Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-01-29

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 29.1.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Sas problhmatizoyn ta xqesina epeisodia stis topikes organwseis toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Ayta einai qemata me ta opoia asxoleitai to PASOK. Mporw na pw omws, mias kai qesate to qema, oti sto plaisio ths leitoyrgias enos kommatos antallassontai apoceis gia toys koinoys stoxoys. Ayto apexei para poly apo to na poyme oti einai epeisodiakos o tropos aytos. Ejalloy, se ena politiko komma symmetexoyn oloi, epeidh to epiqymoyn oi idioi, den toys ypoxrewnei kaneis. Logiko einai, loipon, na analambanoyn kai orismenes desmeyseis, metajy twn allwn, kai gia ton tropo me ton opoio dhlwnoyn th symmetoxh toys s' ayto to komma.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mhpws h Kybernhsh asxolhqhke h problhmatisthke gia to poioi krybontai pisw ap' ayto to ideologikopolitiko manifesto poy dhmosiopoihqhke xqes;

REPPAS: Den mas exei apasxolhsei kaqoloy, doqentos oti kykloforoyn polla keimena anypografa. Den einai dynaton ayto na apotelesei antikeimeno ths prosoxhs mas. Allwste, oi apoceis oi opoies ekfrazontai gia ta politika zhthmata ths xwras h gia ta problhmata ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, yparxei dynatothta na broyn diodo pros th dhmosiothta, mesw synenteyjewn, dhlwsewn, omiliwn. Ayto einai kati to opoio ginetai kai to gnwrizete.

SOYGLERHS: Mhpws oi prwtagwnistes m' ayth th dhmosiopoihsh qeloyn etsi na anoijoyn metwpo h kapoia sygkroysh me thn hgesia ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Giati na kanoyme oles aytes tis ypoqeseis; As arkestoyme sto na ejetazoyme ta pragmatika dedomena. Kai milhsa gia pragmatika gegonota.

KIAOS: Eipate oti den sas apasxolhse kaqoloy;

REPPAS: To oti kykloforoyn keimena ta opoia malista den exoyn ypografh, einai dynaton na apoteloyn antikeimeno ths prosoxhs mas;

KIAOS: Entajei, apla zhthsa th dieykrinish giati den eixa akoysei kala. Ena deytero erwthma sxetika me to neo "mploko", poy diabazw sthn "ELEYQEROTYPIA", ton ariqmo 2 ths Agkyras poy epiballei sto Aigaio, me tis askhseis poy paei na kanei k.t.l. gia to Febroyario. Prwton, pws antimetwpizete ayth th synexomenh energeia gia ena deytero mhna; Kai deyteron, se sxesh me thn ejelijh twn apofasewn poy elhfqhsan sto NATO gia th nea domh, pws blepete ta pragmata;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, qesate dyo qemata: To ena afora thn toyrkikh askhsh. Exei zhthsei h Toyrkia, ypoballontas sxetika aithmata, na desmeysei orismenes perioxes, prokeimenoy na diejagagei gymnasia apo tis arxes mexri ta mesa toy epomenoy mhna. Gnwrizete oti kati analogo eixe prajei kai ton Ianoyario, stis arxes toy mhna. Telika, den diejhgage thn askhsh ayth. Efoson to aithma to opoio ypoballetai einai symfwno me toys kanones oi opoioi diepoyn to nomiko kaqestws ths perioxhs, h Yphresia Politikhs Aeroporias, poy exei thn eyqynh toy elegxoy sto FIR Aqhnwn, qa ekdwsei tis analoges notam. Se ayth th diadikasia eimaste twra. Otan den einai symfwno m' ayto to nomiko kaqestws, den ekdidetai notam, opote akoloyqeitai allh diadikasia, sas einai gnwsth. Oson afora to deytero qema, gia ta oria eyqynhs, h apofash h opoia elhfqh se sxesh me th nea domh toy NATO, metajy twn allwn problepei thn oristikh katarghsh toys se olo ton kosmo, opoy, dhladh, to NATO exei logo paroysias kai parembashs, opoy ta melh toy NATO askoyn drasthriothtes. Emeis, epeidh h apofash ayth den exei efarmostei, eimaste se mia diadikasia epikoinwnias, di' allhlografias, me to NATO. Ekfrazoyme thn antirrhsh mas gia thn katarghsh aytwn twn egxeiridiwn sta opoia anafereste. Eimaste s' ayto to shmeio. Epanalambanw oti ta oria eyqynhs aforoyn oles tis xwres. Den aforoyn oi apofaseis aytes mono th xwra mas. Aforoyn kai thn Toyrkia kai tis alles xwres toy NATO, aforoyn oles tis perioxes opoy exei paroysia to NATO.

KIAOS: Dhladh, isxyei to oti entos toy ejamhnoy qa prepei na lyqoyn ta problhmata texnikhs fysews k.t.l.;

REPPAS: Exei anakoinwqei oti ton Ioynio qa lhfqoyn telikes apofaseis. Ayth thn periodo eimaste se diadikasia dialogoy gia to pws qa ejeidikeyqei to plaisio to opoio symfwnhqhke, otan apofasisthke h nea domh toy NATO.

KIAOS: Pantws, sto reportaz poy diabazw, oi Toyrkoi me th notam -h Agkyra, en pash periptwsei, gia na ginw pio komcos sthn ekfrash moy- zhtoyn na kinhqoyn se merh sto Aigaio, opoy mpainoyn mesa apo ta 10 milia. Na mhn apariqmhsw, exete ypoch sas gia ta merh ayta. Ayto pws symbibazetai; Rwtw, epeidh to qewroyn ws kekthmeno meta thn apofash toy NATO.

REPPAS: Den exei sxesh to ena me to allo. To qema twn 10 miliwn, oson afora to eyros toy ellhnikoy enaerioy xwroy, einai ena qema to opoio exei qesei h Toyrkia. Den exei sxesh me th nea stratiwtikh domh toy NATO. Emeis, epeidh den einai h prwth fora poy oi Toyrkoi qetoyn tetoio qema, prokeimenoy na diejagagoyn askhseis toys, exoyme pagia qesh, thn opoia kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh qa epanalaboyme. Otan, loipon, diatypwqei ayth h aithsh apo pleyras ths Toyrkias kai ekfrastei h dikh mas diafwnia, gnwrizete ti ginetai s' aytes tis periptwseis. Oi perioxes aytes khryssontai epikindynes gia tis pthseis twn aeroskafwn. Yparxei ena eidos apokleismoy, qa elega, gia tis perioxes aytes. Den eimaste, omws, akomh s' ayto to shmeio. Anamenoyme, loipon, na oloklhrwqei ayth h diadikasia kai tote qa einai safes pws qa antimetwpisoyme to sygkekrimeno qema.

KIAOS: Pantws, epeidh anaferqhkate prohgoymenws sta egxeiridia kai eseis, rwtw: Pws antimetwpizete to oti me thn apofash ayth poy elhfqh tote, kai me thn katarghsh twn egxeiridiwn, mporoyn na petoyn ta aeroskafh toy NATO, ara kai ta toyrkika, xwris proeidopoihsh mesa s' ayth th grammh, sto FIR Aqhnwn k.t.l.;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, oi telikes apofaseis qa lhfqoyn ton Ioynio. Eimaste se mia diadikasia dialogoy gia to pws qa ejeidikeytei to plaisio to opoio apofasisame. Mexri na lhfqoyn oi telikes apofaseis, den yparxei logos twra na syzhtoyme leptomereies.

KIAOS: Oxi, den einai "leptomereies" ayto.

REPPAS: Einai, me thn ennoia oti h katarghsh twn egxeiridiwn h opoia zhteitai apo kapoioys, emas mas briskei antiqetoys se kapoies periptwseis. Einai ena qema to opoio syzhtoyme ayth thn wra. Sas eipa oti antallassontai eggrafa, einai se ejelijh allhlografia.

KIAOS: Yparxei apanthsh ths Aqhnas sto oti to Aigaio, opws yposthrizei h Agkyra, einai hmikleisth qalassa gia ta 12 milia k.t.l.;

REPPAS: Koitajte. To Aigaio diepetai apo ena kaqestws to opoio yparxei edw kai para polla xronia. To kaqestws ayto einai aporroia Dieqnwn Synqhkwn kai twn Kanonwn toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy poy prepei na ginontai sebastoi, na throyntai ap' oloys. Ayto prepei na kanei h Toyrkia.

BITSENTZOY: Gnwrizete na moy epibebaiwsete thn plhroforia, oti h Ellada hdh apo to '63 -kai to epibebaiwse ayto to 1979- exei paraithqei, gia tis natoikes askhseis, apo thn epektash peran twn 6 naytikwn miliwn toy enaerioy xwroy;

REPPAS: Exoyn ginei natoikes askhseis, epeidh kai h Ellada symmeteixe sto NATO, mesa s' ayto to xwro. Ayto exei ginei polles fores sto parelqon kai to gnwrizete. Edw omws, milame gia askhseis ths Toyrkias, den milame gia natoikes askhseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos, prin apo liges meres, eipe sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio oti epeleje toys pio ikanoys, toys adekastoys kai timioys gia na stelexwsoyn thn 15melh Epitroph twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Ti ton ekane, xqes, na anaferqei treis fores kata th synanthsh poy eixe mazi toys, sto qema ths diafaneias, na toys ypodeiknyei oti prepei na einai timioi kai na leei oti h gynaika toy Kaisaros den prepei na einai mono timia, alla kai na fainetai;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, egine ayth h synanthsh me ta melh ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs kai asfalws h epanalhch aytwn twn qesewn, epibebaiwnei, thn proteraiothta poy exei gia mas, metajy twn allwn, to qema ths diafaneias kai ths antikeimenikothtas, oson afora tis diadikasies, th xrhsth dioikhsh kai th diaxeirish twn kondyliwn. Einai ena poly shmantiko qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den einai bebaios oti epeleje aytoys toys timioys;

REPPAS: Epeidh akribws, ayto einai gia mas qema proteraiothtas, epeleghsan oi kalyteroi metajy twn pollwn katallhlwn, prokeimenoy na brei efarmogh to pneyma ayths ths politikhs mas, opws to exei ekfrasei o Prwqypoyrgos kai para polloi akomh.

KIAOS: Epeidh pali anaferqhke sta qemata twn epidiwjewn kai twn symferontwn -kai nomizw ejairese Ypoyrgoys- poioys ennoei;

REPPAS: Apanthsame gia ta qemata ayta k. Kiao...

KIAOS: Kai xqes to eipe.

REPPAS: Asfalws. Den einai antikeimeniko gegonos ayto; Giati qelete na epanalaboyme qeseis, tis opoies me leptomereies exoyme pei oles aytes tis hmeres;

KIAOS: Syggnwmh den diabasa, parolo poy eleipa...

REPPAS: Exei mia aytonohth ajia h epishmansh ayth.

KIAOS: Epitrecte moy, rwtw gia onomata sygkekrimena. Den diabasa tetoio pragma...

REPPAS: Den onomase kaneis sygkekrimenoys paragontes...

KIAOS: Gi' ayto sas erwtw.

REPPAS: Ti me rwtate; Otan den exei onomasei kaneis kapoion allon, eseis qelete na onomasoyme emeis twra kapoion allon.

KIAOS: Ma, anaferqhke o Prwqypoyrgos...

REPPAS: Se onomata oydeis anaferqhke.

KIAOS: Anaferqhke o Prwqypoyrgos stis epidiwjeis kai ta symferonta.

REPPAS: To ekane. Kai milhsame gi' ayta polles fores, legontas ...

KIAOS: Poioi einai; Ta onomata toys.

REPPAS: Leicate tis prohgoymenes hmeres.

KIAOS: Sas erwtw twra, epeidh eleica.

REPPAS: Qa sas parapemcw, loipon, afoy qetete etsi to erwthma, stis apanthseis poy edwsa tis prohgoymenes hmeres.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exete pei, kyrie Ypoyrge, tis prohgoymenes meres onomata;

REPPAS: Kaneis den anefere onomata. Den teqhke tetoio qema pote.

KIAOS: Ma, poios qetei to erwthma; O Prwqypoyrgos to eqese monos toy.

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos, gia na mhn sas koyrazw...

KIAOS: Aploystata, otan omilei o Prwqypoyrgos -kai malista sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio- kai sth synexeia bgainei anakoinwsh to brady, xwris na to exete pei eseis ....

REPPAS: Mas pate mia ebdomada pisw.

KIAOS: Anejarthtws aytoy...

REPPAS: Sas parakalw poly. Sas kalw, afoy to qetete etsi, na diabasete ta praktika twn syzhthsewn mas tis prohgoymenes hmeres. Sas parapempw s' ayta.

KIAOS: Egw qa sas rwthsw gia teleytaia fora kai qa epimeinw. Kai qa rwtaw kaqe mera. Pisw apo epidiwjeis kai symferonta, den yparxoyn para mono proswpa. Poia proswpa einai;

REPPAS: Gia ola ayta ta qemata ta opoia eqesan oi synadelfoi sas epimonws tis prohgoymenes hmeres, exoyme dwsei apanthseis. Sas parakalw na melethsete tis apanthseis aytes.

KIAOS: Nai, alla den dwsate onomata. Ayto einai to problhma.

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, oydeis eqese qema onomatwn.

KIAOS: O Prwqypoyrgos to eqese.

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos, antikeimenika, eipe oti logiko einai se tetoies ejairetikes periptwseis, opws einai h diorganwsh mias Olympiadas, na energopoioyntai mhxanismoi oi opoioi epidiwkoyn na prowqhsoyn symferonta. Ayto einai aytonohto, einai antikeimeniko, einai anamenomeno. Den einai kati kainoyrgio.

KIAOS: Se anamenomena anaferqhke;

REPPAS: Den einai kati to opoio skepteste ki eseis; Giati ayth h diatypwsh skechs dhmioyrgei entypwsh; Isa-isa einai apodeijh eilikrineias kai hqoys gia enan politiko h gia ton Prwqypoyrgo ths xwras, en prokeimenw.

MOYRTZHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge sas ejeplhje h protash Laliwth, na efarmostei to "poqen esxes" gia thn 15melh Epitroph, dedomenoy oti gia thn Omada Diekdikhshs ths Olympiadas den eixe efarmostei to metro ayto, giati den yphrxe paromoia protash Laliwth. Kai deyteron, poy brisketai to qema twn kataggeliwn toy kyrioy Sofoylh gia diaspaqish toy dhmosioy xrhmatos sthn Epitroph Diekdikhshs twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti kaqe metro, to opoio mporei na symbalei, wste na yparxei diafaneia stis diadikasies poy aforoyn th diaxeirish xrhmatwn, prepei na antimetwpizetai qetika. Eimaste, loipon, poly qetikoi se tetoioy eidoys epishmanseis. Kai prepei na pw oti yparxei diafora metajy mias prospaqeias gia th diekdikhsh ths Olympiadas kai ths sygkrothshs twn Organismwn h ths kataskeyhs twn ergwn poy apaitoyntai, prokeimenoy na diorganwqei h Olympiada. Einai dyo diaforetika pragmata. Oi dikastikes Arxes exoyn asxolhqei me to qema ayto, ej oswn gnwrizw. Qelw, omws, na mhn eimaste adikoi kai na tonisoyme thn prospaqeia poy katebalan ta melh ths Epitrophs Diekdikhshs twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn me epityxh apotelesmata, wste h Ellada na gnwrisei ayth thn koryfaia diakrish, na analabei, dhladh, th diorganwsh ths Olympiadas toy 2004. Ayto den prepei na to parablepoyme. Oloi -epeidh polloi symmeteixan me diaforetikh o kaqenas proeleysh s' ayta ta organa- synebalan o kaqenas apo thn pleyra toy. Kai oloi, qa elega, eixan mia kalh koybenta na poyn gia th syllogikh ayth prospaqeia, ton koino tropo me ton opoio edwsan th maxh gia na kerdisoyme th diorganwsh. Ara, loipon, mhn eimaste memcimoiroi, mhn eimaste adikoi kai ypobibazoyme thn ajia poy exei h epityxia ayths ths prospaqeias. Apo ekei kai pera, ta qemata diafaneias einai shmantika. O,tidhpote mporei na symbalei s' ayth thn kateyqynsh, to ejetazoyme me megalh prosoxh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Omws, kyrie Ypoyrge, ton k. Sofoylh h Kybernhsh ton ebale na cajei. Den ton ebale kanenas allos na cajei, poy lete na mhn eimaste memcimoiroi. Eseis ton balate na cajei ta kondylia.

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, exete mia antilhch, oti opoioi epilegontai gia na kalycoyn mia qesh, payoyn na exoyn pia th leitoyrgikh kai proswpikh aytonomia toys kai metaballontai se kommatika organa h "pionia" kata to koinws legomeno. Den symbainei ayto. Kaqenas exei thn proswpikothta toy. Kai akribws, logw ayths ths proswpikothtas toy krinetai kai epilegetai gia tetoies shmantikes qeseis. Den einai dynaton, pantoy na blepete meqodeyseis h sxedia. Kai ayto ginetai para poly syxna.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Tis anakriseis poios tis dietaje; H Kybernhsh den tis dietaje;

REPPAS: Asfalws oxi, k. Stamatopoyle. H Kybernhsh einai yperhfanh, giati h prospaqeia h opoia egine apo th sygkekrimenh Omada gia th Diekdikhsh twn Agwnwn estefqh me epityxia kai h Ellada, gia prwth fora meta kai thn anepityxh prohgoymenh prospaqeia, exei th dynatothta na diorganwsei ayth thn Olympiada sto jekinhma ths triths xilietias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai kati allo: Eipate oti den zhthse kaneis onomata. Onomata zhthsan o arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs kai o k. Kwnstantopoylos. Prokeitai o Prwqypoyrgos na toys apanthsei;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei apanthsei me megalh safhneia kai me leptomereia gia ola ayta ta qemata. Kai prepei na pw oti...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Anwnyma...

REPPAS: ...o kaqenas mporei na qetei qema onomatwn. Kai eseis, sta kala kaqoymena, mporeite na kaleite kapoion na anaferei onomata. An o allos, omws, ston opoio apeyqyneste, den exei qesei tetoio qema onomatologias, pws ton kaleite na to kanei meta apo diko sas aithma;

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos ta eipe sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

REPPAS: Den anaferqhke me ayton ton tropo o Prwqypoyrgos. Mhn epimenete. Edwsa apanthseis tis prohgoymenes hmeres gi' ayta ta qemata. Kai prepei kapoios na einai parwn kai apo ta symfrazomena na mporesei na bgalei ena safes nohma. STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn sto deltio grammena k. Ypoyrge.

REPPAS: Den einai ayto to opoio einai grammeno, ayto to opoio yponoeite eseis. Den einai ayto.

ROYMPANHS: Xqes o Prwqypoyrgos epanhlqe kai sto Deltio Typoy poy mas moirasate to brady, apeyqynomenos sta melh ths Epitrophs eipe: "Osoi elaban to mhnyma, kalws ekanan kai to elaban".

REPPAS: Ayto to eipe kai sth Boylh dhmosiws kai to akoysate osoi parakoloyqhsate ayth th synedriash.

ROYMPANHS: Poioi einai aytoi poy elaban to mhnyma;

REPPAS: Oloi aytoi oi opoioi eixan kaqe logo, sto plaisio ths diorganwshs twn Agwnwn aytwn, na epidiwjoyn thn prowqhsh idiotelwn symferontwn. Opoioi einai aytoi.

KIAOS: Me ayto, ftanoyme peripoy sth metafysikh twra, dhladh.

REPPAS: Metafysikh einai h dikh sas aporia. Giati einai san na lete oti den yparxei oyte enas s' ayth th xwra, o opoios qa epediwke na prowqhsei dika toy symferonta. Exete ayth thn paradoxh. Emeis exoyme mia allh paradoxh. Yparxei, dhladh, mia diafora ektimhshs.

ROYMPANHS: Trofodotei o idios o Prwqypoyrgos, otan epanerxetai kai epanerxetai kai mas genna ta erwthmata, mas genna tis apories kai erxomaste ...

REPPAS: Kamia aporia. O Prwqypoyrgos htan katalytikos kai safhs. Eipe oti oi Agwnes aytoi qa prepei na exoyn organwtikh epityxia kai metajy twn allwn qa prepei na diakriqei h diorganwsh twn Agwnwn gia ton acogo tropo, oson afora th xrhsth dioikhsh kai th diafaneia sth diaxeirish twn porwn. Ayto eipe o Prwqypoyrgos. Einai safes kai nomizw oti oloi symfwnoyme s' aytes tis qeseis.

KIAOS: H aporia moy einai: Apeyqynqhke, dhladh, o Prwqypoyrgos, aoristws, se endexomenoys "fwsthres" poy kinoyntai peri to kyklwma analhch ergwn k.lp. kai toys eipe: "Prosejte, an den exete agaqh proairesh, mhn plhsiazete. Den yphretw egw symferonta". Ayto ennooyse;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos ekane mia genikhs ajias anafora, sthn anagkh na yparxei diafaneia kai xrhsth dioikhsh. Ayto, parakalw para poly, na mhn to parermhneyete. Na to dexteite etsi, opws diatypwqhke

KARAGIANNH: Enocei ths organwshs twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, ejetazei o Prwqypoyrgos to endexomeno afaireshs armodiothtwn apo to YPEXWDE kyriws se o,ti afora to paketo twn megalwn ergwn;

REPPAS: Moy dinete thn eykairia me thn erwthsh sas, na pw oti h Kybernhsh exei ena sygkekrimeno sxhma, me sygkekrimenh stelexwsh. To oti exei sygkrothqei h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph den shmainei oti payei h Kybernhsh kai oi Ypoyrgoi na synexizoyn na askoyn ta kaqhkonta toys. Asfalws, o Ypoyrgos Periballontos, Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn synexizei na exei thn plhrh armodiothta gia ta qemata me ta opoia mexri twra asxoleitai. Den allazei tipota ws pros ayto. Gia leitoyrgikoys logoys kai gia kalytero syntonismo exei sygkrothqei ayth h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph, ypo ton k. Benizelo, me th symmetoxh triwn Yfypoyrgwn (Foyra, Paxta, Berelh). Ayth h sygkrothsh ths Epitrophs den allazei kaqoloy, oyte kata to elaxisto, th sxesh toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy me ton Yfypoyrgo se kaqe periptwsh. Dhladh, toy k. Benizeloy me ton k. Foyra, toy k. Papantwnioy me ton k. Paxta, toy k. Laliwth me ton k. Berelh. Kaqe Ypoyrgos askei plhrws ta kaqhkonta toy, opws problepontai apo tis armodiothtes poy exei. Den allazei tipota ws pros ayto. Eimai kathgorhmatikos.

KIAOS: O k. Nioths, Proedros ths Epitrophs Apodhmoy Ellhnismoy, dhlwse oti to Idryma Palinnostoyntwn dialyetai.

REPPAS: Exei labei sxetikh apofash to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio poy asxolhqhke, edw kai para poly kairo, me to qema ayto. Sas exw dwsei ektetamenh enhmerwsh. Sygkrothqhke ektote Ypoyrgikh Epitroph, prokeimenoy na diatypwsei thn telikh protash, h opoia qa odhgei se anamorfwsh toy kaqestwtos poy yparxei shmera, gia na antimetwpisoyme ta qemata twn palinnostoyntwn pio apotelesmatika.

KAKKABAS: Se o,ti afora thn epimaxh tropologia gia tis DEKO, ejetazei h Kybernhsh kapoia epanadiatypwsh ths, opws gia paradeigma proteine o k. Karamanlhs sth Boylh;

REPPAS: Egine megalh syzhthsh sth Boylh, kai xqes idiaiterws, me entash qa elega gia to qema ayto. Apofasisthke h sygkekrimenh diatajh na syzhthqei th Deytera. Emeis, me th diatypwsh sthn opoia katalhjame kai proteinoyme, pisteyoyme oti antimetwpizoyme to problhma, to opoio prepei na epilysoyme, oxi mono emeis ws Kybernhsh, alla h idia h ellhnikh koinwnia. Kai den yparxei allos tropos, para oi nomoqetikes prwtoboylies oi opoies synistoyn kai diarqrwtikes allages. Oi tomes aytes einai aparaithtes. Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti o k. Karamanlhs kai h Nea Dhmokratia apodeiknyontai katwteroi twn peristasewn. Poly perissotero otan paroysiazontai me polla proswpa. Den gnwrizw telikws o k. Karamanlhs poianoy ek twn stelexwn toy einai opados. H Nea Dhmokratia adynatei na paroysiastei me sygkrothmenes qeseis, epeidh den exei programma. Adynatei omws kai na dextei aytes tis qeseis, otan tis proteinoyn kapoioi alloi kai ayto epeidh, akribws, einai desmia toy anaxronistikoy palaiokommatismoy ths. Exei metablhqei se politiko parathrhthrio. Parakoloyqei tis ejelijeis, katagrafei kai arkeitai se kapoies epishmanseis. O k. Karamanlhs einai kat' ejoxhn politikos twn logwn, aboylos kai anikanos na parei mia sygkekrimenh qesh, prokeimenoy na symbalei qetika, wste na lyqei ena problhma to opoio hdh antimetwpizetai apo thn Kybernhsh. Paramenei kai o idios desmios toy anaxronismoy ths Neas Dhmokratias kai toy palaiokommatismoy poy diakrinei ton idio kai to komma toy. Giati edw exei mia poly kalh eykairia, apo ta megalostoma logia, ta opoia kata kairoys leei, na synanthqei me thn ypeyqynh prajh. Kai den to kanei. Ayto, loipon, odhgei se polla politika symperasmata, gia to an pragmatika eimaste eilikrineis h ypokrinomaste, otan apeyqynomaste ston ellhniko lao.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To kybernhtiko komma me posa proswpa emfanizetai sth Boylh s' ayth thn periptwsh;

REPPAS: Emfanizetai me thn protash thn opoia exei diatypwsei h Kybernhsh: Kai h protash ayth, otan erqei h wra, qa deite oti qa chfistei kai qa ginei diatajh nomoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw lew gia twra. Me posa proswpa emfanizetai;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh exei ena proswpo kai o hgeths ths paratajhs exei sygkekrimenh qesh. Den einai aboylos. Ayth einai h diafora: oti o hgeths exei sygkekrimenh kateyqynsh, exei sygkekrimenh qesh. Kai me bash ayth th qesh efarmozei sygkekrimenh politikh. Enw sthn allh pleyra exoyme enan hgeth o opoios den exei sygkekrimenh qesh. Akomh kai otan ek toy roloy toy den einai ypoxrewmenos na prajei kati sygkekrimeno, alla na ekfrasei, apla, mia qesh. Kai den kanei oyte ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy exei sygkekrimenh qesh o Prwqypoyrgos, giati thn allaje thn tropologia;

REPPAS: Ayto einai deigma eyaisqhsias kai eyqynhs. Epeidh akribws, pantote, epidiwkoyme to kalytero. Panta epidiwkoyme na beltiwnoyme tis epiloges mas, gia thn epilysh twn problhmatwn toy topoy. Giati sas kanei entypwsh ayto; Egw qelw ayto na to epaineite.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan th ftiajate den htan h kalyterh;

REPPAS: Opws apodeiknyetai, panta yparxei ena periqwrio gia mia deyterh alla kai trith -an xreiazetai- skech. Yphrje ayth h epikoinwnia me toys ergazomenoys, me toys ekproswpoys twn syndikatwn kai katalhjame s' ayth th diatypwsh. Qewroyme oti einai h kalyterh dynath diatypwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mporei kai na thn aposyrete telika;

REPPAS: An kapoioi qeloyn na ypekfygoyn, an pisteyoyn pws o monos tropos gia na apofygoyn na analaboyn tis eyqynes toys einai aytos, toys kaloyme na mhn to perimenoyn.

BLAXOS: Na symperanw oti ayth h apanthsh sas, einai kai apanthsh ston k. Karamanlh poy eipe ston k. Papantwnioy na synanthqei me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai na apofasisoyn ti qa kanoyn;

REPPAS: Ayto to opoio prepei na symperanete, einai oti o k. Papantwnioy, me thn telikh diatajh thn opoia eishgeitai, ekfrazei thn Kybernhsh. Ths Kybernhshs proedreyei o Prwqypoyrgos. Yparxei apolyth synennohsh. Kaname thn allagh ekeinh oson afora ton ariqmo twn epixeirhsewn toy Dhmosioy poy einai eishgmenes sto Xrhmatisthrio, qewrwntas oti aytes den mporei na einai metajy ekeinwn, gia tis opoies qa ginei syzhthsh gia allagh kanonismoy proswpikoy. Ayth einai h allagh kai qewroyme oti einai swsth. Kai yparxei plhrhs synennohsh kai sympnoia.

Sas eyxaristw.

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