Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-02-26

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 26.2.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

H syzhthsh sth Boylh gia ta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs, idiaiterws gia qemata poy aforoyn to NATO kai tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis, einai se ejelijh. H omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai sth diaqesh sas

Den exw na kanw, eisagwgikws, kapoia anakoinwsh. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Pws sxoliazete tis apeiles ths Toyrkias gia "qermo epeisodio", meta thn apanthtikh epistolh poy phre apo thn Ellada gia tis perifhmes proypoqeseis Tzem, gia eirhnh k.t.l.;

REPPAS: Anafereste sthn anakoinwsh toy toyrkikoy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn poy ekdoqhke xqes. Sthn anakoinwsh ayth epanalambanontai oi gnwstes toyrkikes qeseis, dianqismenes me aparadektes apeiles, oi opoies mallon ekneyrismo fanerwnoyn. H Toyrkia den mporese na krycei ayth th fora tis pragmatikes diaqeseis ths. H Ellada exei proteinei tropoys kai mhxanismoys gia thn empedwsh ths eirhnhs kai ths staqerothtas sthn perioxh, pragma to opoio mas endiaferei idiaiterws. Kai mas endiaferei, giati epididomaste ws xwra kai ws laos se mia sklhrh prospaqeia na entaxqoyme sthn Oikonomikh kai Nomismatikh Enwsh, na enisxysoyme dieqnws th qesh mas, pragma to opoio shmainei oti epiqymoyme na yparxei sthn perioxh staqerothta kai hremia. Den epiqymoyme entash. H entash epibarynei ayth thn prospaqeia thn opoia kanoyme. H Toyrkia, antiqetws, akoloyqei mia politikh proklhtikh, epiqetikh. Arneitai na symmorfwqei me to Dieqnes Dikaio. Arneitai na sebastei tis Dieqneis Synqhkes. Paroysiazotan me ena proswpeio, proteinontas to dialogo gia thn proseggish twn dyo xwrwn. Otan, omws, h epikoinwnia ekproswpwn twn dyo xwrwn den exei sygkekrimeno antikeimeno kai den ginetai basei sygkekrimenwn kanonwn, ti nohma exei; Emeis epiqymoyme ayth thn epikoinwnia. Kai epikoinwnia yparxei epi sygkekrimenwn qematwn. Pantote, bebaia, ayth h epikoinwnia einai entos toy plaisioy poy orizetai apo to sebasmo toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy kai thn thrhsh twn Dieqnwn Synqhkwn. Epanalambanoyme pws oi protaseis mas gia thn eirhnh, th staqerothta kai thn asfaleia sthn perioxh, einai periektikes, einai paragwgikes, einai synetes kai mporei na apodeixqoyn apotelesmatikes. H Toyrkia anti na kathgorei thn Ellada, mporei na kanei kati kalytero: Na mimhqei thn Ellada, prokeimenoy h politikh ths na bohqhsei kai thn idia na entaxqei sth dieqnh ennomh tajh, etsi wste kai o toyrkikos laos kai h geitonikh xwra na apokthsoyn mia kalyterh sxesh me to dieqnh paragonta.

SOYRMELH: Ap' o,ti katalabainw kai apo to anakoinwqen poy ebgale xqes to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, diaceydete ton ekproswpo toy toyrkikoy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn poy leei oti h Ellada aperrice anafandon oles tis protaseis poy ekane h toyrkikh pleyra. Kala katalabainw;

REPPAS: Exei doqei apanthsh s' ayto to qema...

SOYRMELH: Nai, kyrie Ypoyrge, alla prepei na jeroyme. Nai h oxi;

REPPAS:... apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn dia ths epishmoy odoy. H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh den kanei politikh mesw twn Meswn Enhmerwshs. Den antallassei apoceis me th geitonikh xwra mesw anakoinwsewn oi opoies diakinoyntai apo tis thleoraseis h dhmosieyontai stis efhmerides. Dexthkame mia protash pente shmeiwn toy k. Tzem. Apanthsame -kai sas einai gnwsth h apanthsh poy dwsame- me tetoio tropo, wste na einai safhs h qesh mas. Ayto einai to plaisio ths politikhs mas. Den exei diatypwqei kapoia allh protash. Mia anakoinwsh eixame apo to toyrkiko Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn kai gi' ayth thn anakoinwsh kanoyme ena sxolio, epeidh qesate erwthma.

SOYRMELH: Kata th dikh sas apoch, einai diaceysh ayth h anakoinwsh;

REPPAS: Ma, h apanthsh sth rhmatikh diakoinwsh ths Toyrkias exei doqei epishmws. Anatrexontas s' ayth, mporeite na gnwrizete me leptomereies poies einai oi qeseis mas. Bgainei abiasta to symperasma poia einai h politikh thn opoia akoloyqoyme. Me rwtate an aporricame th rhmatikh diakoinwsh ths Toyrkias. Ma exete thn apanthsh sth diaqesh sas. To gnwrizete, poia apanthsh exoyme dwsei.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Sto "BHMA THS KYRIAKHS" o presbhs k. Makrhs poy htan armodios epi twn qematwn aytwn kata thn periodo '78-'79, ena xrono prin, ena xrono meta, se mia analysh poy kanei, anaferei sygkekrimena epiteygmata dialogoy apo tote. Exete kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: H epikoinwnia kai h synennohsh einai kai shmera epiqymhth. Epiqymoyme p.x. na proxwrhsei h diadikasia ths synanthshs twn empeirognwmonwn, ws koinotikh prwtoboylia, kati poy arneitai h Toyrkia. Epiqymoyme na yparxei, sto plaisio ths prwtoboylias poy anelabe o Genikos Grammateas toy NATO k. Solana, epikoinwnia kai synergasia twn ekproswpwn twn dyo xwrwn gia ta qemata poy aforoyn ta metra oikodomhshs empistosynhs. Elpizoyme h syneth stash poy epideiknyoyme emeis, na einai stash poy qa epideijei kai h allh pleyra, wste na ejeyreqei lysh kai se ayto to antikeimeno. Den exoyme arnhqei pote ayth thn epikoinwnia. Thn epiqymoyme. Alla, epanalambanw, prepei na einai sygkekrimenos o logos, to periexomeno kai o tropos ths epikoinwnias. Opoiadhpote xwra ana ton kosmo ki an ferete sto myalo sas den qa breite na exei diaforetikh stash apo ayth thn opoia molis twra epishmainw. Den einai dynato na proxwrhsoyme se mia politikh diapragmateysh me bash tis monomereis ajiwseis poy diatypwnei h allh pleyra. Peri aytoy prokeitai. Epikoinwnia bebaiws na exoyme. Me sebasmo, omws, sto Dieqnes Dikaio kai tis Dieqneis Synqhkes, me thn ajiopoihsh twn diadikasiwn poy apoteloyn katakthseis ths dieqnoys ennomhs tajhs. Kai bebaiws, me pneyma kalhs geitonias kai filias.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Anaferomai se sygkekrimeno istoriko paradeigma sto opoio o presbhs briskei kai qetika shmeia. Ayto eseis to apodexeste;

REPPAS: Mporoyme na anaferoyme istorika prohgoymena ta opoia an qelete na ta baloyme telikws se mia zygaria, gia na bgaloyme symperasma, qa sas elega oti martyroyn thn apexqeia ths Toyrkias na symmorfwqei me to Dieqnes Dikaio. Mhn jexnate oti einai mia xwra h opoia eynoei thn katoxh enos tmhmatos anejarthtoy kratoys-meloys toy OHE gia para polla xronia. Kai ayto ta leei ola.

KWSTANTHS: O "ELEYQEROS" dhmosieyei shmera ton isologismo toy 1996 ths epixeirhshs "Promhqeas GAZ", gia th dianomh fysikoy aerioy, h opoia exei tziro 6,5 disekatommyria kai paroysiazetai na kerdizei peripoy 4,5 disekatommyria. Epeidh oi dosolhcies ths en logw etairias exoyn na kanoyn me to Dhmosio, pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti mia etairia paroysiazei ayto to terastio kerdos ths tajews toy 70%, poly perissotero poy brisketai sto arxiko stadio h ypoqesh fysikoy aerioy;

REPPAS: Oi isologismoi katartizontai me tetoio tropo, wste na ypokeintai se elegxo, oson afora thn akribeia kai thn pistothta toys. Den einai dynato egw na mpw s' ayto to sxoliasmo, ayth thn wra. Den eimai armodios na to kanw. Kai den einai dynato na exw sth diaqesh moy ta stoixeia ekeina, prokeimenoy na exw ena teliko symperasma. Pantote epiqymoyme, oi epixeirhseis oi opoies drasthriopoioyntai kai sthn Ellada, na einai kerdofores. Giati ayto synartatai amesws me thn proodo kai thn oikonomikh anaptyjh. Pantote, bebaiws, epiqymoyme ayto na epitygxanetai me kanones oi opoies ypakoyoyn ston ygih antagwnismo, stoys ygieis kai diafaneis oroys me toys opoioys prepei na leitoyrgei mia eleyqerh oikonomia. Otan ayta ekplhrwnontai, pisteyoyme oti den yparxei problhma.

KAKABAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pws sxoliazete thn ekqesh toy Goldman Sachs kai thn agwnia poy ejefrase xqes gia paradeigma o k. Ebert gia ypotimhsh ths draxmhs;

REPPAS: Exoyme pei oti kata kairoys ekdhlwnontai pieseis enantion toy eqnikoy nomismatos, me stoxo kapoiwn kyklwn thn ypotimhsh ths draxmhs. H Kybernhsh exei antimetwpisei aytes tis pieseis mexri twra apotelesmatika. Prepei na sas pw oti exoyme labei ola ta aparaithta metra, prokeimenoy h prospaqeia mas ayth na einai apolytws epityxhs, akoma ki an ekdhlwqoyn nees pieseis. Lypoymaste giati o prwhn Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias, enanti pinakioy dhmosiothtas, metatrepetai se ferefwno organismwn, twn opoiwn oi qeseis yponomeyoyn oysiastika, ej antikeimenoy, to eqniko nomisma. Lypoymaste an kapoioi epidiwkoyn, di' aytoy toy tropoy, na ejasfalisoyn thn parembash sta dhmosia pragmata ths xwras, akomh ki otan me thn parembash toys ayth gnwrizoyn oti blaptoyn thn prospaqeia poy kanei h xwra mas, oxi mono h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh, gia th diathrhsh ths isotimias toy nomismatos mas me ta alla nomismata, pragma to opoio apotelei, kata th dikh mas apoch -kai nomizw oti den yparxei diaforetikh apoch sto qema ayto- ek twn wn oyk aney stoixeio, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme toys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei.

KARASABBA: Yparxei kapoia antidrash ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs sxetika me to diabhma toy Israhl kai tis dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy gia "symmaxies kakwn";

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos diatypwse mia politikh qesh, h opoia einai sto plaisio twn oswn kai palaiotera exoyme pei. Eimaste enantion ths "politikhs ajonwn", giati pisteyoyme oti den eynooyn th staqerothta sthn eyryterh perioxh. Qeloyme oles oi xwres na exoyn metajy toys kales sxeseis. Eimaste yper twn synergasiwn se polymeres epipedo. Bebaiws, ekfrasthke apo thn pleyra toy Israhl ayth h enstash. Prepei na pw, omws, oti qa htan kalytero, na mhn yparxoyn logoi na diatypwnontai tetoies qeseis h na ekdhlwnontai tetoies symperifores, wste na mhn prokyptoyn kai apotelesmata ta opoia skiazoyn tis sxeseis metajy twn xwrwn. Emeis epiqymoyme kales sxeseis me oles tis xwres, kai bebaiws kai me to Israhl. Exoyme, allwste, polla koina stoixeia. Epiqymoyme na yparxei filikh synergasia. Alla, ayto den ejartatai mono apo emas.

FILHS: O Prwqypoyrgos xqes, meta th synanthsh toy me ton k. Karakwsta, ton anejarthto boyleyth, proanhggeile kyklo synanthsewn me proswpikothtes poy anhkoyn se diaforoys politikoys kai koinwnikoys xwroys. Yparxei kati pio sygkekrimeno;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kapoios programmatismos. O Prwqypoyrgos, otan zhtoyn synanthsh mazi toy politikoi paragontes, kat' oikonomia toy programmatos toy, toys synanta kai syzhta mazi toys. To exei kanei kai sto parelqon. To kanei twra, qa to kanei kai sto mellon. Mporw na anaferw paradeigmata. Exei synanthsei kai boyleytes, oi opoioi den anhkoyn sto PASOK. Den ginetai prwth fora ayto.

FILHS: H dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy den einai, "osoi me kalesoyn h osoi epiqymoyn na synanthqoyn mazi moy", deixnei mia prwtoboylia.

REPPAS: Epanalambanw oti ayto einai kati to opoio exei ginei kai sto parelqon. Lew kai pali oti o Prwqypoyrgos, kat' oikonomia twn wrwn kai toy programmatos toy, mporei na synanthsei politikoys paragontes -opws synanta genikws paragontes ths dhmosias zwhs gia na syzhta mazi toys ta qemata ths xwras.

SOYRMELH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ti mesolabhse, otan eixan ginei ta koina israhlo-toyrkika gymnasia, ti ton ekane na milhsei kata twn "ajonwn" -alla eixate pei oti den strefontai enantion allwn xwrwn- ti mesolabhse apo tote mexri twra, wste o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn na milhsei gia "symmaxia kakwn";

REPPAS: Gi' ayta ta qemata exoyme syzhthsei kai exoyme dwsei apanthseis. Den mesolabhse tipota. Ayth einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs ejwterikhs politikhs. Mia qesh, h opoia epidiwkei thn hremia sthn perioxh kai thn anaptyjh ths polymeroys synergasias twn xwrwn ths perioxhs.

Eyxaristw poly.

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