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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 4.6.1996

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Dhladh, pyrkagies.

REPPAS: Kai oxi monon. Ayta, loipon, einai ta dyo basika qemata me ta opoia qa asxolh8ei to ayriano Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.
* Thn Pempth (6.6.96) o k. Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei th Qessalonikh. Qa enhmerwqeite ayrio leptomerws gia thn episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Shmith sth Qessalonikh. Ayta apo pleyras moy. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KIAOS: Epeidh ekkremei mia syzhthsh gia thn ejwterikh politikh poy qa ginei se mia apo tis prosexeis synedriaseis toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy...

REPPAS: Exei dromologhqei, kyrie Kiao.

KIAOS: Pote;

REPPAS: Gia thn ayrianh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, sas eipa hdh. Otan yparjei allh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, qa sas anakoinwqoyn ta qemata.

KIAOS: Ayth h syzhthsh gia thn ejwterikh politikh qa ginei prin h meta apo to Synedrio;

REPPAS: Tipote den apokleietai. To Synedrio einai ena koryfaio gegonos, alla den apotelei xroniko shmeio poy orizei dyo periodoys, opws isws yponoeite.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Analoga me ta apotelesmata toy Synedrioy, kyrie Ypoyrge.

REPPAS: Ta apotelesmata opoia kai na einai, qa einai poly kala gia to PASOK. Ayto einai poy exei shmasia. Giati oloi, opoies qeseis kai an diatypwnoyn, ergazontai gia to kalo toy PASOK. Ta apotelesmata qa einai kala gia to PASOK. Na eisqe bebaioi gi'ayto. Kai ej aytoy toy logoy, qa einai kala gia th xwra.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Yparxei monomaxia gia thn Antiproedria metajy Shmith kai Tsoxatzopoyloy;

REPPAS: Me rwtate na sas apanthsw an yparxei "monomaxia";

SOYGLERHS: Nai.

REPPAS: Oxi, den yparxei "monomaxia".

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Ejasfaira!

REPPAS: Sas parakalw para poly!

BAREMENOS: Dhladh, kyrie Ypoyrge, ti einai ayto to Synedrio; Ena aplo "mats" einai;

REPPAS: To Synedrio pragmatopoieitai me bash tis apofaseis poy exei labei h Kentrikh Epitroph toy Kinhmatos. Ginetai me tropo syntetagmeno. Oi diadikasies toy problepontai apo to katastatiko mas. Kai para to oti anaferomaste se kommatika qemata, arkoymai na pw oti qa einai ena epityxhmeno Synedrio apo kaqe apoch.

KANAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, isxyei ayto poy feretai eipwn o Prwqypoyrgos oti an den eklegei Antiproedros toy Kinhmatos apo to Synedrio, qa paraithqei apo thn Prwqypoyrgia;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos otan exei kati dhmosiws na pei poy ton afora, qa to pei o idios.

MIXAHL: Se synexeia ths erwthshs toy synadelfoy k. Kana: H Kybernhsh diaceydei to endexomeno prowrwn eklogwn sthn periptwsh poy o k. Shmiths den eklegei sthn Antiproedria toy Kommatos;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh den antimetwpizei qema prowrwn eklogwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exete kanena sxolio gia tis nees toyrkikes proklhseis kai eidika gia to qema ths Gaydoy;

REPPAS: Eteqh tetoio qema apo stratiwtiko ths Toyrkias (Ploiarxo ton baqmo, nomizw) sto plaisio syzhthsewn gia to sxediasmo natoikhs askhshs, h opoia prokeitai na diejaxqei thn epomenh periodo. Ayto to opoio ws sxolio mporw, ayth thn wra, na diatypwsw einai oti h symperifora ayth ths Toyrkias fainetai oti exei oria ta opoia den ejantloyntai. Kaqe fora h Toyrkia yperbainei ton eayto ths, ton epiqetiko kai proklhtiko eayto ths. Emfanizetai pleon ws dieqnhs tarajias h Toyrkia. Kai to problhma ths den einai me thn Ellada. To problhma ths einai me to Dieqnes Dikaio kai thn dieqnh ennomh tajh. Kai ayto prepei h dieqnhs koinwnia na to antilhfqei kai na labei ta metra ths.

GLYSTRAS: Syndeei h Kybernhsh th seira twn prohgoymenwn apo pleyras Toyrkias epeisodiwn me ayto to epeisodio, einai dhladh entetagmeno mesa se ena genikotero sxediasmo se syndyasmo me thn piesh poy hskhsan Amerikanoi ajiwmatoyxoi ston k. Koyrh sto na yparxoyn Amerikanoi parathrhtes sto Aigaio;

REPPAS: Kyrie Glystra, h ejwterikh politikh ths Toyrkias asfalws ephreazetai apo tis ejelijeis poy yparxoyn sto eswteriko ths xwras. Ayth thn periodo, sto eswteriko ths Toyrkias, yparxei politikh astaqeia kai reystothta, ayto to gnwrizete. Alla, bebaiws, h stash thn opoia h Ellada krataei einai mia stash apofasistikh apenanti stis proklhseis aytes ths Toyrkias. Kai qewroyme pws yparxoyn dieqneis symfwnies kai kanones oi opoioi einai arketoi wste na diafylattoyn th galhnh kai thn hremia sthn perioxh, efoson oi kanones aytoi ginoyn sebastoi. Oi dieqneis foreis - kai to NATO sygkekrimena - asfalws epidiwkoyn na yparxei mia kalyterh synennohsh kai synergasia twn dyo xwrwn. Emeis exoyme kat'epanalhch pei oti h synergasia ayth apo mas einai epiqymhth, sth bash omws ths isotimhs kai amoibaia epwfeloys sxeshs me thn Toyrkia, oxi sth bash ths ekxwrhshs twn eqnikwn kyriarxikwn mas dikaiwmatwn h ths blabhs twn eqnikwn mas symferontwn. Ayto den to syzhtoyme.

DHMAKAS: Ta NEA grafoyn shmera gia diabhma poy egine ston k. Solana kai ston Proedro ths stratiwtikhs epitrophs. Pws qa klimakwsei...;

REPPAS: Gia poio qema;

DHMAKAS: Gia to qema ths Gaydoy. Pws qa klimakwsei...;

REPPAS: Exei kanei oloys toys xeirismoys, toys diplwmatikoys kai toys stratiwtikoys h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh, sta kentra opoy lambanontai oi apofaseis aytes, wste h qesh mas na einai toso safhs kai toso jekaqarh. Na mhn yparxei opoiadhpote paranohsh. Kai pisteyoyme oti to qema ayto to opoio eqese h Toyrkia einai mia nea proklhsh. Kai qa moy epitrecete na pw oti ypo mia ennoia synista kai mia paradojologia sto plaisio ths synergasias dyo xwrwn kai koinwn askhsewn na diatypwnontai tetoies ajiwseis apo thn Toyrkia se baros ths Ellados. H ellhnikh pleyra, en pash periptwsei, to antimetwpizei apofasistika. Den syzhtoyme, den yparxei gia mas tetoio qema.

MARDAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxoyn plhrofories oti h Toyrkia proxwrei ston epoikismo ths Imbroy kai oti egkaqista 500 Toyrkoys apo thn Kallipolh sto nhsi. Apasxolei ayto thn Kybernhsh; Ti energeies exoyn ginei;

REPPAS: Exoyme syzhthsei gi' ayto to qema k. Marda. Syllegoyme plhrofories. Yparxei mia epikoinwnia me tis diplwmatikes mas yphresies sth geitonikh xwra. Exw dhlwsei kai pali me aformh sxetikh erwthsh oti mia tetoia kinhsh epoikismoy me Toyrkoys epoikistes ths Imbroy alloiwnei thn ellhnikh fysiognwmia toy nhsioy, parabainei th Synqhkh ths Lwzanhs kai emeis qa to antimetwpisoyme apofasistika. Den qa meinoyme apaqeis. Qa ginei gnwsto poia qa einai ayth h stash ths Kybernhshs otan fanei oti ayto to gegonos einai en th genesei toy. Twra apla skeceis yparxoyn, sxedia anaptyssontai.

MARDAS: Xqes o ekproswpos toy STATE DEPARTMENT eipe oti ayth h polyxronh diamaxh metajy Ellados kai Toyrkias den exei epiptwseis genikotera sto strathgiko pedio, dioti eipe oti h Ellada qa yposthrijei se periptwsh epiqeshs thn Toyrkia kai h Toyrkia thn Ellada. Pws to sxoliazei ayto h Kybernhsh; Exoyme desmeytei emeis oti eimaste ypoxrewmenoi na yposthrijoyme thn Toyrkia...;

REPPAS: Den exw na sxoliasw k. Marda, apla epishmainw oti anhkoyme sto NATO kai einai dikh mas epilogh na anhkoyme sto NATO. To NATO exei kapoioys kanones basei twn opoiwn leitoyrgei. Aytoi oi kanones asfalws desmeyoyn oles tis xwres melh toy NATO, efoson me dikh toys epilogh paramenoyn melh toy NATO oi xwres aytes.

MARDAS: Den yparxei ypoxrewsh aytomaths stratiwtikhs syndromhs;

REPPAS: Kyrie Marda, mhn exoyme, parakalw, mia diaqesh na antimetwpizoyme me filopolemika senaria ta problhmata ta opoia yparxoyn sthn perioxh. Yparxoyn problhmata sthn perioxh kai to NATO fainetai adynamo na antimetwpisei ta problhmata poy yparxoyn stis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn. Ayth einai h alhqeia.

MARDAS: H Kybernhsh einai sth stratiwtikh symmaxia...

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh einai sth stratiwtikh symmaxia, epeidh ayth h epilogh toy na anhkei h Ellada sto NATO einai epilogh thn opoia den exei kanei aplws h Kybernhsh. Einai mia epilogh ths ellhnikhs politikhs hgesias, h opoia epilogh exei mia hlikia poly megalh, opws poly kala gnwrizete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mporei na fygei an qelei...

REPPAS: Asfalws, den mas krataei kaneis me to zori se kammia symmaxia, k. Stamatopoyle Den fantazomai na rwtate an skeftetai h Kybernhsh na fygei apo to NATO. Kai poly perissotero den fantazomai na to proteinete eseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw, giati; Kai na to proteinw egw den exei shmasia.

REPPAS: Den exei teqei tetoio qema apoxwrhshs ths Ellados apo to NATO. Parakalw poly.

MARDAS: Mhn enoxleisqe apo tis erwthseis. Einai gia antlhsh plhroforiwn.

REPPAS: Kaqoloy.

MARDAS: Otan o ekproswpos toy STATE DEPARTMENT prokatalambanei tis qeseis ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs, prepei na apanthsete.

REPPAS: Einai mia prowqhmenh ypoqesh k. Marda, na apanthsoyme ti qa kanei h Ellada an dexqei epiqesh h Toyrkia apo opoiadhpote allh xwra h opoia den einai melos toy NATO. Parakalw poly, sas eipa me aformh allh erwthsh dikh sas, epixeireiste na prokalesete ena tetoio problhma, na deite poia qa einai h antidrash ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs! Den nomizw oti einai toy parontos ayta ta qemata. Oti h Ellada einai melos toy NATO kai desmeyetai apo ton kanonismo leitoyrgias toy NATO, sas einai gnwsto. Opws sas einai poly gnwsto oti eimaste melos toy NATO, epeidh ayto apotelei dikh mas epilogh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ejetazei h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh to endexomeno enisxyshs twn stratiwtikwn dynamewn sthn Notio Krhth kai eidika sth Gaydo;

REPPAS: Oi stratiwtikes dynameis poy yparxoyn sthn Krhth einai yper arketes gia na yperaspistoyn thn edafikh mas akeraiothta.

MIXAHL: Aisqanetai h Kybernhsh oti diaxeirizetai idiwtika symferonta kai oxi ta symferonta ths xwras; Safes to erwthma.

REPPAS: H apanthsh einai safhs kai aytonohth. Th dwsate monos sas.

MIXAHL: Tote o k. Kaklamanhs...

REPPAS: "Tote", eidate loipon;

MIXAHL: Tote giati o k. Kaklamanhs leei oti teinoyn ta kommata, ara kai ta kybernwnta kommata, na diaxeirisqoyn idiwtika symferonta kai oxi ta symferonta toy laoy;

REPPAS: O k. Kaklamanhs diatypwse tis apoceis toy. Oi apoceis toy einai sebastes. Den exw logo na sxoliasw tis apoceis toy k. Kaklamanh. O k. Kaklamanhs - mh sas diafeygei - einai apo toys boyleytes ekeinoys oi opoioi exoyn chfisei thn Kybernhsh, exoyn dwsei chfo empistosy- nhs sthn Kybernhsh kai sthrizoyn thn Kybernhsh kai to kybernwn komma sto opoio anaferqhkate.
Sas eyxaristw poly.

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