BRIEFING 10-06-96

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 10/6/96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Otan lete oti h Ellada qa antimetwpisei apotelesmatika thn epiqetikothta ths Toyrkias, ayto ti shmainei; Qa laboyme orismena metra h aplws qa kanoyme kataggelies pros toys Dieqneis Organismoys;

REPPAS: Ayto shmainei, kyrie Kwnstantinidh, oti h Ellada opws panta etsi kai twra einai panetoimh na antimetwpisei opoiadhpote energeia apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias, h opoia odhgei se yponomeysh twn eqnikwn mas symferontwn. Oi Enoples Dynameis mas einai se plhrh etoimothta. H Kybernhsh exei ameso kai makroproqesmo sxedio tetoio, wste na mhn epitrepei opoiadhpote epiboylh apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias, poy odhgei se peripeteies th xwra mas. Taytoxronws, h Ellada qa probei se oles ekeines tis energeies kai toys xeirismoys, oi opoioi qa katadeijoyn to adiko ths stashs ths Toyrkias enanti twn ellhnikwn symferontwn. Dioti pisteyoyme oti h stash ayth ths Toyrkias thn odhgei ek twn pragmatwn se adiejodo kai se apomonwsh. Kai ayto einai kati poy qa epidiwjoyme kai emeis, erxomenoi se epafh kai synennohsh me toys dieqneis paragontes.

PARIS: Pote qa janasynedriasei to KYSEA, kyrie Ypoyrge; Kai erwtw, dioti qa hqela na gnwrizw ean sthn epomenh synedriash toy, qa lhfqei apofash gia paraggelia oplikwn systhmatwn, kaqws kai gia ti ycos xrhmatwn milame.

REPPAS: Kyrie Pari, tetoio qema den apasxolhse shmera to KYSEA sth synedriash toy. Alla se epomenh synedriash toy KYSEA h opoia den qa arghsei, metajy twn allwn qematwn, qa einai kai to qema to opoio qesate.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, metajy twn metrwn poy protiqetai na parei h Ellada enanti ths Toyrkias, perilambanetai kai to "dyskolema" (as to pw etsi) twn eyrwtoyrkikwn sxesewn; Kai to erwtw, giati h Toyrkia exei prosklhqei na parakaqhsei se geyma sth Synodo ths Flwrentias. H Ellada qa parakaqhsei s'ayto to geyma;

REPPAS: H Toyrkia exei prosklhqei apo thn Italikh Proedria, oxi entos twn diadikasiwn ths Synodoy toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy ths Flwrentias, alla ektos twn epishmwn diadikasiwn, sto periqwrio twn synedriasewn. Einai qema ths Italikhs Proedrias. Kai bebaiws den yparxei desmeysh h ypoxrewsh twn allwn xwrwn-melwn na symmetexoyn s'ayth th synanthsh me thn Toyrkia. H Ellada paramenei staqerh sth qesh oti den qa epitrecei thn dieykolynsh h thn ejomalynsh twn sxesewn ths Toyrkias me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Qa parameinei h qesh mas idia, oson afora ta programmata ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai twn sxesewn ths me thn Toyrkia, oso h Toyrkia akoloyqei ayth thn politikh. Den eimaste diateqeimenoi na apempolhsoyme ta dikaiwmata mas ws xwra - melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, xwris na paragnwrizoyme oti prepei na frontisoyme na mh dhmioyrgoyntai, logw ayths ths stashs mas, problhmata se trites, se alles xwres. Gi'ayto kai sta plaisia toy programmatos MEDA h Ellada skeptetai na epidiwjei ena diaxwrismo toy programmatos aytoy, oson afora tis alles xwres, wste h emplokh gia to programma ayto na yparjei mono gia thn Toyrkia kai sth synexeia kai gia oso kairo h Toyrkia akoloyqei ayth thn epiqetikh pros thn Ellada politikh.

POYLIDOY: Telika afhnete na ennohqei oti nai men h Toyrkia qa parakaqhsei sto geyma alla den qa pame emeis;

REPPAS: Qelw na pw oti h Italikh Proedria kalese thn hgesia ths Toyrkias se ena geyma ektos twn diadikasiwn ths Synodoy Koryfhs. H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh den exei kammia desmeysh na pareyreqei se mia tetoia synanthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Wstoso, kyrie Ypoyrge, h Ellada exei arei to "beto" gia th xrhmatodothsh ths Toyrkias apo ena tameio ths Koinothtas.

REPPAS: Den einai akribws etsi, kyrie Stamatopoyle. Sth Dieqnh Trapeza eixame sygkatateqei sto na arqoyn kapoioi periorismoi oi opoioi yphrxan. Alla h qesh mas paramenei staqerh - epanalambanw kai pali - sto na odhghsoyme sthn antimetwpish twn qematwn poy exoyn prokycei stis sxeseis mas me thn Toyrkia, na yparxei kai mia analogh antimetwpish apo tis alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs apenanti sthn Toyrkia, logw ths stashs thn opoia krataei h Toyrkia thn teleytaia idiaiterws periodo.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Laliwths se shmerinh synenteyjh toy sthn efhmerida "TA NEA" dhlwnei oti qa htan protimotero na mhn eklegei Antiproedros sto Synedrio toy PASOK kai an kati tetoio den einai efikto, na protaqei mia trith lysh me kapoio allo proswpo. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

REPPAS: Einai apoceis toy k. Laliwth, oi opoies anaptyssontai - opws kai oi apoceis allwn stelexwn - sto plaisio toy prosynedriakoy dialogoy toy Kinhmatos mas.

SKOYRHS: Eikosi enas boyleytes sas kathgoroyn, ws Kybernhsh, oti alloiwsate ton patriwtiko xarakthra toy PASOK. Akomh sas zhtoyn na allajete to dogma to amyntiko ths xwras kai na protajete to "diekdikoyme ta panta apo osoys diekdikoyn ta panta apo mas".

REPPAS: Kyrie Skoyrh, epanalambanw kai pali, sto plaisio toy prosynedriakoy dialogoy toy Kinhmatos mas anaptyssontai diafores apoceis, apo stelexh, apo boyleytes, apo paragontes toy Kinhmatos mas. Ayto to opoio prepei na epishmanoyme me thn eykairia ths erwthshs sas einai oti sto plaisio twn kybernhtikwn organwn alla kai twn kommatikwn yparxoyn syllogikes diadikasies, oi opoies perissotero para pote sto parelqon einai anaptygmenes, einai ploysios o dialogos stis diadikasies aytes. Kai nomizw oti exei xreos opoios boyleyths h stelexos exei apoceis na eisferei, prokeimenoy h politikh mas na beltiwqei (giati pantote mia politikh epidexetai beltiwsh), ekei na ekfrasei tis apoceis toy, wste mesa apo mia gonimh antiparaqesh kai synqesh h grammh mas na einai h kalyterh dynath. Emeis pisteyoyme oti h Ellada einai paragontas isxyros kai monadikos isws gia thn asfaleia kai th staqerothta sthn perioxh. Qewroyme oti to dogma toy "den diekdikoyme alla kai den paraxwroyme" (kai ayto den epishmainetai, to epishmainw egw twra), einai ena dogma to opoio apeikonizei to ti einai ayto poy epidiwkoyme. Kai pisteyw oti ayto einai apolyta symbato kai eyqygrammismeno - qa elega - me ta eqnika mas symferonta. Dioti h Ellada einai apofasismenh na mhn paraxwrhsei h na apempolhsei ta eqnika ths dikaia.

SOYRMELIDHS: Kai eseis entassete olon ayton to sxetiko problhmatismo poy anaptyssetai sto plaisio toy prosynedriakoy dialogoy;

REPPAS: Kyrie Soyrmelidh, eipa oti o prosynedriakos dialogos einai ploysios. Anaptyssontai diafores apoceis. Alla, bebaiws, epeshmana oti sta plaisia kybernhtikwn organwn alla kai kommatikwn (kybernhtikwn en prokeimenw, mia kai pros thn Kybernhsh askeitai h kritikh, opws epeshmane o k. Skoyrhs), yparxei h dynatothta na anaptyssontai aytes oi apoceis. Hdh, ayrio (11.6.96), synedriazei h Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK. Einai enas xwros, opoy mporoyn tetoies apoceis na diatypwqoyn, na yparjei antilogos, na yparjei mia telikh qesh. Kai en pash periptwsei, ayto to opoio prepei na epishmanw einai oti oloi oi boyleytes ekfrazontas tis apoceis toys, oyte mia stigmh den diatypwnoyn mia qesh tetoia, wste na tiqetai se amfibolia h yposthrijh thn opoia prosferoyn sthn Kybernhsh mas. H Kybernhsh exei megalh kai isxyrh, bebaih pleiochfia sthn Ellhnikh Boylh. Kai ayto einai kati poy se kanenan den prepei na diafeygei.

GLISTRAS: Hqela na rwthsw an o Prwqypoyrgos, dhlwnontas shmera to prwi oti oi Enoples Dynameis ths xwras briskontai se plhrh etoimothta, kyriolektei. Dioti h ennoia "plhrhs etoimothta" shmainei anastolh adeiwn, polla pragmata, ta opoia den jerw an ontws ylopoioyntai h menoyme mono sta logia.

REPPAS: Kyrie Glistra, shmainei ta panta ta opoia dinoyn oysia kai periexomeno s'ayth th frash: "Plhrhs etoimoths". Asfalws den prokeitai na anakoinwsoyme shmera h ayrio kapoia ektakta metra, alla otan miloyme gia etoimothta, h etoimothta ayth einai - qa elega - se mia sxesh synepeias me o,ti ekdhlwnetai ws symperifora apo thn allh pleyra. Hdh, jekinaei mia askhsh ypo thn epwnymia "EFES" apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias. Logiko einai na yparxei mia entash sthn perioxh. Ara, epiballetai apo thn pleyra mas na yparxei analogh epagrypnhsh. H etoimoths einai ena fainomeno monimo. Einai h politikh mas gia tis Enoples Dynameis, alla kai gia to synolo - qa moy epitrecete na pw - toy kratikoy mhxanismoy. Prepei na yparxei pantote etoimoths.

SOYRMELH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, apanthsate prohgoymenws sth synadelfo ka Poylidoy oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh den exei kammia desmeysh na parastei sto deipno. Erwtw eyqews: Qa parastei h den qa parastei;

REPPAS: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh, kyria Soyrmelh, qa labei meros stis synedriaseis poy qa ginoyn sth Flwrentia. To an qa parastei h oxi, qa to deite tote. En pash periptwsei, ean epeigesqe, sas lew oti emeis ap'ayto to "faghto, mallon den qa fame"!

ELENOPOYLOS: Den qa peinate dhladh ekeinh thn wra; (!)

REPPAS: Emeis eimaste ikanopoihmenoi me ayta poy exoyme kerdisei ws Eqnos kai ws Koinwnia, kyrie Elenopoyle. Alloi einai aytoi oi opoioi peinoyn kai ston ypno toys "karbelia oneireyo- ntai"!!! Kai prepei h Toyrkia, en prokeimenw, apo ta apathla ths oneira na prosgeiwqei - opws exw pei kai pali - sthn pragmatikothta ths dieqnoys ennomhs tajhs. Na pacei na oneireyetai karbelia!

T. MPERMPERAKHS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos, sth dhlwsh toy shmera to prwi, milhse gia diabhmata ths Ellados stoys Dieqneis Organismoys. Mporeite na mas ta ejeidikeysete;

REPPAS: Se oloys toys Dieqneis Organismoys poy symmetexei h Ellada - kai symmetexei stoys perissoteroys, an oxi se oloys - kai bebaiws stis hgesies twn jenwn xwrwn.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Kai mia deyterh erwthsh: Logiko einai na yparxei entash, logw ths toyrkikhs askhshs sto Aigaio;

REPPAS: Otan brisketai se ejelijh mia askhsh, h paroysia stratiwtikwn dynamewn, ek twn pragmatwn, ej antikeimenoy, dhmioyrgei mia entash.

MIXAHL: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean h Kybernhsh exei enhmerwsei plhrws - kai epimenw sto "plhrws" - ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias h exoyn synapofasisei (Kybernhsh kai Proedros ths Dhmokratias) to ti qa anaferei o k. Proedros ths Dhmokratias stoys Germanoys epishmoys, kata thn episkech toy sth Germania, poy arxise shmera.

REPPAS; O Proedros ths Dhmokratias einai apolytws enhmeros gia thn politikh ths Kybernhshs. Alla, bebaiws, den synapofasizei h Kybernhsh me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Apofaseis lambanei h Kybernhsh. Ayth xarassei kai askei thn ejwterikh politikh. O Proedros ths Dhmokratias, sthn prajh kai kat'epanalhch, exei apodeixqei epityxhmenos eqnikos presbeyths sthn prowqhsh twn eqnikwn mas qematwn.

SOYRMELIDHS: Qelw na rwthsw, an yphrje synanthsh toy k. Pagkaloy me ton k. Milosebits h an qa yparjei synanthsh toy k. Milosebits me opoiodhpote ekproswpo ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Den yparxei synanthsh toy k. Pagkaloy me ton k. Milosebits. O k. Milosebits den exei kammia synanthsh sthn Ellada me opoiodhpote Ellhna ajiwmatoyxo.

ELENOPOYLOS: Einai edw dhladh;

REPPAS: Den exei sthn Ellada opoiadhpote synanthsh me opoiodhpote Ellhna ajiwmatoyxo, eipa.

MIXAHL: Einai sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: Den qesate tetoio qema. H Ellada einai mia omorfh kai filojenh xwra. Den einai asynhqisto, polloi jenoi gnwstoi hgetes, na thn episkeptontai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia toyrismo exei erqei;

SOYGLERHS: Yparxoyn plhrofories oti qa topoqethqei kai deyteros Genikos Grammateas sto Ypoyrgeio Typoy. Einai alhqeia; To epibebaiwnete h to diaceydete;

REPPAS: Mporw na sas anakoinwsw oti brisketai pros dhmosieysh sto Eqniko Typografeio, sto fyllo ths Efhmeridas ths Kybernhshs h idrysh kai leitoyrgia Genikhs Grammateias Enhmerwshs, sta plaisia toy Ypoyrgeioy Typoy, ths opoias armodiothta qa einai kata kyrio logo h enhmerwsh ths dieqnoys koinhs gnwmhs gia ta eqnika mas qemata. Exoyme mia politikh ston tomea ayto, thn opoia ekponoyme kai pisteyoyme oti ayth h Genikh Grammateia einai ena xrhsimo organo, to opoio qa apodeixqei wfelimo sthn prajh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poion bazete;

REPPAS: Parakalw, allh erwthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Aporrhto einai;

REPPAS: Den einai tipota aporrhto k. Stamatopoyle. Alla, oi apofaseis aytes, antilambane- sqe, exoyn orismenh diadikasia. Ayth h diadikasia den exei yparjei akomh basei ths opoias lambanontai oi sxetikes apofaseis. Mhn protrexete.

GLISTRAS: H Gramateia toy KYSEA leitoyrghse shmera;

REPPAS: Shmera, synedriase to KYSEA, k. Glistra, ypo thn plhrh synqesh toy.

GLISTRAS: H Grammateia...

REPPAS: Epanalambanw kai pali: Shmera synedriase to KYSEA.

SOYGLERHS: Pote qa anakoinwsei thn ypochfiothta toy o k. Shmiths;

REPPAS: O k. Shmiths, o,tidhpote exei na pei poy ton afora, qa to pei o idios dhmosiws. Thn wra poy qewrei oti einai h katallhlh kai wfelimh gia to Kinhma mas, alla kyriws gia thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Opws jerete, o k. Shmiths den einai stelexos kommatiko monon. Einai o Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras.

BAREMENOS: O k. Laliwths eipe xqes oti to PASOK katatrexetai apo to syndromo toy Titanikoy. Eseis niwqete to karabi na gernei kai na phgainei gia foynto; (!)

REPPAS: Agaphte Giwrgo, pisteyw oti - opws eipa kai prin - o k. Laliwths exei dikaiwma na leei eleyqera tis apoceis toy. Apla pairnw aformh apo thn antidrash poy yphrxe sto xaritwmeno sxolio - erwthsh soy, legontas oti ayto shmainei pws oloi mas sto PASOK, prepei idiaiterws ayth thn periodo, na apodeixqoyme Titanes!

KAMPRAS: Gia Titaniko milhse, den milhse gia Titanes!

REPPAS: Nai. Kai egw lew oti prepei na apodeixqoyme Titanes! Na kanoyme ena titanio ergo.

KIAOS: A, dexesqe dhladh ton oro.

REPPAS: "Titanikos" htan to onoma enos ploioy. Emeis sto PASOK, allwste, exoyme kanei "anti- titaniko" oro!!!

KWNSTANTHS: Qa pragmatopoihqei telika h synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Proedro toy PASOK kai pote;

REPPAS: Qa anakoinwqei kai qa ginei.

MOYRTZHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, opws bebaia qa gnwrizete, thn Paraskeyh (7.6.96) astynomikoi eisebalan sto Kanali mas, sto STAR kai synelaban aney aitias treis ergazomenoys ek twn opoiwn o enas htan o Dieyqynths. Exete na peite tipota gia ton yperballonta zhlo poy epedeijan ta astynomika organa kai malista aney aitias;

REPPAS: Ayto poy qelw na sxoliasw einai oti asfalws, oloi eimaste yper ths eleyqerhs diakinhshs twn idewn, ths plhroforhshs thn opoia prepei na parexoyn xwris empodia ta Mesa. Alla, bebaiws, den prepei na mas diafeygei oti prepei na ginontai sebastes oi apofaseis twn Organwn ths Politeias kai twn dikastikwn organwn idiaiterws.

SOYRMELH: Qelw na epanelqoyme sthn episkech Milosebits. Epeidh anamfisbhthta prokeitai peri megalhs fysiognwmias, peri megaloy hgetoy sthn perioxh, mhpws exete plhroforhsh, pote hrqe, pote feygei kai an qa kanei kapoia syzhthsh me kapoio ekproswpo ths Kybernhshs edw;

REPPAS: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh den exei epikoinwnia me ton k. Milosebits aytes tis hmeres.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, para tayta, o Ellhnikos Typos grafei oti qa ton episkefqei o k. Prwqypoyrgos kai malista qa syzhthsoyn gia to Skopiano.

REPPAS: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh, loipon, apanta oti den yparxei opoiadhpote syzhthsh h synanthsh, poly perissotero, ajiwmatoyxwn ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs me ton k. Milosebits.
Sas eyxaristw poly.

** Anejarthta apo thn ayrianh synedriash ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omados, h taktikh enhmerwsh mas qa ginei kanonika kai wra 13.00 sto Ypoyrgeio Typoy.

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