Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-01-13

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 13.1.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

* Sas anakoinwnw kat' arxhn oti h synedriash toy KYSEA qa ginei thn Pempth, stis 10 to prwi.

* Epishs, qa moy epitrecete, prin dextw tis erwthseis sas, na pw oti xqes to apogeyma, sthn Kwnstantinoypolh, sto Agiasma toy Agioy Qeraponta, konta sthn Agia Sofia, ekdhlwqhke pyrkagia. Meta apo ereyna poy egine, afoy prosetrejan ekei oi astynomikes kai pyrosbestikes dynameis, breqhke nekros o omogenhs mas, o opoios htan kai newkoros ston Agio Qeraponta, Basileios Xabiaropoylos. Breqhke mesa sto phgadi toy Agiasmatos, me qraysmeno to kranio toy, o atyxos omogenhs. Oi eikones toy Agiasmatos kai alla antikeimena ajias eixan afaireqei.

Ginontai oles oi diplwmatikes energeies. Se apanthsh tetoiwn egklhmatikwn prajewn, oi opoies ekdhlwnontai apo diafores omades, kyriws sthn Kwnstantinoypolh, qa proboyme se ola ta entona diabhmata.

Prepei na pw, oti prokalei entypwsh, pws egine dynato na fygadeytoyn tosa polla kai ogkwdh antikeimena kai malista se mia kentrikh lewforo ths Kwnstantinoypolhs, thn wra poy kykloforoyse tosos kosmos.

Epishs, prepei na epishmanqei oti gia osa epeisodia, analogoy eidoys, exoyn ginei mexri twra, den exoyn entopistei oi ypaitioi. Den exei breqei enoxos gia kapoia ap' ayta ta epeisodia. Lypoymeqa gi' ayto kai taytoxrona diamartyromaste entonotata. Kataggelloyme ayta ta peristatika. Pisteyoyme oti, epiteloys, qa prepei oi armodies arxes ths geitonikhs xwras na apodeixtoyn apotelesmatikes.

* Shmera, meta tis 11 to prwi, eixame pthseis toyrkikwn maxhtikwn aeroskafwn anatolika ths Rodoy kai ths Krhths, sthn perioxh metajy Rodoy kai Karpaqoy. Petajan epta zeygh toyrkikwn maxhtikwn aeroskafwn, ta opoia anaxaitisthkan apo eji zeygh ellhnikwn maxhtikwn aeroskafwn.

Diapistwqhkan, peran twn parabasewn, kai parabiaseis toy eqnikoy enaerioy xwroy. Ta stoixeia ayta katagrafontai me kaqe leptomereia. Qa ginoyn oles oi energeies, prokeimenoy na kataggelqei ayto to gegonos. Qa yparjei enhmerwsh kai twn ekproswpwn twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs gia thn aparadekth stratiwtikh drash ths Toyrkias.

* Qa moy epitrecete, telos, na anaferqw se dhlwseis stis opoies proebhsan hgetika stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias, xqes, meta apo sxetikh syskech, oson afora thn ellhnikh oikonomia kai thn poreia ths.

H ellhnikh oikonomia paroysiazei staqera anodikh poreia. Ayto to martyroyn oi oikonomikoi deiktes. To anagnwrizoyn oloi, entos kai ektos ths Elladas, plhn ekeinwn twn kakopistwn, oi opoioi fainetai oti den epiqymoyn eynoikes ejelijeis sto pedio ths ellhnikhs oikonomias.

Dhlwseis san aytes toy k. Mhtsotakh, einai dhlwseis ekeinwn oi opoioi epiqymoyn thn politikh kerdoskopia se baros ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, giati oi dhlwseis aytes den synistoyn politikh kritikh, alla doliofqora se baros ths ellhnikhs oikonomias.

Enqymoymeqa, palaiotera, ton k. Ebert ws Arxhgo ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs, na kataggellei kai na problepei katarreysh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Eixe ftasei, malista, sto shmeio na milaei gia adynamia plhrwmhs twn misqwn twn ergazomenwn. Bebaiws, ekeines oi probleceis diaceysthkan.

Einai bebaio -kai gi' ayto einai akatanohtes- oti den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia kai qa diaceystoyn kai oi probleceis toy k. Mhtsotakh.

Exw th gnwmh oti den einai o kalyteros tropos gia na einai parwn kapoios sth dhmosia zwh ths xwras na epilegei ayto to pedio, prokeimenoy me dhlwseis toy na dhlwnei thn paroysia toy.

H ellhnikh oikonomia, sto stadio poy briskomaste, exei dianysei mia shmantikh apostash apo to shmeio sto opoio briskotan to 1993, otan to PASOK anelabe kai pali th diakybernhsh ths xwras. Ta qetika epiteygmata, ta opoia exoyme mexri twra shmeiwsei, qa ta diasfalisoyme. Oi prooptikes ths ellhnikhs oikonomias einai aisiodojes. Qa epityxoyme toys stoxoys toys opoioys exoyme qesei. Omws, gia na ginei ayto apolytws efikto, prepei na symbaloyme oloi. Kai pera apo tis opoies diafores kai diafwnies qa prepei, me thn ypeyqynh stash, akomh kai otan diatypwnoyme aysthrh kritikh, na dhmioyrgoyme ena periballon, ena klima, to opoio me th seira toy qa epenergei qetika stis oikonomikes ejelijeis.

Pisteyoyme oti tetoies dhlwseis einai adikaiologhtes. Tis kaythriazoyme. Qewroyme pws oxi mono den exoyn qesh, alla qa elega oti, otan ginontai oi dhlwseis aytes, mas problhmatizoyn gia ta kinhtra aytwn oi opoioi tis kanoyn.

Ayta ek meroys moy. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

POYLIDOY: Mia dieykrinish k. Ypoyrge, giati den eimai ejoikeiwmenh me ayth thn orologia. Ti akribws einai "agiasma";

REPPAS: Einai sto nao toy Agioy Qeraponta, enas orismenos xwros, opoy yparxei ena agiasma, mia phgh poy anablyzei.

POYLIDOY: Kai ti keimhlia exei ayto to agiasma;

REPPAS: Exei eikones, exei anaqhmata, exei antikeimena, ta opoia, bebaiws, peran ths ylikhs, antilambaneste poly kala, exoyn th latreytikh kai symbolikh ajia toys.

POYLIDOY: Na katalaboyme. Einai ejwterikos xwros h einai ktirio;

REPPAS: Den exw episkefqei to sygkekrimeno xwro. Me bash to deltio poy exw sth diaqesh moy, miloyme gia to nao toy Agioy Qeraponta kai sygkekrimena gia to agiasma toy. Einai diwrofo, byzantino, istoriko agiasma toy Agioy Qeraponta, to opoio brisketai sthn perioxh, opoy brisketai kai h Agia Sofia.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: H toyrkikh Kybernhsh ekane kapoia dhlwsh pros thn ellhnikh Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Den exei ekdhlwqei opoiadhpote antidrash. Toylaxiston, den gnwrizoyme emeis na exei ekdhlwqei antidrash mexri twra.

KIAOS: Oi toyrkikes Arxes ti exoyn pei gia to peristatiko;

REPPAS: Den exoyme opoiadhpote antidrash apo tis toyrkikes Arxes, mexri twra poy syzhtoyme.

KIAOS: Oyte anakoinwsan tipota;

REPPAS: Den exoyme opoiadhpote antidrash, toylaxiston, me bash ta stoixeia poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas. Sas enhmerwsa me bash ta stoixeia, ta opoia exoyn perielqei se mas, apo tis dikes mas Yphresies. Oi Arxes, oi opoies espeysan ekei, oi Astynomikes Arxes ths Kwnstantinoypolhs, ypeqesan oti prepei ws proskynhtes na exoyn eiselqei sto sygkekrimeno xwro, oi ypaitioi, oi enoxoi, peripoy stis 4 to apogeyma. H eidopoihsh gia thn ekdhlwsh ths pyrkagias egine xqes to apogeyma peripoy stis 5 kai ara eikazetai oti mia wra prin qa eprepe na exoyn eiselqei sto sygkekrimeno xwro oi egklhmaties.

KIAOS: Den exei ekdoqei astynomiko Deltio sthn Kwnstantinoypolh;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti me bash ta osa gnwrizw mexri twra, sas dinw plhroforhsh. Den gnwrizw an exei kykloforhsei ayth thn wra poy syzhtoyme kapoio deltio shmera to prwi. Sas enhmerwnw me bash ta stoixeia, ta opoia exoyme sth diaqesh mas.

KIAOS: Otan anaferqhkate, prohgoymenws, ston k. Mhtsotakh, poia einai ta kinhtra toy, poy lete eseis, opws katalhgei h dhlwsh sas;

REPPAS: Profanws, opws to eipa prin, gia na ejasfalisei mia probolh sth dhmosia zwh ths xwras, di aytoy toy tropoy, poy den einai kai o kalyteros kai o pleon wfelimos. Kai en pash periptwsei, ej antikeimenoy, mia tetoia stash blaptei tis prooptikes ths ellhnikhs oikonomias.

KIAOS: Qelw na sas rwthsw, an stis syzhthseis poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos me ta stelexh ths Kybernhsews h toy PASOK, aytes tis hmeres, exei ekfrasei kapoia gnwmh gia ta peri "apostatwn" poy exei pei o k. Giannopoylos h ta peri "gymnosaliagkwn" poy eipe, xqes, o k. Kachs. Eseis ti lete ep' aytwn;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos stis syzhthseis, tis opoies exei me synergates toy, antimetwpizei ta qemata, ta opoia apasxoloyn thn Kybernhsh kai to Kinhma. O kaqenas leei eleyqera tis apoceis toy, mporei na krinei, sto plaisio ths dhmokratikhs zwhs mas, diafora qemata toy dhmosioy bioy h diafores apoceis allwn. Krinei o kaqenas kai ypokeitai se kritikh gia tis apoceis, tis opoies ekfrazei.

KIAOS: Dhladh, sto PASOK kai ston kybernhtiko xwro, yparxoyn stelexh, kat'esas, apostates kai gymnosaliagkes;

REPPAS: Egw gnwrizw oti sto PASOK yparxoyn boyleytes kai stelexh poy omoqymws sthrizoyn thn Kybernhsh, afoy exoyme epityxei, meta apo toso kairo, na kybernoyme ton topo kai na exoyme dwsei th dynatothta ston ellhniko lao kai sth xwra mas na diagrafoyn mia shmantikh poreia sthn E.E. H Ellada exei katorqwsei, pragmatika, shmantika epiteygmata.

KIAOS: Telikws, eseis ws Kybernhsh, fobaste apostasia; O ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs k. Giannopoylos, to eipe.

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh, kai milame me bash ta pragmatika dedomena, gnwrizei oti th sthrizei to synolo twn boyleytwn, poy exoyn eklegei ypo th shmaia toy PASOK, stis teleytaies ekloges.

KIAOS: Gia ton k. Giannopoylo, ti lete;

REPPAS: O k. Giannopoylos, opws panta, leei tis apoceis toy me to diko toy tropo. O k. Giannopoylos einai enas paragwn, o opoios exei polyxronh paroysia sta dhmosia pragmata ths xwras. Exei gnwsh pollwn qematwn. Oi apoceis toy panta akoygontai me prosoxh.

Me thn idia prosoxh poy akoyme kai tis apoceis kai twn allwn diakekrimenwn stelexwn.

KANELLAKHS: Otan sas metadoqhke h eidhsh oti breqhke nekros enas newkoros, gia ta aitia toy qanatoy den metadoqhke tipota;

REPPAS: Eipa, oti exoyme shmeiwma apo tis diplwmatikes yphresies poy mas gnwstopoioyn ta stoixeia ayta, gia to qlibero symban. Isws argotera exoyme newtera stoixeia ta opoia qa ginoyn gnwsta kai se sas. Ayta gnwrizoyme twra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prohgoymenws eipate oti tis dhlwseis o k. Mhtsotakhs tis ekane gia probolh. Pio prin mas eipate oti tetoies dhlwseis ginontai apo aytoys poy epiqymoyn thn kerdoskopia. Ti ennoeite; Ti ginetai apo ta dyo;

REPPAS: Milhsa gia politikh kerdoskopia kai ayto ta leei ola. Gnwrizete -gia na eimaste kai sto klima twn hmerwn- oti yparxei kai politikh kerdoskopia. Mhn afaireite ayth th lejh apo thn erwthsh sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sthn oikonomia perissotero kerdoskopia einai, para politikh.

REPPAS: Ayto, loipon, to opoio lete, einai nomizw h kalyterh apanthsh pros ton k. Mhtsotakh. Oti otan milaei gia thn oikonomia qa prepei na einai poly prosektikos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos prokeitai na dexqei allages sto forologiko nomosxedio;

REPPAS: To forologiko nomosxedio syzhteitai sth Boylh. H hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn -exei dhlwqei allwste ayto- qa proxwrhsei se oles ekeines tis ryqmiseis, oi opoies qa kanoyn to forologiko nomo toy kratoys, oso ginetai artiotero.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poies einai oi ryqmiseis aytes;

REPPAS: Einai se ejelijh ayth h diadikasia. Den qa prokatalabw egw th gnwmh twn synadelfwn oi opoioi qa chfisoyn, prokeimenoy to nomosxedio na ginei nomos toy kratoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati o k. Papantwnioy xqes eipe oti den qa dexqei kamia allagh, eidika stoys foroys.

REPPAS: O k. Papantwnioy eipe, kat' epanalhch, oti einai etoimos na syzhthsei aytes tis mikres allages, tis tropopoihseis, tis ryqmiseis. Alla, bebaiws -to eipame allwste apo thn prwth fora- oi foroi poy epiballontai kai exoyn syzhthqei kai kata thn kataqesh toy proypologismoy, einai dedomenoi. Alliws den einai dynaton, xwris na eisai synephs s' ayta ta opoia exeis problecei ws forologika soy esoda, na qewreis oti exeis ajiopisth oikonomikh politikh. Prepei na eisai synephs s' ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ekei einai h tampakera, stoys foroys.

REPPAS: Gia ola ayta ta qemata syzhthsame sto plaisio toy proypologismoy kai labame tis politikes apofaseis mas. Alla qemata ta opoia aforoyn epimeroys ryqmiseis antimetwpizontai.

TSAKANAS: Hqela na rwthsw, me aformh to shmerino dhmosieyma toy "RIZOSPASTH", pws sxoliazete thn prospaqeia poinikopoihshs ths politikhs kritikhs, estw kai mesw ths politikhs satiras, opws prokyptei apo thn prosfygh toy k. Pagkaloy sta dikasthria, me aformh th sthlh "DIAKRITIKA".

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw to qema. Lypoymai. Qelete na mas peite pws akribws exei to qema; Asfalws, h politikh kritikh den mporei na poinikopoieitai.

TSAKANAS: Na sas enhmerwsw. Exei kataqesei agwgh o k. Pagkalos kata toy "RIZOSPASTH" kai zhta na dikastoyn kai na katadikastoyn o ekdoths, h etaireia poy ekdidei thn efhmerida kai o dieyqynths, synolika me 100 ekatommyria prostimo, giati qewrei oti h politikh kritikh poy toy ginetai, mesw enos dhmosieymatos, satirikoy periexomenoy, einai sykofantikh.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw to dhmosieyma. Ayto to opoio, ws qesh arxhs, mporw na epanalabw einai oti asfalws h politikh kritikh einai eleyqerh. Oydeis mporei na thn empodisei. Alla, bebaiws, den einai dynato na sykofantoyntai sympolites mas, poly perissotero otan askoyn dhmosia kaqhkonta san ayta toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn. Alla, epeidh gia thn ypoqesh ayth exoyn epilhfqei pleon ta organa ths Dikaiosynhs, qa sas zhthsw na stamathsoyme th syzhthsh kai na perimenoyme ta organa ths Dikaiosynhs na apofanqoyn gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

TSAKANAS: Par' olo oti den gnwrizete, kyrie Ypoyrge, na qewrhsw oti epidokimazete, toylaxiston opws prokyptei, thn prosfygh toy k. Pagkaloy;

REPPAS: Den jerw ti qa qewrhsete eseis. Ayto to opoio einai safes, einai oti h politikh kritikh einai eleyqerh sthn Ellada. Allwste, exoyme tosa polla deigmata kritikhs, entonotaths malista, yperbolikhs kai syxna adikhs se baros ths Kybernhshs, ta opoia gnwrizete poly kala oti ekdhlwnontai akwlyta. Oydeis exei dianohqei kan na ta antimetwpisei me opoiodhpote dioikhtiko, astynomiko h dikastiko tropo. Ayto to opoio, omws, apo thn allh den epitrepetai, einai na sykofantoyntai oi sympolites mas, oxi aplws oi Ypoyrgoi. Alla, gi' ayta ta qemata, qa moy epitrecete na afhsoyme th Dikaiosynh na labei tis apofaseis ths, efoson, hdh, asxoleitai me to qema. Mhn ekdwsoyme apofash emeis.

TSAKANAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, egw sas rwthsa an mporei h politikh kritikh na ginetai sta dikasthria.

REPPAS: H politikh kritikh, otan einai politikh kritikh, exei th qesh ths kai den mporei na antimetwpistei dikastika. H sykofantia, otan einai sykofantia kai den einai politikh kritikh, asfalws episyrei kyrwseis. Einai safes.

TSAKANAS: Epeidh, edw to gegonos einai sygkekrimeno, mporei na doyme ayrio toys geloiografoys h toys skitsografoys, poy kanoyn satira politikh h toys epiqewrhsiografoys, en pash periptwsei, na phgainoyn sta dikasthria gia na lysoyn to zhthma ayto;

REPPAS: Exoyme tosa polla peristatika, ta opoia peiqoyn gia ta osa mexri twra sas lew. Oti, dhladh, yparxei eleyqeria politikhs kritikhs, aixmhrotata sxolia diatypwnontai eleyqera se baros ths Kybernhshs kai kybernhtikwn paragontwn kai oydeis dianoeitai na ta antimetwpisei, na ta periorisei h na ta empodisei, me opoiodhpote allo tropo. Den yparxei amfibolia gi' ayto. Gia to sygkekrimeno qema, efoson asxoleitai h Dikaiosynh, qa epitrecete se mas na mh laboyme qesh. Alla, h politikh kritikh einai eleyqerh.

Asfalws einai eleyqerh.

Eyxaristw poly.

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