BRIEFING 16-05-96

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 16.5.96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

* Stis 13:00, dhladh twra, jekina synergasia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me Ypoyrgoys me antikeimeno kai thn onomastikopoihsh twn metoxwn twn anwnymwn texnikwn etaireiwn. Sth syskech ayth qa pareyreqoyn o k. Papantwnioy, o k. Papadopoylos, h ka Papandreoy, o k. Laliwths, o k. Benizelos, o exwn thn timh na sas omilei kai oikonomikoi synergates toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qa lhfqoyn kai apofaseis h aplws qa syzhthqei to qema;

REPPAS: Ayto qa ejarthqei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Aposyretai to diatagma;

REPPAS: Qa ginei syzhthsh. Den einai dynaton na anakoinwsw mia apofash, xwris na yparjei synedriash sthn opoia qa lhfqei kapoia apofash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ma gi' ayto sas rwthsa.

REPPAS: Sas eipa hdh poio einai to antikeimeno ths syzhthshs.

* O Prwqypoyrgos, stis 14:30, qa dexqei thn Epitroph Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Gnwrizete oti ginetai mia prospaqeia, sygkroteitai hdh Epitroph gia th diekdikhsh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, twn prwtwn ths neas xilietias.

* Ayrio kai meqayrio yparxei h synedriash ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK, opws gnwrizete.

* Prepei na sas pw, akomh, oti th Deytera o Prwqypoyrgos qa labei meros kai qa milhsei sth Syneleysh toy Boreioatlantikoy Symfwnoy, h opoia ginetai sth Boyliagmenh. Qa labei to logo stis 9:30 to prwi. Qa synanthsei ton k. Solana. H wra den exei akomh kaqorisqei.

* Epishs, th Deytera erxetai sthn Ellada o k. Arafat. Stis 8:30 to apogeyma, qa episkefqei ton Prwqypoyrgo. Argotera, o Prwqypoyrgos qa paraqesei deipno pros timh toy.

* Prin arxisoyme th syzhthsh mas, qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw gia ena mikro epeisodio poy egine shmera, ena naytiko mili notiws ths Imias, stis 9:30 to prwi. Peripoliko toy Limenikoy Swmatos (me ariqmo 119) ektelwntas taktikh peripolia sthn perioxh twn nhsidwn, diapistwse oti toyrkikh aktaiwros eixe eiselqei sta ellhnika xwrika ydata. Gi' ayto, akribws, proebh se xeirismoys apomakrynshs, apwqhshs ths toyrkikhs aktofylakidos me stoixeia RG 56. Kata th diarkeia twn xeirismwn aytwn yphrje mikrh sygkroysh. Sygkroysh xwris zhmies, gi' ayto thn onomazw kai mikrh. H toyrkikh aktofylakida apomakrynqhke meta to peristatiko ayto sta toyrkika paralia. H de ellhnikh peripolos synexizei kanonika thn yphresia ths. Ws pistopoihsh anaferw to teleytaio gia to oti den yphrje blabh. Den prepei na exei dhmioyrghqei problhma.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Na rwthsw, poio shmeio toy toyrkikoy ploioy synekroysqh me poio shmeio toy ellhnikoy;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw ayth th leptomereia. Nomizw oti to plwraio tmhma toy ellhnikoy peripolikoy synekroysqh me to prymnaio toy toyrkikoy. Den eimai kathgorhmatikos, omws s' ayto, qa moy epitrecete. Einai mia leptomereia. Kalo einai na mhn eimaste kathgorhmatikoi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pyrobolismoi yphrjan;

REPPAS: Oxi. Aplws aneptyje taxythta to ellhniko ploio kai me taktikoys xeirismoys katorqwse na apomakrynei apo ta xwrika mas ydata thn toyrkikh aktofylakida.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: To aristero h to dejio ...;

REPPAS: Einai mia leptomereia poy den thn gnwrizw. Ean exei toso endiaferon, mporw na enhmerwqw kai na sas apanthsw argotera.

MARDAS: H kroyaziera twn dhmosiografwn qa ginei;

REPPAS: Einai mia perihghsh sto xwro toy Dwdekanhsiakoy symplegmatos, opws eipa kai xqes, alla eseis ke Marda apoysiazate, poy asfalws qa ginei. Epanalambanw kai pali: Einai dynaton sta xwrika mas ydata na mhn exoyme to dikaiwma na filojenhsoyme episkeptes mas apo tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs; Den to syzhtoyme ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, zhthsan Amerikanoi boyleytes na episkefqoyn thn Imia kai arnhqhke to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn;

REPPAS: To Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn den exei kanena logo na arnhqei se opoion brisketai sthn Ellada na kinhqei se diafora shmeia toy ellhnikoy xwroy.. H erwthsh thn opoia qetete prepei...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ta dhmosieymata to anaferoyn.

REPPAS: Sas lew oti to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, otan prokeitai na ginoyn episkeceis - to gnwrizete kai eseis - logiko einai na katartizei kapoio programma, basei toy opoioy ginontai aytes oi episkeceis. Alla, bebaiws, den yparxei kanenas periorismos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den zhthsan ke Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Ti na zhthsan;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Boyleytes na episkefqoyn thn Imia.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw. Den exw tetoio qema. Gnwrizw, omws, oti yparxoyn - sta plaisia twn synedriasewn poy kanei h Boreioatlantikh Symmaxia -episkeptes sthn Ellada oi opoioi qa episkefqoyn diafores perioxes ths xwras.

KARASABBA: Meta to epeisodio poy anaferate, qa yparjei kapoio diabhma;

REPPAS: Oi diplwmatikoi xeirismoi oi opoioi s' aytes tis periptwseis, einai epibeblhmenoi einai xeirismoi stoys opoioys qa probei to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, giati bebaiws yparxei parabiash toy eqnikoy xwroy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Tsilas den ekane kapoia eishghsh sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn; To jerete h den to jerete;

REPPAS: Ekane enhmerwsh o Ekproswpos toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn prin apo ligo. Den gnwrizw ayth th leptomereia. Eteqh ayto to qema; Edoqh apanthsh;

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Oxi.

REPPAS: Kalws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den doqhke apanthsh. Opote mporeite na mas apanthsete...

REPPAS: Mporei h apanthsh poy doqhke na mhn sas ikanopoiei. Einai allo ayto kai allo na lete oti "den doqhke apanthsh". Na ejhgoymeqa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, apo esas qelw egw thn apanthsh.

REPPAS: Parakalw. Qelete apo emena, me protimate, sas eyxaristw poly.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epishma apo thn Kybernhsh. Erwtw: Eteqh to qema apo ton k. Tsila, ton Presbeyth mas sthn Oyasigkton kai aporrifqhke apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw poies syzhthseis ginontai sto plaisio twn Yphresiwn enos Ypoyrgeioy. Ayto poy gnwrizw - kai eimai kathgorhmatikos, kai epanalambanw - einai oti sto plaisio twn episkecewn poy kanoyn jenoi ajiwmatoyxoi sthn Ellada, efoson ekdhlwsoyn endiaferon na episkefqoyn diafores perioxes, na metakinhqoyn dhladh apo thn Aqhna, katartizetai kapoio programma se symfwnia mazi toys. Kai ayto to programma akoloyqeitai. Ayto ginetai kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite otan lete "ayto ginetai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh";

REPPAS: Ayto ginetai - lew - kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Einai, metajy twn allwn, kai boyleytes, oi opoioi briskontai sthn Aqhna prokeimenoy na laboyn meros sth Boreioatlantikh Syneleysh, kai qa episkefqoyn kapoies perioxes

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai toys apagoreysate na pane.

REPPAS: Oydeis toys apagoreyse na pane opoydhpote. Einai dynaton;

STAMATOPOYLOS: To lete epishma ayto;

REPPAS: Bebaiws. Oti yparxei apagoreysh einai kati poy den to dexomai. Asfalws to lew epishma. Lew epishmws oti den yparxei apagoreysh.

KOYIN: Sxetika me ta ellhnotoyrkika: Yphrje shmera mia plhroforia oti qa janaegkatastaqei "h kokkinh grammh" Aqhnas - Agkyras. Pws to sxoliazete ayto; Alhqeyei;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na yparxei mia tetoia ejelijh. Ayto poy, me thn eykairia ths erwthshs sas prepei na pw, einai pws prepei kata th gnwmh mas na ginontai prospaqeies apo thn hgesia ths geitonikhs xwras, wste na yparjei klima hremias sthn perioxh. Na apofeygontai oi proklhtikes dhlwseis. H politikh reystothta sthn Toyrkia mporei na exei tetoioy eidoys parenergeies. Emeis, omws, den eimaste diateqeimenoi, se opoiadhpote proklhsh h epiqetikoth- ta, na parameinoyme apaqeis. Parakalw, loipon, na yparxei hremia sthn perioxh. Kai oi "kokkines grammes" bebaiws mporei na xreiazontai. Alla ayto gia to opoio prepei na ergazomaste einai na yparxei mia grammh epikoinwnias kai synennohshs tetoia, wste na kanei axrhsth h mh aparaithth opoiadhpote "kokkinh grammh".

SOYRMELH: Qelw na sas rwthsw kati, giati den to katalaba: Kai ta dyo karabia anhkoyn stis aktofylakes;

REPPAS: Nai. Einai toy Limenikoy Swmatos to ellhniko, gia to opoio milw. Alla kai to toyrkiko einai aktofylakida, aktaiwros.

FILHS: O Proedros toy Synaspismoy k. Kwnstantopoylos exei steilei mia epistolh ston k. Prwqypoyrgo kai stoys Arxhgoys twn kommatwn kai kalei thn Kybernhsh na analabei prwtoboylia diakommatikhs synanthshs, wste entos toy mhnos na prowqhqei sth Boylh o neos nomos gia th diafaneia. Me dedomena ta problhmata ta opoia exoyn dhmioyrghqei ston tomea twn dhmosiwn promhqeiwn, yparxei kapoia apanthsh;

REPPAS: H apanthsh ths Kybernhshs einai oti to qema twn promhqeiwn toy dhmosioy einai ena shmantiko qema. Exoyn ginei prospaqeies, kata kairoys, yparxei qesmiko plaisio. Bebaiws, xreiazetai na epanejetasqei giati ta panta epidexontai beltiwsh kai eksygxronismo. H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh pros ayth thn kateyqynsh ergazetai: Sto na enisxyqei to oplostasio to opoio prepei na diepei tis sxeseis toy Kratoys me toys promhqeytes toy, se diaforoys tomeis.

FILHS: Aporriptei thn protash gia diakommatikh synanthsh;

REPPAS: Den aporriptei kammia protash. H Kybernhsh, sas lew, ergazetai se mia sygkekrimenh kateyqynsh. Kai jerete, otan kapoia qemata apoktoyn mia ojeia morfh se mia periodo, synhqizetai na diatypwnontai eykairiakws - as moy epitrapei na pw - kapoies protaseis. Kai h politikh ayth h opoia exei mia probolh, payei na einai h kyriarxh politikh enos kommatos h enos politikoy, otan ta sygkekrimena qemata poy prokyptoyn kai ayta ypoxwroyn ws problhmata. Nomizw oti ayto poy prepei na kanoyme, einai na ergasqoyme se baqos xronoy, wste pera apo tis prospaqeies entypwsiasmoy, na katastalajoyme se politikes epiloges tetoies, oi opoies qa ejasfalizoyn qesmiko plaisio isxyro kai diafano, wste na mhn yparxoyn opoiadhpote erwthmatika kai skies gia tis sxeseis twn promhqeytwn me to dhmosio.

FILHS: Pote problepei h Kybernhsh, dedomenoy oti syzhthqhke to qema sto prohgoymeno...

REPPAS: Asxoleitai m'ayto to qema h Kybernhsh kai qa parei tis apofaseis ths.

FILHS: Yparxei xronikos orizontas; Gia na doyme an yparxei entypwsiasmos...

REPPAS: Epeidh akribws den qeloyme na yparxei entypwsiasmos apo thn pleyra ths Kybernhshs, den orizoyme sygkekrimeno xroniko orizonta. Ergazomaste s'ayth thn kateyqynsh.

FILHS: Ara;

REPPAS: Ara, ayto apodeiknyei oti ergazomaste me epimeleia kai systhmatikothta, apofeygontas na kanoyme anakoinwseis kai ejaggelies.

SKOYRHS: Apo tis programmatikes dhlwseis ths Kybernhshs Papandreoy yparxoyn tetoies yposxeseis.

REPPAS: Kai h Kybernhsh ergazetai s'ayth thn kateyqynsh. Qa mas krinete, kyrie Skoyrh, otan oloklhrwqei h qhteia ths Kybernhshs. Pistecte me, qa exoyme oloklhrwsei ena shmantiko ergo tote. Qa yparjei ejelijh syntoma.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Na gyrisoyme sto prohgoymeno qema. Den yparxei men apagoreysh, yparxei omws allagh toy programmatos tetoia, wste na ejyphretei dedomeno aithma twn Toyrkwn na mhn pane ...

REPPAS: Gia poioys omileite;

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Gia toys boyleytes.

REPPAS: Ma, den exei katartisqei kapoio programma, wste na miloyme gia allagh programma- tos. Ena programma katartizetai.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ayto to programma den exei allajei;

REPPAS: Den yparxei allagh, giati den yparxei programma to opoio allaje.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ayto to programma, pantws, den problepei episkech ekei.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw tis leptomereies toy programmatos. Alla nomizw oti den einai mystiko. Oi anqrwpoi epishmws qa episkefqoyn diafores perioxes ths Ellados. Den qa ginei ayto kata tropo mystiko kai kryfo.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Epishs na rwthsw: To polemiko ploio to opoio qa metaferei toys dhmosiografoys apo thn Kw, Serifo k.lp. thn Imia qa proseggisei sthn Imia;

REPPAS: Koitajte. Yparxei mia fregata ekei, thn opoia mporoyn na episkefqoyn oi dhmosiografoi. An qeloyn oi dhmosiografoi na kinhqoyn kai me th fregata, den exoyme antirrhsh. Alla, exoyme sth diaqesh mas toyristika ploia, kroyazieroploia ths perioxhs, ta opoia prosferontai, wste na xrhsimopoihqoyn gia thn perihghsh twn dhmosiografwn.

KACAMPELHS: Gia to qema ths onomastikopoihshs, yparxoyn neotera;

REPPAS: Otan lhjei h synedriash ayth, fantazomai, efoson yparjei apofash, h apofash ayth qa sas gnwstopoihqei.

KIAOS: Prwton, gia to prohgoymeno qema, ta ellhnotoyrkika: Den hmoyn apo thn arxh ths enhmerwshs kai qelw na rwthsw, an apanthsate sto ti skopeyete na kanete ws Kybernhsh sta metra poy apeilhse oti qa parei h Toyrkia, diamartyromenh gia thn jenaghsh twn dhmosiogra- fwn.

REPPAS: Ma, ekana ena sxolio. Qa moy epitrecete na epanalabw oti h politikh ayth ths Toyrkias, h epektatikh kai epiqetikh, den mas entypwsiazei. Den einai kati kainoyrgio. Alla, kai h Toyrkia qa prepei na anamenei apo thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh th syneth kai apofasistikh antidrash ths.

KIAOS: Gia ta metra anaferomai egw.

REPPAS: Poia metra phre h toyrkikh pleyra; Den exei labei kapoia metra. An parei kapoia metra, ta opoia qigoyn to eqniko symferon h parabiazoyn ton kyriarxiko mas xwro, asfalws qa yparjei antidrash. H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh den prokeitai na meinei apaqhs parathrhths opoiwdhpote prwtoboyliwn ths Toyrkias, efoson oi prwtoboylies aytes strefontai enantion twn eqnikwn mas symferontwn. Qa yparjei apanthsh kai amesh.

KIAOS: Ena deytero poy qelw na rwthsw: An katalaba kala, exei proqesh h Kybernhsh na tropopoihsei to nomoqetiko plaisio to opoio isxyei gyrw apo tis promhqeies;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh, eipa, asxoleitai me ayto to qema. Einai ena shmantiko qema.

KIAOS: Na to tropopoihsei sygkekrimena;

REPPAS: Yparxei nomos apo palaiotera. O nomos aytos xrhsimopoieitai se polles periptwseis. Epanalambanw kai pali: H Kybernhsh qa einai etoimh na dwsei sygkekrimenh kai oloklhrwmenh protash, afoy melethsei to olo qema kai labei tis apofaseis ths syntoma.

MOYRTHS: Exei anablhqei h episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Qessalonikh; Kai ti ginetai me thn episkech sthn Krhth;

REPPAS: Oxi. Yparxei sto sxediasmo toy Prwqypoyrgoy h episkech sthn Krhth. Den exoyme anakoinwsei epishmws programma. Ayth thn wra menoyme s'ayta ta opoia sas exoyme anakoinwsei.

MOYRTHS: Gia th Qessalonikh;

REPPAS: Polla sxediazontai ke Moyrth. Orismena apo ayta ginontai gnwsta, orismena den ginontai.

MOYRTHS: Htan na ginei twra.

REPPAS: Qa sas anakoinwqei.

MAYROS: Exei anakoinwqei gia Qessalonikh;

REPPAS: Ayth thn wra poy omiloyme den yparxei kati pros anakoinwsh.

MAYROS: Gia th Qessalonikh rwtaw...

REPPAS: Qa ginei kai sth Qessalonikh. Eseis exete eyaisqhsia gia ta Makedonika, ke Mayro. Proxqes rwtoysate gia ta erga sth Makedonia.

GKANAS: Sth synanthsh me ton k. Kotsaka prosdiorisqhke pote qa syzhthsoyn to programma gia to Aigaio;

REPPAS: H synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Kotsaka htan synanthsh poy aforoyse qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Aigaioy. Kai sygkekrimena, ta metra ta opoia prepei na lhfqoyn gia thn anaptyjh sto Aigaio.

MAYROS: Giati den egine xqes;

REPPAS: To Ypoyrgiko Symboylio qa ginei kai sthn prwth synedriash toy qa asxolhqei me ta qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Aigaioy.

MAYROS: Milaw gia th synanthsh Shmith - Kotsaka. Giati den egine xqes h synanthsh;

REPPAS: Egine shmera, epeidh anablhqhke gia argotera h synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Allaje o programmatismos.

MAYROS: Rwtaw giati den egine xqes;

REPPAS: Giati egine shmera kai den egine xqes; Kai prepei na apanthsoyme gi' ayto; Allazei o programmatismos. Giati ayto krinetai pio prosforo apo thn Kybernhsh. Moy kanei entypwsh, giati pragmatika to programma leitoyrgias otan anakoinwnetai kai efoson allajei, mporei na dinei trofh gia thn ejagwgh symperasmatwn, kai gia ena sxoliasmo, o opoios - qa moy epitrecete na pw - oti den prepei na yparxei. Giati den antapokrinetai o sxoliasmos aytos sto baros aytwn twn allagwn. Den exoyn kanena baros aytes oi allages, enw o sxoliasmos paroysiazetai ws na exei ena poly megalo politiko baros. Den qa prepei, omws.

KIAOS: Giati aneblhqh to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio;

REPPAS: To Ypoyrgiko Symboylio anablhqhke, epeidh thn wra ayth o Prwqypoyrgos qewrei pws exei proteraiothta na antimetwpisqei to sygkekrimeno qema gia to opoio ginetai h syskech. Den einai ayto mia apanthsh;

KIAOS: Entajei.

REPPAS: Eprepe na rwthsete gia na parete ayth thn apanthsh;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws qa to maqoyme;

REPPAS: Afoy jerate oti stis 13:00 qa ginotan ayth h synanthsh. Den thn krathsame mystikh.

KIAOS: An epitrepete, edw kai meres mas eixate anakoinwsei th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Xqes to epanalabate kai malista eipate oti qa synanthqoyn o Prwqypoyrgos kai o k. Kotsakas enwritera, wste na ginei plhresterh enhmerwsh sta melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

REPPAS: Apo xqes sas enhmerwsa, symplhrwnontas thn teleytaia paragrafo sto briefing oti qa yparjei ayth h anabolh kai shmera syzhtoyme. Ti einai ayto poy kanei entypwsh;

STAMATOPOYLOS: H anabolh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy den kanei entypwsh;

REPPAS: Epeidh synedriazei twra taktika sas kanei entypwsh pia. Otan den synedriazei, rwtate "giati den synedriazei".

STAMATOPOYLOS: O logos ths anabolhs mas problhmatizei.

REPPAS: Sas parakalw.

KIAOS: Den einai kalytera na maqainoyme apo esas...

REPPAS: O k. Stamatopoylos entypwsiazetai pia, giati exei mia tetoia tajh h Kybernhsh sth leitoyrgia ths, poy ton exei, fainetai, entypwsiasei kai ton idio. Mprabo!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Emena;

REPPAS: Kai otan h tajh ayth kapoy xalarwnei, fainetai oti problhmatizesqe, aporeite. Ayto einai kalo shmadi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den me entypwsiazei tipota emena.

REPPAS: Ayto einai gnwsto.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Mhpws shmera o k. Prwqypoyrgos ektos toy k. Kotsaka dexetai kai kommatika stelexh toy PASOK kai Koinotarxes;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na exei sto programma toy alles synanthseis. Exei synergasies me synergates, me epiteleis toy gia diafora qemata.

MARDAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pws ektima h Kybernhsh ta apotelesmata apo thn episkech toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias stis HPA;

REPPAS: Kyrie Marda, to tajidi - episkech toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias sthn Amerikh einai apolyta qetiko kai epityxhmeno. O k. Stefanopoylos einai eqnikos Presbeyths. Kai pisteyw oti me ton kalytero tropo h Ellada ekproswphqhke stis HPA aytes tis hmeres. Problhqhkan oi qeseis mas. Prepei na sas pw oti egw proswpikws, alla kai oloi osoi chfisame ton k. Stefanopoylo gia na anadeixqei sta ajiwma toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, noiwqoyme oso pernaei o kairos, kai kata kapoio tropo dikaiwmenoi gia thn epilogh mas ekeinh, gia thn chfo poy dwsame. Htan apolytws qetiko kai epityxhmeno to tajidi toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias stis HPA.

MARDAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Proedros eqese qema triwn fregatwn poy parhggeile stis HPA h Toyrkia. Kai eipe oti aytes oi treis fregates qa xrhsimopoihqoyn enantion mas. H Kybernhsh exei kanei kapoia diamartyria;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh einai logiko na parakoloyqei toys ejoplismoys poy kanei h geitonikh xwra. Alla toys ejoplismoys ths kaqe xwras einai dyskolo - opws katalabainete kai eseis - na toys apotrecei, opws epishs den mporei na toys apofasisei, h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai na ergasqoyme wste oi ejoplismoi aytoi na apodeixqei sthn prajh oti den xreiazontai. Oti yparxei filia kai synergasia kai oi ejoplismoi peritteyoyn.

MARDAS: Dhladh, qa to afhsei etsi h Kybernhsh; O Proedros to epishmainei. H Kybernhsh den prepei na ton sthrijei;

REPPAS: Ti qelete na maqete allo;

MARDAS: An qa ginei kapoia diamartyria, dioti edw parabiazetai kai mia analogia poy afora sthn isorropia dynamewn.

REPPAS: Na eisqe sigoyros oti otan prokeitai h analogia ayth - h opoia exei egkriqei apo ta nomoqetika swmata twn HPA - na anatrapei, emeis eimaste ws "fylakes aggeloi" twn eqnikwn mas symferontwn etoimoi na proaspisoyme kai th diathrhsh ayths ths isorropias kai ta eqnika mas symferonta. Mhn exete kammia anhsyxia peri aytoy.

MARDAS: Egw den anhsyxw.

REPPAS: Ekfrazete (anhsyxia), omws.

MARDAS: Gi'ayto eimai edw. O k. Stefanopoylos proxwrhse parapera kai eipe oti h Ellada einai desmeymenh sta plaisia toy NATO, na polemhsei yper ths Toyrkias, ean ths epiteqoyn to Iran, to Irak h h Syria. Yparxei tetoia desmeysh apo pleyras Kybernhsews;

REPPAS: Kanena sxolio den kanw gia tis dhlwseis toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Krinoyme oti to tajidi htan apolytws epityxes. H ejwterikh politikh ths Ellados, einai gnwsth politikh.

MARDAS: Ke Ypoyrge, mporei o Proedros ths Dhmokratias na desmeyei, oson afora th systrateysh ths Elladas se xwres filikes h mh;

REPPAS; Ayto to opoio, omws, emeis den mporoyme na kanoyme, einai na syzhtoyme sth bash senariwn kai ypoqesewn. Eyxomaste na mhn yparjei tetoios polemos. Ean qelete na ton prokalesete, gia na deite poia stash qa krathsei h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh, epixeirhste to.

MARDAS: Oxi. Egw basizomai sthn epishmh dhlwsh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias.

REPPAS: Kalws.

MARDAS: ...h opoia dhlwsh leei oti emeis qa polemhsoyme yper ths Toyrkias, otan ths epiteqei to Irak. Epeidh ayto exei teqei kai ston polemo toy Kolpoy.

REPPAS: H Ellada einai mia xwra, h opoia sebetai to Dieqnes Dikaio, sebetai tis symfwnies. Kai h stash ths einai tetoia poy prowqei thn eirhnh kai th filia. Den exoyme filopolemh ejwterikh politikh. Den prepei na milame gia polemo. Otan yparjoyn, ean yparjoyn polemoi, qa toys antimetwpisoyme.

MARDAS: O Proedros milhse kai katonomase xwres.

REPPAS: Egw omilw ej onomatos ths Kybernhshs.

MPERMPERAKHS: Ke Ypoyrge, molis plhroforhqhkame oti h Toyrkia, ws antimetra, qa organwsei mia paromoia kroyaziera enhmerwtikh, sthn idia perioxh. Pws sxoliazete to gegonos ayto;

REPPAS: Emeis epiqymoyme sthn Toyrkia na ginontai episkeceis. Na yparxei mia eisodos kai ekei politwn kai apo alles xwres. Giati blepoyme, ta teleytaia xronia, h eisodos politwn na ginetai apo thn Toyrkia pros thn Ellada kai oxi to antiqeto. Qeloyme, loipon, oi opoioi episkeptes endiaferontai na episkefqoyn sthn Toyrkia, na metaboyn, na apokomisoyn entypwseis prwtogenws apo tis synqhkes poy epikratoyn s'ekeinh th xwra. Kai na diapistwsoyn idiois ommasi, pws einai oi synqhkes ekei. Opws epishs na episkefqoyn thn Ellada, gia na diapistwsoyn pws einai oi synqhkes edw. To oti h Toyrkia ston eqniko ths xwro dexetai jenoys episkeptes, filojenei polites apo opoiadhpote allh xwra kai me opoiadhpote idiothta, einai diko ths dikaiwma. Alla, asfalws, to dikaiwma ayto ypokeitai - opws ola ta dikaiwmata - se kapoioys periorismoys. Stoys periorismoys ekeinoys, wste na mhn odhgoyn - antiqetws qa elega - sthn parabiash twn dikaiwmatwn twn allwn: ths Ellados en prokeimenw. Emeis, loipon, den exoyme na sxoliasoyme kapoia tetoia prwtoboylia, thn opoian analambanei h Toyrkia. Ayto poy exoyme na kanoyme einai, na akoloyqhsoyme th syneth kai apofasistikh politikh mas, h opoia einai h orqoterh politikh.

FILHS: Xqes, h enhmerwsh htan oti h kroyaziera twn proskeklhmenwn mas jenwn dhmosiogra- fwn qa ginei - gia oikonomikoys logoys, ap'o,ti elegeto - me fregata toy Polemikoy Naytikoy. Shmera, mas lete oti qa ginei me kroyazieroploia. Kai an qeloyn oi proskeklhmenoi na episkefqoyn kai thn parapleyrws fregata.

REPPAS: Poio einai to problhma;

FILHS: Poio apo ta dyo isxyei;

REPPAS: Isxyoyn kai ta dyo. Orismena qemata, parakalw na ta ajiologeite etsi opws tiqentai, xwris na qewreite pws kapoia skopimothta mas wqei, wste na ta paroysiazoyme etsi opws ta paroysiazoyme. Gia oikonomikoys logoys, pragmatika, skefqhkame sthn arxh, oti den einai eykolo na noikiasoyme kroyazieroploio. Otan to eipame ayto, kapoioi endiaferomenoi - kai einai polloi oi endiaferomenoi apo thn Kw - to diabasan ston Typo kai proseferan dwrean ta kroyazieroploia toys, wste na pragmatopoihqei ayth h perihghsh. Ayto einai to qema. Kai einai akribws etsi. Kai epishs, h fregata brisketai ekei, kai ean qeloyn na thn episkefqoyn, prokeimenoy na exoyn kai ayth thn empeiria, mporoyn na thn episkefqoyn.

KARAMPASHS: Pote akribws qa ginei ayto;

REPPAS: To erxomeno Sabbato, to prwi. Qa tajidecoyn apo thn Aqhna aeroporikws pros thn Kw. Apo ekei qa epibibasqoyn sto opoio ploio, prokeimenoy na perihghqoyn to Dwdekanhsiako symplegma.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos exei zhthsei synanthsh me ton k. Papandreoy;

REPPAS: Nomizw oti o k. Papandreoy exei parei prwtoboylia na kalesei ypo thn kommatikh toys idiothta stelexh na ton episkefqoyn kai na syzhthsoyn mazi toy. Qa ginei kai h synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Proedro toy Kinhmatos.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Pote;

REPPAS: Den exei orisqei hmera kai wra.

MARDAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mhpws epelegh to kroyazieroploio anti ths fregatas, dioti h paroysia ths fregatas dipla sta Imia, synista parabiash ths gnwsths symfwnias;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kammia symfwnia, h opoia na einai toso gnwsth se sas kai na thn agnooyme emeis. Giati h fregata mporei na pleei sta ellhnika xwrika ydata, se ekeinh thn perioxh, taytoxronws. Den yparxei kanena problhma. Mh syndyazete to ena me to allo.

MARDAS: Yparxei h symfwnia ths 29hs...

REPPAS: Asfalws.

MARDAS: Loipon, h symfwnia problepei mh paroysia megalwn polemikwn ploiwn; Giati m'ayto to dedomeno syzhtoysame prin.

REPPAS: Polemika ploia, ek twn pragmatwn, gnwrizete oti paroysiazontai. Den yparxei kammia symfwnia, h opoia na ypagoreyei sthn Ellada periorismoys dikaiwmatwn tetoioys poy na odhgoyn sto na mhn epitrepei se ploia ths na kinoyntai h na pleoyn se ekeinh thn perioxh, entos twn ellhnikwn xwrikwn ydatwn.

MARDAS: To idio isxyei kai gia stratiwtikes dynameis epanw sta Imia;

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei gi'ayta ta qemata, para polles fores. To oti ta epanaferete, nomizw oti...

MARDAS: H pragmatikothta ta epanaferei.

REPPAS:... to kanete, oxi gia na exete kapoio oloklhrwmeno symperasma h na exete kapoia eidhsh. To kanete, profanws, gia na dhmioyrghsete problhma. Alla to problhma...

MARDAS: To prwi yphrje to problhma. Egw to dhmioyrghsa;

REPPAS:... dhmioyrgeitai sth logikh. Thn opoia di'aytoy toy tropoy - qa moy epitrecete na pw - oti thn prokaleite.

MARDAS: Ti qa pei ayto;

REPPAS: Ma, kyrie Marda, to kaqestws einai safes. Einai dedomeno. Einai sygkekrimeno kai jekaqarismeno.

MARDAS: Na anakalesete ayto poy eipate.

REPPAS: Ma, exete qesei toylaxiston deka fores ayth thn erwthsh. Kai exete labei apanthseis. H idia h erwthsh...

MARDAS: To prwi yphrje to problhma. Egw to dhmioyrghsa;

REPPAS: Otan yparjei parabiash twn ellhnikwn xwrikwn ydatwn, qa yparjei antidrash apo thn ellhnikh pleyra, amesh kai apofasistikh. Ayto einai kainoyrgio;

MARDAS: Gia to qema ths paroysias stratiwtikwn dynamewn stis braxonhsides, yparxei apagoreysh;

REPPAS: Kyrie Marda, oi braxonhsides exoyn ena kaqestws apo to opoio diepontai epi dekaeties. Ayto to kaqestws twn braxonhsidwn einai safes kai einai dedomeno kai einai gnwsto.

*** Aytos o fakellos poy kratw einai o fakellos poy qa dwsoyme stoys jenoys dhmosiogra- foys. Ton etoimase to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Ginetai mia prospaqeia, kalesame jenoys dhmosiografoys. Anti na problhqei ayth h qetikh pleyra ths episkechs twn dhmosiografwn, anadeiknyetai oysiastika ws estia tribhs kai entashs h stash poy krata h Toyrkia. Ayto, nomizw, adikei thn prwtoboylia, adikei kai toys proskeklhmenoys mas. Giati, etsi opws paroysiazetai to qema kai fqanei ston teliko apodekth, ton polith, ton anagnwsth h ton akroath kai thleqeath, einai qema to opoio synistatai se entash, thn opoia prokalei h Toyrkia gia kapoia episkech.

FILHS: Tote na dinete "grammh" stis efhmerides, kyrie Ypoyrge.

REPPAS: Oxi. Emeis pote, kyrie Filh. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h Kybernhsh kaqe allo, para dinei "grammh". Eseis, allwste, doyleyete se mia efhmerida, istorikh bebaiws kai egkyrh, h opoia exei omws sto istoriko ths mia paradosh toy na lambanei "grammh", kapote. Loipon, sas parakalw para poly, mhn prospaqeite di'aytoy toy tropoy na metatopisete to qema. Qema to opoio exei na kanei me thn episkech eklektwn jenwn dhmosiografwn sthn Ellada. Kai oi opoioi qa syzhthsoyn me Ypoyrgoys, qa enhmerwqoyn gia qemata ta opoia exoyn gia mas endiaferon, prokeimenoy na ginoyn kai ekeinoi koinwnoi toys kai qa zhsoyn stis synqhkes zwhs oi opoies yparxoyn sthn Ellada. Qewroyme oti einai mia ajiologotath empeiria thn opoia prepei na apokthsoyn.
Eyxaristw poly.

* H ayrianh taktikh enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn kai twn antapokritwn jenoy typoy apo ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo k. Dhmhtrh Reppa qa ginei meta to peras ths syzhthshs sxetikhs eperwthshs sth Boylh, sthn opoia symmetexei o Ypoyrgos.

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