Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-02-27

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 27.2.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase shmera, apo koinoy, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai h Politikh Grammateia toy PASOK. Egine mia ektimhsh twn qematwn ths epikairothtas. Ena qema to opoio syzhthqhke afora tis epiqymhtes allages se texnika zhthmata ths eklogikhs diadikasias. Gia to qema ayto qa kanei dhlwseis o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Papadopoylos, o opoios qa milhsei me leptomereies. Epishs, egw enhmerwsa toys symmetexontes sta organa gia thn politikh poy akoloyqoyme ston tomea twn Meswn Mazikhs Enhmerwshs. Meta th lhjh ths koinhs synedriashs, ta melh ths Politikhs Grammateias synexisan th syzhthsh toys gia alla kommatika qemata.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti akribws symbainei kai syzhthsate twra gia thn eklogikh diadikasia; Ti epikeitai; Mhpws allagh toy eklogikoy nomoy;

REPPAS: O eklogikos nomos periexei to eklogiko systhma kai tis organwtikes, dioikhtikes kai texnikes diadikasies me tis opoies yposthrizetai h eklogh boyleytwn. H syzhthsh mas shmera den aforoyse to eklogiko systhma, oyte kata dianoia. To qema ayto den brisketai oyte kan sth skech mas. H syzhthsh, etsi opws eishghqhke to qema o k. Papadopoylos, aforoyse kai perioristhke se texnika qemata. Tipota allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poia einai ayta ta texnika qemata;

REPPAS: H epikairopoihsh, fer' eipein, kai o eksygxronismos twn eklogikwn katalogwn. Oi eklogikoi katalogoi prepei na ananewnontai, na epikairopoioyntai. Qanontes h diploeggegrammenoi na mh symperilambanontai. Perilambanetai epishs to qema ths chfoy twn eterodhmotwn. Einai ena qema to opoio exei apotelesei antikeimeno syzhthshs polles fores kai mas apasxolei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti apofasisate gi' ayto;

REPPAS: Den phrame kamia apofash. Gia ta qemata ayta, opws sas eipa, qa kanei dhlwseis o k. Papadopoylos. Prepei na pw, pantws, oti gia ta qemata ayta poy exoyn mia krisimh politikh diastash, qa epidiwxqei kai qa ejasfalistei h megisth synainesh twn kommatwn, prokeimenoy na katalhjoyme se ryqmiseis gia thn antimetwpish ekkremothtwn. Epiqymoyme na antimetwpisoyme to qema ayto, ths dynatothtas dhladh twn eterodhmotwn na chfizoyn ston topo katoikias toys kai na mh xreiazetai na metakinhqoyn, prokeimenoy na askhsoyn to eklogiko dikaiwma toys. Alla oi ryqmiseis gia ton tropo me ton opoio ayto mporei na ginei efikto, qa syzhthqoyn me ta alla kommata kai meta apo th syzhthsh kai th symfwnia toys, qa proxwrhsoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati jafnika tiqetai qema eklogikhs diadikasias; Mhpws epikeintai prowres ekloges;

REPPAS: Oxi mono den yparxei qema prowrwn eklogwn, alla antiqetws h syzhthsh aytwn twn texnikwn qematwn einai epikairh, epeidh akribws to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn katartizei nomosxedio, to opoio anaferetai se texnika zhthmata ths eklogikhs diadikasias. Enocei, loipon, ths oloklhrwshs aytoy toy nomosxedioy, kriname oti eprepe na syzhthsoyme orismena qemata, se mia prwth fash, s' ayto to organo. Prepei na sas pw oti h oloklhrwsh aytwn twn texnikwn diadikasiwn, apaitei kapoio xroniko diasthma, pragma to opoio odhgei sto teleiws antiqeto apo to diko sas symperasma: oti oi ekloges oxi mono den qa ginoyn twra, alla einai bebaio oti qa ginoyn tote, to 2000, poy h paroysa kybernhsh oloklhrwnei th qhteia ths. Mexri tis ekloges toy 2000 qa exoyme petyxei kai thn oloklhrwsh aytwn twn diadikasiwn poy hdh jekinoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xronodiagramma yparxei; Pote qa kataqesei sth Boylh to nomosxedio o k. Papadopoylos;

REPPAS: Mesa stoys epomenoys mhnes, mexri to kalokairi.

MPOYRDARAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate oti egine ektimhsh ths epikairothtas. H epikairothta perilambanei tis ejelijeis sth Nea Dhmokratia, perilambanei thn oikonomia. Egine kapoia anafora se ayta apo ton Prwqypoyrgo h ta alla melh poy phran meros sth synedriash;

REPPAS: Prepei na pw oti egine mia synoptikh anafora stis politikes ejelijeis. Diapistwsame oti h Nea Dhmokratia exei adynamia na aposafhnisei ton ideologiko kai politiko prosanatolismo ths. Fainetai pws qa synexisei na adynatei na ekpemcei ena sygkekrimeno programmatiko logo. Me ayth thn ennoia h reystothta sthn pleyra ekeinh toy politikoy fasmatos, pisteyoyme oti qa synthrhqei. Qewroyme pws h prospaqeia poy kanei h Kybernhsh gia na antapokriqei sto rolo ths den prepei na apodynamwqei, na yponomeyqei apo thn epikentrwsh toy dhmosioy symferontos se politikes ejelijeis s' ena sygkekrimeno komma h oson afora diergasies oi opoies, toylaxiston me ta osa eseis metaferete sthn koinh gnwmh, fainetai pws einai se ejelijh. Emeis kai pali epanalabame to staqero prosanatolismo mas, na proseggisoyme qetika ta qemata, na antimetwpisoyme dhladh ta problhmata ths xwras. Ayto einai to kaqhkon mas. Xwris perispasmoys, xwris eteroprosdiorismoys apo tis ejelijeis se alla politika kommata. Epishs, h politikh thn opoia akoloyqoyme sto xwro ths oikonomias, idiaiterws gia thn yposthrijh ths isotimias toy eqnikoy nomismatos einai apotelesmatikh. Fainetai oti kai h synach toy daneioy, sthn opoia proxwroyme ginetai me oroys tetoioys poy apodeiknyoyn thn empistosynh poy trefoyn oi jenoi Oikoi sthn ellhnikh oikonomia sthn anqektikothta kai thn ikanothta ths. Ola ayta einai shmeia ta opoia apoteloyn aceydeis martyres gia thn orqothta twn xeirismwn poy exoyme kanei gia ta qemata ayta, mexri twra.

FILHS: Xqes, h olomeleia toy Areioy Pagoy elabe kapoies apofaseis, oi opoies aforoyn kai dhlwseis toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy, toy k. Giannopoyloy, alla kai eyryteres diatajeis poy efarmozontai kai anaferomai stoys taktikoys koinoboyleytikoys elegxoys dikastikwn apofasewn. Yparxei kapoio sxolio ek meroys ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na mhn kanw sxolio gia apofaseis poy lambanei h olomeleia twn dikastwn toy Areioy Pagoy. Apla, qa parameinw se mia qesh, poy exw diatypwsei kai alles fores. Asfalws, yparxei diakrish ejoysiwn. Asfalws, o kaqenas askei thn armodiothta gia to diko toy xwro kai den prepei na yparxei oyte allhloepikalych, oyte eisxwrhsh sta eswterika ths leitoyrgias h ths ejoysias poy diaqetei ena Swma, prokeimenoy na antimetwpizei ta qemata poy toy exoyn anateqei. Ayta einai safh. Einai orioqethmena kai den prepei na apoteloyn phges dhmioyrgias problhmatwn.

FILHS: Dhladh, h praktikh toy koinoboyleytikoy elegxoy twn dikastikwn apofasewn qa synexistei sth Boylh;

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, hmoyn para poly safhs. H diadikasia toy koinoboyleytikoy elegxoy einai mia diadikasia poy problepetai apo to Syntagma kai ton kanonismo ths Boylhs. Einai mia diadikasia poy exei prosdiorismeno syntagmatiko kai qesmiko plaisio kai den prokeitai na syrriknwqei. Alla den prokeitai na apotelesei kai diadikasia epibolhs qesewn h apocewn se mia aytonomh ejoysia, opws einai h Dikastikh.

KARELIAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, se ayth th shmerinh prwinh syskech mhpws syzhthqhke kai to qema toy ergostasioy ths Flwrinas;

REPPAS: Ayto to qema den syzhthqhke. Apla, me bash thn apofash poy labame sto prosfato Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, epanabebaiwsame th qesh mas, epeidh synthreitai ena klima amfisbhthsewn kai yparxoyn sxetika dhmosieymata. H qesh mas, lew, bebaiwqhke kai epanabebaiwqhke, giati h kataskeyh toy ergostasioy prepei na proxwrhsei to syntomotero dynato. Giati, oi diadikasies poy akoloyqhsame einai diafaneis, einai acoges. Einai diadikasies, oi opoies odhgoyn sthn ejyphrethsh toy dhmosioy symferontos kai thn anabaqmish mias parameqorioy perioxhs me thn idrysh ekei enos ergostasioy poy kai apasxolhsh qa prosferei, alla qa symballei kai sthn ayjhsh toy topikoy eisodhmatos. Antilambaneste pws oi kritikes, oi opoies diatypwnontai gi' ayth thn ependysh exoyn diafora kinhtra, afoy sygkroyontai oikonomika symferonta. Ayto poy h Politeia prepei na kanei einai na staqmizei kaqe fora ta dedomena kai na lambanei tis telikes apofaseis ths me bash to eqniko kai dhmosio symferon. Kai pantote tis apofaseis aytes tis lambanoyme me antikeimenikes, diafaneis kai anepilhptes diadikasies, wste na mhn epitrepoyme se opoiondhpote na amfisbhthsei oxi monon thn orqothta twn epilogwn mas, alla ton acogo diadikastika tropo me ton opoio probainoyme se aytes tis epiloges. Yparxei apanthsh, se shmerino dhmosieyma, apo thn idia thn Epixeirhsh, th DEH. Pisteyw oti h apanthsh ayth einai apokalyptikh. Lypoymai giati synexizetai ayth h kritikh ths epiloghs na proxwrhsoyme, to syntomotero dynato, sthn kataskeyh toy ergostasioy. H kaqysterhsh, opws poly kala gnwrizete, synepagetai ena dysmenes oikonomiko apotelesma gia th DEH, afoy qa prepei na katabalei rhtres, logw ayths ths kaqysterhshs. Prepei, to syntomotero, na proxwrhsoyme sthn kataskeyh toy ergostasioy. Einai aparadekto ayth h epilogh na brisketai sto pedio twn antiparaqesewn, ws stoixeio enos paignioy. Den prepei, giati apo poyqena den prokyptei tetoios logos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den diafwnei kanenas me thn kataskeyh toy ergostasioy, alla diafwnoyn ws pros to timhma, to opoio exei diplasiastei. O Prwqypoyrgos qa to syzhthsei sth Boylh, thn Tetarth, poy exei mia epikairh erwthsh;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti h apofash ayth, thn opoia labame sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, den einai ayqaireth. Sthrizetai se kapoia dedomena. Prwta kai kyria sth meleth, thn opoia ekane o anejarthtos ektimhths. O anejarthtos ektimhths epelegh me diadikasies, oi opoies einai peran opoiasdhpote amfisbhthshs me apofash kybernhtikoy organoy, ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs. Antilambaneste, loipon, oti to timhma to opoio exei symfwnhqei, opws leei kai to porisma toy anejarthtoy aytoy Oikoy, einai apolytws eylogo kai antagwnistiko. Oydeis logos, loipon, dikaiologei opoiadhpote kritikh epi toy shmeioy aytoy. Oson afora twra to sygkekrimeno qema, asfalws, pantote eimaste sth diaqesh twn endiaferomenwn, ef' oson qetoyn pros syzhthsh to sygkekrimeno zhthma na dinoyme tis analoges apanthseis. Thn Tetarth, sto plaisio ths "Wras toy Prwqypoyrgoy" asfalws o Prwqypoyrgos qa labei to logo kai qa dwsei apanthseis se aytoys oi opoioi qeloyn na syzhthqei ayto to qema. Kai gnwrizw oti epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos exoyn kataqesei erwthseis o k. Tsobolas kai o k. Kwnstantopoylos. O Prwqypoyrgos exei kaqe logo, opws kai ola ta melh ths Kybernhshs, na syzhtoyme qemata gia ta opoia eimaste apolyta peismenoi gia thn orqothta twn epilogwn mas.

MOYRTZHS: Entajate sth synthrhsh kai sth sygkekrimenopoihsh aytoy toy qematos th sygkroysh oikonomikwn symferontwn. To erwthma moy einai, ean qewreite ekdotes poy exoyn diaforetikh apoch apo thn Kybernhsh, ferefwna sygkekrimenwn organwmenwn symferontwn.

REPPAS: Pisteyw apolyta oti oi ekdotes kai oi dhmosiografoi exoyn ypoxrewsh na prosferoyn enhmerwsh ston Ellhniko Lao. Kai enhmerwsh prosferoyn otan paraqetoyn oles tis apoceis, oles tis ekdoxes, oi opoies einai sth diaqesh toys, prokeimenoy kai o Ellhnikos Laos na gnwrizei oles tis parametroys kai tis diastaseis epi enos sygkekrimenoy zhthmatos. Apo ekei kai pera, epeidh akribws den antilambanomaste, ws Kybernhsh, to logo gia ton opoio synthreitai ayth h epiqesh, h kritikh stash apenanti stis epiloges ths Kybernhshs logiko einai na ypoqesei kaneis -ki emeis ayto kanoyme- oti logoi symferontwn einai aytoi oi opoioi ypokinoyn se mia diarkh anazwpyrwsh ayth th syzhthsh gia ena qema to opoio prepei, to syntomotero dynato, na kleisei. Hdh, h kaqysterhsh twn arketwn mhnwn einai megalh ki exei epibarynei me arketa dis draxmes th DEH.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Shmera apokalyptetai oti oi idies etaireies sthn Toyrkia, malista se mia perioxh pio dyskolh apo th Flwrina, kateqesan mia aisqhta katwterh prosfora gia thn kataskeyh, oxi aplws idioy ergoy, alla megalyteroy. Ayto to stoixeio to eixe ypoch toy to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio otan apofasize pro 10 hmerwn;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete thn apanthsh poy exei ekdwsei, shmera, h DEH gia to sygkekrimeno qema; Thn exete ypoch sas;

MAKRYGIANNHS: Oxi, den thn exw ypoch moy.

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti gia to qema ayto apanta me leptomereies h DEH. To deltio Typoy einai sth diaqesh sas.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Egw rwtw gia to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

REPPAS: Ma gi ayto, akribws. Kai prepei na sas pw oti h apanthsh poy dinetai sto sygkekrimeno qema einai apolytws epibebaiwtikh ths orqothtas twn epilogwn poy exoyme kanei. Anaferetai ws aitia gia thn askhsh kritikhs, to o,ti sthn Toyrkia oi times gia enan staqmo, o opoios brisketai sto stadio ths ajiologhshs kai qa kataskeyastei mesa apo diadikasies diagwnismoy kai oxi diapragmateyshs twn orwn ths symbashs me sygkekrimeno kataskeyasth, opws problepotan sth dikh mas periptwsh, einai times oi opoies, kat' aytoys poy diatypwnoyn ayth thn kritikh, odhgoyn se xamhlotero timhma. Omws toys diafeygei -kai yparxei apanthsh ths DEH epi olwn aytwn twn shmeiwn-oti polloi einai oi paragontes ekeinoi oi opoioi prepei na synektimhqoyn gia na bgaloyme teliko symperasma. Prwta ap' ola sthn Toyrkia einai tesseris monades twn 350 MW h kaqemia, dhladh, synolikhs isxyos 1400 MW. O ariqmos twn monadwn kai h metajy toys omoiothta dhmioyrgei megales oikonomies, apo pleyras sxediashs, biomhxanopoihshs, kataskeyhs kai kata synepeia prosforas. Ektimatai oti ej aytoy kai mono, toy logoy, h ejoikonomhsh einai ths tajhs toy 25%. Deyteron, den prepei na parablepetai oti to kostos twn ergatikwn, ths biomhxanopoihshs, ths anegershs, twn ergwn politikoy mhxanikoy sthn Toyrkia einai shmantika mikrotero apo ta antistoixa posa sth dikh mas xwra. H ektimoymenh ejoikonomhsh gia to sygkekrimeno krithrio einai ths tajhs toy 20%. Yparxoyn, epishs, alla qemata, poy exoyn sxesh me tis prodiagrafes. Ektimatai, dhladh, oti oi tesseris monades, den exoyn tis prodiagrafes, tis opoies exoyme epilejei emeis, gia to ergostasio ths Flwrinas. Opws einai, gia paradeigma, o "yperkrisimos lebhtas" poy, kata thn ektimhsh toy anejarthtoy ektimhth ths LAHMEYER, epibarynei to kostos kata 10%, sth dikh mas periptwsh. Lebhtas poy den problepetai sthn kataskeyh toy ergostasioy ths Toyrkias. Den einai, epishs, dynaton na agnohsoyme to oti emeis epilejame thn perioxh Axladas-Meliths kai oxi to Amyntaio kai gia logoys periballontikoys, epeidh einai poly epibarhmenh h perioxh sto Amyntaio. Kai prepei na pw oti se sygkrish me tis monades ths Toyrkias, stis opoies anaferetai o diatypwnwn ayton ton isxyrismo, yparxei poly megalh diafora. H dhlwqeisa prosfora gia thn kataskeyh ergostasioy sthn Toyrkia den antapokrinetai stis apaithseis periballontikwn orwn poy isxyoyn gia xwres-melh ths E.E., opws einai h dikh mas. Pws to parablepete ayto; Kai prokyptei, ej aytoy toy logoy, mia ejoikonomhsh ths tajhs toy 8%, opws ypologizetai. Ean loipon, ta synektimhsete ola ayta qa deite oti, telika, to timhma to opoio symfwnhqhke sthn Ellada einai mikrotero, peripoy, kata 7% -mesw olwn aytwn twn ypologismwn katalhgei kaneis s' ayto to symperasma- apo to timhma to opoio exei symfwnhqei gia thn kataskeyh twn tessarwn monadwn sthn Toyrkia. Ara, loipon, yparxoyn analytikes apanthseis, shmeio pros shmeio, gia ola ayta ta qemata tis opoies den prepei na agnohsoyme. Epanalambanw oti an pragmatika yparxei kapoios logos, o opoios afora to dhmosio symferon, th diafaneia h thn ajia ths ependyshs, asfalws exei qesh kai h syzhthsh. Den prepei, omws, h syzhthsh ayth na synthreitai gia logoys entypwsewn kai mono.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kai to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai o ektimhths gnwrizan ti akribws symbainei me thn prosfora gia to ergo ayto sthn Toyrkia;

REPPAS: Den syzhthqhke to qema ayto sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, opws den syzhthqhke to synolo twn fakelwn poy yparxoyn gia to sygkekrimeno ergo. Ayto qa htan kai adynato, alla kai politika -qa moy epitrecete na pw- anorqodojo. Syzhthsame ta kentrika shmeia ayths ths epiloghs poy exoyme kanei edw kai arketo kairo, sto plaisio symfwnias poy exoyme me th Rwsia, gia thn kataskeyh toy ergostasioy aytoy sth Flwrina.

MAKRYGIANNHS: O ektimhths to gnwrize k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Den mporw na ginw ekproswpos toy ektimhth.

MAKRYGIANNHS: O armodios Ypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw poios gnwrizei ti. Den einai dynato na zhtate, ayth thn wra, na gnwrizw tis xiliades selides poy periexei aytos o fakelos h na gnwrizw ti gnwrizei opoiosdhpote allos, oson afora to periexomeno toy fakeloy.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Einai dynaton na mhn syzhthqhke, na mhn enhmerwqhke to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio h na mhn enhmerwqhke o ektimhths gi ayto to stoixeio, otan exei jeshkwqei tosos qorybos toys teleytaioys mhnes, toses syzhthseis...

REPPAS: Apodeiknyetai oti to stoixeio ayto epibebaiwnei thn orqothta ths epiloghs mas. Giati h ependysh sthn Toyrkia, thn opoia paroysiazoyn ws ependysh me kalyteroys oroys apo toys dikoys mas, den einai etsi. Einai ependysh h opoia ginetai me ychlotero timhma, throymenwn twn analogiwn. Allwste, o anejarthtos ektimhths, o germanikos Oikos, o opoios diatypwse to gnwsto porisma, einai gnwstos, ajiopistos kai egkyros. Pws to parakamptete ayto; Pws agnoeite oti anaqesame se enan Oiko, o opoios exei dieqnh anagnwrish, na mas kanei th dikh toy protash gia to timhma kai o Oikos aytos, akoloyqwntas dyo meqodoys kai analytikh kai sygkritikh, katelhje sto oti to timhma einai eylogo kai antagwnistiko kai malista einai mikrotero se pososto 5% h 6%, analogws an to krineis me thn analytikh h th sygkritikh meqodo, apo to timhma to opoio qa mporoyse na eixe symfwnhsei h DEH.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epeidh to eipate treis fores: Mporei, dhladh, na anaprosarmostei pros ta panw to timhma;

REPPAS: Den yparxei tetoio qema. Kai epeidh, akribws, den qa ginei ayto, sas kalw na epainesete thn politikh ths DEH kai ths Kybernhshs, poy ejasfalise ayth thn oikonomia toy 5% h 6%. Giati, loipon, den to kanete;

FILHS: Den einai doyleia mas, kyrie Ypoyrge, na epainoyme.

REPPAS: To jerw oti den to kanete. To jerw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ejhnta dis panw phge. Ki allo;

REPPAS: Ma gia oloys aytoys toys isxyrismoys, epilejame ki emeis ayth th diafanh diadikasia, prokeimenoy na doqoyn apostomwtikes apanthseis. Doqhkan, didontai kai qa didontai, kaqe fora poy prokaloymeqa.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epeidh miloyme gia terastia posa, opws dhmosieyse xqes kai to "PONTIKI", edw fainetai oti telika to kostos ths Flwrinas qa ftasei sta 220 ews 230 dis draxmes. Dhladh, pame se mia prosfora diplasia. Einai logiko estw ki an yparxoyn kapoioi paragontes poy diaforopoioyn to kostos ths kataskeyhs apo th mia sthn allh xwra;

REPPAS: Den antilambanomai giati qa prepei na mhn proxwrhsei ayth h ependysh, h opoia egine me bash sygkekrimenh symfwnia. Den prepei na sas diafeygei oti ypoxrewqhke h DEH na proxwrhsei se diapragmateysh twn orwn ths symbashs me sygkekrimeno kataskeyasth. Den ths epitraphke na kanei diagwnismo. Ayto, ek twn pragmatwn, orizei -an qelete- kai enan periorismo twn kinhsewn poy eixe h DEH. Alla, ayth htan h symfwnia poy eixe kanei h xwra mas gia thn eisagwgh toy fysikoy aerioy kai prepei na timhsoyme th symfwnia poy exoyme kanei.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Den qa mporoysan na epanadiapragmateyqoyn to akribes timhma;

REPPAS: Ayto qa mporoyse, prwton, na ginei efoson symfwnoyn kai oi dyo pleyres. Deyteron, qa mporoyse na epidiwjei na to epityxei ayto h mia pleyra, an pragmatika katalhgame sto symperasma oti to timhma, to opoio symfwnhsame, den htan eylogo kai antagwnistiko. Edw, prokyptei apo thn Ekqesh ths LAHMEYER oti to timhma htan eylogo kai antagwnistiko. Ara, prepei na proxwrhsei h ependysh, to syntomotero dynato. Arketa epibarynqhke h DEH me tis rhtres, tis opoies ypoxrewnetai na plhrwnei.

MOSXOBAS: Giati h Kybernhsh ejakoloyqei na emmenei sthn apoch ths monomeroys epikyrwshs ayths ths symbashs, kaqws mas eipate prohgoymenws oti gia ena toso shmantiko qema, poy aptetai oikonomikwn symferontwn, den perase apo th Boylh,, opws arxikws eixe pei h Kybernhsh. Kai to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio mas eipate oti den eixe gnwsh...

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei kat' epanalhch s' ayta ta erwthmata. Kai malista epikalesthka dhlwseis politikwn paragontwn, ths periodoy ekeinhs toy Aprilioy '97kai toy Ioylioy '97, oi opoioi se oloys toys tonoys elegan tote "oti den prepei mia tetoia symbash na syzhthqei sth Boylh, giati h Boylh den mporei na ginei plynthrio apaths" h "den prepei na ginei kolymbhqra toy Sylwam", opws eipe kapoios allos h "den prepei na nomimopoiei ayqairesies", opws eipe kapoios tritos. Twra, oloi aytoi oi opoioi ekeina isxyrizontan, erxontai kai zhtoyn na syzhthqei to qema sth Boylh. Ayto den problepotan apo thn arxh.

MOSXOBAS: Twra mas lete oti oyte to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio eixe ypoch toy, basika stoixeia ayths ths symbashs.

REPPAS: To Ypoyrgiko Symboylio den htan o diapragmateyths me thn allh pleyra, prokeimenoy na katartisei mia symbash. Htan h DEH.

MOSXOBAS: Den epopteyei th DEH to armodio Ypoyrgeio;

REPPAS: H DEH klhqhke na diapragmateytei toys oroys ths symbashs me sygkekrimeno kataskeyasth. To epanalambanw gia pollosth fora. Kai h DEH, opws apodeiknyetai apo thn ekqesh LAHMAYER, ekane to kalytero dynato, afoy ejasfalise timhma eylogo kai antagwnistiko. Mikrotero kata 5% me 6% apo ayto poy qa mporoyse na prokycei gia na qewreitai epishs qemito.

MOSXOBAS: Xwris na exei ypoch ths ta sygkritika stoixeia omws;

REPPAS: Ta eixe ypoch ths ola ayta ta stoixeia. Allwste, oi fakeloi einai tomoi oloklhroi. Einai enteka (11) tomoi, oi fakeloi ths symbashs.

MOSXOBAS: Ta eixe ypoch ths ta stoixeia ayta dhladh!

REPPAS: Ma, h syzhthsh gia to ergostasio sthn Toyrkia egine poly meta. Ayto to opoio gnwrizw einai oti h LAHMAYER exei kanei meleth, elegxo, prokeimenoy na katalhjei se ena porisma. Kai apo to porisma ayto bgainei to symperasma sto opoio anaferqhkame polles fores. Kai shmera, molis prin, milhsame gi' ayto.

MOSXOBAS: Eipate nwritera oti einai logiko na ypoqesei h Kybernhsh oti logoi symferontwn synthroyn to qema. Katalogizete, dhladh, stoys ekdotes kai stis efhmerides oti ekproswpoyn symferonta kai gi' ayto ypokinoyn kai synthroyn to qema;

REPPAS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy edwsa ston k. Moyrtzh. Apanthsa ston k. Moyrtzh gia to idio qema.

MOSXOBAS: Eyqews qelw na moy apanthsete.

REPPAS: Eyqews apanthsa. Moy kanei entypwsh.

MOSXOBAS: Epeidh den qewrw oti apanthsate eyqews, qa hqela na dwsete mia safh apanthsh.

REPPAS: Eipa oti oi ekdotes kai oi dhmosiografoi exoyn ypoxrewsh na enhmerwnoyn thn Koinh Gnwmh. Na paraqetoyn oles tis apoceis oi opoies yparxoyn gia ena sygkekrimeno qema. Oles tis ekdoxes. Ayto einai h enhmerwsh. Apo ekei kai pera an kapoioi synthroyn ayto to qema, bebaiws einai ypoxrewmenoi oi leitoyrgoi twn Meswn Enhmerwshs, to qema ayto na to fwtizoyn apo oles tis pleyres.

MOSXOBAS: Ma to fwtizoyn, afoy trofodotoyn me nea stoixeia thn enhmerwsh, ta opoia, opws eipate prin, den htan se gnwsh oyte toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, oyte toy ektimhth, oyte kan toy armodioy Ypoyrgeioy.

REPPAS: Den ta gennoyn oi dhmosiografoi ta stoixeia ayta. Eseis pairnete mia prwth ylh, prokeimenoy na th diaxeiristeite gia na anadeijete ta qemata ths epikairothtas. Egw lew gia ekeinoys oi opoioi dhmioyrgoyn thn prwth ylh, me thn kakopisth stash toys. Kai logiko einai aytoys na toys anazhthsei kaneis sto xwro twn oikonomikwn symferontwn. Poy alloy;

ELENOPOYLOS: Na gyrisoyme ligo sthn arxh aytoy toy qematos, epi ths oysias. O Prwqypoyrgos shmera ekane kapoia topoqethsh ep' aytoy; Anaferqhke kaqoloy s' ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Se poio qema;

ELENOPOYLOS: Sto qema toy ergostasioy ths Flwrinas.

REPPAS: Oxi.

LAKOPOYLOS: To qema poy eishghqhkate eseis gia thn politikh sta Mesa Mazikhs Enhmerwshs, afora thn epikoinwniakh sas politikh;

REPPAS: Afora thn politikh poy akoloyqoyme ston tomea twn Meswn Mazikhs Enhmerwshs, me tis diadikasies gia thn egkaqidrysh nomimothtas sto radiothleoptiko topio.

GARGALAKOS: Den milhsate kaqoloy gia thn probolh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy;

REPPAS: H syzhthsh ayth, allwste, meta thn eishghsh moy, logw xronoy den htan dynato na oloklhrwqei. Qa ginei se mia epomenh fash me tis parembaseis twn syntrofwn, stelexwn ths Politikhs Grammateias kai ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs.

LAKOPOYLOS: Den apanthsate. Milhsate gia to pws qa probalete to kybernhtiko ergo;

REPPAS: Apanthsa. Eipa oti aforoyse thn politikh mas sto xwro twn M.M.E. Allwste, den egine syzhthsh, logw periorismenoy xronoy.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Mia eyqeia erwthsh: epeidh kanate genikh anafora, profanws anaferqhkate kai sta tektainomena sth Nea Dhmokratia.

REPPAS: Eisagwgika kai poly syntoma. Den egine ektetamenh syzhthsh.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Yparxei ektimhsh se sas, dhladh sthn Kybernhsh kai sto komma sas, oti shmera dhmioyrgoyntai synqhkes tetoies gia th sygkrothsh kainoyrgioy politikoy forea sto xwro ths dejias;

REPPAS: Einai kati poy den mas apasxolei. Sas eipa oti emeis qeloyme qetika na proseggizoyme ta qemata. Gnwrizoyme poio einai to baros to opoio prepei na shkwsoyme ws Kybernhsh. Qeloyme na epityxoyme sto ergo mas. Ayto mas endiaferei. Apo ekei kai pera h reystothta poy yparxei sto xwro ths Neas Dhmokratias einai agnwsto poy mporei na odhghsei. Polles ektimhseis mporei na ginoyn. Ayto poy mas endiaferei einai na mhn eteroprosdioristoyme. Den qeloyme na apospasei thn prosoxh mas h to endiaferon mas h enasxolhsh mas me tis anakatatajeis, oi opoies mporei na yparjoyn se ena allo politiko komma. Eimaste afosiwmenoi sto kybernhtiko ergo.

GARGALAKOS: Qa eisaste eytyxeis.

REPPAS: Otan asxoleisai me ena toso ploysio kybernhtiko ergo panta eisai eytyxhs.

KARELIAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o Amerikanos Ypoyrgos Gkrosman ekane xqes mia dhlwsh, oti h katastash sto Aigaio einai poly epikindynh. Den enoxleitai h Kybernhsh apo ayth th dhlwsh, otan malista kapoioi lene oti eimaste se mia periodo poy twra ftiaxnontai ta toyristika paketa toy kalokairioy;

REPPAS: Kata kairoys ginontai diafores dhlwseis, oi opoies exoyn kai ena xarakthra kindynologias. Gnwrizete poly kala, mia kai anaferqhkate sta qemata Toyrismoy, oti to kalokairi ta ellhnika nhsia einai paradeisenia. Den nomizw oti kapoios qa apotrapei apo tetoies kindynologies na episkefqei ta nhsia. Exw th gnwmh, omws, oti yparxei ena qema. Kai to qema ayto afora amesws th symperifora ths Toyrkias. An yparxei kindynos sto Aigaio, o kindynos aytos prokyptei apo thn atakth stratiwtikh drash ths Toyrkias h th symperifora ths, h opoia synthrei thn entash stis sxeseis ths me thn Ellada. O k. Gkrosman kai oloi oi ajiwmatoyxoi oi opoioi endiaferontai gia thn antimetwpish aytwn twn endexomenwn kindynwn, mporoyn me qetiko tropo na paremboyn kai na anazhthsoyn th lysh ekei poy yparxei to problhma.

KOGIANNHS: Emmesws dexeste kai eseis oti yparxei problhma;

REPPAS: Kanena problhma. Aplws lew oti yparxei ena qema, otan anaptyssetai atakth stratiwtikh drash apo thn Toyrkia.

FILHS: Xqes, o Proedros ths Dhmokratias episkefqhke ton Arxiepiskopo sto nosokomeio. Prokeitai na ton episkefqei kai o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos esteile thlegrafhma ston Makariotato me tis eyxes toy gia grhgorh anarrwsh. Epishs, o Ypoyrgos Paideias k. Arsenhs metefere tis eyxes toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai to endiaferon toy kai mas enhmerwse gia thn katastash ths ygeias toy Makariotatoy. Einai krisimh h katastash. Elpizoyme na jeperasei grhgora ayth th dokimasia.

Sas eyxaristw. Kalo trihmero.

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