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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 21.5.96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: "Mpofor" shmera, kyrie Ypoyrge!

REPPAS: Den qa to elega. Hremia kai galhnh! Allwste, o kalos kapetanios sth foyrtoyna fainetai! Oriste, o k. Stamatopoylos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Pagkalos ejakoloyqei na einai Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos askei thn ejwterikh politikh me bash to programma ths Kybernhshs. Askei ta kaqhkonta toy apotelesmatika ws Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn kai paramenei Ypoyrgos ths Kybernhshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ejakoloyqei na einai sthn Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Paramenei Ypoyrgos ths Kybernhshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ejakoloyqei na exei thn empistosynh toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

REPPAS: Ta melh ths Kybernhshs, synhqws, exoyn thn empistosynh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Synhqws;

REPPAS: Nomizw, kyrie Stamatopoyle, oti h erwthsh thn opoia qesate perikleiei mesa kai thn apanthsh. Einai dynaton an einai kapoios melos ths Kybernhshs na mhn apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Qa moy epitrecete, otan di'aytoy toy tropoy kai se tetoio epipedo diatypwnete erwthseis, na exw kai egw to dikaiwma oi apanthseis poy dinw, na einai to idio - an qelete - xaritwmenes (!) h aytonohtes.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: O k. Koyloyrhs sto radiofwno eipe oti toylaxiston o k. Pagkalos qa eprepe na paraithqei apo Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Ellados.

REPPAS: Ayto to eipe o k. Koyloyrhs. Einai apoch toy k. Koyloyrh. Kai prepei na sxoliasw thn apoch toy k. Koyloyrh h prepei na empodisoyme ton k. Koyloyrh na ekferei thn apoch toy; Oyte to ena oyte to allo. Etsi den einai; Oriste, o k. Soyglerhs.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prin apo ligo, o Arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Miltiadhs Ebert zhthse eyqews - opws allwste oloi - thn paraithsh toy k. Pagkaloy kai prosqese oti ayta poy symbainoyn shmera sthn Kybernhsh einai prwtognwra gia thn ellhnikh politikh zwh. Qa hqela ena sxolio.

REPPAS: Oi Kybernhseis anadeiknyontai me th laikh chfo, sthrizontai sthn empistosynh toy laoy kai sthn pleiochfia ths Ellhnikhs Boylhs. To politiko "status" se mia xwra den kaqorizetai apo tis epiqymies twn politikwn Arxhgwn, kai malista politikwn Arxhgwn toy diametrhmatos toy k. Ebert. O k. Ebert nomizw oti epeigetai na apogohteyqei. Qelei na pame grhgora se ekloges. As mhn epeigetai. Exei dyo xronia peripoy akomh na askhsei mia epoikodomhtikh antipoliteysh, wste na ejasfalisei ena ikanopoihtiko pososto gia na parameinei Arxhgos ths Antipoliteyshs kai meta to 1997, an bebaia to katorqwsei. Mexri tote, nomizw oti h Kybernhsh qa exei th dynatothta na oloklhrwsei to qetiko ths ergo kai na kriqei apo ton ellhniko lao. O k. Ebert - epanalambanw kai pali - mporei na askei nhfalia kritikh sthn Kybernhsh. Perimenoyme thn epoikodomhtikh protash ths Neas Dhmokratias gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn -twn eqnikwn kai twn koinwnikwn- alla bebaiws den prepei na epitrepetai sth Nea Dhmokratia na antipoliteyetai thn Kybernhsh, mono kai mono gia na syspeirwnei to kommatiko ths akroathrio, xwris na ekferei enan ajiopisto politiko logo.

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, skopeyei na parembei o Prwqypoyrgos sto qema poy exei dhmioyrghqei apo tis dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy, sto qema dhladh ths anataraxhs poy exei prokycei mesa stoys kolpoys twn enoplwn dynamewn, ystera apo tis dhlwseis aytes;

REPPAS: Kyrie Zerbonikolakh, prwton, den exei dhmioyrghqei anataraxh stis enoples dynameis. To qetete eseis ws dikh sas qesh. Egw den to dexomai. Deyteron, o Prwqypoyrgos, sto plaisio twn synergasiwn toy, exei kanei tis synennohseis ekeines, oi opoies pisteyw oti exoyn odhghsei sto na yparxei apolyth hremia shmera.

LIARELLHS: Exei dhladh yparjei epikoinwnia toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Arsenh;

REPPAS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos exei epikoinwnhsei apo xqes, Deytera, kai me ton k. Arsenh kai me ton k. Pagkalo kai me oloys ekeinoys, oi opoioi exoyn...

LIARELLHS: Syggnwmh poy sas diakoptw: Me ton k. Tzoganh exei epikoinwnhsei o k. Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Kai me ton k. Tzoganh eixe, exei kai qa exei epikoinwnies. Yparxei taktikh epikoinwnia kai synennohsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me oloys ekeinoys, poy gia kaqe qema einai entetalmenoi, wste na yparxei - qa moy epitrecete na pw - mia aproskopth leitoyrgia sta plaisia twn organwn ths Kybernhshs.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, hqela na rwthsw ean h Kybernhsh qewrei oti oi ajiwmatikoi ikanopoihqhkan apo opoies dhlwseis kanate eite eseis eite o k. Tsoxatzopoylos. Oi ajiwmatikoi ypebalan aithma ston k. Arsenh na toys timhsei kai o Prwqypoyrgos me thn ektimhsh toy. Qa ginei ayto;

REPPAS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos, den xreiazetai kata peristash na ekdhlwnei mia tetoia qesh giati monimws kai synexws tima kai periballei me thn empistosynh toy tis enoples dynameis. To gnwrizei h hgesia twn enoplwn dynamewn ayto. Kai den perimenei mia dhlwsh apo ton k. Shmith tetoia, wste na epibebaiwqei h empistosynh toy pros tis enoples dynameis. Einai dedomenh, einai safhs. Kai einai gnwsth sthn hgesia twn enoplwn dynamewn h agaph kai h empistosynh me thn opoia o Prwqypoyrgos periballei tis enoples dynameis.

PARIS: Pws einai gnwsth, kyrie Ekproswpe, otan o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Kybernhshs to amfisbhtei; Kai den einai proswpikes qeseis aytes poy ekfrazei o Ypoyrgos twn Ejwterikwn. To problhma kai to qema poy exei dhmioyrghqei einai meizon. O Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, ayth th stigmh, amesa kai kaqara amfisbhtei thn ajiopistia twn enoplwn dynamewn.

REPPAS: Meta to logidrio sas, qelete na kanete thn erwthsh sas;

PARIS: H erwthsh moy einai h ejhs: Qa parameinei o k. Pagkalos Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin s'ayto.

PARIS: O k. Arsenhs qa parameinei Ypoyrgos Amynas;

REPPAS: O k. Arsenhs einai Ypoyrgos Amynas. Einai Ypoyrgos Amynas ths Kybernhshs. Kaqenas askei ta kaqhkonta toy sto Ypoyrgeio toy kai ta askei me qetiko tropo: O men ta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs xeirizetai, o de ta qemata eqnikhs amynas.

KOGIANNHS: Eipate - an katalaba kala - oti o Prwqypoyrgos epikoinwnhse kai xqes me ton k. Tzoganh.

REPPAS: Epikoinwnhse polles fores me ton k. Tzoganh. Kai qa epikoinwnei me ton k. Tzoganh o Prwqypoyrgos.

KOGIANNHS: Xqes, sygkekrimena, epikoinwnhse; Kai an epikoinwnhse, syzhthqhke to zhthma poy proekyce;

REPPAS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos den jerw an epikoinwnhse xqes h an epikoinwnhse shmera. Gnwrizw omws oti eixe aytes tis hmeres epikoinwnia me ton k. Tzoganh. Kai bebaiws h epikoinwnia ayth - epanalambanw kai pali - den einai kati to ektakto, kati to jexwristo. Yparxei taktikotath epikoinwnia, opoy bebaiws einai aytonohto pws to sygkekrimeno qema, oi qeseis tis opoies ejefrase o k. Prwqypoyrgos, htan oi qeseis poy panta exei diatypwsei o k. Prwqypoyrgos se analoges epikoinwnies: Oti sebetai, oti tima kai oti periballei me thn empistosynh toy kai thn agaph toy tis enoples dynameis.

LIARELLHS: Me prwtoboylia toy Prwqypoyrgoy egine to thlefwnhma ston k. Tzoganh h o k. Tzoganhs epikoinwnhse o idios me ton Prwqypoyrgo;

REPPAS: Ayth th leptomereia mporoyme na th maqoyme. Alla nomizw otan yparxoyn qemata, h epikoinwnia ayth einai syxnh, ginetai ayth h epikoinwnia. Den einai kati kainoyrgio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Opote yphrje qema.

REPPAS: Otan yparxoyn qemata ta opoia epiballoyn thn epikoinwnia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me thn hgesia twn enoplwn dynamewn. Kai ayth einai h taktikh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gi'ayto lew.

REPPAS: Otan leme "qemata", kyrie Stamatopoyle, den ennooyme "krish", den ennooyme kapoio problhma. Eipa "qemata". Den eipa "problhma". Ta qemata ta opoia apasxoloyn tis enoples dynameis kai tygxanoyn toy endiaferontos toy Prwqypoyrgoy, einai polla.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ta qemata apo ta problhmata bgainoyn.

REPPAS: Loipon, ta qemata einai kati to poly eyrytero. Mesa sta qemata, kapoia ap'ayta synistoyn problhma, einai problhmata. Alla den einai ola ta qemata problhmata. Ta problhmata ek twn pragmatwn einai qemata.

KANAS: Exei programmatisqei koinh synanthsh toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy me toys kyrioys Arsenh kai Pagkalo;

REPPAS: H synanthsh ayth qa ginei thn Paraskeyh (24.5.96) to prwi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Wra;

REPPAS: Stis 11.30 to prwi. Alla s'ayta eimai ligo sygkrathmenos, kyrie Stamatopoyle, giati an ginei stis 11.00 to prwi h stis 12.00 to meshmeri, qa me rwthsete giati allaje h wra (!). Kai prepei na apologhqw meta, giati allaje h wra!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa janarwthsoyme ayrio!

KWNSTANTHS: Den problhmatizei, kyrie Ypoyrge, thn Kybernhsh oti sympasa h Antipoliteysh, alla kai boyleytes toy PASOK zhtoyn thn paraithsh toy k. Pagkaloy;

REPPAS: To oti h Antipoliteysh zhta thn paraithsh toy k. Pagkaloy, mporei na epidexqei diplh ermhneia. Mporei na ermhneyqei oti o k. Pagkalos exei mia stash kai akoloyqei mia politikh h opoia blaptei pragmatika ta eqnika symferonta h - an qelete - dhmioyrgei problhma sto kyros twn enoplwn dynamewn, alla mporei na ermhneyqei kai alliws: oti einai apotelesmatikos sthn politikh toy o k. Pagkalos kai ayto akribws meiwnei thn embeleia kai thn epirroh twn kommatwn ths Antipoliteyshs. Kai logiko einai na enoxloyntai ta kommata ths Antipoliteyshs. Ayto, omws, poy exei shmasia einai akribws h idia h Kybernhsh na exei ryqmoys kai tropoys synergasias tetoioys, wste na apodidei qetika apotelesmata kai na antimetwpizei lysitelws ta problhmata poy apasxoloyn thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Ayto exei shmasia. Ola ta alla ta opoia apoteloyn stoixeia sto plaisio mias antidikias kommatikoy xarakthra, nomizw oti exoyn mikrh shmasia, den endiaferoyn ton ellhniko lao. Kai ayto, as to exoyn oloi oi politikoi kai ola ta kommata ypoch toys. Prepei na ergazomaste gia ta pragmatika problhmata.

PAYLOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pisteyete oti oi dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy symballoyn sthn eyryqmh leitoyrgia ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: H symmetoxh toy k. Pagkaloy sthn idia Kybernhsh me alloys Ypoyrgoys, shmainei oti o k. Pagkalos exei enan tropo synergasias kai synennohshs me toys alloys Ypoyrgoys. Asfalws yparxoyn pantote periqwria beltiwshs se opoiodhpote organo, se opoiodhpote epipedo. Kai th beltiwsh prepei oloi na thn epidiwkoyme. Nomizw oti anagnwrizete pws se polloys tomeis yparxoyn pantote periqwria gia kati kalytero, ap'ayto poy hdh exoyme katakthsei.

MOYRTZHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pisteyete kai eseis oti prepei na dialejei o k. Papoytshs ean qa einai arxhgos eswterikhs frajias me arxhgikes filodojies h epitropos; Pisteyete epishs an o k. Benizelos qa htan protimotero na anaqewrei kapoies dhlwseis toy apo to na anaqewrei h na aposyrei nomosxedia anefarmosta; Einai dhlwseis "gkaranti" twn kyklwn toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, poy me th meqodo toy "royleman" efqasan xqes se oloys toys dhmosiografoys.

REPPAS: Kai prepei na sxoliasw egw tis dhlwseis poy kanoyn oi "kykloi"; Prwta ap' ola, ej oswn gnwrizw, oi "kykloi" den omiloyn. Oi "kykloi", en pash periptwsei, oi opoioi yparxoyn kai droyn, nomizw oti den prepei na exoyn to baros kai thn ajiopistia poy exei o ypeyqynos kai epwnymos logos. Ton logo, ton ypeyqyno kai ton epwnymo, ton krinoyme, otan ayto einai antikeimeno, to opoio prepei na mas apasxolhsei. Ton logo ton epwnymo ton afhnoyme sthn kritikh toy idioy toy ellhnikoy laoy, otan den einai dikh mas armodiothta na ton sxoliasoyme.

KOYIN: Epeidh eipate oti h Kybernhsh qewrei apotelesmatiko ton k. Pagkalo, symmerizetai en merei thn kritikh poy askhse o YPEJ sthn hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas;

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos paramenei Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn kai askei ta kaqhkonta toy ws Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, kata tropo tetoio wste na krinetai h paramonh toy sthn Kybernhsh dedomenh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate prohgoymenws oti mono h Antipoliteysh zhtaei thn paraithsh toy k. Pagkaloy. Kai omws boyleytes toy PASOK xarakthrisan xqes ton k. Pagkalo "eqnika epikindyno" kai "karagkiozopaixth". Den einai monon h Antipoliteysh poy zhta thn paraithsh toy k. Pagkaloy, alla kai boyleytes toy kybernwntos kommatos poy zhtoyn thn paraithsh toy k. Pagkaloy.

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, anaferate thn kritikh, toys xarakthrismoys poy ekanan politikoi toy PASOK, gia kapoia sygkekrimenh qesh toy k. Pagkaloy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Boyleytes poy sthrizoyn thn Kybernhsh.

REPPAS: Oi opoioi zhthsan thn paraithsh toy k. Pagkaloy;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi opoioi ton qewroyn "eqnika epikindyno".

REPPAS: Eidate loipon; Akoyste, kyrie Stamatopoyle: Thn eyqynh gia to sxhmatismo ths Kybernhshs thn exei o Prwqypoyrgos. Kai o Prwqypoyrgos kanei o,ti prepei na kanei, wste h Kybernhsh ayth na antapokriqei sta kaqhkonta ths.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eseis milhsate me ton k. Pagkalo; Kai rwtaw ayto dioti symfwna me ta osa eipan stelexh toy PASOK, kathgorhqhkate oti ton kalycate...

REPPAS: Oi dhlwseis oi opoies eginan edw, kata th xqesinh syzhthsh mas, einai gnwstes se oloys. O tropos me ton opoio kapoios diamorfwnei gnwmh gia thn edw pragmatikothta, mporei na ejartatai se megalo baqmo apo to radiofwniko staqmo poy akoyei h apo to thleoptiko kanali poy parakoloyqei h apo thn efhmerida poy diabazei. Kai moy kanei entypwsh - briskw thn eykairia na epishmanw - oti se diaforetika mesa, to idio gegonos apodidetai me diaforetikes ermhneies, me diaforetikoys tropoys. Ayto dhmioyrgei kati kainoyrgio. Ayto panta ginetai, yparxoyn aytes oi diaforetikes apoxrwseis. Qa hqela osoi epiqymoyn na exoyn mia oloklhrwmenh gnwsh prokeimenoy na askhsoyn kritikh gia to dialogo poy ginetai edw, na parakoloyqoyn ta praktika ths syzhthshs kai na bgazoyn to symperasma toys apo ta praktika ths syzhthshs. Ep'aytoy toy keimenoy mporw na syzhthsw mazi toys. Alla, bebaiws, den mporw na syzhthsw mazi toys gia th gnwmh thn opoia sxhmatizoyn apo thn parembolh tritwn - meswn enhmerwshs en prokeimenw - poy toys enhmerwnoyn gia to ti syzhthsame edw. Qa hqela na exoyn mia ap'eyqeias antlhsh twn plhroforiwn toys apo ta praktika ths synedriashs h ths syzhthshs poy kanoyme kaqe mera edw.

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qelw mia eyqeia apanthsh sto erwthma an oi kaq' oiondhpote tropo dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy, eite aytes aforoyn ta eswkommatika peri "karagkiozhdwn" kai oi apanthseis peri "karagkiozopaiktwn" eite to qema poy exei dhmioyrghqei me tis Enoples Dynameis, apasxoloyn kata ti Kybernhsh h gennoyn qema gia thn Kybernhsh.

REPPAS: Kyrie Zerbonikolakh, h Kybernhsh den asxoleitai me tis apoceis poy ekfrazoyn ta stelexh me thn kommatikh toys idiothta, en ocei toy Synedrioy toy Kinhmatos mas. Apo thn allh h Kybernhsh qewrei oti oi apoceis oi opoies ekfrazontai sta plaisia twn kybernhtikwn organwn h apoceis poy ekfrazontai memonwmenws apo stelexh ths Kybernhshs gia diafora qemata krinontai otan tiqentai sta kybernhtika organa, opoy lambanontai kai oi telikes apofaseis. Bebaiws, otan yparxei mia kritikh h opoia askeitai, ayto den einai kati eyxaristo. Mhn perimenete na sas pw oti ikanopoioymeqa kiolas. Kaqe allo. Alla, apo thn allh pleyra, bebaiws, den qewroyme oti h diogkwsh pollwn pragmatwn einai o kalyteros tropos, prokeimenoy na askhqei kritikh sthn Kybernhsh.

PARIS: Apo th diogkwsh mexri na mas lete synexeia oti den tiqetai kanena qema einai megalh h apostash...

REPPAS: Kyrie Paris, qelete na qesete mia sygkekrimenh erwthsh;

PARIS: Mia parathrhsh ekana kalopista.

REPPAS: Na qesete mia sygkekrimenh erwthsh. Qa sas pw giati. Giati otan syzhtoyme edw - epanalambanw kai pali - den xreiazetai na epixeirhsoyme na metabaloyme to press room se pedio antiparaqeshs, prokeimenoy na yparxoyn kapoioi "nikhtes" kai kapoioi "htthmenoi". Edw xreiazetai eseis na exete mia pio kaqarh eikona gia to poia einai h kateyqynsh, o ajonas panw ston opoio kineitai h Kybernhsh kai egw na sas dwsw ta stoixeia ta opoia exw ypoch moy, prokeimenoy kai eseis na exete ayth thn kata to dynaton safesterh eikona. Nomizw omws oti epimeiname para poly se ena qema, to opoio bebaiws - kai edw yparxei diogkwsh k. Paris - einai ena qema to opoio endiaferei ton politiko kosmo afoy gi' ayto to qema exoyn ginei dhlwseis, alla den einai to megalo problhma gia th xwra. Gia ta megala problhmata prepei na syzhtoyme kai perissotero na asxoloymeqa me ayta.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: O k. Kissingker exei pei oti me dyo tropoys xanei mia xwra ena polemo: Prwton, otan exei kanei laqos sxediasmo kai deyteron an allh politikh strathgikh askei to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn apo to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas...

REPPAS: Yparxei enas tritos tropos, qa proseqeta egw. An sth xwra ayth den asxoloyntai me ta pragmatika toys problhmata kai "ampelofilosofoyn". Aytos einai o tritos tropos poy einai kai o pio epikindynos.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Poioi;

REPPAS: O laos, oi politikoi, oi pantes. Na sxoliasw th qesh toy k. Kissingker; Mono an desmeyqeite oti qa rwthsete ton k. Kissingker na sxoliasei th qesh poy ejefrasa egw (thn 3h dhladh)!! Sas parakalw poly.

MOYRTZHS: Protiqetai o Prwqypoyrgos na qesei to qema poy exei prokycei me ton k. Pagkalo sto prosexes Ypoyrgiko Symboylio;

REPPAS: Nomizw oti sth synanthsh poy qa yparjei thn Paraskeyh, ek twn pragmatwn, qa syzhthqei kai ayto to qema. Allwste, o k. Arsenhs einai ektos Aqhnas, o k. Pagkalos einai ektos Ellados. Thn Paraskeyh qa einai edw kai qa synanthqoyn me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Einai aytonohto oti qa syzhthsoyn kai ayto to qema. Oriste, k. Mpermperakh. Na syzhthsoyme gia to NATO loipon!

MPERMPERAKHS: Nai. Katopin dhlwsewn toy o k. Solana apeklhqh "Pontios Pilatos", o de Organismos ston opoio einai Genikos Grammateas "Leonteios Etaireia". Poio einai to sxolio ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: H Ellada symmetexei sto NATO me dikh ths epilogh kai paramenei melos toy NATO. Qelei bebaiws na askei ta dikaiwmata ths sto plaisio ayths ths Symmaxias kai qewrei pws h symmetoxh se tetoioy eidoys Dieqneis Organismoys exei ajia otan oi Organismoi aytoi paizoyn ena qetiko rolo sthn proagwgh twn sxesewn twn kratwn - melwn, sth diasfalish ths dieqnoys ennomhs tajhs, pragma to opoio mporei na ginei me to sebasmo sto Dieqnes Dikaio kai tis Dieqneis Symfwnies kai Synqhkes. Alla ayto, bebaiws, einai kati poy krinetai sthn prajh kai synexws.

POYLIDOY: Kai den ginetai en prokeimenw;

REPPAS: Einai ana pasa stigmh zhtoymeno ka Poylidoy. Gnwrizete para poly kala, eseis idiaiterws, oti sth dieqnh koinwnia kai stoys dieqneis Organismoys, oi sxeseis oi opoies anaptyssontai einai sxeseis synexwn diapragmateysewn, diekdikhsewn, epidiwjewn. Den yparxei mia pagiwsh kaqestwtos h opoia prepei na qewrhsoyme oti mas ikanopoiei kai den epidexetai opoiadhpote allagh pros to kalytero. H prospaqeia pros to kalytero einai synexhs kai adialeipth. Prepei na einai.

POYLIDOY: Twra talaipwroyme ton k. Mpermperakh... Sthn ellhno-toyrkikh krish, to NATO kata thn krish ths Kybernhshs, leitoyrghse pros thn kateyqynsh aposobhshs twn dienejewn, nai h oxi;

REPPAS: Emeis pisteyoyme oti to NATO prepei na exei ena poly pio apotelesmatiko tropo na antimetwpizei fainomena tetoia, ta opoia fainomena den exoyn na kanoyn mono me thn epiboylh enos kratoys sta edafh alloy kratoys, alla bebaiws exoyn na kanoyn kai me thn parabiash toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy, twn Dieqnwn Synqhkwn kai Symfwniwn. To NATO den mporei na einai ametoxo, adiaforo se tetoioys eidoys fainomena.

MPERMPERAKHS: Sth synanthsh toy k. Shmith me ton k. Solana, o Grammateas toy NATO ejefrase boylhsh gia mesolabhsh metajy Aqhnwn - Agkyras;

REPPAS: O k. Solana, gnwrizete poly kala, ws Grammateas toy NATO, ek twn pragmatwn exei ena rolo na synergazetai kai me tis dyo xwres kai me tis hgesies twn dyo kratwn. Apo ekei kai pera, h stash ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs, sas einai gnwsth. H politikh thn opoia exoyme epilejei kai qewroyme orqh, sas einai epishs gnwsth kai einai safhs. Den epidiwkoyme thn mesolabhsh opoioydhpote alloy dieqnoys paragonta, genikws kai aoristws. Epidiwkoyme to sebasmo olwn se kapoioys kanones gia toys opoioys kat' epanalhch exoyme milhsei. Opoios sth bash toy sebasmoy aytwn twn kanonwn qewrei oti exei symmetoxh, apo mas h symmetoxh ayth einai kalodexoymenh, sth sygkekrimenh ayth bash.

SOYGLERHS: Qelw na rwthsw an o k. Kaklamanhs, o Proedros ths Boylhs, eixe adiko poy eipe oti h Symmaxia einai mallon "Leonteios Etaireia";

REPPAS: Den sxoliazw tis dhlwseis toy Proedroy ths Boylhs.

SOYGLERHS: Oxi, gia ton k. Kaklamanh an exei adiko...

REPPAS: Eipa kai pali oti den sxoliazw tis dhlwseis toy Proedroy ths Boylhs. Alla, eipa kai pali oti, prwton, h qesh ths Ellados einai qesh h opoia enarmonizetai, eyqygrammizetai me to sebasmo kapoiwn kanonwn sth dieqnh koinwnia. Kai aytoys toys kanones prepei na toys sebontai kai oi Dieqneis Organismoi, oxi mono oi xwres, alla kai oi Dieqneis Organismoi stoys opoioys symmetexoyn oi xwres. Alliws den qa exei nohma kapoies xwres h kapoioi Organismoi na dhlwnoyn frastikws oti exoyn kapoies arxes, na diatypwnoyn sto katastatiko toys kapoies qeseis kai sthn prajh na mhn antapokrinetai h drasthriothta toys se ayta ta opoia frastikws diatypwnoyn.

KOYIN: Xqes o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas ths Albanias zhthse apo ton k. Arsenh ean mporei na diamesolabhsei h Ellada me th Gioygkoslabia, sto qema toy Kossyfopedioy. Yparxei mia tetoia proqesh h an exei zhthqei epishma h mono exei ginei ston k. Arsenh h protash;

REPPAS: Exoyn ginei kapoies syzhthseis gia qemata dimeroys endiaferontos sta plaisia aytwn twn synanthsewn. Alla, bebaiws, h politikh ths Elladas einai mia politikh h opoia staqera prowqei thn asfaleia sthn perioxh kai ena klima hremias, wste na anaptyxqei h synergasia metajy twn xwrwn kai twn lawn sta Balkania. Sthn kateyqynsh ayth emeis endiaferomaste na exoyme enan energo rolo, wste ta Balkania na ginoyn topos opoy qa yparxei synergasia kai filia metajy twn kratwn.

KOYIN: O k. Arsenhs enhmerwse ton k. Pagkalo gia thn protash toy Albanoy Ypoyrgoy;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti einai kai oi dyo ektos Aqhnas. Xqes egine ayth h synanthsh. Qa yparjei epikoinwnia tis epomenes hmeres kai bebaiws ta qemata ta opoia aptontai armodiothtwn twn dyo Ypoyrgeiwn syzhtoyntai apo koinoy apo toys dyo Ypoyrgoys.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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