BRIEFING 22-05-96

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 22.5.96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

GARGALAKOS: Qelw na kanw mia erwthsh kai na moy dwsete mia dieykrinish, sas parakalw: Tis proalles, sas rwthsa ean yparxei kleismeno "ranteboy" toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo. Kai eipate oti den exei kaqorisqei "ranteboy", alla qa synanthqoyn...

REPPAS: Qa ginei, eipa, tis epomenes hmeres, to epomeno diasthma.

GARGALAKOS: Omws ginetai shmera, etsi opws htan h plhroforia.

REPPAS: Qa mporoysa na to anakoinwsw xqes, kyrie Gargalako. Htan mia paraleich. Alla, htan kati poy to gnwrizate. Allwste grafthke xqes oti qa ginei shmera ayth h synanthsh. Eixa pei tote oti qa ginei tis epomenes hmeres, to epomeno diasthma. To eixa pei oti qa ginei ayth h synanthsh.

SOYGLERHS: Ayth h epispeysh mhpws exei sxesh me ta legomena toy k. Pagkaloy;

REPPAS: Oxi, den yparxei epispeysh, kyrie Soyglerh. Kammia epispeysh den yparxei. Apla programmatisqhke kai ginetai shmera ayth h synanthsh.

KIAOS: Mhpws prokeitai na synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph entos twn hmerwn;

REPPAS: H Kybernhtikh Epitroph qa synedriasei thn Paraskeyh (24.5.96).

KIAOS: Epeidh o k. Tsoxatzopoylos proxqes, milwntas sto Hrakleio, anefere oti to qema poy afora tis dhlwseis Pagkaloy qa syzhthqei sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph. An exete kati eseis, ep'aytoy, epipleon.

REPPAS: Den einai antikeimeno syzhthshs sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph to qema ayto. Alla, bebaiws, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos an qewrei oti prepei na ferei to qema sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph einai qema diko toy, na to kanei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o Prwqypoyrgos einai eyxaristhmenos ap'aytes tis antegklhseis metajy twn Ypoyrgwn toy kai malista me oxi idiaitera kalh fraseologia; Mporoyn, gia paradeigma, twra mesa sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio na synergasqoyn o k. Pagkalos me ton k. Benizelo;

REPPAS: Opoioi synyparxoyn se mia Kybernhsh, kyrie Stamatopoyle, aytomatws, shmainei pws exoyn ejasfalisei toys oroys ekeinoys, wste na mporoyn na synergasqoyn. Asfalws h eikona h opoia yparxei den einai h kalyterh dynath. Asfalws den mas ikanopoiei. Epanalamba- nw kati poy eipa xqes, alla bebaiws prepei na pw - kai eimai kathgorhmatikos s'ayto - oti h synergasia, h synennohsh poy yparxei sta plaisia ths Kybernhshs, epitrepei wste h Kybernhsh na leitoyrgei kai na apodidei ergo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan omws o enas leei gia ton allon oti den einai sobaros, einai dynaton aytoi oi anqrwpoi metajy toys na synergasqoyn;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, sth dikh sas krish einai h symperifora twn politikwn. Oi politikoi einai dhmosioi andres. Mporoyn na krinoyn ta qemata. Na lene tis apoceis toys gia ta qemata toy topoy, alla, bebaiws, krinontai kai oi idioi. Epanalambanw kai pali oti oi oroi leitoyrgias ths Kybernhshs einai tetoioi, wste h Kybernhsh na leitoyrgei kai na apodidei ergo. Bebaiws, pantote yparxei dynatothta beltiwshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mporoyn na synergasqoyn, dhladh, lete;

REPPAS: Nomizw oti krinoyn oti mporei na synergasqoyn kai oi idioi ef'oson briskontai se ena kybernhtiko sxhma, me synadelfoys oi opoioi kata th dikh sas cm~lg briskontai se teleiws allh kateyqynsh. To oti synyparxoyn se ena kybernhtiko sxhma shmainei oti briskontai sthn idia kateyqynsh ths prospaqeias poy kanoyn oloi, wste h Kybernhsh na antapokriqei sta kaqhkonta ths. Allh erwthsh.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mhpws rwthsate ton k. Prwqypoyrgo an o k. Arsenhs, o politikos proistamenos twn Enoplwn Dynamewn zhthse thn apopomph toy k. Pagkaloy;

REPPAS: O k. Arsenhs den exei zhthsei thn apopomph toy k. Pagkaloy. Den exei mpei tetoio qema. O k. Arsenhs exei epikoinwnia me ton k. Pagkalo. Kai mazi me ton k. Pagkalo qa synergasqoyn me ton Prwqypoyrgo, opws eixe anakoinwqei, thn Paraskeyh (24.5.96) to prwi.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Exei kanonisqei hmeromhnia synanthshs twn tessarwn Presbewn;

REPPAS: H synanthsh ayth qa ginei stis 28 toy mhnos. Qa exei proparaskeyastiko xarakthra, en ocei ths synanthshs twn Ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn sto Berolino. Epanalambanw kai pali oti h synanthsh ayth den apotelei mia synanthsh gia dialogo me sygkekrimeno programmatiko xarakthra gia ena domhmeno kai organwmeno dialogo. Exei ena xarakthra proparaskeyastiko, en ocei ths synanthshs sto Berolino.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Kapoio idiaitero qema poy protiqetai na qesei h Ellhnikh Antiproswpeia;

REPPAS: Den yparxei "atzenta", kyrie Mpermperakh. Ara, den yparxoyn kai qemata ta opoia einai programmatismena na teqoyn s'ayth th synanthsh.

PARIS: H Kybernhsh sxediazei na ayjhsei toys foroys twn eleyqerwn epaggelmatiwn, opws grafetai shmera stis efhmerides, kyrie Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Kyrie Paris, prepei na sas pw oti oi anaprosarmoges twn antikeimenikwn krithriwn poy isxyoyn sto forologiko mas systhma, ginontai sto telos toy xronoy. Shmerina dhmosieymata den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta. Ta dhmosieymata ayta milane gia anaprosarmoges h ayjhseis se pososto 80% enw kapoia alla anaferontai se ayjhseis 100%. Den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta. Den aphxoyn thn politikh ths Kybernhshs. Oi anaprosarmoges, opoies yparjoyn, qa ginoyn sto telos toy etoys. Ara, ta dhmosieymata ayta den antistoixoyn se prwtoboylies h apofaseis poy exei labei to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn shmera.

PARIS: Sxediazei h Kybernhsh gia to telos toy etoys poy qa ginoyn anaprosarmoges na rijei megalytero baros sth forologia twn eleyqerwn epaggelmatiwn;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh sxediazei me thn politikh ths na petyxei af'enos, toys stoxoys kalyteras beltiwshs twn oikonomikwn deiktwn - kai den mpainw se leptomereies - af'eteroy, na ejasfalisei ena ajioprepes epipedo diabiwshs gia oloys toys Ellhnes. Idiaitera na bohqhsei tis adynames koinwnika omades. Ayth einai h genikh politikh mas.

KOGIANNHS: Na syzhtame tote sto press room kai ta aqlhtika, k. Ypoyrge an mpainoyme kai se tetoia qemata...

REPPAS: Ekana mia genikh anafora kai menw mono s' ayto.

POYLIDOY: Na epanelqw sthn erwthsh toy k. Mpermperakh: Eipate oti den qa exei atzenta h synanthsh; Dioti xwris atzenta eiqistai na ginontai oi synanthseis Prwqypoyrgwn h en pash periptwsei politikwn paragontwn. Oxi yphresiakwn paragontwn. Ara, briskontai gia na poyn ti aytoi oi diplwmates;

REPPAS: Den yparxei atzenta, h opoia na einai symfwnhmenh ek twn proterwn. Asfalws, qa syzhthsoyn kapoia qemata, ta opoia qa teqoyn ekei. Ayth thn wra den einai pros anakoinwsh ta qemata ta opoia qa teqoyn. Protoy pragmatopoihqei ayth h synanthsh, den einai dynaton na gnwrizoyme ta qemata.

POYLIDOY: Dhladh, qa ginei diapragmateysh epi ths atzentas qelete na peite;

REPPAS: Den qa ginei kammia diapragmateysh. Giati epanalambanw oti h synanthsh ayth den einai organwmenos h domhmenos dialogos. H kaqe pleyra qa ekqesei tis apoceis ths, wste h allh pleyra na gnwrizei tis apoceis ths prwths pleyras.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: H Kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo tis xqesines dhlwseis toy k. Gkionensai;

REPPAS: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh gnwrizei tis dhlwseis toy k. Gkionensai, oi opoies den einai tipota allo, para h epanalhch twn dhlwsewn poy probainoyn oi Toyrkoi ajiwmatoyxoi me mikres parallages, oi opoies ekfrazoyn tis qeseis ths Toyrkias. Den qeloyme na parablecoy- me oti sthn Toyrkia yparxei mia reystothta sthn politikh zwh, shmera, poy isws ephreazei kai thn ejwterikh ths politikh. Apo thn allh, oi qeseis aytes tis opo_er ejefrase o k. Gkionensai, einai qeseis oi opoies den mas briskoyn symfwnoys. Eimaste kathgorhmatikoi s' ayto. Emeis qeloyme na miloyme th glwssa ths hqikhs toy dikaioy kai ths logikhs. Nomizw oti ayth th glwssa prepei na milaei kai h Toyrkia dia twn ekproswpwn ths. Giati bebaiws, einai megalo logiko alma - kai menw se ayth thn epishmansh - na milaei o k. Gkionensai gia to adiko toy Dikaioy ths Qalassas!

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Dieykolynei ayth h diatypwsh to klima paramones ths Diaskechs ths Geneyhs;

REPPAS: Ola ayta lambanontai sobara ypoch. Kai asfalws, to klima poy dhmioyrgeitai apo aytoy toy eidoys tis dhlwseis einai klima epibaryntiko stis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn. Asfalws ephreazontai oi sxeseis ths Ellados me thn Toyrkia apo dhlwseis oi opoies odhgoyn - qa moy epitrecete na pw se mia apoklish stis prospaqeies poy prepei na kanoyn oloi me bash to sebasmo sto Dieqnes Dikaio, stis Dieqneis Synqhkes, na ejasfalizoyn thn proseggish.

FILHS: H Kybernhsh dia toy armodioy ekproswpoy toy Ypoyrgeioy Gewrgias synainese se prwth fash sto na xalarwsoyn ta metra toy empargko poy yparxoyn gia th diakinhsh twn ypoproiontwn toy bretanikoy kreatos. Dhladh ena prwto bhma, gia na xalarwsei to empargko gia tis treles agelades. Qa hqela mia ejhghsh gi' ayth th stash. Dedomenoy, giati opws prokyptei apo to reportaz, monon oi eji apo tis dekapente xwres synainesan pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Kai yparxei, oxi aplws isxyros antilogos, alla diktyomenh epixeirhmatologia oti kammia episthmonikh apoch den synainei yper. Qa hqela mia ejhghsh gi' ayth th stash.

REPPAS: Milate me paqos gia thn kthnotrofia kai ta proionta ths. Qa exete leptomereies apo to Ypoyrgeio Gewrgias. H Ellada askei politikh gia to sygkekrimeno qema sto plaisio ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, h opoia lambanei sobarws ypoch thn ejasfalish orwn gia th dhmosia ygeia twn Eyrwpaiwn politwn.

FILHS: Sas ypenqymizw oti to qema syzhthqhke kata th synanthsh poy eixe o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Meitzor...

REPPAS: Hmoyn parwn allwste. To gnwrizw. Loipon, h qesh mas einai ayth...

FILHS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos eixe pei oti h Ellada qa labei ypoch to symferon ths dhmosias ygeias twn Ellhnwn politwn. To elabe kai twra ypoch h Ellada to symferon twn Ellhnwn politwn;

REPPAS: Ayto eipa molis twra. Monimws to lambanei ypoch. Amfiballete gi' ayto; Oti lambanoyme ypoch mas to symferon twn Eyrwpaiwn politwn metajy twn opoiwn symperilam- banesqe kai eseis;

FILHS: H erwthsh einai safhs: Me th xqesinh energeia toy armodioy ekproswpoy ths Elladas, h Ellada ikanopoiei ton oro poy eixe qesei o k. Shmiths meta th synanthsh toy me ton k. Meitzor;

REPPAS: H Ellada exei gnwmona th diasfalish twn orwn gia th dhmosia ygeia twn politwn ths Eyrwphs. Ayth einai h politikh mas. Oi leptomereies kai h ejeidikeysh ths politikhs ayths askoyntai apo to Ypoyrgeio Gewrgias.

FILHS: Dhladh ayto den einai qema Kybernhtikhs politikhs;

REPPAS: To Ypoyrgeio Gewrgias exei oles tis leptomereies. Apeyqynqeite armodiws. H genikh politikh einai ayth, thn opoia diegraca h to plaisio poy anefera molis prin.

PARIS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an o k. Shmiths anakoinwsei tis apofaseis toy sxetika me thn hgesia toy PASOK sto Synedrio h prin apo to Synedrio.

REPPAS: O k. Shmiths qa krinei pote einai h katallhlh stigmh, o katallhlos xronos. Qa to kanei - epanalambanw - me gnwmona to eqniko kai koinwniko symferon. Qa to kanei thn wra poy ekeinos qa epilejei. Exei ayto to dikaiwma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws efqase h wra na kataqesei h Kybernhsh ayth thn tropologia gia to aggelioshmo;

REPPAS: H tropologia ayth einai sta xeria twn synarmodiwn Ypoyrgwn, prokeimeno na ypografei apo toys synadelfoys moy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh mesa sthn ebdomada qa katateqei;

REPPAS: Nomizw pws ayto einai dynato na ginei. Eimaste etoimoi. Antapokriqhkame sta kaqhkonta mas. Ejantlhsame tis dynatothtes poy eixame gia dialogo kai synennohsh me oles tis pleyres. Katalhjame se mia diatypwsh nomikoy keimenoy, to opoio qa kataqesoyme sth Boylh. Qa ypografei apo toys synarmodioys Ypoyrgoys. Nomizw pws qa ginei aytes tis hmeres.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai ayth poy eide to fws ths dhmosiothtas;

REPPAS: Me kapoies mikres parallages h tropopoihseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egine se synennohsh me toys Idiokthtes kai thn ESHEA;

REPPAS: Oi Idiokthtes kai h ESHEA eixan ena keimeno. Me bash ayto to keimeno egine h tropologia.
Sas eyxaristw.

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