BRIEFING 23-05-96

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 23.5.96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

* To apogeyma, o k. Prwqypoyrgos qa milhsei sth Genikh Syneleysh toy SEB. Einai gnwsto ayto, to eipame kai xqes.

* Ayrio, o k. Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia stis 11:30 p.m. me ton k. Pagkalo kai ton k. Arsenh. Kyrio qema syzhthshs - programmatismeno allwste - apotelei, s' ayth th synanthsh, h kalyterh leitoyrgia toy KYSEA kai h sygkrothsh enos mhxanismoy sto plaisio toy KYSEA poy odhgei se kalyterh synergasia to mhxanismo twn dyo Ypoyrgeiwn. Alla bebaiws, sto plaisio ayths ths synanthshs - gia na prolabw erwthseis sas - qa ginei kai syzhthsh gia to qema poy exei prokycei tis teleytaies hmeres. Epishs, ayrio qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph...

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Ti wra;

REPPAS: Amesws meta. Stis 12:00 to meshmeri h ligo meta apo th 12h meshmbrinh. Antikeimeno ths synedriashs einai h diafaneia sto dhmosio bio, idiaiterws oi drasthriothtes poy aforoyn dhmosia erga h promhqeies toy dhmosioy. Qa yparjei ektetamenh anakoinwsh gia th synedriash ayth, ayrio. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas

KAMPRAS: Metadidetai, sygkekrimena apo ton 9,84, oti kapoioi boyleytes apo to xwro toy PASOK etoimazontai na steiloyn epistolh ston Prwqypoyrgo, symfwna me thn opoia qa zhtoyn na labei dhmosiws qesh gi' ayto poy exei prokycei me ton k. Pagkalo. Exei labei tetoia epistolh o k. Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Den exei labei tetoia epistolh o k. Prwqypoyrgos. Oi boyleytes, bebaiws, exoyn to dikaiwma na ekfrazoyn thn apoch toys.

SOYGLERHS: Meta ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo, exoyme synanthseis me ton k. Pagkalo kai me ton k. Arsenh. Exei programmatisei kai alla tetoia "ranteboy" me ta stelexh ta kybernhtika o k. Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Pantote yparxoyn synanthseis tetoioy eidoys. Mporw na sas anakoinwsw twra oti stis 29 toy mhnos qa episkefqei to Ypoyrgeio Paideias o Prwqypoyrgos. Qa exei synergasia me thn hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy gia ta qemata ths paideias. Yparxoyn polles tetoies syntanthseis tis opoies anakoinwnoyme siga - siga kai otan prokeitai na ginoyn se amesws epomenes hmeres. Exei mia atzenta "fortwmenh" o Prwqypoyrgos.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exoyme nees dhlwseis Gilmaz gia to qema toy Aigaioy, gia ta 12 milia, gia dialogo ef' olhs ths ylhs kai protash symfwna me thn opoia otan kai an apotyxei o dialogos, na pame sth Xagh. Pws apantate;

REPPAS: H apanthsh mas stis dhlwseis aytes ths hgesias ths Toyrkias einai mia kai monh: Exoyme kanei sygkekrimenh protash gia mia bhma pros bhma proseggish me thn Toyrkia. Pisteyoyme pws h Toyrkia, h opoia qewrei oti yparxoyn problhmata, einai ayth poy prepei na parei tis prwtoboylies kai idiaiterws gia to qema ths Imias na prosfygei sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio, wste na yparjei lysh sto problhma poy ekeinh isxyrizetai oti yparxei. Emeis qeloyme na yparxei proseggish kai synergasia me thn Toyrkia, alla bebaiws den mporei na yparjei oxi filia kai synergasia, alla opoiadhpote proseggish, an h Toyrkia epimenei se tetoies qeseis, oi opoies dynamitizoyn kaqe prospaqeia gia na yparjei ena klima sygklishs metajy twn dyo xwrwn. Oi dhlwseis toy k. Gilmaz kai toy k. Gkionensai einai dhlwseis oi opoies apexoyn para poly apo thn epideijh, estw, diaqeshs gia mia proseggish ths Toyrkias pros thn Ellada. Ayto einai kati poy bebaiws mporei na exei amesh sxesh le thn astaqeia, thn politikh, poy yparxei ayth thn wra sthn Toyrkia. Oi ejelijeis ekei einai reystes, alla qewroyme pws peran aytoy toy paragonta, prepei h hgesia ths Toyrkias na paroysiazetai me ena allo proswpo, idiaiterws otan milaei gia qemata poy aforoyn th geitonikh xwra, thn Ellada. Ayto to proswpo den mporei na einai proswpo apodekto. Den einai sympaqes. Den einai proswpo to opoio mporei na peisei oti yparxei diaqesh gia mia proseggish.

KANAS: Mia dieykrinish gia ayrio qa hqela. Qa yparjei symmetoxh kai ths stratiwtikhs hgesias sth synanthsh; Kai deyteron, qa yparjei dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy meta;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kana, h synanthsh ayth - epanalambanw kai pali - eixe programmatisqei kai afora sthn kalyterh leitoyrgia toy KYSEA. Kai bebaiws, qa ginei kai syzhthsh gia to sygkekrimeno qema kai qa symmetexoyn s' aythn monon oi dyo Ypoyrgoi toys opoioys proanefera.

KANAS: Qa yparjei kai dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy meta;

REPPAS: Otan teleiwsei h synanthsh ayth kai yparjoyn kapoies apofaseis, oi apofaseis aytes qa sas ginoyn gnwstes. Alla - epanalambanw kai pali - to kyrio antikeimeno afora sth leitoyrgia toy KYSEA.

PAPPA: Me dedomeno oti yparxoyn antirrhseis stoys kolpoys ths Kybernhshs oson afora th bhma pros bhma proseggish me thn Toyrkia, einai stis proqeseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy na sygkalesei Ypoyrgiko Symboylio me ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Kyria Pappa, ta qemata ths ejwterikhs politikhs qa apotelesoyn antikeimeno syzhthshs sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio thn epomenh periodo. Exei anakoinwqei ayto apo ton k. Prwqypoyrgo kai qa ginei.

PAPPA: Sto epomeno...;

REPPAS: Se ena epomeno Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Otan lew "epomenh periodo" den ennow sto apwtero mellon, alla den mporw na prosdiorisw kai hmeromhnia. Epeidh to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio den synedriazei kaqhmerinws, den mporw na pw kai tis epomenes hmeres.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Prin apo th synanthsh toy Berolinoy;

REPPAS: H synanthsh toy Berolinoy einai stis 3 Ioynioy, opws gnwrizoyme. Den nomizw oti mexri tote qa yparjei synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, gi' ayto to qema kaq' oti exei anablhqei hdh mia synedriash h opoia afora qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Aigaioy kai prepei ayth h synedriash na ginei.

GARGALAKOS: Anamenetai ayrio sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph na lhfqoyn metra sxetika me thn diafaneia twn promhqeiwn toy dhmosioy;

REPPAS: Exei kanei anakoinwseis o k. Prwqypoyrgos edw kai mia ebdomada. Exei milhsei metajy twn allwn kai gia to sygkekrimeno qema sto plaisio ths synedriashs ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK. Kai bebaiws ayrio prokeitai na yparjoyn anakoinwseis gia sygkekrimena metra h prwtoboylies tis opoies prokeitai na analabei h Kybernhsh wste na diasfalisei diafaneis diadikasies, sthn kateyqynsh sygkrothshs enos isxyroy qesmikoy plaisioy poy qa ejasfalizei thn yperaspish kai thn proagwgh toy dhmosioy symferontos se aytoys toys tomeis. Wste kai h diafaneia na ikanopoieitai kai oi oroi antagwnismoy, bebaiws, sthn agora. Alla panw apo ola na ejyphreteitai to dhmosio kai laiko symferon.

MAYROS: Peran toy chfisqentos nomoy gia tis promhqeies;

REPPAS: Ola ayta k. Mayro - giati exoyme milhsei kai pali kai exw anaferqei sto nomo ayto - qa synektimhqoyn wste na yparxei, me protaseis poy en tw metajy exoyn katateqei, ena neo plaisio to opoio pisteyoyme oti qa einai to pleon apotelesmatiko, me bash ta stoixeia poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas gia na antimetwpisoyme lysitelws to sygkekrimeno qema.

MPERMPERAKHS: O k. Gilmaz eipe oti h politikh katastash sthn Ellada ephreazei thn dynatothta beltiwshs twn ellhno-toyrkikwn sxesewn kai ekane eidikh anafora sto epikeimeno synedrio toy PASOK. Qa hqela kapoio sxolio apo esas.

REPPAS: Einai pagkoinws gnwsto oti h Kybernhsh sthn Toyrkia brisketai isws pro ths ejodoy apo thn ejoysia. H qesh ths kas Tsiler einai gnwsth. Yparxei mia reystothta sthn politikh zwh ths Toyrkias, thn opoia oloi gnwrizoyn. Antiqetws, sthn Ellada yparxei mia Kybernhsh h opoia sthrizetai se megalh koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia. Ayth einai h eidopoios diafora. Yparxei isxyrotath koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia sthn Ellada poy sthrizei th shmerinh Kybernhsh. Sthn Toyrkia h pleiochfia ayth den yparxei. Einai astaqhs. Isws einai qema xronoy h anatroph ths kiolas.

FILHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes yphrje mia dhmosia parembash, mia anakoinwsh ths Enwshs Idiokthtwn Efhmeridwn Aqhnwn. To qema to opoio qigei afora to legomeno problhma twn diaplekomenwn symferontwn kai qewrei aploysteytikh ayth th diadikadia. Epeidh o shmerinos Prwqypoyrgos, opws kai o k. Papandreoy ws Prwqypoyrgos xqes, exei anaferqei sto qema ayto, h Kybernhsh prokeitai na apanthsei se ayth thn anakoinwsh twn ekdotwn; Thn aforoyn ta osa leei;

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, h Kybernhsh asxoleitai systhmatika me thn antimetwpish twn megalwn problhmatwn ths xwras. Asxoleitai epi ths oysias me ta problhmata. Kai qewroyme pws einai xreos ths politikhs, twn kommatwn kai idiaiterws ths Kybernhshs na antimetwpizei kai na lynei problhmata kai na mhn ejantlei th drasthriothta ths proseggizontas ayta ta problhmata kata tropo akadhmaiko kai filologiko. Den prepei na syzhtoyme mono gia ta problhmata epishmainontas thn yparjh toys. Den prepei na ejantloyme toylaxiston s' ayto to shmeio th drasthriothta mas, oson afora ayta ta problhmata. Giati polles fores ayto mporei na ginetai xarin entypwsiasmoy h syspeirwshs toy kommatikoy akroathrioy. Shmasia exei na antimetwpizoyme thn kardia twn problhmatwn kai na dinoyme lyseis. Exei milhsei gi' ayta o Prwqypoyrgos oti yparxoyn bebaiws symferonta, alla panw apo ola to symferon to opoio oloi yphretoyme einai oxi to idiwtiko h to idioteles, alla to eqniko kai koinwniko, to laiko symferon. Ayto yphretei h Kybernhsh. Kai sto plaisio ayths ths epidiwjhs ths qa yparjei synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs ayrio, h opoia qa katalhjei se sygkekrimenes apofaseis poy qa sas ginoyn gnwstes. Ayth akribws einai h emprakth apanthsh ths Kybernhshs kai sth filologia poy exei anaptyxqei h sth diapistwsh problhmatwn poy ginetai apo polles pleyres. Wste na yparjei, peran olwn twn allwn lektikwn proseggisewn gia ta problhmata ayta, ena isxyro nomiko plaisio poy qa dinei sthn prajh lyseis se ayta ta problhmata.

FILHS: Symmerizetai h Kybernhsh thn apoch twn ekdotwn oti antibainei stis arxes toy eleyqeroy antagwnismoy kai ths eleyqerhs oikonomias endexomenh ryqmish poy qa anaferetai sto asymbibasto twn ekdotikwn drasthriothtwn me...

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, h Kybernhsh qa kanei to kalytero dynaton gia na dwsei sygkekrimenh lysh sta problhmata qespizontas isxyro nomiko plaisio. Kai oi apoceis oi opoies ekfrazontai apo atoma h foreis ths koinwnias mas einai apoceis oi opoies mporoyn eleyqera na kykloforoyn.

FILHS: Mporw na diatypwsw thn erwthsh moy;

REPPAS: Parakalw.

FILHS: H Kybernhsh symmerizetai thn apoch twn ekdotwn oti oi arxes ths eleyqerhs oikonomias den epitrepoyn kaqierwsh asymbibastoy anamesa se idiokthsia Meswn Enhmerwshs kai analhch promhqeiwn apo to Dhmosio.

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh yperaspizetai - kai menei s'ayto - ena nomiko plaisio to opoio yparxei kai yfistatai kai kaqierwnei orismena asymbibasta. H qesh ths Kybernhshs paramenei h idia.

MELETHS: Anaferqhkate se syspeirwsh. Ston k. Ebert anaferesqe;

REPPAS: Ayto einai symperasma diko sas.

MELETHS: Oxi. Na mas peite se poion anaferesqe.

REPPAS: Ws qesh arxhs to anaferw. Oti prepei, otan miloyme gia problhmata, na milame oxi koitwntas pros to komma h to kommatiko akroathrio, alla koitwntas thn oysia twn problhmatwn kai proteinontas qeseis oi opoies apoteloyn lyseis gi'ayta ta problhmata. Na mh xrhsimopoioyme thn yparjh problhmatwn ws bash, ws gefyra, prokeimenoy na epidiwjoyme skopoys oi opoioi exoyn na kanoyn eite me kommatikes epidiwjeis eite me th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn. Alla na proseggizoyme ta problhmata me stoxo na ta lysoyme.

GARGALAKOS: O Arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs sto sygkekrimeno qema ekane mia orqologikh protash: Na sygkrothqei mia Diakommatikh Epitroph sth Boylh, wste sygkrothmenos kai eniaios o politikos kosmos na antimetwpisei to sygkekrimeno akanqwdes zhthma. Poia einai h qesh ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Kyrie Gargalako, den exoyme kammia antirrhsh sth dhmioyrgia tetoiwn Epitropwn. Omws prepei na sas pw oti tis drasthriothtes aytes poy, kata ton k. Ebert, prepei na analabei mia Koinoboyleytikh Diakommatikh Epitroph mporei kallista na tis analabei h yparxoysa Diarkhs Koinoboyleytikh Epitroph, sthn opoia anhkei kai to Ypoyrgeio Typoy. Einai h Epitroph Eswterikwn kai Dhmosias Dioikhshs, opoy mporei pragmatika, me ta melh ths, h Koinoboyleyti- kh ayth Epitroph na entryfhsei, na asxolhqei me ta toy nomoy kai na ekdwsei kapoio porisma. Giati h drasthriothta twn Epitropwn aytwn ejantleitai ekei, sto na asxoleitai, na syzhta, na epishmainei kai na diatypwnei mia Ekqesh, ena porisma sto telos twn ergasiwn ths.

KARAGIANNH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h synhqhs kritikh poy askeitai, sxedon kaqhmerina, apo stelexh ths Kybernhshs se tomeis ths kybernhtikhs politikhs - anaferetai se problhmata - einai perigrafikh twn problhmatwn, exei san stoxo to kommatiko akroathrio, proteinei lyseis; Poia einai h apoch ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Ta stelexh ths Kybernhshs, sta plaisia twn synedriasewn twn kybernhtikwn organwn, kanoyn polles protaseis gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn ta opoia qigoyn.

KARAGIANNH: Den anaferomai s'ayto, kyrie Ypoyrge. Anaferomai se synhqh kritikh poy akoygetai kata kairoys apo ta Mesa Enhmerwshs kai den diatypwnetai sta kybernhtika organa.

REPPAS: Apo poioys ginetai h kritikh;

KARAGIANNH: Profanws qa exete akoysei koryfaioys Ypoyrgoys ths Kybernhshs na anaferontai sthn ejwterikh politikh. Kai einai gnwstes oi apoceis toy k.Peponh, gia paradeigma, gia th bhma pros bhma proseggish me thn Toyrkia, oi apoceis toy k. Benizeloy...

REPPAS: H erwthsh sas poia einai, kyria Karagiannh; Gia na synennohqoyme.

KARAGIANNH: H arxikh, kyrie Ypoyrge.

REPPAS: H arxikh erwthsh, apanthqhke me thn arxikh apanthsh. Kai h arxikh apanthsh htan oti sto plaisio ths Kybernhshs, oi Ypoyrgoi ekqetoyn tis apoceis toys gia to sygkekrimeno qema poy qigete, mporoyn na eishghqoyn qemata ta opoia prepei na symperilhfqoyn sto qematologio twn synedriasewn toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. To Ypoyrgiko Symboylio prokeitai na asxolhqei kai me ta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs kai ekei qa ekqesoyn oloi oi Ypoyrgoi tis apoceis toys.

MOYRTZHS: Sto qema me ta diaplekomena: O k. Ebert diatypwse ena erwthma, me bash poia oikonomika kai epixeirhmatika krithria synthroyntai orismena Mesa Mazikhs Enhmerwshs poy emfanizoyn zhmia. Loipon, qa hqela na apanthsete ep'aytoy, an exete kapoio sxolio. Kai epeidh o k. Ebert katonomase ta Mesa ayta, gia sas den exoyn onomatepwnymo; Einai yparkta, einai fantastika;

REPPAS: Kyrie Moyrtzh, yparxoyn koinoboyleytikes diadikasies tis opoies mporei na ajiopoihsei o k. Ebert kai h Nea Dhmokratia prokeimenoy na exei apanthseis sta erwthmata ta opoia qa qesei.

PARIS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, shmera synedriazei to Symboylio Efetwn. An opws anamenetai apaggelqoyn kathgories kai paei h ypoqesh ston anakrith, h Kybernhsh ti qa kanei: Qa stamathsei to programma chfiakwn paroxwn toy OTE h qa proxwrhsei se neo diagwnismo; Drattomai apo tis poly prosfates dhlwseis oti den mporei na stamathsei to programma.

REPPAS: Kyrie Paris, h Dikaiosynh epiqymoyme to taxytero dynato na dwsei oristiko telos me thn apanthsh ths sthn ekkremothta h opoia yparxei. Na labei anephreasth kai aproskopta tis apofaseis ths, tis opoies sebomaste apolytws. Apo thn allh, h Dioikhsh toy OTE poy prepei na yperaspisqei ta symferonta toy Organismoy, thn anadiorganwsh toy, thn anaptyjh toy, bebaiws, qa parei ws Symboylio toy OTE tis apofaseis toy.

MARDAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ws synexeia ths erwthshs gia to periexomeno ths kritikhs poy askeitai apo orismenoys boyleytes - ypoyrgoys. Otan o k. Kachs leei oti: "Giati na paraithqei o k. Pagkalos, giati tote me poion qa diaskedazoyme;" poia einai h topoqethsh ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Kai oi krinontes, krinontai.

MARDAS: Dhladh;

REPPAS: Kai oi krinontes, krinontai. Otan egw kanw kapoia kritikh se kapoion allon, krinomai kai egw. Gia thn oysia ths kritikhs moy kai gia ton tropo me ton opoion thn askw. Eipa kai xqes oti oi dhmosioi, idiaiterws, andres exoyn ypoxrewsh, oxi mono dikaiwma, na ekfrazoyn tis qeseis toys gia diafora qemata. Alla, bebaiws, oi dhmosioi andres, otan ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys, krinontai gia tis apoceis toys, alla kai gia ton tropo me ton opoion tis ekfrazoyn. Ayto einai mia arxh poy isxyei gia oloys. Isxyei gia oloys, den ejairw kanenan.

GARGALAKOS: Diaforoi oikonomikoi kykloi - yparktoi dhladh, me onomatepwnymo - ekfrazoyn thn apoch oti h Kybernhsh, en ocei Synedrioy, asxoleitai me to Synedrio me apotelesma na yparxoyn kapoies parenergeies sthn oikonomia. H qesh ths Kybernhshs poia einai;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh - to exoyme pei kat'epanalhch - kyrie Caqcak\jo, endiaferetai na antimetwpisei kyriws ta problhmata ta koinwnika kai ta laika. Exei kat'epanalhch kai o Prwqypoyrgos, dhmosiws, pei oti prepei o gnwmonas ths kaqhmerinhs mas drasthriothtas na mhn einai allos para h antapokrish sta kybernhtika mas kaqhkonta. Sto kybernhtiko ergo to opoio mas exei empisteyqei o ellhnikos laos. Alla, bebaiws, sthn Ellada zoyme kai gnwrizoyme oloi oti oi drasthriothtes oi kommatikes - idiaiterws otan exoyn ena koryfaio xarakthra, opws einai to Synedrio enos kommatos - ephreazoyn opwsdhpote th kaqhmerinh drasthriothta h th leitoyrgia organwn h proswpwn. Ayto to opoio prepei na yperaspisqoyme oloi - osoi anhkoyme sthn Kybernhsh h anhkoyme s'aythn thn politikh paratajh - pisteyw einai na dwsoyme ton kalytero eayto mas, na diaqesoyme tis perissoteres dynameis poy o kaqenas exei, wste na antapokriqoyme sta kaqhkonta mas ta kybernhtika, giati ap'ayta qa kriqei to PASOK. Kai o ellhnikos laos qa dwsei kai pali thn empistosynh toy sthn Kybernhsh, krinontas an swsta prajame h oxi. Kai nomizw oti kaqws odeyoyme sto Synedrio - an moy epitrepete mia ektimhsh - oi tonoi qa odhghqoyn,para to gegonos oti einai isws syxna ojeis, se mia synqesh kai ta apotelesmata toy Synedrioy mas qa apogohteysoyn oloys ekeinoys oi opoioi kairofylaktoyn na doyn to PASOK kai thn Kybernhsh na klydwnizetai. Kai to PASOK kai h Kybernhsh qa bgoyn akomh perissotero enisxymenoi apo to Synedrio. Kai, otan bgei perissotero enisxymeno to PASOK apo to Synedrio toy, qa bgei enisxymenh kai h Ellada.

SOYGLERHS: Milhsate me ton k. Skandalidh, kyrie Ekproswpe, kai eiste toso aisiodojos;

REPPAS: Ekana mia ektimhsh, kyrie Soyglerh. Kai ws Ekproswpos ths Kybernhshs pisteyw oti den payei na exoyme endiaferon gia thn poreia toy kommatos mas. Giati h Kybernhsh sthrizetai s'ayto to Kinhma. Kai sas lew kai pali, oti osoi anamenoyn problhmata sto PASOK, qa apogohteyqoyn. To PASOK qa bgei dynamwmeno ap'ayto to Synedrio.

KAMPRAS: Stoys synadelfoys sas toy PASOK apeyqynesqe;

REPPAS: Oxi. Apeyqynomai stis "Kassandres" oi opoies kairofylaktoyn.

KAMPRAS: Kai sto yparxon, kyrie Ypoyrge.

REPPAS: Nomizw oti osoi einai sto PASOK, qeloyn to PASOK dynamwmeno. Eipa oti apo to Synedrio to PASOK qa bgei enisxymeno. Ektos an qewreite oti yparxoyn sto PASOK kapoioi poy den to qeloyn enisxymeno. Egw den to pisteyw ayto, pantws.

SOYGLERHS: Mia erwthsh akomh: Mporeite na dwsete dieykriniseis gia ena eggrafo thn ayqentikothta toy opoioy den thn anagnwrizei o Leykos Oikos;

REPPAS: Den einai ayqentiko. To eggrafo einai plasto. Einai kataskeyasmeno. Kai nomizw oti h drasthriothta kyklwn toys opoioys den gnwrizoyme poioi einai, me ayto to meson, na kykloforhsoyn apoceis h na ephreasoyn thn koinh gnwmh, einai kati poy prepei na katadikastei apofasistika. Den antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia. Den exei ekdoqei apo ton Leyko Oiko. Kai o Leykos Oikos, dia toy Ekproswpoy toy, exei diaceysei thn yparjh h thn ayqentikothta aytoy toy eggrafoy.

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: Para thn aisiodojia sas ston prohgoymeno syllogismo poy diatypwsate ejakoloyqoyn na ekkremoyn oi dhlwseis peri "karagkiozhdwn" sto PASOK. Prohgoymenws eipate oti kai oi krinontes, krinontai...

REPPAS: To eipa kai xqes ayto.

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: ... alla kaneis den exei apanthsei oyte epishma to komma, oyte h Kybernhsh s'aytes tis sklhres dhlwseis.

REPPAS: Poia einai h erwthsh;

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: Pws qa paei me hremia to PASOK se ena Synedrio, otan aytes oi dhlwseis anapanthtes;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh asxoleitai me to ergo ths to kybernhtiko. To PASOK exei tis prosynedriakes toy diadikasies stis opoies symmetexoyme oloi kai seis tis parakoloyqeite. Egw pisteyw - oxi apla elpizw, pisteyw, eimai bebaios - oti meta to Synedrio, to PASOK qa einai enisxymeno.

PARIS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos kai o k. Santer qa kanoyn dhlwseis;

REPPAS: Otan oloklhrwqei h synergasia, qa yparjei mia synenteyjh.

FILHS: Xqes, sthn enarkthria teleth toy Synedrioy toy KKE, den yphrje ekproswphsh ths Kybernhshs. Den prosklhqhke, den phge; Yparxei kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: Sta kommatika synedria, kaloyntai ta politika kommata. Yphrje ekproswphsh toy kommatos mas, to opoio komma sysswmo sthrizei ayth thn Kybernhsh.
Sas eyxaristw.

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