BRIEFING 20-05-96

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 20.5.96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

MIXAL: Prokeitai na synanthqei o k. Prwqypoyrgos shmera stis 15.00 me toys kyrioys Pagkalo kai Arsenh;

REPPAS: Oxi, den qa ginei tetoia synanthsh.

SOYRMELIDHS: Yphrxe periptwsh na ginei ayth h synanthsh kai den egine; Eixe dhladh programmatisqei mia tetoia synanthsh kai anablhqhke h kaqoloy den yphrxe tetoia synanthsh;

REPPAS: Oxi, sto plaisio twn synergasiwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy, opws exw pei kat'epanalhch, ginontai synanthseis me Ypoyrgoys. Prokeitai na ginei tis epomenes hmeres.. Aplws, epeidh o k. Arsenhs qa brisketai ayrio sthn Kefalonia (opoy qa ekproswphsei thn Kybernhsh sthn epeteio ths enswmatwsews twn Ioniwn Nhswn sthn Ellada) kai o k. Pagkalos qa anaxwrhsei gia to Parisi (prokeimenoy na ekproswphsei th xwra mas sth Synodo toy OOSA, epomenws qa leipoyn kai oi dyo tis epomenes hmeres) kai epeidh prepei na ginei kapoia synanthsh h opoia exei na kanei me thn Grammateia toy KYSEA (ayto einai to antikeimeno ths syzhthshs, einai kati poy syzhteitai sta plaisia ths Kybernhshs) yphrxe kat'arxhn mia skech ayth h synanthsh na pragmatopoihqei shmera, alla telikws den qa ginei, dioti to programma einai arketa bebarhmeno. Paramenei, loipon, ayth h synanthsh na ginei tis epomenes hmeres.

PARIS: Ti synebh shmera sthn Earinh Synodo toy NATO; Apexwrhse o Toyrkos ekproswpos; Yphrje kapoio problhma;

REPPAS: Den exw na kanw kapoio sxolio gia thn Earinh Synodo ths Boreioatlantikhs Syneleyshs. Prokeitai gia mia eswterikh diadikasia ths Symmaxias. Ayto poy gnwrizw einai oti h toyrkikh antiproswpeia apexwrhse otan arxise na omilei o Proedros ths Boylhs twn Ellhnwn k. Apostolos Kaklamanhs kai epestrece otan elabe to logo o Genikos Grammateas toy NATO k. Jabie Solana. Ayto einai kati to opoio - qa moy epitrecete na pw - apokalyptei tis diaqeseis h tis proqeseis tis opoies exei h toyrkikh pleyra. Kai epeidh tetoioy eidoys symperifores den mas briskoyn symfwnoys, htan mia akomch - gia na meinw s'ayton ton hpio xarakthrismo - antidrash ths toyrkikhs antiproswpeias. Einai to elaxisto poy mporw na pw.

MOYRTZHS: Epi ths oysias, exete na sxoliasete th synenteyjh toy k. Pagkaloy sthn KYRIAKATIKH ELEYQEROTYPIA kaqws kai tis xqesines dhlwseis toy sth Qessalonikh gia "stalinismo karagkiozhdwn" kai oti xreiazomaste "rampo strathgoys anti gia grafeiokrates";

REPPAS: Kyrie Moyrtzh, oi apoceis oi opoies anaptyssontai apo stelexh en ocei toy Synedrioy toy PASOK kai aforoyn qemata kommatika, einai apoceis oi opoies den mporoyn na tyxoyn sxoliasmoy s'ayth thn aiqoysa.

MOYRTZHS: Otan o k. Pagkalos anaferetai sth stratiwtikh hgesia, den anaferetai sta kommatika. Otan leei oti emeis xreiazomaste...

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos, sth synenteyjh poy edwse, ekqetei tis apoceis toy gia diafora qemata. Einai dikaiwma toy k. Pagkaloy na leei tis apoceis toy.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: H Kybernhsh symmerizetai thn apoch toy k. Pagkaloy oti h braxonhsida Imia (h mia ek twn dyo) xaqhke apo thn anikanothta ths stratiwtikhs hgesias;

REPPAS: Ta gegonota, ta symbanta ekeinhs ths periodoy einai se oloys gnwsta. O k. Pagkalos - kai s'ayto prepei na meinoyme - eipe pws oi xeirismoi ths Kybernhshs hsan epityxeis kai telikws apokroysqhke apotelesmatika h epidiwjh na odhghqei h Ellada sto trapezi twn diapragmateysewn gia mia ef' olhs ths ylhs syzhthsh me thn Toyrkia. Ayto einai poy prepei na meinei apo thn xqesinh - prwinh omilia toy k. Pagkaloy. O k. Pagkalos, milwntas se kapoia ekdhlwsh, aneptyje tis apoceis toy.
-H qesh ths Kybernhshs einai qesh arxhs, einai gnwsth: Timoyme tis enoples dynameis, oi opoies apolambanoyn ths plhroys empistosynhs ths Kybernhshs, opws kai olos o ellhnikos laos agapa kai tima tis enoples dynameis. To ajiomaxo twn enoplwn dynamewn einai ena isxyro sthrigma gia thn ejwterikh politikh ths Kybernhshs kai ayto den prepei na mas diafeygei. Kai pantote oi enoples dynameis otan kaloyntai, prattoyn to kaqhkon toys.

KOGIANNHS: Qewrei h Kybernhsh - kai eseis ws Ypoyrgos Typoy, ws stelexos toy PASOK - oti yparxoyn "geloia karagkiozakia", "geloia anqrwpakia" mesa sto PASOK;

REPPAS: O kaqe poliths ekfrazei tis apoceis toy. Ta stelexh toy PASOK, en ocei toy Synedrioy, synhqizetai na ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys epi qematwn ths epikairothtas. Tis apoceis aytes, den einai dynaton na tis krinoyme. Kai den prepei.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos symfwnei h diafwnei me osa eipe o k. Pagkalos, dioti ektiqentai kai to strateyma, alla kai h politikh zwh toy topoy.

REPPAS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos omilei o idios gia qemata gia ta opoia qewrei oti prepei na ekferei thn proswpikh toy apoch h thn apoch toy ws Prwqypoyrgos.

BAREMENOS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti ta stelexh toy PASOK ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys epi qematwn ths epikairothtas. Sthn epikairothta einai kai oi "karagkiozhdes" toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Qemata epikairothtas einai ta qemata poy aforoyn to Synedrio. Kai sta plaisia toy prosynedriakoy dialogoy anaptyssontai diafores apoceis, oi opoies apoceis periexoyn kai kritikh gia alloys syntrofoys. Ayto den einai kati poy mporoyme na to krinoyme.

SOYGLERHS: Exei allajei kati, kyrie Ekproswpe, apo pleyras sxesewn toy k. Pagkaloy me ta hgetika stelexh toy PASOK; Giati oi ekfraseis poy akoysqhkan xqes dia stomatos toy k. Pagkaloy, hsan ekfraseis bareies pros kaqe kateyqynsh. Den ton eixame synhqisei etsi, dhladh na akoysoyme toso bareies koybentes sta eswkommatika.

REPPAS: Den allaje tipote. O k. Pagkalos einai kommatiko stelexos kai symmetexei opws ola ta stelexh ston prosynedriako dialogo, ekqetontas tis apoceis toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate oti "timoyme tis enoples dynameis". O k. Pagkalos, me ayta poy dhlwse, tis tima;

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos aneferqh se peristatika mias sygkekrimenhs xronikhs stigmhs kai stis eyqynes poy piqanws yparxoyn se ekeinh th xronikh stigmh. Epanalambanw kai pali: Ta gegonota sas einai gnwsta. Kai ayto poy telikws menei - to eipe allwste o k. Pagkalos - einai, ws apologismos telikos, oi epityxeis xeirismoi oi opoioi mas apemplejan apo thn krish af'enos kai af'eteroy apekroysan thn epidiwjh ths Toyrkias na odhghqoyme se ena ef' olhs ths ylhs dialogo me thn Toyrkia.

MARDAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Pagkalos den leei akribws ayto poy twra eseis lete, ws ermhneia. Sth frash poy xrhsimopoihse, eipe: "Telika oi Toyrkoi phran to ena apo ta nhsia". To efere dhladh ws tetelesmeno gegonos.

REPPAS: Kyrie Marda - epanalambanw kai pali - ta istorika symbanta, an qelete na ta anakalesoyme sth mnhmh mas, dikaiwnoyn ayto poy eipe o k. Pagkalos: Yphrje apobash twn Toyrkwn se mia nhsida, tote. Ayto den shmainei oti h katalhch ayth shmainei katoxh apo thn Toyrkia.

MARDAS: Mhpws ennooyse ta Imia h ennooyse kapoio allo nhsi;

REPPAS: An eseis exete kati yp'och sas, na qesete sygkekrimenh erwthsh. Egw pisteyw oti o k. Pagkalos anaferetai se ena istoriko gegonos to opoio gnwrizoyme oloi, den leei kati kainoyrgio. Ayto poy menei ws teliko symperasma - kai ayto prepei na epishmanoyme - einai oi epityxeis xeirismoi poy eginan.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh ta nhsia mas ta phrane;

REPPAS: Asfalws den ta phrane kai ayto einai gnwsto. To kaqestws stis braxonhsides einai sygkekrimeno, einai safes, einai dedomeno kai einai adiapragmateyto. Den to syzhtoyme. Gnwrizete para poly kala oti h qesh mas einai apofasistikh s'ayto to qema. Mhn to epanaferoyme.

KANAS: O k. Pagkalos eipe oti h katalhch ths braxonhsidas opws egine, martyrei anikanothta twn stratiwtikwn.

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos anaferqhke se mia istorikh stigmh, se ena sygkekrimeno symban. Nomizw oti h ejelijh twn gegonotwn ekeinhs ths periodoy, einai gnwsth se oloys mas. Kai epanalambanw kai pali, kyrie Kana, oti o k. Pagkalos - ayto einai poy anadeiknyetai telika - xarakthrizei epityxeis toys xeirismoys poy eginan en telei, gia na yparjei apemplokh apo thn krish poy dhmioyrghqhke tote.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ma, einai dynaton, kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Pagkalos na leei pws oi stratiwtikoi exoyn nootropia dhmosiwn ypallhlwn; Einai dynaton na legontai ayta ta pragmata;

REPPAS: Poia einai h erwthsh sas, kyrie Kwnstantinidh;

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ma, kyrie Ypoyrge...

REPPAS: Kyrie Kwnstantinidh, me ayto ton tropo den syzhtoyme, me ayton ton tropo antidikoyme.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: O k. Pagkalos eipe epishs oti den yparxei synergsia me ton k. Arsenh. H Kybernhsh ektima oti ontws den yparxei synergasia metajy twn Ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn kai Amynhs;

REPPAS: Yparxei synergasia metajy twn Ypoyrgwn kai gi'ayto oi Ypoyrgoi symmetexoyn sthn idia Kybernhsh, epeidh akribws mporoyn na synyparxoyn sthn idia Kybernhsh. Kai synyparxoyn epeidh synergazontai.

ELENOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: H Kybernhsh meleta allagh sth domh kai sth leitoyrgia twn enoplwn dynamewn;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh den exei parei opoiadhpote tetoia apofash.

ELENOPOYLOS: Sas rwthsa an meleta...

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh meleta ana pasa stigmh, dia toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy kai twn synergatwn toy, o,tidhpote afora th beltiwsh twn synqhkwn h toy epipedoy sto strateyma, opws ayto ginetai se oloys toys tomeis. Alla ayto den prepei eseis na to eklabete ws mia sygkekrimenh epilogh, gia na odhghqoyme ayrio - meqayrio se kapoies apofaseis. Meleth gia ola ta qemata yparxei, ana pasa stigmh apo ta kybernhtika organa, giati se oloys toys tomeis yparxei periqwrio beltiwsewn.

ELENOPOYLOS: Sto plaisio, loipon, ths meleths yparxei h ektimhsh sthn Kybernhsh oti h leitoyrgia twn enoplwn dynamewn kai h domh toys einai grafeiokratikh;

REPPAS: Kyrie Elenopoyle, den yparxei tipote allo aythn thn wra, to opoio na apotelei qesh ths Kybernhshs, wste na prepei na sas gnwstopoihqei h qesh ayth.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: O k. Pagkalos eipe oti gia na askhsei diplwmatia xreiazetai yperoplia ston aera kai sth qalassa. Einai ayto apoch ths Kybernhshs; Giati h yperoplia shmainei oti prepei na diateqoyn para polla xrhmata parapanw.

REPPAS: Epanalambanw th qesh thn opoia diatypwsa kai prin: oti to ajiomaxo twn Enoplwn Dynamewn einai ena isxyro sthrigma sthn askhsh ths eswterikhs mas politikhs. Ayth h qesh, nomizw, ta leei ola.

MOYRTZHS: O k. Pagkalos milhse apajiwtika gia ta melh ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs, toys xarakthrise stalinikoys karagkiozhdes kai eipe oti einai kratikodiaitoi. Loipon, to erwthma einai posa apo ayta ta melh ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs einai sto dhmosio tomea.

REPPAS: Rwthste to Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs kai qa labete apanthseis me analytika stoixeia, an sas endiaferei.

MOYRTZHS: Afora to dhmosio, afora to kratos.

REPPAS: Qa krinoyme emeis k. Moyrtzh oloys osoys apasxoloyntai sto dhmosio kai ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea; Den einai dynaton. Kai qa qesoyme periorismoys stis drasthriothtes tis politikes kai tis kommatikes poy anaptysoyn; Eseis qelete ena plhroforiako stoixeio. Giati den fantazomai na epiqymeite h na epidiwkete thn astynomeysh twn politikwn drasthriothtwn h kommatikwn entajewn poy exoyn oi ergazomenoi sto dhmosio.

MOYRTZHS: Erwtw aplws posa apo ta melh ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs ergazontai sto dhmosio;

REPPAS: Ayto einai qema, gia to opoio apanthsh analytikh k. Moyrtzh, qa parete apo ton Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs.

GARGALAKOS: Yparxei kleismeno ranteboy toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo; Kai poio to periexomeno aytoy toy ranteboy; Kai epishs, exei kleistei ranteboy toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Andrea Papandreoy;

REPPAS: Den exoyn programmatisqei oi synanthseis aytes alla einai synanthseis oi opoies qa ginoyn to epomeno diasthma.

KACAMPELHS: H Kybernhsh, o Prwqypoyrgos, exei thn aisqhsh, thn apoch oti odhgoymeqa se deytero gyro gia thn Prwqypoyrgia; Dioti, meta thn apofash poy elhfqh to Sabbato to brady, "den yparxei Prwqypoyrgos" - kai katalabainete pws to lew ayto, to lew metaforika kai se eisagwgika.

REPPAS: Oxi mono yparxei Prwqypoyrgos alla o Prwqypoyrgos exei isxyrotath sthrijh apo mia megalh koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia, twn boyleytwn poy diaqetei h Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK. O Prwqypoyrgos asxoleitai me thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn ths xwras kai ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. Qa kriqei apo to ergo to opoio, o idios kai h Kybernhsh toy qa dwsei ston ellhniko lao. Kai to 1997 qa kriqei - epityxws pisteyoyme -kai qa anadeixqei kai pali Prwqypoyrgos.

KACAMPELHS: Otan omws, ena melos ths Kybernhshs - dioti kai oi yfypoyrgoi, me thn eyreia ennoia einai Kybernhsh - diatypwnei thn apoch oti odhgoymaste se deytero gyro gia thn Prwqypoyrgia, shmainei oti den yparxei Prwqypoyrgos me mia dedomenh apofash...

REPPAS: O,tidhpote afora apofaseis tis opoies lambanoyn kommatika organa, prepei na gnwrizete k. Kacampelh, oti apotelei antikeimeno me to opoio ta kommatika organa ayta qa asxolhqoyn, qa laboyn tis telikes apofaseis kai oi apofaseis aytes qa ginoyn gnwstes. O Prwqypoyrgos exei thn entolh apo toys boyleytes toy PASOK na synexisei na askei ta prwqypoyrgika toy kaqhkonta kai exei thn sthrijh kai empistosynh toys wste to ergo ayto, me thn askhsh twn prwqypoyrgikwn kaqhkontwn, na antapokriqei me ton kalytero tropo stis prosdokies toy laoy mas.

KACAMPELHS: Sygnwmh, alla otan enas yfypoyrgos, ena melos ths Kybernhsews, leei kati poy einai poly sobaro, den afora to Komma, afora to an h xwra...

REPPAS: Den nomizw oti opoiodhpote melos ths Kybernhsews exei arei thn empistosynh toy pros ton Prwqypoyrgo, k. Kacampelh. O Prwqypoyrgos sthrizetai sto synolo twn boyleytwn toy PASOK. Den yparxei oyte enas o opoios na ejairei ton eayto toy apo th sthrijh thn opoia parexei h Koinoboyleytikh Omada ston Prwqypoyrgo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To '97 eipate, k. Ypoyrge, qa ginoyn ekloges;

REPPAS: Qa ginoyn to 1997. Qa ginoyn tote, k. Stamatopoyle.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa sas ferw ayto to xarti me ayta poy lete shmera kapoia allh mera. Den qa einai to '97.

REPPAS: Kalws. An eseis gnwrizete kati parapanw k. Stamatopoyle, epeidh eisqe poly kalos mellontologos, na mas apokalycete ta epixeirhmata sas. Egw exw isxyroys logoys kai epixeirhmata gia na sas peisw oti oi ekloges qa ginoyn sto telos ths qhteias ayths ths Boylhs, to 1997.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw, meta to "skor" toy Sabbatoy, to 78-32, tis blepw pio prin. Den milaw gia to xqesino. To xqesino einai allhs wras.

REPPAS: Tote, k. Stamatopoyle, afoy blepete to "skor" toy Sabbatoy h to xqesino, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti anti na blepete mprosta blepete pisw.

MIXAHL: Yparxei qema paraithshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy se periptwsh poy sto Synedrio den eklegei sthn anwtath kommatikh pyramida;

REPPAS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos askei ta kaqhkonta toy, qa ta askei me synepeia kai qetiko tropo, mexri teloys, mexri oloklhrwshs ths qhteias toy gia thn opoia exei thn empistosynh apo toys boyleytes toy Kinhmatos mas.
Eyxaristw poly.

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 20.5.1996

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Stis ekdhlwseis gia ton eortasmo ths 132hs epeteioy apo thn enswmatwsh twn Ioniwn Nhswn sthn Ellada, poy qa pragmatopoihqoyn ayrio (21.5.96) sth Zakynqo, ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn Kybernhsh qa ekproswphsei o Yfypoyrgos Gewrgias k. Apostolos Fwtiadhs.

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Stis eortastikes ekdhlwseis ths epeteioy gia th Maxh ths Krhths, poy qa pragmatopoihqoyn apo 24 - 27 Maioy 1996, stoys nomoys Xaniwn kai Reqymnoy, ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn Kybernhsh qa ekproswphsei o Yfypoyrgos PEXWDE k. Emmanoyhl Loykakhs.

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Stis eortastikes ekdhlwseis ths epeteioy gia th Maxh ths Krhths, poy qa pragmatopoihqoyn apo 24 - 27 Maioy 1996, stoys nomoys Lasiqioy kai Hrakleioy, ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn Kybernhsh qa ekproswphsei o Yfypoyrgos Anaptyjhs k. Foibos Iwannidhs.

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