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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 30 Maioy 2011

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 30 Maioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Me apofasistikothta synexizoyme thn prospaqeia mas gia thn antimetwpish ths krishs kai thn anatajh ths xwras. H krish poy antimetwpizoyme, einai prwtofanhs, toso ws pros thn entash, oso kai ws pros th dyskolia ths.

Mia krish poy mono sthn epifaneia ths einai dhmosionomikh kai oikonomikh, enw gnwrizoyme oti oi rizes ths briskontai se baqies paqogeneies sth leitoyrgia twn qesmwn, ths dioikhshs kai toy monteloy anaptyjhs toy idioy toy kratoys.

Gi` ayto kai h prospaqeia ths kybernhshs den entopizetai mono sthn antimetwpish twn dhmosionomikwn symptwmatwn h twn oikonomikwn problhmatwn, alla ekteinetai se mia eyryterh prospaqeia tomwn kai metarryqmisewn poy antimetwpizoyn ta pragmatika kai baqytera aitia.

H anairesh twn kakws keimenwn se epipedo oikonomias, dioikhshs, anaptyjiakoy monteloy kai politikoy systhmatos ginetai - kai to gnwrizoyme - mono me almata apofasistikothtas.

H kybernhsh apo thn prwth stigmh edeije oti einai apofasismenh na kanei ayta ta anagkaia almata. Kai pragmati, mesa se 18 mhnes diakybernhshs petyxame polla, petyxame stoxoys kai apodeijame thn proshlwsh mas se ayto to megalo sxedio gia thn anatajh ths xwras.

Epideijame kai synexizoyme na epideiknyoyme thn apofasistikothta kai thn epimonh poy apaitoyn oi kairoi. Proxwrame me apofasistikothta poy apaitei h anagkh ths pragmatikhs allaghs ths xwras. Giati gnwrizoyme oti mono ayth h pragmatikh kai oysiastikh allagh einai poy mporei na ferei thn pragmatikh asfaleia gia ton polith, poy einai kai o telikos stoxos mas.

Asfaleia h opoia basizetai se mia xwra kai mia oikonomia poy sthrizetai stis dikes ths dynameis, se ena pragmatiko, swsto, realistiko kai orqologistiko montelo anaptyjhs, apallagmenh apo kaqe eidoys ejarthseis kai lanqasmenes nootropies.

Anazhtoyme kai epidiwkoyme thn eqnikh synennohsh, oxi ws prosxhma, oyte ws synqhma, alla ws ena oysiastiko bhma gia thn apofasistikothta gia th xwra mas. Ena bhma gia thn pragmatikh symmetoxh olwn twn koinwnikwn kai politikwn dynamewn sthn prospaqeia antimetwpishs ths krishs.

Prepei oloi na antilhfqoyme th shmasia twn problhmatwn. Th shmasia mias koinhs kai dynaths fwnhs. Thn idia thn eyqynh poy exei kaqenas mas gia thn poreia ths xwras, etsi wste me gennaia bhmata na mporesei h xwra na paei mprosta.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, prin apo liga lepta, o k. Samaras, apanthse se ayto poy lete twra. Eipe, dhladh, oti den mporei na ypogracei kai na chfisei kamia synypeyqynothta, kamia synainesh sto adiejodo kai thn apotyxia ths kybernhshs, giati an to ekane ayto, qa ypegrafe th diktatoria toy monodromoy. Exete kapoio sxolio;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, apo thn prwth stigmh ejhghsame ti ennooyme eqnikh synennohsh. Den zhthsame oyte leykes epitages apo alles politikes dynameis, me tis opoies oytws h allws exoyme diafores - gia na mhn pame kai se pio baqies sxeseis - alla oyte kai na egkataleicoyn tis ideologikes kai politikes toys proseggiseis se sygkekrimena zhthmata. Ekeino to opoio emeis zhtame, ekfrazontas tis anagkes ths xwras, einai na antilhfqoyme, epiteloys, tis eyqynes poy exoyme oloi mas. An h N.D. h opoiadhpote allh politikh dynamh, pragmatika, synaisqanetai to megeqos ths krishs poy pername, to megeqos ths megalhs eyqynhs oxi aplws na jeperasoyme mia krish, alla na mporesoyme na allajoyme th xwra mas, to megeqos ths eyqynhs poy exoyme oloi na parexoyme asfaleia kai sigoyria ston Ellhna polith, tote pragmatika qa prepei na afhsoyme tis kommatikes kai mikrokommatikes mas proseggiseis kai na elqoyme se ena koino pedio eqnikhs synennohshs. Se mia sygklish me sygkekrimenoys stoxoys kai bhmata poy oloi oi Ellhnes polites blepoyn. Kaqe mera, apodeiknyetai oti polla apo ayta ta bhmata poy proteinei kai h N.D. kai briskontai kai stis dikes mas protaseis - se ligo qa einai apofaseis sto Mesoproqesmo Strathgiko Sxedio - einai koina. Ean se mia seira zhthmatwn poy qetoyme emeis kai mia seira zhthmatwn poy qetoyn oi alles politikes dynameis kai kyriws h N.D., erxomaste kai leme oti se arketa apo ayta yparxei taytish, den mporw na dianohqw giati pragmatika den mporei na yparjei mia eqnikh synennohsh. To na einai kaqenas kleismenos sto kommatiko toy magazi perixarakwmenos gyrw apo tis dikes toy antilhceis, proseggiseis kai gyrw apo to diko toy, nomizontas oloi mas, kosmo, tote pragmatika deixnoyme oti den synaisqanomaste to megeqos ths eyqynhs poy exoyme. Den einai tyxaio oti o Prwqypoyrgos kai xqes kai proxqes epanelabe oti emeis eimaste anoixtoi, eimaste apofasismenoi, estw kai monoi mas bebaiws, na kanoyme aytes tis megales allages gia na bgei h xwra apo thn krish, alla kai oti eimaste anoixtoi sthn epibeblhmenh apo ta pragmata eqnikh synennohsh, sto plaisio mias eqnikhs anagkhs. Osoi antilambanontai tis eyqynes poy exoyn apenanti s` ayth th megalh anagkaiothta, qa breqoyn mazi mas kai qa exoyme koina shmeia sygklishs. Pragmatika, prepei na antilhfqoyme oloi oti ayto to antilambanetai kai o ellhnikos laos.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate na mhn meinoyme kleismenoi kaqenas sto kommatiko toy magazi. Ayth thn entolh den edwse o laos; Den edwse sthn kybernhsh, sto PA.SO.K. th dynatothta na kyberna kai sth N.D. na antipoliteyetai; Giati qa pate mazi; Kai en pash periptwsei, an einai na pate mazi, giati den kanei o Prwqypoyrgos ekloges, oytws wste na epibalei o laos th synainesh poy epizhtate.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den zhthsame na kybernhsoyme mazi. Ayto einai jekaqaro, gia na mh ginontai parejhghseis kai gia na aposafhnisoyme ola ta senaria peri sygkybernhshs ktl. Einai teleiws diaforetiko na yparxei isxyrh, apofasismenh kai dynath ws pros tis apofaseis ths kybernhsh, opws einai h shmerinh, h opoia tolmhse na ta balei me mia terastia krish kai me ena terastio kyma anajiopistias poy paralabame prin apo enamish xrono kai h opoia einai apofasismenh na paei estw kai monh ths pros thn ejodo ths xwras apo thn krish. Alla einai eqnika anagkaio, an antilambanomaste stoixeiwdws thn krisimothta twn stigmwn sth xwra mas, ws pros to kombiko shmeio gia thn ejodo apo thn krish, na synennohqoyme kai oxi na synergastoyme kybernhtika. Ayto den mas afora, den afora ton kosmo. Mas afora na mporesoyme oloi mazi na exoyme enan koino ajona poy qa einai h eqnikh synennohsh. Emeis kai kybernhsame kai kybername stis dyskoloteres stigmes apo th metapoliteysh kai meta. Gi` ayto eimaste edw. Kai apodeijame to poso apofasismenoi eimaste. Ayto, omws, einai ena allo zhthma, apo to na milame gia thn anagkaiothta ths eqnikhs synennohshs poy antilambanetai o idios o ellhnikos laos poly kala.

TSIKRIKA: O k. Samaras, milwntas prin apo ligo sthn K.O. eipe kai kapoia sygkekrimena pragmata. Eipe oti qa mporoyse na yparjei mia realistikh syzhthsh kai na yparjei synennohsh, an o Prwqypoyrgos sto mesoproqesmo programma symperielambane tis protaseis gia meiwsh twn forologikwn syntelestwn kai epishs, proteine ston Prwqypoyrgo na epanadiapragmateytoyn apo koinoy to mnhmonio. Ti apanta h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Qa apanthsw ena pros ena ta qemata poy qesate. Epeidh, akribws, h amyna ths N.D. synistatai pleon sthn allagh twn forologikwn syntelestwn, les kai ayto einai to apan toy kosmoy, kai epeidh akoygetai kai poly eyhxa oti meiwnontai oi forologikoi syntelestes, qa prepei prwta na dieykrinisoyme oti oi forologikoi syntelestes aforoyn sth forologhsh etaireiwn, synepws, sygkekrimenes omades plhqysmoy. Ara den aforoyn olh thn koinwnia. Apo ekei kai pera, me to na yioqethsoyme apo tis dekades protaseis poy exei kanei o k. Samaras sto Zappeio 2, mia protash mono, otan emeis eipame oti exoyme koino topo se mia seira apo pragmatikes kai realistikes protaseis, ayto den bohqaei kanenan. Emeis eipame oti qa meiwsoyme toys forologikoys syntelestes, alla as erqei h N.D. na mas pei pws qa broyme ta xrhmata, me poion isodynamo tropo qa broyme ta xrhmata. H N.D. elege oti qa prepei na yioqethsoyme olo to paketo twn lysewn poy dinei mesw toy Zappeio 2 kai emeis apanthsame oti ean yioqetoysame to programma toy Zappeio 2, tote ta elleimmata qa efqanan pali sthn epoxh toy Karamanlh. Fysika, kati tetoio qa htan egklhmatiko gia th xwra mas. Otan emeis qesame mia seira apo zhthmata, h N.D. menei sthn allagh twn forologikwn syntelestwn. Kai menei giati akoygetai poly eyxarista ston kosmo. Ean, omws, pragmatika qeloyme na mhn koroideyoyme ton kosmo kai an qeloyme pragmatika thn eqnikh synennohsh, na yperboyme aytoys toys mikrokommatismoys, as pei kati allo o k. Samaras. Den bohqaei sto na estiazetai se ena mono zhthma, to opoio den mporei na bohqhsei sthn epiteyjh toy stoxoy poy exoyme, sth meiwsh toy elleimmatos, sth meiwsh toy xreoys.

Oson afora thn epanadiapragmateysh, apo ekei poy h N.D. htan teleiws kata toy mnhmonioy, hrqe sth qesh ths epanadiapragmateyshs. Na ypenqymisw oti sth Synodo ths 25hs Martioy exoyme petyxei beltiwtikoys oroys toy mnhmonioy, exoyme parei epimhkynsh toy xronoy apoplhrwmhs twn 110 dis gia alla epta xronia, alla exoyme petyxei, prin apo dyo mhnes, kai meiwsh toy epitokioy aytoy toy daneismoy. Ti epanadiapragmateysh kai me ti sygkekrimena stoixeia proteinei kai anaferei h N.D.; Kai en pash periptwsei, o Prwqypoyrgos ontas yperbatikos kai jepernwntas tis mikrokommatikes logikes kai analogizomenos tis eyqynes poy exoyn oi politikes dynameis shmera, ekane mia seira apo anoigmata me protaseis se oles tis politikes dynameis, etsi wste afoy apodexqoyme to stoxo poy einai h meiwsh twn elleimmatwn kai toy xreoys, afoy apodexqoyme oti prepei na akoloyqhsoyme ena programma poy qa mas bgalei poly syntoma se aytoys toys stoxoys, tote na diapragmateytoyme o,ti qeloyme. Alla, den mporoyme na phgainoyme tyfla se epanadiapragmateysh, afhnontas pio pisw toys stoxoys kai milwntas genika kai aorista.

MPEKA: Mexri na ginei h syskech twn politikwn arxhgwn, sernotan to ekbiastiko dillhma h synainesh h adynamia na plhrwqoyn misqoi kai syntajeis mexri 15 Ioylioy, symfwna panta me ayta poy eipe o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn ston k. Papaxela. Meta th synanthsh sthn opoia den epeteyxqh h polypoqhth synainesh, o Prwqypoyrgos apofasise na parei stis plates toy thn Ellada. Jafnika to qema ths 5hs doshs lyqhke, ws dia mageias, apo thn idia kiolas mera, mexri shmera. O k. Papakwnstantinoy mas leei oti qa thn paroyme kai oti den yparxei problhma. Ti politika paixnidia einai ayta k. Ekproswpe; Me diafora mias syskechs na mas lete pragmata th mia me kindynologia kai thn allh me efhsyxasmo.

PETALWTHS: An h pragmatikothta kai h alhqeia eklambanetai ws kindynologia, tote einai qema to an qeloyme na akoyme kai na maqainoyme thn alhqeia h oxi. Prwta ap` ola, o k. Papakwnstantinoy htan poly sygkekrimenos. Eipe oti an den kanoyme ayta poy prepei, an den paroyme tis apofaseis poy prepei, kindyneyoyme stis 15 Ioylioy na exoyme problhma me tis plhrwmes mas. Ayth htan h alhqeia. Ayto qa synebaine an den kaname tipota. Kai ayto to gnwrizoyme. Kai gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti akomh briskomaste se diapragmateysh me toys daneistes mas gia to Mesoproqesmo Strathgiko Sxedio, etsi wste na einai ena peistiko sxedio, oxi aplws gia na toys peisoyme, alla gia na einai ena sxedio, poy qa bgalei th xwra apo thn krish, toylaxiston mexri enos epipedoy, oytws wste na mas epitrecei na kanoyme alla bhmata apo ekei kai pera. O k. Papakwnstantinoy sth diadikasia aytwn twn diapragmateysewn ejefrase thn apoch kai thn pepoiqhsh toy, oti oi diapragmateyseis poy einai poly dyskoles bebaiws, odeyoyn kai ginontai me tetoio tropo, etsi wste na mas dhmioyrgoyn prosdokia oti qa petyxoyme na kleisoyn qetika aytes oi diapragmateyseis toy mesoproqesmoy kai na paroyme telika thn 5h dosh. Na ypenqymisw oti den exoyme labei akomh thn 5h dosh, oyte yparxei apofash kai egkrish apo thn troika oti qa pame swsta me to Mesoproqesmo Strathgiko Sxedio, ara na yparxei kai h egkrish gia na mas doqei h 5h dosh. Oyte hmastan kindynologoi, oyte eimaste yperaisiodojoi, oyte krybame alhqeies, opws ginotan sto parelqon, oyte yperektimoyme kai ginomaste xaroymenoi xwris kanena logo, opws ekane sto parelqon h N.D. Eimaste realistes, eimaste pragmatistes. Qa prepei, epiteloys, na antilhfqoyme oti ta pragmata einai dyskola, alla sygxronws, emeis san kybernhsh, eggyomaste oti oso yparxoyn swstes, grhgores, tolmhres kai gennaies apofaseis, tote qa mporoyme kaqe fora na pairnoyme tis doseis enos daneioy.

Olh ayth h prospaqeia poy kanei h kybernhsh, qa htan pio kala proetoimasmenh, qa htan pio beltiwmenh ws prospaqeia, an eixame mazi mas kai tis alles politikes dynameis. Kai ekei, akribws, egkeitai ayto to aithma gia thn eqnikh synennohsh. Emeis, ayto poy einai na kanoyme, to kanoyme oytws h allws. Apodeijame oti den pame pisw kai den gyrizoyme pisw me tipota. Ean, omws, eixame th synennohsh kai an exoyme th synennohsh me tis alles politikes dynameis, tote einai poly pio eykolo gia thn idia th xwra, gia ton idio ton polith, gia ton idio ton ellhniko lao, na bgoyme akomh pio grhgora apo thn krish.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate se prohgoymenh apanthsh sas oti qelete na antilhfqoyn oloi thn krisimothta ths katastashs kai na synennohqeite giati den milate gia synergasia kybernhtikh. Ti allaje apo thn Paraskeyh to apogeyma poy zhthse kybernhtikh synergasia o Prwqypoyrgos, amesws meta to Symboylio Politikwn Arxhgwn h telos pantwn kapoies wres meta;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhtikh synergasia den einai synergasia se epipedo kybernhshs kai se epipedo ypoyrgwn. Qa prepei na antilhfqoyme oti ayta anhkoyn sto parelqon, oti tetoioy eidoys pazaria den mas aforoysan kai den mas aforoyn. Den sygxwrei o kosmos kai oi polites na skeftomaste me tetoio tropo. Antiqeta, ekeino poy epiballetai kai apo tis peristaseis kai apo thn eqnikh anagkaiothta, alla kai apo toys idioys toys polites, oi opoioi pragmatika zhtoyn gennaies allages kai kyriws gennaies antimetwpiseis kai prospaqeies kai kinhseis kai prajeis idiws apo tis politikes dynameis - kai gia na mhn pw akomh perissotero apo tis politikes dynameis poy mas efqasan se ayto to shmeio - einai pragmatika na kanoyme ekeines tis yperbaseis oi opoies qa deijoyn oti antilambanomaste to megalo patriwtiko kaqhkon poy exoyme na swsoyme th xwra. Otan, loipon, milame gia synennohsh, otan milame gia synergasia, ayto ennooyme kai den ennooyme tipote allo. Thn yperbatikothta toy Prwqypoyrgoy apenanti se aytes tis dyskoles stigmes, den qa prepei na thn ermhneyoyme me oroys toy parelqontos kai mesa apo sygkekrimena prismata poy den aforoyn sthn kybernhsh.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Hqela na moy ejhghsete an mporeite praktika ti shmainei tote ayth h kybernhtikh synergasia kai kata poson qa hsastan diateqeimenoi na mhn perasete to mesoproqesmo me 151 kai 1 arqro. Nomizw oti shmera o k. Samaras afhse anoikto to endexomeno h telos pantwn zhthse, estw kai emmesws, na perasei ws perissotera.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, ws pros to teleytaio poy qesate, yparxei sygkekrimenh koinoboyleytikh diadikasia kai den ejartatai oyte apo thn kybernhsh, oyte apo thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh sto pws qa chfizontai oi nomoi toy kratoys. Yparxei o Kanonismos ths Boylhs, yparxoyn diadikasies poy den mporoyn na mpoyn sto trapezi mias diapragmateyshs, prokeimenoy na mporesoyme na yperboyme h na oxyrwqoyme pisw apo dikes mas kommatikes qewrhseis. Ayto einai to prwto safes.

Apo ekei kai pera, yparxei h dynatothta - epanalambanw - h synainesh, h synennohsh - kai to exei pei o idios o Prwqypoyrgos polles fores - na apodeiknyetai kaqe mera kai sthn prajh. Den einai qema chfishs enos nomoy, estw ki enos enisxymenoy nomoqetikoy plaisioy, opws einai to Mesoproqesmo Strathgiko Sxedio. Einai qema kaqhmerinhs praktikhs twn idiwn twn kommatwn. Ekei fainetai ean kai pws ennooyme o kaqenas mas thn eqnikh synennohsh, ekei fainetai poso antapokrinomaste ston ypeyqyno rolo poy exoyn shmera oi politikes dynameis, ston rolo poy qelei pragmatika na deixnoyme oloi oti antilambanomaste tis peristaseis kai toys kindynoys poy diatrexei h asynepeia kai h mh akoloyqia sygkekrimenwn sobarwn qewrhsewn panw s' aytes tis peristaseis.

TSIKRIKA: Oi  Financial Times exoyn ena dhmosieyma, sto opoio kanoyn logo gia prwtofanh jenh parembash sthn ellhnikh oikonomia kai anaferoyn oti yparxoyn anqrwpoi perij twn diapragmateysewn poy exoyn diamorfwsei, prowqoyn ena paketo poy qa perilambanei kai kinhtra, wste oi idiwtes katoxoi ellhnikwn omologwn na parateinoyn oikeioqelws to programma apoplhrwmhs toys apo thn Ellada. Isxyei to dhmosieyma kai ean isxyei, ti sygkekrimena perilambanei ayto to paketo kai poioi einai oi ajones toy; Ti epidiwkei h qa epidiwjei h kybernhsh mesw aytoy;

PETALWTHS: Kaqe mera diabazoyme kai akoyme para polla. Kai oxi twra, edw kai enamish xrono, apo tote poy jekinhse h prospaqeia, apo tote poy antilhfqhkame oti mpainoyme se mia krish prwtofanh gia th xwra mas. Emas, ws kybernhsh, ayto poy mas endiaferei einai na kanoyme swsta th doyleia mas. Emeis eggyhqhkame oti qa akoloyqhsoyme ena programma gia thn ejodo ths xwras apo thn krish, mesa apo diafaneis diadikasies, mesa apo diadikasies - kai ayto kanei to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn - poy eggywntai oti h xwra mas qa bgei apo thn krish, oti den qa diakindyneysoyme thn oikonomia ths xwras mas, oti oi kinhseis poy kanoyme einai para poly stoxeymenes kai eggywntai, pragmatika, to dhmosio symferon se ola ta epipeda. H epejergasia kai h diergasia poy ginetai apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn gia ola ayta ta zhthmata einai h megalyterh eggyhsh oti se ola ayta qa eimaste synepeis. To ti blepei to fws ths dhmosiothtas kaqe mera, alla swsta kai alla laqos, mexri kai senaria episthmonikhs fantasias blepoyme na jetyligontai kaqe mera kai ston dieqnh kai ston egxwrio Typo, pragmatika den mas afora.

MPEKA: Einai safes oti h kybernhsh qa proxwrhsei to programma twn apokratikopoihsewn poly grhgora. Poios ypoyrgos qa balei thn ypografh toy s' ayto poy o laos kai h antipoliteysh leei ``jepoylhma'' kai poy ayrio mporei na toys zhthqoyn akomh kai eyqynes politikes kai koinwnikes;

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw ean h antipoliteysh to leei ``jepoylhma'' kai ejartatai kai poia merida ths antipoliteyshs to leei. Ean to leei h N.D., nomizw oti krinei ej idiwn ta allotria. Kai mallon, epeidh fobotan na balei tis ypografes ths, epi 6 xronia, se apofaseis oi opoies qa mas ebgazan ap' ayton ton kindyno poy pername shmera, gi' ayto isws krinei ej idiwn. Oyte fysika o laos to leei. O laos exei alloys tropoys kai alloys logoys ekfrashs. Emeis, ekeino poy kanoyme einai na kanoyme th doyleia mas. Epeidh akribws synaisqanomaste thn poly megalh eyqynh, gi' ayto den eimaste h kybernhsh ths adraneias, eimaste h kybernhsh ths prajhs. Kai gi' ayto milame gia ejairetikh diafaneia. Kai pragmatika, o,ti ginetai, den prokeitai na afhsei thn paramikrh yponoia oti mporei na ginontai pragmata katw apo to trapezi. Erxomaste na qerapeysoyme traymata toy politikoy systhmatos, toy idioy toy kratoys, ths idias ths dioikhshs, toy kratikoy mhxanismoy, oloklhrwn 10etiwn. Kai ekei, pragmatika, emeis den fobomaste. Ean fobomastan, qa kaname o,ti kai h N.D. Den qa bazame ypografes se megales kai diarqrwtikes allages oi opoies eprepe na ginoyn kai tis kanoyme. Antiqeta, qa kinoymastan me tropoys kai politikes terastias spatalhs, opws ginotan tosa xronia.

Kai edw moy dinete thn eykairia na pw kati allo: Epeidh olo ayto ton kairo mporei na milame gia eqnikh synennohsh, alla den egkataleipoyme kai to dikaiwma mas na krinoyme fysika kai th N.D. Kai otan akoyme shmera th N.D. kai eidika ton k. Samara na leei oti den qa balei thn ypografh toy h den qa chfisei nomosxedia ta opoia den ton ekfrazoyn kai ta loipa, as qymhqoyme oti o k. Samaras htan ypoyrgos mias kybernhshs, ths kybernhshs Karamanlh kai makari osoi shmera dhlwnoyn ton distagmo toys na chfisoyn nomosxedia poy den toys ekfrazoyn, ayton ton distagmo na ton dhlwnan kai sta 5,5 xronia ths diakybernhshs Karamanlh. Qa eixame glitwsei para polla shmera.

TSIKRIKA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh lambanei ta mhnymata apo tis dekades xiliades aganaktismenwn politwn poy briskontai stoys dromoys kai diadhlwnoyn; Poio einai to mhnyma poy lambanei h kybernhsh; Kai epishs mas prokalese entypwsh h dhlwsh toy k. Pagkaloy, o opoios oysiastika tonise oti den yparxei ideologiko ypobaqro, an kai eseis kanate mia dhlwsh sth synexeia oti yparxei ideologiko ypobaqro pisw apo tis kinhtopoihseis. Ayth einai h gnwmh ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: O k. Pagkalos ekane mia dikh toy proseggish. Oi proseggiseis, panw s' ayto to zhthma, einai polles. Kai malista otan prokeitai gia mia ekdhlwsh se paneyrwpaiko epipedo, oxi mono sthn Ellada, gia mia ekfrash agwnias gia thn poreia toy politikoy systhmatos sthn Eyrwph kai thn poreia twn politikwn kai oikonomikwn ejelijewn. Ayto poy qelw na pw einai oti h dikh mas kybernhsh einai kybernhsh h opoia isa-isa parakinoyse toys polites na ekfrasoyn thn apoch toys, na einai energoi polites. Eimaste h kybernhsh poy efere th diadikasia toy opengov., poy anoije th diadikasia ths diaboyleyshs mesa apo to diadiktyo. Safws kai den exoyme na fobhqoyme tipote apo ayta ta kinhmata, sto baqmo poy einai ayqormhta, ayqentika kai den kapelwnontai apo kommatikes tampeles kai kommatikes h alloy eidoys ideologies, paratajeis h symferonta. S' ayto ton baqmo, ennoeitai oti antilambanomaste kai thn ekfrash ths poly megalhs agwnias twn politwn. Kai einai safes pws emeis gnwrizoyme oti briskomaste sto apokoryfwma mias krishs, ths opoias oi synepeies einai ena meros ths zwhs, ths kaqhmerinothtas toy aploy Ellhna polith. Ara, den qa mporoysame na kanoyme oti den blepoyme pws o kosmos exei dikaiwma, oi polites exoyn dikaiwma na agwnioyn, na ekfrazoyn thn boylhsh toys kai malista mesa apo tetoies kinhseis poy einai eirhnikes kai amfisbhtoyn syllhbdhn to politiko systhma. Omws, den mporw na mhn pw kai na symplhrwsw oti qa qelame pragmatika kai qa bohqoyse kai thn kybernhsh, alla kai tis alles politikes dynameis, pisteyw, na yparxoyn stoxeymenes draseis - dhladh pera apo mia synolikh amfisbhthsh poy einai kai logikh kai eylogh me tis synepeies ths krishs se ejelijh ayto to xroniko diasthma - na ypodeiknyoyn safeis proorismoys, agwnies, akomh kai aganakthsh. Kai ean eixame tetoia kinhmata eirhnikhs ekfrashs ths agwnias twn politwn panw se sygkekrimena zhthmata poy akomh apoteloyn troxopedh gia thn proodo kai thn anaptyjh, opws einai h grafeiokratia, o kratikos mhxanismos, h streblh oikonomia, h elleich koinwnikoy kratoys sto epipedo toylaxiston poy einai anagkaio, ean pragmatika ayta ta kinhmata stoxeyan kai pio sygkekrimena se tetoioy eidoys anagkes, qa htan akomh pio xrhsimo kai gia ton ellhniko lao, alla kai gia mas, prokeimenoy na wqoymaste kai na parakinoymaste stis proteraiothtes poy exoyme qesei kai qetoyme ws kybernhsh.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exei dhmioyrghqei enas qorybos kai malista entonos, me tis dhlwseis toy k. Droytsa, se o,ti afora boyleytes kai symperifores kai aytokinhta kai koinoboyleytikes diadikasies kai exoyme antidraseis oxi mono apo toys boyleytes ths antipoliteyshs, alla kai apo boyleytes toy kybernwntos kommatos. H kybernhsh symfwnei me aytes tis apoceis;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola na pw oti o k. Droytsas ejefrase tis apoceis toy, sto plaisio mias eyryterhs synenteyjhs, opoy rwthqhke kai gia to kinhma twn aganaktismenwn politwn kai pws blepei h kybernhsh ayta ta kinhmata. Genikotera, ejefrase tis apoceis toy sto plaisio mias dhmosiografikhs syzhthshs gia to politiko systhma. Fysika, aytes einai oi apoceis toy k. Droytsa, einai proswpikes apoceis. Einai apoceis sto plaisio ayths ths syzhthshs kai apo ekei kai pera, alimono ean poinikopoioyme tis apoceis toy kaqe ypoyrgoy h toy kaqe boyleyth.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se aythn thn periptwsh yparxoyn dyo problhmata. To prwto einai oti to eipe o k. Droytsas. Mporei na einai h apoch toy, na thn exei kataqesei...

PETALWTHS: Se ayto to shmeio qa hqela na jekaqarisoyme, gia na gnwrizoyme se poia bash milame, oti einai proswpikh apoch toy k. Droytsa, thn opoia den ekryce...

MIXAHL: ... omws kaqe politikos prepei na epilegei kai ton tropo kai ton xrono kai thn sygkyria poy qa ekqetei tis apoceis toy. Edw oi apoceis toy k. Droytsa mporei na einai para poly swstes kai endexomenws na einai kai to mellon an qelete toy politikoy systhmatos kata thn ektimhsh moy. Wstoso, s' ayth thn sygkyria opoy yparxoyn antidraseis apo thn Koinoboyleytikh sas Omada, mia koinwnia poy antidra me to kinhma twn ``Aganaktismenwn'', na tiqetai ena tetoio qema otan mprosta sas exete tetoies chfofories gia to mesoproqesmo, den synista problhma;

PETALWTHS: Oi syzhthseis poy ginontai kai qa ginontai, gia paradeigma to qema toy ariqmoy twn boyleytwn, exei qixtei edw kai poly kairo kai apo polloys politikoys. Oi syzhthseis poy ginontai gyrw apo to politiko systhma, einai polles, ginontai me diaforoys tropoys kai fysika h ekfrash toys den mporei na perioristei. To na stoxeyoyme se proswpikes apoceis toy k. Droytsa, otan o idios dhlwse kat' epanalhch se ayth th syzhthsh oti ejefraze proswpikes apoceis kai den ekproswpoyse ekeinh th stigmh thn kybernhsh, nomizw oti einai yperboliko. Epanalambanw, einai proswpikes toy apoceis.

MPEKA: Qelw na kanw mia symplhrwmatikh sthn prwth erwthsh poy sas ekana gia thn A' dosh kai thn synenteyjh toy k. Papakwnstantinoy ston Alejh Papaxela. Oi dhlwseis toy k. Papakwnstantinoy odhghsan thn epomenh mera kiolas toys Ellhnes na trabhjoyn apo tis trapezes kataqeseis ycoys 1,5 dis eyrw. Pws krinete ayth thn kinhsh;

PETALWTHS: Ayto to 1,5 dis den prokyptei apo poyqena. Einai dhmosiografiko kai qewrw oti einai poly yperboliko. Thn agwnia kai ton fobo twn politwn den thn parakinoyn oyte oi dhlwseis toy k. Papakwnstantinoy poy perigrafoyn thn alhqeia, mia dhmosia alhqeia gia ta oikonomika mas poy thn gnwrizoyn para poly kala oi polites kai emeis. Otan krinomaste apo thn troika gia na paroyme thn 5h dosh kai thn kaqe dosh yparxei kai dhmosiopoihmenh ekqesh - h palia synenteyjh ths troika - poy dinei to pragmatiko megeqos ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Ara o k. Papakwnstantinoy den eipe kati poy den gnwrize o kosmos. Akribws to antiqeto eipe. Oti ean pragmatika emeis eimaste apofasismenoi kai ayto to deijoyme sto na eimaste entajei me toys stoxoys poy qetoyme, tote den qa yparxei kanenas kindynos. Mono apo th qetikh pleyra qa eprepe na to doyme kai to oti briskomaste sto apokoryfwma mias krishs, to oti yparxei mia genikeymenh agwnia, ayto einai gnwsto. Einai kati omws poy den periorizetai kai fysika den periorizetai me to na apokryptoyme gia allh mia fora thn alhqeia apo ton ellhniko lao. Ekeino poy exoyme na kanoyme ws kybernhsh einai na kanoyme th doyleia mas kai qa hmastan ajioi momfhs sthn periptwsh poy den kaname th doyleia mas, an krybame thn pragmatikothta ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai afhname na hmastan ekteqeimenoi me thn mh katabolh kapoias doshs. To oikonomiko epiteleio ths kybernhshs alla kai olh h kybernhsh doyleyoyme kai diasfalizoyme me poly sklhres synqhkes kai diapragmateyseis thn katabolh twn dosewn. Ara, as krinoyme ek toy apotelesmatos. Kai o ellhnikos laos poy dikaiologhmena agwnia, pragmati qa brei toys ryqmoys toy kai den qa ginetai ermaio kapoiwn diadosewn kai fhmwn, alla qa akoyei thn alhqeia kai thn pragmatikothta apo toys armodioys ypoyrgoys.

MIXAHL: Epeidh xqes plhroforhqhkame oti anablhqhke to Politiko Symboylio toy PASOK, poy htan na synedriasei shmera. Epeidh ginontai synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy tis opoies typikws den exei anakoinwsei to Grafeio Typoy qewrwntas oti einai mia synhqhs diadikasia. Epeidh yparxoyn kai kapoies alles syzhthseis genikoteres, qa hqela na sas rwthsw an epikeitai anasxhmatismos ta epomena 24wra.

PETALWTHS: Sas akoyw k. Mixahl kai moy qymisate thn prohgoymenh idiothta moy ws dikhgoroy, giati etsi legame ``epeidh'', ``epeidh'' kai katalhgame ekei poy qelame. Perimena na me rwthsete kati allo, alla eseis epanerxeste sto gnwsto kai oikeio qema toy anasxhmatismoy poy to exoyme akoysei kai to akoyme toses fores.

Den yparxei qema anasxhmatismoy. Exoyme - kai einai jekaqaro kai ayto to lew gia na baloyme mia tajh stis skeceis mas kai na apokaqistoyme kai na jexwrizoyme thn alhqeia apo tis fhmes - mprosta mas mia kybernhsh poy exei poly sygkekrimenoys, shmantikoys stoxoys kai ameses stoxeyseis, opws einai, gia paradeigma, to kleisimo toy mesoproqesmoy, mesa apo sklhres diapragmateyseis, poy ginontai me thn troika, wste na akoloyqhqoyn oi koinoboyleytikes diadikasies, gia na katastei kai nomos toy kratoys. Exoyme mprosta mia Synodo Koryfhs, poy einai poly shmantikh. Exoyme mprosta mas kai th synedriash toy Eurogroup. Ara, to na syzhtame, ayth th stigmh, gia anasxhmatismo, einai ektos pragmatikothtas. Ws kybernhsh, den mas afora o anasxhmatismos, alla h sklhrh doyleia poy exoyme mprosta mas.

Kai kleinontas, qa hqela na sas pw, gia na apokatasthsoyme thn alhqeia, oti shmera briskomai edw kai oxi sta Kalabryta poy den exw paei pote!

Sas eyxaristw.

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