epiqymoyme na doqoyn se idiwtes epixeirhmaties. Ayth einai mia diadikasia, h opoia brisketai se ejelijh. Oi ryqmoi den einai pantote ikanopoihtikoi, alla o stoxos einai dedomenos. Exoyme milhsei gia tis etaireies h tis epixeirhseis h ta idrymata ekeina, ta opoia epiqymoyme na doqoyn sthn idiwtikh prwtoboylia.

PARIS: H Trapeza Makedonias Qrakhs qa poylhqei;

REPPAS: Den qa milhsw gia thn Trapeza Makedonias - Qrakhs. Gnwrizete oti, exoyme anakoinwsei, oti ayto afora epixeirhseis, oi opoies me ton enan h ton allon tropo, prokeitai na allajoyn kaqestws. Dinw mia poly genikh apanthsh. Kaname mia agonh prospaqeia gia thn Trapeza Krhths, h opoia epanalambanetai.

PARIS: Epikeitai episkech ths kas Olmprait sthn Aqhna;

REPPAS: Den yparxei tetoios programmatismos.

MPEQANH: Kati dieykrinistiko qa hqela na rwthsw: to prwi htan programmatismenh mia syskech ypo ton Prwqypoyrgo gia to qema ths chfiakhs Thleorashs.

REPPAS: Nai, eixame mia syskech kai exoyme anakoinwsei oti stis 5 to apogeyma, sto Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn, me to synadelfo k. Mantelh, qa kanoyme anakoinwseis gia to qema ayto.

KIAOS: Mhpws, me thn eykairia, eipate kati perissotero me ton Prwqypoyrgo gia alla qemata; Mporeite na mas enhmerwsete;

REPPAS: Oxi, den mas apasxolhse kapoio allo qema, peran toy trexontos programmatos toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Tis epomenes hmeres, peran toy ayrianoy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, o Prwqypoyrgos qa pragmatopoihsei episkeceis sto Londino kai thn Praga. Einai programmatismeno na ginoyn syzhthsh pro hmerhsias diatajews gia thn koinwnikh politikh sth Boylh kai synedriash -me to idio qema- ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK. Qemata poy aforoyn ton programmatismo ths doyleias toy Prwqypoyrgoy syzhtoyme. Den syzhtoyme gia politika zhthmata, ta opoia aforoyn tis armodiothtes twn synadelfwn ypoyrgwn. Ayta ta syzhtoyn oi synadelfoi me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Syzhtoyme mono qemata organwtika h texnika stis synanthseis aytes.

KIAOS: Kai epikoinwniaka...

REPPAS: Monon otan yparxei prosdiorismenh synanthsh gia to peri oy o logos qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, telika ta Grafeia Typoy poy anhkoyn twra sto Ypoyrgeio Typoy, qa ypagontai sto ejhs sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, symfwna me to neo Organismo;

REPPAS: Asfalws, oxi. Den allazei tipota se sxesh me th leitoyrgia twn Grafeiwn Typoy. Den prokyptei ayto apo ton Organismo. Exoyme kanei me ton k. Pagkalo tis sxetikes synennohseis. Aplws, epanalambanetai to aytonohto, to opoio allwste sthn prajh pantote isxye, oti o Ellhnas Presbhs se kaqe xwra einai o epikefalhs kai proistamenos olwn twn yphresiwn toy ellhnikoy kratoys poy leitoyrgoyn sth xwra ayth. Den allazei tipota.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy isxye, giati to bazoyn;

REPPAS: Afoy diatypwnetai kai pali ena keimeno Organismoy!

STAMATOPOYLOS: To prohgoymeno keimeno toy Organismoy htan etsi;

REPPAS: Mhn jexnate, oti o prohgoymenos Organismos htan parwxhmenos. Ayto gia to opoio eimai safhs -to epanalambanw kai malista me kathgorhmatiko tropo- oson afora ta Grafeia einai toyto: Den allazei se tipota h leitoyrgia twn Grafeiwn Typoy. Den allazei to kaqestws, to opoio ta diepei. Synexizoyn kanonika th leitoyrgia toys. Kai pragmatika, einai shmantiko na pw, oti oi yphresies twn Grafeiwn Typoy -den gnwrizw gia tis yphresies poy epopteyontai apo alla ypoyrgeia- exoyn epityxei mia aristh synergasia me toys Presbeis h tis diplwmatikes Arxes ths Elladas stis diafores xwres.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai giati twra...;

REPPAS: Ma den allazei. Sas lew oti den allazei to kaqestws. Eseis epimenete oti allazei. Exete ayth thn apoch.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Aytoi, omws, poy ergazontai sta Grafeia Typoy lene oti allazei.

REPPAS: Den allazei. Stelexwnontai me apofaseis ths Yphresias, oi opoies qa lambanontai me ton idio tropo. Ta stelexh qa krinontai opws krinontai mexri twra apo to Ypoyrgeio kai to Yphresiako Symboylio. Apla, qa prepei na einai safes -ayto to shma dinetai an qelete- oti to synolo twn Yphresiwn ths xwras mas sto ejwteriko, exei epikefalhs ton Ellhna Presbh sthn kaqe xwra. Oyai kai alimono, ean synebaine to antiqeto.

* Qa moy epitrecete, kleinontas, na kanw ena sxolio gia ena qema to opoio eida na syzhteitai, oson afora thn kwdikopoihsh ths nomoqesias gia ergasiaka kai syndikalistika qemata: Den prokyptei opoiadhpote diafora. Ta dikaiwmata twn ergazomenwn einai apolytws sebasta. Den einai dynaton, allwste, mesw ths katartishs enos Proedrikoy Diatagmatos na ginontai ryqmiseis oi opoies metaballoyn to periexomeno nomwn poy exoyn chfistei. Ginetai apla mia kwdikopoihsh ths nomoqesias gia logoys leitoyrgikoys. Ta keimena twn nomwn, dhladh, metaferontai ws eniaio keimeno se ena P. D. Ayto to P. D. elegxetai apo to Symboylio ths Epikrateias. Den yfistatai, loipon, opoiodhpote qema allagwn. Kakws dhmioyrghqhke qorybos.

FILHS: Laqos yparxei se ayth thn kwdikopoihsh;

REPPAS: Egw den gnwrizw to keimeno, alla epanalambanw oti se oles tis periptwseis -kai sth sygkekrimenh- an yparxei laqos, to Symboylio ths Epikrateias qa to entopisei. Kai ayto to opoio prepei na einai bebaio -kai krathste to- einai to ejhs: Den einai dynato se ena P.D. na ginoyn ryqmiseis, oi opoies na allazoyn, epi ths oysias, to periexomeno, nomwn poy exei chfisei h Ellhnikh Boylh.

FILHS: Ayto to endexomeno den to gnwrize to Grafeio toy k. Ypoyrgoy, otan katartize thn eishghsh;

REPPAS: Ma, den yparxei kanena tetoio qema. To qema dhmioyrghqhke apo ekeinoys poy pistecan oti h epanalhch, aytoleji qa elega, toy keimenoy twn nomwn aytwn se ena P.D. dhmioyrgei kainoyrgia dedomena. Den dhmioyrgei kanena kainoyrgio dedomeno. Einai aplh epanalhch. Tipota allo. Prepei na einai safes ayto.

KARELIAS: Tesseris, pente -den gnwrizw ton ariqmo- kybernhtikoi boyleytes katachfisan shmera ton kaqhghth k. Oikonomidh poy proorizotan ws epikefalhs toy Idrymatos Ellhnikoy Politismoy. To sxolio sas.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw akribws to apotelesma ths chfoforias. Gnwrizw oti eprokeito na ginei shmera ayth h synedriash. Prepei na pw oti einai mia koinoboyleytikh diadikasia, h opoia den ypokeitai se periorismoys, oyte einai dynato me dioikhtiko h peiqarxiko tropo oi boyleytes na periorizontai ws pros to dikaiwma poy exoyn na ekdhlwnoyn tis protimhseis toys. H diadikasia ayth qa epanalhfqei. Pisteyoyme oti h protash gia ton kaqhghth k. Oikonomidh einai swsth kai qa prepei h topoqethsh toy na egkriqei. Ayton qewrei h Kybernhsh ws to pleon katallhlo proswpo, prokeimenoy na teqei epikefalhs toy Idrymatos Ellhnikoy Politismoy.

FILHS: Exoyn dikaiwma na katachfizoyn oi boyleytes kai h Kybernhsh na epimenei sthn idia ypochfiothta;

REPPAS: Oi boyleytes ejefrasan thn protimhsh toys, thn apoch toys.

FILHS: Kai h Kybernhsh epimenei;

REPPAS: Ma den katachfisthke, me thn ennoia oti yphrje isochfia. H Kybernhsh qa ektimhsei to apotelesma ayths ths chfoforias. Prepei, omws, na krinoyme ta pragmata me bash kai thn proswpikothta toy proteinomenoy. Kai prepei na sas pw oti o kaqhghths ths Byzantinhs Istorias k. Oikonomidhs einai ena proswpo me dieqnh anagnwrish, to opoio h Kybernhsh qewrei oti mporei na prosferei sth qesh ayth. Gi' ayto akribws protaqhke. Kai pisteyoyme oti qa prepei na ginei dekth h ypochfiothta toy k. Oikonomidh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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