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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 27 Ianoyarioy 2012

Ariqmos Deltioy: 377622447

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H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO PANTELH KACH (25.1.2012)

KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 25 Ianoyarioy 2012

Qelw na ypogrammisw oti ayth th stigmh briskomaste sthn pio lepth, isws, fash twn diapragmateysewn gia thn oloklhrwsh toy PSI, alla kai gia th diatypwsh toy neoy programmatos gia th staqeropoihsh ths oikonomias.

H stigmh epibalei apolyth sobarothta kai ypeyqynothta apo oloklhro to politiko systhma, giati einai profanes oti ta osa qa ginoyn mesa stis epomenes hmeres - kai kyriolektw- qa ephreasoyn thn poreia ths xwras gia ta epomena xronia.

To deytero to opoio qelw na epishmanw einai oti xqes perase sth Boylh ena para poly shmantiko nomosxedio, me diatajeis poy sxetizontai amesa me thn oloklhrwsh aytwn twn diadikasiwn. Gia paradeigma sas epishmainw tis diatajeis gia to anoigma toy epaggelmatos twn dikhgorwn, poy jeroyme ti dyskolies eixe se prohgoymenes diaboyleyseis. Epishs epishmainw to anoigma toy epaggelmatos twn idiokthtwn forthgwn. Kai aytes oi diatajeis perasan me megalh pleiochfia.

Kai to trito stoixeio poy qelw na epishmanw einai oti enocei twn poly shmantikwn nomosxediwn ta opoia qa erqoyn sth Boylh kai profanws kai ths symfwnias ths neas daneiakhs symbashs kai toy neoy programmatos, h kybernhsh perimenei thn pleiochfia poy ekfrasthke kata th diarkeia twn programmatikwn dhlwsewn ths kybernhshs. Dhladh, h ayjhmenh koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia poy ekfrasthke stis programmatikes dhlwseis apo ta tria kommata poy sthrizoyn thn kybernhsh, PA.SO.K., N.D. kai LA.O.S. na epibebaiwqei ek neoy kai se aytes tis chfofories.

Prin perasoyme stis erwthseis sas, qa hqela na ekfrasw kai egw ta qerma moy syllyphthria kai to penqos olwn mas gia to xamo toy Qodwroy Aggelopoyloy. Enos skhnoqeth poy nomizw oti metefere sthn oqonh me poly prwtoporo tropo, olh thn metemfyliakh tragwdia kai anoije dromoys gia th symfiliwsh gia ena enwtiko ayrio. Ta qerma syllyphthria ths kybernhshs kai olwn mas sthn oikogeneia kai sta paidia toy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Hqela na sas rwthsw an sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti xqes s` ayto to poly shmantiko nomosxedio poy perase, aporrifqhke ena poly shmantiko qema poy einai to wrario twn farmakeiwn kai ena allo shmantiko qema, to qema twn dikhgorwn, perase me poly oriakh pleiochfia, afoy yphrxan polles diarroes kai s` ayth th diatajh poy chfisthke apo 170 boyleytes.

KACHS: Qewroyme poly shmantiko oti perase to nomosxedio. Einai profanes oti s` aytes tis chfofories yparxoyn kai koinoboyleytikes eyaisqhsies tis opoies sebomaste apolytws. Yparxoyn -kai einai fysiko na ekdhlwnontai- kai mia seira apo pieseis syndikalistikoy h kai syntexniakoy xarakthra. Ayto den allazei kaqoloy thn poreia ths kybernhshs. Qa proxwrhsoyme, prokeimenoy na oloklhrwsoyme ayto to ergo. Kai mia kai eipate gia to sygkekrimeno arqro, gia ta farmakeia, qa epanelqei sto ypoyrgiko symboylio kai qa paei sth Boylh ws sxedio nomoy.

KEXAGIA: Yparxoyn chgmata alhqeias sth fhmologia poy kykloforhse xqes to brady, peri paraithshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Papadhmoy, me aformh se osa synebhsan stis chfofories sth Boylh.

KACHS: Qelw na sas epishmanw oti ayth th stigmh to apokleistiko melhma toy Prwqypoyrgoy - kai to tonizw- einai na oloklhrwqoyn oi diapragmateyseis gia to PSI, gia th nea daneiakh symbash kai gia to neo programma staqeropoihshs 2013-2015. Einai para poly shmantika zhthmata ayta, apo ta opoia ejartatai h poreia ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai to an qa apofygoyme th xreokopia. Ayta einai mono sto myalo toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ayth h stash elpizw na mhn parejhgeitai apo kanenan.

BLAXOS: Mporei na parameinei ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs o k. Xrysoxoidhs meta th dhlwsh toy oti de diabase to mnhmonio;

KACHS: Gia tis dhlwseis toy k. Xrysoxoidh den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Kaqe poliths kai idiaitera kaqe politikos kai ypoyrgos bebaia, kanei dhlwseis gia tis opoies pairnei kai thn eyqynh.

STRATAKHS: Qelw na rwthsw, h kybernhsh meta th xqesinh stash twn kommatwn ti qa prajei gia na proxwrhsei to nomoqetiko ths ergo h an qa epidiwjei me prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy na perasei poly krisimotera zhthmata opws p.x. tis ergasiakes sxeseis...

KACHS: H kybernhsh qa proxwrhsei kanonika sthn oloklhrwsh toy ergoy ths.

PIKOYLAS: Kyrie ypoyrge, den yparxei zhthma me ton k. Papakwnstantinoy na parameinei h oxi sth qesh toy meta apo tis apokalyceis apo to porisma gia tis eyqynes ths ELSTAT;

KACHS: Den jerw gia ti apokalyceis milate. To porisma einai ayth th stigmh ston Eisaggelea, o opoios qa krinei kai an qa erqei sth Boylh.

PIKOYLAS: An yparjoyn eyqynes den qa...

KACHS: An erqei sth Boylh, den yparxei qema eyqynwn. Opws jerete, me bash to nomo peri eyqynhs ypoyrgwn, den tiqetai qema eyqynwn sto porisma ayto. An erqei sth Boylh, qa akoloyqhqei h koinoboyleytikh diadikasia.

STRATAKHS: Apokleiete dhladh to endexomeno na yparjoyn prajeis nomoqetikoy periexomenoy;

KACHS: H kybernhsh qa proxwrhsei kanonika sto koinoboyleytiko ths ergo. Den jerw giati lete ``prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy''.

STRATAKHS: Se prohgoymenes dhlwseis...

KACHS: Den exw milhsei kaqoloy gi` ayto to qema. H prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy einai mia sygkekrimenh diadikasia, h opoia ginetai katw apo poly sygkekrimenes synqhkes. To nomoqetiko ergo einai nomoqetiko ergo.

KOYTRAS: Me dedomeno th xqesinh chfoforia, eipate oti perimenete gia to PSI kai th daneiakh na epanabebaiwqei h pleiochfia twn programmatikwn mazi me 255 chfoys. Apo xqes to brady, ti apokomizei o Prwqypoyrgos; Oti exei th synainesh twn kommatwn; Oti qa perasoyn... ;

KACHS: Den eteqh pote en amfibolw h sthrijh twn kommatwn. Den yparxei tetoio zhthma. Sas ejhghsa pws mporeite na ermhneysete th stash toy Prwqypoyrgoy, kai poio einai to kyrio melhma toy. Thn Kyriakh pame sth Diaskech Koryfhs kai to apokleistiko toy melhma einai aytes oi diaboyleyseis kai oi diapragmateyseis. Oi diaboyleyseis gia to PSI kai oi diapragmateyseis gia to ergo.

MPEKA: Qelw to sxolio sas, sxetika me th dhlwsh toy k. Loberdoy, peri ``makeleioy''. Pws, dhladh, sxoliazetai ayto apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs; Dhladh, an h Boylh kai h Dikaiosynh kanoyn swsta th doyleia toys.

KACHS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio s` ayto. Aplws, na shmeiwsw oti o k. Loberdos eipe oti oi eisaggeleis ekanan swsta zhtwntas na stalei o fakelos amellhti sth Boylh.

MPEKA: Qelw na epanelqw ligo sto qema twn diarrown.

KACHS: Poiwn diarrown;

MPEKA: Twn diarrown, sxetika me to polynomosxedio.

KACHS: A, twn diarrown chfwn, ennoeite.

MPEKA: Akribws. An se ayto to polynomosxedio eixame toses polles diarroes kai kyriws apo thn pleyra toy PA.SO.K., ti perimenete na ginei me th nea daneiakh symbash poy ta metra qa einai sigoyra pio sklhra;

KACHS: Nomizw oti sas exw pei akribws tis qeseis ths kybernhshs. Perimenoyme oti sta krisima nomosxedia poy qa erqoyn, qa epanabebaiwqei me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo h pleiochfia, poy sthrizei aythn thn kybernhsh.

PITTARAS: Qelw na rwthsw, me aformh thn ypoqesh Moyzakith kai Peponh kai osa exei zhthsei o k. Papaiwannoy gia na apomakrynqoyn, ean o Prwqypoyrgos kat' arxhn symfwnei me tis energeies toy k. Papaiwannoy, ean kalyptei aytes tis energeies, thn idia stigmh poy blepoyme olos o dikastikos kosmos na antidra kai na antidra malista para poly entona.

KACHS: O k. Papaiwannoy ekane mia energeia poy brisketai mesa sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn toy kai h ypoqesh ayth th stigmh brisketai ston Areio Pago. Kata synepeia, egw den exw na kanw to paramikro sxolio.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, se o,ti afora tis ypografes poy zhta h troika, o Prwqypoyrgos exei syzhthsei me toys politikoys arxhgoys ayto to qema kai an oxi, pote qa to kanei;

KACHS: Den yparxei ayth th stigmh kapoio sygkekrimeno xronodiagramma. Aplws, qa shmeiwsw oti stoxos einai na oloklhrwqei akomh kai mesa sthn ebdomada h symfwnia gia to PSI.

MOSXOBAS: Eipate nwritera oti ayth th stash toy k. Papadhmoy, o opoios exei ws apokleistiko toy melhma thn oloklhrwsh toy PSI, den prepei na thn parejhgoyn. Qelete na ginete pio safhs; Poioi qa mporoysan na thn parejhgoyn kai...

KACHS: Nomizw oti eimai arketa safhs.

MOSXOBAS: Ennoeite oti fainetai mia adynamia, se alloy eidoys qemata, xeirismoy ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs;

KACHS: Eimai arketa safhs.

BITALHS: Mia dieykrinish qa hqela kyrie Ypoyrge: Otan lete oti stis krisimes chfofories poy erxontai, gia thn tameiakh symbash, to programma, k.lp. qa prepei na epibebaiwqei me ayjhmenh pleiochfia poy apaiteitai kai stis programmatikes, ennoeite akribws 255 h ayjhmenh pleiochfia einai kai oi 252, 250 k.lp.;

KACHS: Eimai safhs. Giati pame na diafwnhsoyme s' ayto;

KEXAGIA: Kyrie Ypoyrge, egw qa hqela na epimeinw s' ayto poy eipate dyo fores, oti kyrio melhma toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai h oloklhrwsh toy PSI kai h nea daneiakh symbash kai oti elpizete ayto na mhn parejhgeitai. Epeidh omws ayto to rhma epanalhfqhke dyo fores kai mporei na yparjei parermhneia twn oswn ypainisseste, qa hqela na mas dieykrinisete me poio tropo mporei na parejhghqei oti paramenei o k. Papadhmos sth qesh toy ws Prwqypoyrgos, para to gegonos oti symbainoyn ola ayta;

KACHS: Diabazw diafora sxolia. As lambanoyn yp' ocin toys kai merikes basikes proteraiothtes ayths ths kybernhshs. Oi basikes proteraiothtes ths kybernhshs einai na oloklhrwsei to PSI kai na kanei th nea daneiakh symbash. O k. Papadhmos - epeidh h erwthsh sas jekinhse malista kai apo kapoies fhmes peri paraithshs- ayta exei sto myalo toy. To na paraithqei kaneis einai para poly eykolo. To zhtoymeno ayth th stigmh, gia olo to politiko systhma, den einai na paraithqoyme. Einai na proxwrhsoyme. Kai ean paraithqoyme to mono poy qa kataferoyme qa einai na feroyme thn katastrofh.

MALTEZOY: Qa hqela na mas peite kapoies leptomereies gia thn epistrofh toy k. Ntalara sthn Aqhna kai ena sxolio gia thn protash ths kas Lagkarnt, gia symmetoxh toy dhmosioy tomea.

KACHS: O k. Ntalara erxetai ayrio ap' oso gnwrizw kai qa synexisei tis diapragmateyseis. Den qa kanw kanena sxolio (gia to etero qema).

XASAPOPOYLOS: Mia dieykrinish qa hqela: H kybernhsh epibebaiwnei ayto to keimeno poy bghke xqes sthn efhmerida ``TA NEA'' kai sto ``BHMA.gr'' gia tis apaithseis ths troikas; Einai sto trapezi ayto;

KACHS: Einai ena apo ta keimena poy yparxoyn, nai. Mia apo tis epistoles poy yparxoyn.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Einai twrino; Qelw na pw, einai prosfato, einai palio, einai ayth thn wra ayto poy syzhteitai;

KACHS: Einai mia dhmosiografikh epityxia. Egw den eimai eleyqeros na pw parapanw stoixeia. Einai pragmatiko, einai prosfato, exei erqei kai einai sto trapezi.

MOYRELATOY: O k. Prwqypoyrgos aisqanetai oti ayth th fora prepei na epidiwjei me megalyterh epitash mia desmeysh twn triwn politikwn arxhgwn, se mia synanthsh toys endexomenws, ayto to xarti poy maqame, to politiko plaisio...

KACHS: Kalh idea, qa toy thn metaferw.

MIXAHL: Epeidh, kyrie Ekproswpe, pame se mia krisimh diapragmateysh sth Synodo Koryfhs kai opws mas eipate to kyrio melhma toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy einai akribws ekei strammeno, skeftetai na parei kapoies politikes prwtoboylies, mexri tote, se dieqnes epipedo, oytws wste to arnhtiko klima poy ekpempoyme meta kai ta xqesina gegonota sth Boylh na ton dieykolynoyn se ayth th diapragmateysh;

KACHS: O Prwqypoyrgos einai kaqhmerina kai synexws se diaboyleyseis gi' ayta ta zhthmata me polloys jenoys hgetes kai paragontes toy dhmosioy bioy.

STRATAKHS: Epeidh thn prohgoymenh ebdomada kai idiaitera thn Paraskeyh to meshmeri, eixe dhmioyrghqei ena klima oti peripoy exei kleisei h diadikasia, h symfwnia gia to PSI kai emenan kapoies leptomereies kai blepoyme oti ardhn allazei to skhniko gyrw sta mesanykta, oti otan telika oi etairoi mas den egkrinoyn ayth th symfwnia poy eixe epiteyxqei, giati ayto htan to klima oti den qa epityxei mia symfwnia me ton k. Ntalara, qelw na rwthsw poios diapragmateyetai telika gia to PSI kai an oles oi apofaseis kai oi diapragmateyseis ths kybernhshs einai ypo thn airesh twn etairwn mas kai daneistwn mas. Kai pws aisqanetai o k. Prwqypoyrgos na exei oloklhrwsei mia diapragmateysh, na anamenoyme thn anakoinwsh apo stigmh se stigmh kai na lene ``oxi'' oi etairoi mas.

KACHS: H ektimhsh oti eixe oloklhrwqei einai dikh sas. Sas exw ejhghsei polles fores oti ayth h diapragmateysh mexri na oloklhrwqei paramenei anoikth. Kai ena stoixeio ths na paramenei anoikto, ayto mporei na dhmioyrgei problhmata kai na xreiazetai na epanadiapragmateyqoyn kai polla alla. Ara, den isxyei oti eixe oloklhrwqei h diapragmateysh. Se ayth th diapragmateysh metexoyn gnwstoi paragontes, daneistes, pistwtes k.lp. kai einai profanes oti epidiwketai na yparjei mia symfwnia olwn.

STRATAKHS: Nai, alla h diafwnia htan sto kyrio zhthma, sto epitokio. Oti emeis...

KACHS: Eseis to lete ayto, egw den to gnwrizw. Den gnwrizw tis diapragmateyseis, oyte sxoliazw tis diapragmateyseis.

STRATAKHS: O k. Ntalara, sth synenteyjh toy ta mesanyxta, eipe oti den...

KACHS: Den sxoliazw tis dhlwseis toy k. Ntalara. Den mporei o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos na kanei dhlwsh gia to PSI ayth th stigmh. Katalabete to.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, meta tis xqesines diarroes se mia poly krisimh chfoforia, oxi krisimoterh apo aytes poy qa akoloyqhsoyn se kaqe periptwsh, skeftetai o Prwqypoyrgos, ejetazei thn prooptikh na janakalesei eite se syskech koinh, eite se kat' idian synanthseis toys politikoys arxhgoys prin apo th Synodo Koryfhs kai ti apotelesma qa exei ayto, ektimate;

KACHS: Qa to doyme, den yparxei kati ayth th stigmh. Qa to doyme.

KOYTRAS: H eikona poy exei diamorfwqei sto eswteriko toy PASOK sas problhmatizei; Giati, shmera, yparxoyn dhlwseis kai stelexwn toy PASOK kai ypoyrgwn, bebaiws, opws toy k. Skandalidh, poy zhtoyn amesh, telos pantwn, sygklhsh ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas. Jerw oti den qa sxoliasete to komma, alla ti antanaklash mporei na exei ayto sthn kybernhsh;

KACHS: De briskomai edw gia na sxoliasw tis eswterikes ejelijeis sto PASOK. Eimai bebaios oti oloi oi boyleytes toy PASOK poy sthrijan thn kybernhsh, qa synexisoyn na thn sthrizoyn giati akribws pisteyoyn kai aytoi sthn anagkh oloklhrwshs toy ergoy ths.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh exei dwsei kapoio sygkekrimeno xroniko periqwrio stoys koinwnikoys etairoys na katalhjoyn, prin parei tis apofaseis;

KACHS: To xroniko periqwrio mpainei apo th zwh. H kybernhsh den exei qesei kapoio xroniko periqwrio.

ZOYLAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, an katalaba kala, balate ena qema diakommatikhs peiqarxias shmera -opws legame palia kommatikhs peiqarxias- sta kommata poy sthrizoyn thn kybernhsh. Qelw na moy peite, loipon, ean to epomeno nomosxedio -opoiodhpote kai an einai poy qa erqei sth Boylh- perasei men, alla oxi me 255, alla me 220 h 210 chfoys, ti qa kanei o k. Papadhmos;

KACHS: Emeis perimenoyme. Sas eipa, oti h megalh pleiochfia qa epibebaiwqei se ola ta krisima nomosxedia gia to PSI, th daneiakh symbash kai to neo programma.

PERDIKARHS: Sxetika me tis dhlwseis toy k. Soimple, meta to xqesino Eurogroup, oti qa zhthsei h Eyrwph, oi etairoi mas, mia grapth desmeysh ap' ola ta kommata gia symfwnia sta metra, akomh kai meta tis ekloges, exei kapoio sxolio h kybernhsh; Oti qa desmeysei, dhladh...

KACHS: Einai profanes oti qa zhthqoyn desmeyseis. To pws akribws qa einai aytes oi desmeyseis, qa to doyme. Den einai akomh gnwsto.

MARAQIAS: Pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti yparxoyn sxolia shmera sta radiothleoptika diktya, oti o Prwqypoyrgos den htan parwn xqes sthn chfoforia;

KACHS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. O Prwqypoyrgos parakoloyqoyse poly stena thn chfoforia kai asxoliotan me kapoia alla, poly shmantika zhthmata ekeinh thn wra.

Sas eyxaristw.

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