BRIEFING 06-06-96

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 6/6/96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA.

MAYROS: Mazi;

REPPAS: Nai. H synanthsh ayth einai sta plaisia twn taktikwn allwste synanthsewn poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos me Ypoyrgoys. H syzhthsh periestrafh stis ellhno-toyrkikes sxeseis, ypo to prisma twn teleytaiwn ejelijewn.

* Sas anakoinwnw oti th Deytera apofasisqhke na synedriasei to KYSEA 9:00-10:00 p.m.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Me eidiko qema;

REPPAS: Gia synafh qemata.

KIAOS: Synafh, dhladh ellhno-toyrkikes sxeseis;

KANAS: Ths grammateias toy KYSEA...;

REPPAS: Ayto einai ena qema se ejelijh, k. Kana, dhladh to qema ths grammateias toy KYSEA. Einai ena genikotero qema. Alla apofasisqhke na synedriasei th Deytera to KYSEA 9:00-10:00 to prwi. Eyqys amesws allwste o k. Pagkalos me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias qa tajidecoyn sto ejwteriko, stis 10:30 p.m., gi' ayto anaferw kai thn wra ths synedriashs.

* O k. Prwqypoyrgos edexqh ton Proedro ths Boylhs, ton k. A. Kaklamanh, gia synergasia en ocei twn syzhthsewn gia allages, thn tropopoihsh toy Kanonismoy ths Boylhs.

* O k. Prwqypoyrgos qa kanei anakoinwseis se ligh wra gia to qema twn xamhloeisodhmatiwn syntajioyxwn - to opoio gnwrizete oti exei apasxolhsei thn Kybernhsh kai ta kybernhtika organa - stis 2:00 m.m. Epishs, meta qa dexqei ton Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK, ton k. Skandalidh, se synergasia, gia qemata ta opoia aforoyn thn poreia toy Kinhmatos pros to Synedrio.

* To apogeyma, gnwrizete oti o Prwqypoyrgos, epikefalhs klimakioy Ypoyrgwn, anaxwrei gia th Qessalonikh. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KARAMPASHS: Sth synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Pagkalo kai ton k. Arsenh syzhthqhke to programma ejoplismoy twn Enoplwn Dynamewn; An qa proxwrhsoyme se anadiarqwsh;

REPPAS: Kyrie Karampash, syzhthqhke to plegma twn ellhno-toyrkikwn sxesewn - epanalambanw kai pali - ypo to prisma twn teleytaiwn ejelijewn. Th Deytera, sto plaisio ths synedriashs toy KYSEA, polla qemata qa teqoyn kai ayto to opoio eseis anaferate, asfalws, einai ena apo ta qemata ta opoia exoyn qesh se mia tetoia syzhthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia to plegma twn ellhno-toyrkikwn sxesewn, o Prwqypoyrgos giati den bgainei na kanei mia dhlwsh - apanthsh ston Toyrko Prwqypoyrgo;

REPPAS: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh, exei parei qesh k. Stamatopoyle, apo thn prwth stigmh poy eteqh qema gia th Gaydo. Kai egw apanthsa se sxetikh erwthsh. Htan isws h prwth epishmh qesh apo politiko komma, h qesh ths Kybernhshs. Alla, bebaiws, kai oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi exoyn epishmws, egkyrws kai dhmosiws ekfrasei qesh. Allwste, o Prwqypoyrgos einai epikefalhs mias Kybernhshs kai h qesh ths Kybernhshs sas einai gnwsth. Den exei allh qesh o Prwqypoyrgos. Oi dhlwseis twn Toyrkwn ajiwmatoyxwn einai dhlwseis oi opoies, teleytaiws, logw kai ths astaqeias sthn Toyrkia, thn opoia qa moy epitrecete na pw oti eixa problecei sto poy qa odhgeito h astaqeia ayth edw kai dekapente hmeres... Gelaei o k. Mpermperakhs giati qymatai oti thn problech ayth thn ekana, apantwntas se dikh toy erwthsh. Loipon, einai dhlwseis oi opoies ginontai me ryqmo tetoio, wste einai adynato kaneis na tis parakoloyqhsei.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ennoeite ton k. Gilmaz;

REPPAS: Ennow ton k. Gilmaz kai alloys ajiwmatoyxoys ths Toyrkias. Den einai dynaton - kai den einai kai poly sobaro - kaqhmerines dhlwseis Toyrkwn ajiwmatoyxwn na briskoyn eyhkoa wta kai na apantwntai mia pros mia apo ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo. H politikh ths Kybernhshs einai sygkekrimenh kai staqerh kai antimetwpizei aytes tis proklhseis ths Toyrkias me apotelesmatiko tropo. Ayto einai poy exei telikws shmasia. Eixa pei epishs stis 23 Maioy kati sxetiko oti prokeitai na odhghqei se anatroph h kybernhsh ths Toyrkias. Edw kai dekapente hmeres.

MIXAHL: Symmerizetai h Kybernhsh thn ektimhsh arketwn ajiwmatikwn kai stratiwtikwn poy legoyn oti den einai kaqoloy tyxaio to qema ths Gaydoy apo pleyras Toyrkias, alla exei na kanei me amfisbhthsh toy FIR Aqhnwn;

REPPAS: Kyrie Mixahl, h politikh ths Toyrkias ekdhlwnetai me diaforoys tropoys. Idiaiterws thn teleytaia periodo, toys teleytaioys mhnes, h politikh ayth - epanalambanw kai pali - ths Toyrkias, exei jeperasei ta gnwsta oria. Fainetai oti ta oria ayta einai anejantlhta gia thn Toyrkia. To exw dhlwsei kat' epanalhch. Ayto poy arkoymai na pw twra, einai oti epiteloys prepei h Toyrkia na pacei na zei ston kosmo twn apathlwn oneirwn ths kai na prosgeiwqei ston kosmo ths dieqnoys ennomhs tajhs poy einai kai h pragmatikothta, thn opoia oloi prepei na sebomaste. H Ellada exei syneph, apofasistikh politikh. Den prokeitai na epitrecei amfisbhthsh twn kyriarxikwn dikaiwmatwn ths. To sygkekrimeno qema mporei na antimetwpisqei - epanalambanw kai pali - eite me sxolia eirwnika, giati se tetoioy eidoys prwtoboylies ths Toyrkias einai dyskolo na yparjei sobaros antilogos - h paradojologia den mporei na exei mia sobarh proseggish kai apanthsh - h en pash periptwsei, me mia genikh qesh, h opoia den einai dia logoy, alla einai kai emprakth qesh: Oti den qa epitrecoyme na synexizetai ayth h politikh apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias, mia politikh h opoia oysiastikws - as to antilhfqei h geitonikh xwra - th qetei sto periqwrio, sthn apomonwsh ths dieqnoys koinothtas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate "den qa epitrecoyme". Pws den qa epitrecete;

REPPAS: Me to oti apantoyme eyqys amesws kai empraktws. Gi' ayto milhsa kai gia emprakth antimetwpish se opoies tetoies prwtoboylies. Kai ta apotelesmata einai sygkekrimena. Eidate oti to aithma ayto to opoio ypoblhqhke apo thn Toyrkia aporrifqhke eyqys amesws apo ta organa sta opoia eteqh. Kai ayto qa ginetai systhmatikws. H politikh ths Ellados qa einai politikh apotelesmatikh wste na antimetwpizetai kaqe qema, to opoio egeirei h Toyrkia se baros twn eqnikwn mas symferontwn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Sto plaisio twn oswn mas eipate kai me to dedomeno oti problepete, opws anaferate prohgoymenws...

REPPAS: Den eipa oti problepw, eipa oti probleca. Yphrje epibebaiwsh gi' ayto to anaferw.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Nai. Mhpws mporeite na problecete an h Kybernhsh qa diekdikhsei kati apo thn Toyrkia sxetika me thn Imbro kai thn Tenedo kai alla dikaiwmata dika mas;

REPPAS: Gia thn wra to sygkekrimeno qema, k. Papadopoyle, ths Imbroy kai Tenedoy gia to opoio exoyme milhsei, einai qema "pagwmeno". Den yparxei opoiadhpote allh ejelijh, den exoyme tipota newtero. H qesh mas einai gnwsth. An yparjei ejelijh, qa yparjei kai diatypwsh kai ekfrash ths qeshs mas gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Xwris diekdikhsh;

REPPAS: Na diekdikhsoyme na allajoyn ta synora sthn perioxh; Oxi...

PAPADOPOYLOS: Na thrhqoyn oi Synqhkes poy parabiazontai.

REPPAS: Asfalws. Diekdikoyme kai parakoloyqoyme thn thrhsh twn Synqhkwn aytwn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Empraktws;

REPPAS: Empraktws. Kaqe fora poy diapistwnetai oti yparxei parabiash twn synqhkwn aytwn.

MAYROS: Enhmerwse o Prwqypoyrgos toys synadelfoys toy ths EE, graptws h proforikws, gia th nea proklhsh ths Toyrkias;

REPPAS: Einai prwtoboylia thn opoia analambanei h Kybernhsh. Kai o Ypoyrgos twn Ejwterikwn qa enhmerwsei gia ta teleytaia gegonota kai tis xwres me tis opoies briskomaste sto NATO kai sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, alla kai tis hgesies allwn xwrwn poy qewroyme oti prepei na einai enhmeres gia thn ayjanomenh proklhtikothta ths Toyrkias thn teleytaia periodo.

MAYROS: Rwthsa gia toys Prwqypoyrgoys. O Prwqypoyrgos, an enhmerwse toys Prwqypoyr- goys.

REPPAS: Ki egw sas eipa oti h Kybernhsh qa to prajei ayto mesw toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn kai twn armodiwn Yphresiwn poy analambanoyn prwtoboylies pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. O Prwqypoyrgos exei tis epikoinwnies toy, to kanei ayto. Ws stoixeio ths ejwterikhs mas politikhs, qa ginei ayth h enhmerwtikh prospaqeia apo tis Yphresies toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, me epikefalhs ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Egw qa rwtoysa, poies einai oi qeseis poy ekfrazontai apo toys etairoys mas sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh gi'ayth thn proklhtikh stash ths Toyrkias.

REPPAS: Ej oswn gnwrizoyme, den exoyn parei qesh epishmws, oi etairoi mas sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh gia thn teleytaia proklhsh ths Toyrkias. Alla, bebaiws - qa moy epitrecete na pw, ej oswn, epishs, gnwrizoyme - den antimetwpizoyn kai poly sobara tetoioy eidoys epixeirhmata ta opoia anaptyssei h Toyrkia. Ayth einai h aisqhsh thn opoia dinoyn sthn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh. Kai dhmioyrgeitai h entypwsh pleon oti yparxei mia aporryqmish sth leitoyrgia ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths Toyrkias. Kai ayto kanei para polloys sthn Eyrwph na skeptontai oti ta eswterika problhmata ths Toyrkias exoyn parei mia ojymenh morfh, h opoia odhgei se paralogismoys stoys xeirismoys ths Toyrkias sthn ejwterikh ths politikh.

MIXAHL: Prokeitai mexri th Deytera, me opoiondhpote tropo, na epikoinwnhsei o Prwqypoyr- gos me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, na ton enhmerwsei;

REPPAS; Exoyn epikoinwnia thlefwnikh, kyrie Mixahl.

MIXAHL: Egine kammia epikoinwnia xqes, proxqes;

REPPAS: Bebaiws. Egine tis teleytaies meres. Kai ginetai. Einai taktikh ayth h epikoinwnia. Den apotelei eidhsh, otan yparxei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exete na kanete kapoio sxolio gi'ayto poy metadidei shmera to BBC, kai egrace mia germanikh efhmerida, oti h STAZI to 1984 eixe parei apofash na xrhmatodotei to kybernwn komma me 2%, toy tziroy poy ekane me thn Ellada;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, polla dhmosieymata yparxoyn gia polla qemata. Einai praktikws adynato - alla einai kai anwfelo kai den einai kai swsto - na sxoliazoyme dhmosieymata efhmeridwn. Gia to sygkekrimeno qema, to opoio apasxolei ypo mia morfh thn Ellada, exoyn klhqei ta dikastika organa na paroyn tis apofaseis poy qa sas ginoyn gnwstes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto to qema afora kommata kai malista kai to kybernwn komma.

REPPAS: Na sxoliasw dhmosieyma kapoias efhmeridas; Qewrw oti ayta ta dhmosieymata einai sykofantika. Asfalws, den exoyn ypostash alhqeias. Alla, einai dynaton, kaqe fora poy yparxei ena dhmosieyma, na kaloymeqa na to sxoliasoyme;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den einai sobaro ayto to dhmosieyma;

REPPAS: Ma, an einai alhqino, einai para poly sobaro. Alla, egw sas lew oti einai ceydes dhmosieyma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto leme.

REPPAS: Ma, me sygxwreite. Kaqe dhmosieyma poy afora ena qema, prepei emeis na to sxoliazoyme; Aytomatws, dhladh, na to anagoyme se toso shmantiko gia mas qema, wste na xreiazetai na to antimetwpisoyme, na apanthsoyme; Den einai ola ta qemata tetoia, wste na xreiazontai thn apanthsh mas.

MOYRTZHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eiste se qesh na mas peite ti ginotan to 1984; To exete ereynhsei;

REPPAS: Kyrie Moyrtzh, ayto to opoio lew kai einai safes einai pws den exw na kanw kanena sxolio giati den einai sobaro na qewreitai oti ellhnika kommata - to sygkekrimeno komma, en prokeimenw - xrhmatodotoyntai apo drasthriothtes oi opoies einai paranomes. Den einai dynaton. Einai kati poy den to dexomaste apo qesh arxhs, an qelete ena sxolio, giati sxolio moy zhthsate.

MOYRTZHS: Tetoies qeseis, oxi bebaia me tetoio apokalyptiko, aixmhro tropo, exei diatypwsei o k. Kaklamanhs. Eipe oti gia na eklegei kapoios boyleyths xreiazetai 400 ekatommyria draxmes.

REPPAS: O k. Kaklamanhs einai Proedros ths Boylhs. Leei tis apoceis toy. O k. Kaklamanhs einai kai aytos boyleyths. Enas apo toys 300 ths Boylhs. Ti qelete na peite;

MOYRTZHS: Oti exei diatypwsei qeseis oti to megalo kefalaio xrhmatodotei orismenoys boyleytes. Kai orismenoi kefalaioyxoi exoyn "koinoboyleytikes omades" poy diapernoyn ta kommatika synora. Ayto mas eipe o k. Kaklamanhs.

REPPAS: Rwthsate ton k. Kaklamanh, na parete leptomerh stoixeia;

MOYRTZHS: Oxi, den ton rwthsa.

REPPAS: Giati den to kanate, afoy einai toso poly shmantiko qema ayto gia sas; Kai exoyn perasei toses meres xwris na to ereynhsete;

MOYRTZHS: Egw diatypwnw to erwthma se sas.

REPPAS: Emeis den qewroyme oti politikoi oi opoioi eklegontai apo ton ellhniko lao ypokeintai se opoiesdhpote alles doyleies kai desmeyseis.

MIXAHL: Yparxei kapoia qesh apo pleyras Prwqypoyrgoy h apo thn Kybernhsh gia to keimeno twn oktw Eyrwboyleytwn toy PASOK, en ocei toy Synedrioy; Pws to ektimate eseis;

REPPAS: Sto plaisio toy prosynedriakoy dialogoy aneptyjan tis apoceis toys, ws stelexh toy PASOK. Einai dikaiwma toys. Den sxoliazoyme tis apoceis poy ekfrazoyn stelexh, paragontes, boyleytes toy PASOK.

KACAMPELHS: Eseis symfwneite mazi toys, pantws.

REPPAS: Kyrie Kacampelh, an endiaferesqe toso poly gia th gnwmh moy, exei diatypwqei. Den einai h syzhthsh, gia th gnwmh ayth, syzhthsh gi'ayto to xwro.

MAYROS: Mporeite na ejeidikeysete ti einai ayto to Kentro R.BROWN, thn idrysh toy opoioy qa anakoinwsei ayrio o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Sthn teleytaia episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy stis Hnwmenes Politeies, metajy twn allwn protasewn pros thn Kybernhsh twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn, yphrje kai ayth apo ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo. Na idryqei sth Qessalonikh ena Kentro, to opoio qa bohqhsei thn anaptyjh ychlhs texnologias sthn perioxh kai thn prowqhsh toy eksygxronismoy ths paragwghs sthn eyryterh perioxh twn Balkaniwn.

Synepese tote, sthn Amerikh, na ginetai h khdeia - ekeinh thn hmera kiolas - toy makarith pleon prwhn Ypoyrgoy Emporioy Brown - stenoy filoy toy Proedroy Klinton - kai yphrje h protash to Kentro ayto ychlhs texnologias na onomastei Kentro BROWN. Htan mia protash toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy, h opoia sygkinhse ton Proedro Klinton. Kai pros thn kateyqynsh ayth kinoyntai oi prwtoboylies ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs.

MAYROS: Profanws, afoy exei yparjei symfwnia, qa exoyn hdh orisqei kai poies etairies qa ekproswphsoyn tis Hnwmenes Politeies kai thn Ellada antistoixa. Mhpws mporeite na mas tis peite;

REPPAS: Kyrie Mayro, den yparxei tetoia symfwnia. Einai sto prwto stadio ayth h prwtoboylia. Aplws, meta thn teleytaia epistolh thn opoia apesteile ston Ellhna Prwqypoyr- go, apantwntas, o Proedros Klinton, ginetai to prwto bhma gia na yparjei ayto to Kentro. Apla, ginontai ta prwta bhmata wste na parei nomikh morfh ayto to Kentro to opoio qa idryqei. Den exoyn kaqorisqei leptomereies.

MOYRTZHS: Poy aposkopei, kyrie Ekproswpe, h episkech toy k. Kastanidh stoys politikoys Arxhgoys;

REPPAS: O k. Kastanidhs, ws armodios Ypoyrgos, episkeptetai toys politikoys Arxhgoys, prokeimenoy na toys enhmerwsei gia thn epilogh thn opoia ekane h Kybernhsh - se prosfath Kybernhtikh Epitroph apofasisqhke ayto, opws gnwrizete - prokeimenoy na systaqei Epitroph poy qa asxolhqei me tis promhqeies. Idiaiterws ston OTE poy briskontai se ekkremothta. Wste na ejasfalizetai kai to dhmosio symferon kai h diafaneia sto dhmosio bio, idiaiterws ayth thn periodo, poy tosa legontai.

KOGIANNHS: Ma, meta to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, ta exei pei ola ayta o k. Kastanidhs.

REPPAS: Epeidh, shmera anelabe thn prwtoboylia na syzhthsei me toys politikoys Arxhgoys. Toys enhmerwnei gi'ayth thn prwtoboylia ths Kybernhshs.

KIAOS: Eseis ayrio qa eiste edw, h qa pate sth Qessalonikh me ton Prwqypoyrgo;

REPPAS: Oxi, egw qa eimai edw. Alla exw mia eperwthsh kai piqanon na xreiasqei na allajoyme thn wra ths enhmerwshs sas.

KOGIANNHS: An einai na pame poly arga, na mhn exoyme ayrio synanthsh.

REPPAS: An, me dikh sas prwtoboylia, qelete kati tetoio, mporoyme na akyrwsoyme thn ayrianh synanthsh. Alla, an ayto einai dikh sas epiqymia. Egw meta thn eperwthsh, eimai sth diaqesh sas.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Kalytera na mhn exoyme synanthsh ayrio. Na ta poyme th Deytera.

REPPAS: Opws qelete.
Sas eyxaristw poly.

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