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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 12 Maioy 2011

Ariqmos Deltioy: 331517281

Ekdosh 1

BRIEFNG(120511)

KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 12 Maioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Parakoloyqhsame, prin apo ligh wra, thn polydiafhmismenh kai ypotiqetai kostologhmenh protash ths N.D. kai toy k. Samara gia thn ejodo ths xwras apo thn krish.

Xairomaste poy mia seira apo protaseis, etsi opws emperiexontai sto programma toy k. Samara, einai hdh dikes mas, ylopoihmenes apofaseis, kaqws kai mia seira apo alles protaseis, einai toso anedafikes poy pragmatika xrhzoyn peraiterw epejergasias apo ton k. Samara kai apo th N.D.

Kai se ayto poy anefera, sto oti einai hdh dikes mas apofaseis, oi protaseis poy ekane o k. Samaras gia to mellon, qa moy epitrecete na anaferw endeiktika:

Ejhggeile thn katarghsh toy kwdika bibliwn kai stoixeiwn, otan emeis hdh to dromologoyme. Hdh, exei systaqei epitroph h opoia ergazetai panw se ayto to pragmatika poly sygkekrimeno kai krisimo qema gia toys epaggelmaties.

Ejhggeile thn aplopoihsh kai thn kwdikopoihsh ths forologikhs nomoqesias. Profanws, o k. Samaras kai oi epiteleis toy parakoloyqoyn apo konta tis ergasies ths kybernhshs. Na ypenqymisw oti se omilia toy k. Papakwnstantinoy stis 9 Maioy 2011, perigrafetai ep` akribws, h apofash kai o sxediasmos aytoy toy megaloy project.

Ejhggeile thn katarghsh toy poqen esxes se ola ta eidh ths katoikias gia tria xronia. Emeis, hdh, exoyme apofasisei kai perasei me nomo thn katarghsh toy poqen esxes ths prwths katoikias gia dyo xronia, etsi wste na paei mprosta h oikodomh.

Ejhggeile to perioysiologio. Emeis, hdh, me to nomo 3842/2010 qespisame synoliko perioysiologio, enw hdh xrhsimopoioyme to perioysiologio gia tis diastayrwseis twn akinhtwn.

Ejhggeile symchfismo twn ofeilwn toy dhmosioy. Emeis hdh apofasisame kai nomoqethsame ton symchfismo me to nomo 3943/2011 me sygkekrimenes proypoqeseis kai apaithseis oi opoies symchfizontai.

Ejhggeile fast track mikroterwn ependysewn kai epixeirhsewn, otan hdh brisketai pros chfish sth Boylh to fast track gia tis mikroteres epixeirhseis kai ependyseis. O k. Samaras h den to gnwrizei h en pash periptwsei to yioqetei kai ayto.

Pragmatika xairomaste, giati pera ap` ola ta alla, h N.D. arxise na deixnei toylaxiston, ena ixnos ajiopistias. Bebaia, h dikh mas diafora me th N.D. einai oti ola ayta emeis, ta entassoyme se ena synoliko plaisio gia thn ejodo ths xwras apo thn krish, mesa sto mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio, enw o k. Samaras epistrefei jana sto parelqon. Milaei gia epanekkinhsh. Den prokeitai gia epanekkinhsh, toylaxiston s` ayto, alla gia epistrofh sto parelqon. Giati polles ap` aytes tis protaseis erxetai kai tis anadeiknyei ws paroxes. Janagyrizei sthn paroxologia toy parelqontos.

Pragmatika, qeloyme na pisteyoyme oti apo edw kai pera, o k. Samaras kai h N.D. qa synaisqanqoyn thn poly megalh eyqynh poy exoyn ws komma ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, yioqetwntas estw kai me ayton ton tropo, protaseis kai apofaseis poy einai poly shmantikes gia thn politikh kai thn oikonomikh mas zwh.

Mia seira apo astoxies kai ablecies poy paroysiase shmera sto Zappeio, emeis, hdh, tis epejergazomaste. Qa tis ejhghsoyme leptomerws kai qa tis ejeidikeysoyme.

O k. Samaras, den mas eipe, gia paradeigma, poso htan to elleimma toy 2009, etsi wste na jekinhsei apo mia bash gia na kostologei kai na dromologei thn ypotiqemenh anaptyjh.

Den mas eipe poy qa brei ta xrhmata gia kapoies peraiterw paroxes, tis opoies ejhggeile apo to Zappeio 2.

O k. Samaras, estw kai thn teleytaia stigmh - akomh yparxei xronos - as dei to paradeigma ths Portogalias, to opoio epikaleitai, opoy ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs ypegracan th desmeysh toys, oti an erqoyn sthn kybernhsh qa thrhsoyn ayto to mnhmonio poy apofasise h kybernhsh.

O k. Samaras, as antilhfqei oti se ayto to mhxanismo sthrijhs, ton opoio bgainei kai katakrinei, perilambanontai mia seira apo apofaseis, tis opoies fernei shmera ws protaseis.

Gia to eqniko kai to koino kalo, pragmatika perimenoyme mia sobarh politikh apo th N.D. Perimenoyme na antilambanetai kai na ylopoiei osa ejaggellei. Fysika, xairetizoyme ta qetika, ean yparxoyn. Qa ta epejergastoyme kai pragmatika, an yparxoyn protaseis poy qewroyme oti einai gia to kalo ths xwras, emeis safws qa symfwnhsoyme, qa synainesoyme kai qa tis yioqethsoyme. Alla, toylaxiston, h taktikh ths N.D. as ginei pio eilikrinhs. Giati, epanalambanw, polles ap` aytes tis protaseis, einai apofaseis tis opoies o k. Samaras den exei chfisei.

Gia paradeigma as mas pei, giati katachfise sth Boylh to nomosxedio gia thn hlektronikh diakybernhsh, otan stoixeia ap` ayto to nomosxedio poy einai poly shmantiko gia thn patajh ths grafeiokratias kai gia thn ejyphrethsh toy Ellhna polith, perilambanontai stis shmerines toy ejaggelies. Einai mia antifash, apo thn opoia profanws, h N.D. den mporei na bgei, desmia kai toy parelqontos ths, alla kai twn shmerinwn epilogwn toy k. Samara. Elpizoyme, omws, oti ayto poy kanoyme ws ekklhsh emeis apo thn prwth stigmh poy analabame, dhladh thn eqnikh synennohsh, na thn antilhfqei h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh kai na thn kanoyme prajh gia to kalo ths xwras mas.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Proedros ths N.D. shmera kateqese th dikh toy synolikh protash gia thn oikonomia. Wstoso, sto politiko ths skelos proejoflhse oti oydemia synainesh qa yparjei me mia kybernhsh h opoia kata ton idio, akoloyqei mia teleiws esfalmenh poreia. Eseis synexizete kai shmera na apeyqynete ekklhsh gia eqnikh synennohsh kai malista prin apo ena lepto peripoy eipate oti elpizoyme na yparjei eqnikh synennohsh gia to kalo ths xwras. Poy brisketai, loipon, ayto to zhtoymeno, poy eseis onomazete paneqnikh systrateysh, exontas pleon kai thn prosfath arnhsh toy k. Samara;

PETALWTHS: Oi antifaseis toy kommatos ths N.D., genikotera alla kai eidikotera shmera, mesa apo to Zappeio 2, einai ejairetika polles. H antifash synistatai sto oti yioqetei dikes mas apofaseis poy hdh apoteloyn nomo toy kratoys. Einai megales tomes kai metarryqmiseis. Bebaia, tis paroysiazei ws protaseis gia to mellon ths N.D.

Den mporei na paradexqei rhta, oti aytos o mhxanismos sthrijhs ston opoio mphkame htan anagkaios, oti ayto to programma to opoio hdh ylopoiei h kybernhsh mesa apo to mnhmonio, alla kai to mesoproqesmo sxedio, einai synolikos sxediasmos gia th xwra, einai h monh lysh ejodoy apo thn krish. Aytes tis antifaseis kaleitai na diorqwsei o k. Samaras. Na stamathsei na einai desmios olwn aytwn twn diastayroymenwn kai polles fores antifatikwn politikwn ths N.D., gia na mporesoyme, epiteloys, na milame gia to kalo ths xwras.

MOYRELATOS: Na anadiatypwsw to erwthma. H epiteyjh synaineshs einai proypotiqemenh synqhkh gia thn epityxia ths xwras, toso sto oikonomiko, oso kai sto politiko skelos;

PETALWTHS: Emeis zhtame th synainesh kyriws gia to mellon ths xwras. Einai mia diarkhs prosklhsh kai proklhsh gia oles tis politikes dynameis, kyriws omws, gia thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh h opoia kai ferei barews thn eyqynh gia to pws fqasame shmera mexri edw. Giati, se mia koinoboyleytikh dhmokratia kai kyriws se mia xwra poy paroysiazei ayta ta problhmata -briskomaste sthn koryfwsh mias krishs - h synainesh einai zhtoymenh kai apaitoymenh, prokeimenoy na mporesoyme na bgoyme apo thn krish.

SIDERHS: Giati na sas deijei synainesh h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh; Thn kalesate otan ypografate ayto to mnhmonio poy telika einai apotyxhmeno; Enw den moirasthke thn eyqynh ths dhmioyrgias toy na moirastei mazi sas thn apotyxia toy;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, thn apotyxia toy, shmera, o k. Samaras thn anairei, otan yioqetei mia seira apo politikes. Apo ekei kai pera, safws kai thn kalesame, otan htan na chfistei ayto to mnhmonio. Htan paroysa sthn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Tote, phre mia qesh eqnika aneyqynh kai gia to mhxanismo, alla kai gia to mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio. Kalesame kai eggrafws malista, toys arxhgoys twn politikwn kommatwn na erqoyn, na kataqesoyn kai na syzhthsoyn tis protaseis toys, giati einai poly shmantiko gia mas, oti kataqetoyme gia th xwra, ena strathgiko plaisio poy jeperna mia koinoboyleytikh kai mia kybernhtikh qhteia. Parola ayta, h N.D., mesa se ena tetarto, xwris thn paramikrh protash aperrice ayth thn prosklhsh. Gi` ayto, akribws, leme oti estw kai twra, h N.D. as deijei mia stoixeiwdh ypeyqynothta. As deijei oti epiteloys antilambanetai to poly megalo xreos kai baros poy exei apenanti sth xwra, oxi apenanti sthn kybernhsh. Apenanti sto mellon ths xwras. Epiteloys as synaisqanqei tis eyqynes ths.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate nwritera pws an kapoies apo tis protaseis poy aneptyje shmera o k. Samaras qewrhqei h kriqei swsth qa yioqethqei apo thn kybernhsh. Dyo erwthmata: Prwton, se poies qa briskate kapoio pedio synennohshs, ap' aytes poy aneptyje o k. Samaras kai deyteron, pws apantate sto oti to proejoflhse ayto, legontas oti einai ``protaseis paketo'', einai synoliko sxedio kai oxi protaseis poy qa mporoysan na yioqethqoyn mia-mia apo alles politikes paratajeis.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola qa htan akairo kai arketa epipolaio mesa se mish wra na topoqethqoyme gia oles tis protaseis ths N.D. Emeis kanoyme mia genikh politikh topoqethsh. Kai fysika h sobarothta twn peristasewn katadeiknyei thn anagkh na yparxei mia leptomerhs diereynhsh twn protasewn ths N.D., toylaxiston aytwn poy emfanws exoyn kapoia sobarothta - kai den einai oles, bebaiws, etsi- kai apo ekei kai pera qa topoqethqoyme epishmws kai tekmhriwmena. Apo ekei kai pera, to ti qa yioqethsoyme emeis ws apoch kai to ti oxi, den mporei na mas to epibalei kaneis. Shmera, den fanhke oti ola ayta poy eipe o k. Samaras einai entagmena se ena synoliko strathgiko plaisio gia thn ejodo ths xwras apo thn krish. Einai skorpies protaseis, oi opoies einai apofaseis dikes mas. Einai skorpies protaseis oi opoies, kapoies ap' aytes, einai teleiws astoxes, me entono laikismo kai entonh paroxologia. Ekei, akribws, perimename apo ton k. Samara na einai pio ypeyqynos. Na ypobalei, shmera, ston ellhniko lao mia synolikh protash ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs ths xwras gia thn ejodo apo thn krish. Kati poy dystyxws den eidame shmera.

PAPPA: Qelete na kanete kapoio sxolio, kyrie Ekproswpe, gia ta epeisodia poy eginan xqes sto kentro ths Aqhnas kai ton barytato traymatismo anqrwpwn;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei sxetikh anakoinwsh moy. Epishs, yparxei anakoinwsh ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias, poy eixe kai thn epixeirhsiakh eyqynh ths diasfalishs ths tajhs stis xqesines diadhlwseis. Einai safes kai aytonohto oti ekfrazoyme thn poly megalh lyph mas gia ton traymatismo anqrwpwn, kaqws kai gia ton bary traymatismo enos sympolith mas. Hdh, apo thn prwth stigmh o Arxhgos ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias exei diatajei anakritikh diereynhsh gia to pws eginan ta xqesina epeisodia kai poy ofeilontai oi traymatismoi aytoi, paroysia Eisaggelews, eisaggelikoy leitoyrgoy kai iatrodikasth, oi opoioi episkefqhkan to Nosokomeio Nikaias. Alla, fysika, den mporoyme na mhn staqoyme sto gegonos oti kapoioi th bia th blepoyn monomerws. Kai kapoioi, ypotiqetai oti einai aytoi poy katadikazoyn th bia, einai kai aytoi poy thn prokaloyn, th dhmioyrgoyn h thn anexontai. Gi' ayton akribws ton logo, shmera, qa perimename apo ton Synaspismo kai ton SYRIZA na mas poyn ti zhtoysan oi dyo boyleytes toys, o k. Lafazanhs kai h ka Diwth, xqes, sto Geniko Kratiko Nosokomeio Nikaias. Oi opoioi phgan, af' enos men na elegjoyn tis astynomikes Arxes ti kanoyn ekei kai af' eteroy breqhkan me mia omada anqrwpwn oi opoioi sthn kyriolejia me enan tropo aparadekto eisebalan se ena kratiko Nosokomeio, dhmioyrghsan katastaseis biaiopragias, biaiopraghsan kata twn armodiwn Arxwn kai ola ayta paroysia Eisaggelea. Arnhqhkan, malista, na epitrecoyn ston iatrodikasth na kanei th doyleia toy.

Loipon, h bia qa prepei na katadikazetai ap' opoy ki an proerxetai. Qa prepei na yparjei kai qa yparjei, plhrhs dialeykansh kai diereynhsh sto poy ofeilontai oi traymatismoi kai poios eyqynetai gia toys traymatismoys twn diadhlwtwn. Apo ekei kai pera omws o SYRIZA, gia allh mia fora, deixnei akribws to pws aisqanetai thn dhmokratikh leitoyrgia, to pws antimetwpizei thn bia kai th nomimothta. Nomimothta se kamia morfh bias den yparxei. Kai malista otan feretai ws aytodikia kai poly perissotero otan ginetai mesa s' ena noshleytiko idryma, opws einai to Kratiko Nosokomeio ths Nikaias.

PAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mhpws eidate thn anakoinwsh twn giatrwn ths Nikaias, poy miloyn gia barytates eyqynes toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: Nai, diabasa thn anakoinwsh ths topikhs epitrophs ths EINAP, opoy pragmatika, enw perimena na dw thn iatrikh toys apoch kai fysika thn apoch toys ws syndikalistikoy organoy kai ws politwn, alla me thn idiothta twn giatrwn, anti loipon na blepoyme na katadikazontai biaies symperifores kai oi traymatismoi ap` opoy kai an proerxontai, diabasa para polla gia to ``kako mnhmonio''. Dhladh, mia politikh analysh poy den eixe kamia sxesh me to iatriko leitoyrghma poy klhqhkan na askhsoyn osoi thn ypegracan xqes sto Kratiko Nosokomeio Nikaias kai mia kaphleia, pragmatika, analogh me ayth twn boyleytwn toy SYRIZA. Qa prepei, loipon, na eimaste poly prosektikoi. Qa prepei pragmatika na mhn anexomaste th bia. Qa prepei pragmatika na diereynoyme, otan yparxei yperbash bias akomh kai apo kratika organa. Gi` ayto, h kybernhsh exei dwsei entolh gia diereynhsh twn gegonotwn. Alla, den mporoyme na dianohqoyme tetoioy eidoys symperifores, alla kai logikes, eite apo boyleytes ypotiqemenoy aristeroy kommatos, eite apo giatroys oi opoioi thn wra poy yparxei barys traymatismos enos sympolith mas, na katakrinoyn to mnhmonio kai tis politikes ths kybernhshs.

KOYTRAS: Qelw na janagyrisw ston k. Samara kai sta osa eipe shmera. Kai nomizw oti exei ena atoy o k. Samaras. Kai to atoy toy einai h apotyxia toy mnhmonioy k. Ekproswpe. Giati mporei na ton kathgoreite gia paroxologia, gia laikismo - kai kapoios mporei na diafwnhsei, na symfwnhsei h na kanei o,ti qelei- wstoso exei to atoy ths apotyxias toy mnhmonioy.

PETALWTHS: Kata thn apoch sas, profanws h toy k. Samara...

KOYTRAS: Kata thn apoch kai ths kybernhshs, apo th stigmh poy pame gia neo mnhmonio.

PETALWTHS: Kaqoloy. H kybernhsh oyte eipe pote, oyte prokeitai na pei, giati den exei thn apoch, oti apetyxe to mnhmonio. Qa prepei na ypenqymisoyme, prwta ston k. Samara alla kai pros oloys, oti an den yphrxe ayto to mnhmonio, ean den askoysame th sygkekrimenh politikh, shmera 18 mhnes meta thn analhch ths kybernhshs ths xwras apo to PASOK, den qa mporoyse o k. Samaras me mia poly megalh asfaleia, na diatypwnei tis protaseis toy sto Zappeio 2 h argotera sto Zappeio 3, den jerw ti qa akoloyqhsei, giati basizetai, akribws, panw sto oti h xwra den exei ptwxeysei. Giati, an pragmatika den yphrxe to mnhmonio, an den akoloyqoysame thn politikh poy akoloyqhsame, san bash kai an akoloyqoysame, poly perissotero, thn politikh ths kybernhshs ths N.D., opoy ypoyrgos ths htan o k. Samaras, qa eixe katastrafei h xwra pro polloy. Ara, tetoies logikes, oti exei apotyxei to mnhmonio, einai logikes ypokrisias. Ekeino to opoio exoyme na poyme, einai oti yparxei krish kai ayto einai safestato. To oti den exoyme fygei apo thn krish den shmainei oti apetyxe to mnhmonio. Oyte eixe yposxeqei kaneis, prin ena xrono, oti se ena xrono den qa yparxei krish kai oti se ena xrono qa exoyme mhdenisei ta elleimmata, opws eipe sto Zappeio 1 o k. Samaras. Ara, panw s` ayto to mnhmonio, sthn politikh aytoy toy mnhmonioy kaqetai shmera o k. Samaras gia na mporei na diatympanizei tis apoceis toy. Kapoies apo tis opoies einai swstes kai kapoies einai paroxologies kai xaidema aytiwn.

KOYTRAS: To neo mnhmonio h to neo plaisio, peite to opws qelete, as to poyme mesoproqesmo, pote qa exoyme mia sygkekrimenh ekqesh ths kybernhshs to ti perilambanei; Pote qa enhmerwqei o kosmos; Giati akoyme metra apo dw, pwlhsh ths dhmosias perioysias apo ekei, nea daneika, oxi daneika kai nomizw oti olh h ellhnikh koinwnia kai oi boyleytes sas, einai ligo xamenoi.

PETALWTHS: Nai. Mono poy, kyrie Koytra, ayta ta akoyme apo esas. Den ta akoyei h koinwnia apo emas. Emeis exoyme pei jekaqara oti yparxei ena mnhmonio. Den yparxei neo mnhmonio. Gia neo mnhmonio, akoyme apo ta Mesa. Yparxei ena mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio...

KOYTRAS: Sygnwmh.

PETALWTHS: Mhn me diakoptete.

KOYTRAS: Qa sas diakocw, miso lepto: Gia to neo mnhmonio akoysame apo anwtato stelexos toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn. Sygnwmh.

PETALWTHS: Poio einai ayto to stelexos;

KOYTRAS: Stelexos toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn. Mh moy zhtate na ton katonomasw.

PETALWTHS: Ma tote ti moy lete; Ara, to akoyme apo esas.

KOYTRAS: Oxi. Stelexos toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, thn Trith to apogeyma, milhse gia neo mnhmonio.

PETALWTHS: Nai... Poio einai ayto to stelexos;

KOYTRAS: E, den qa sas ton katonomasw. Ton prostateyw.

PETALWTHS: Ean den ton katonomasete, den isxyei h plhroforia sas. Epanalambanw, loipon, oti gia neo mnhmonio akoyei h ellhnikh koinwnia apo ta MME. Den yparxei neo mnhmonio, den yparxoyn ola ayta poy akoygontai. Ayto poy yparxei einai mia poly megalh epejergasia enos mesoproqesmoy strathgikoy sxedioy, to opoio einai xronika dromologhmeno. Qa katateqei thn epomenh ebdomada, etsi opws eixame pei kai qa chfistei peripoy se ena mhna. Qa katateqei sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai qa perilambanei o,ti prepei na perilambanei ena strathgiko sxedio poy einai pentaetoys pnohs kai mas bgazei, ws sxediasmo, apo thn krish. Kai fysika, apo th stigmh poy qa katateqei sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, qa egkriqei kai qa katateqei kai sth Boylh gia na tyxei ths koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias. Tote, o ellhnikos laos qa enhmerwqei, gi` ayto to mesoproqesmo sxedio. To opoio mesoproqesmo den einai mia syrrafh protasewn, einai ena oloklhrwmeno plaisio, xronika dromologhmeno, plhrws kostologhmeno kai to opoio qa dinei thn pnoh mias oloklhrhs pentaetias gia to mellon ths xwras.

PITTARAS: Otan zhtate th synainesh ths antipoliteyshs, qa prepei na dwsete kat' arxhn eseis to synqhma, pws thn ennoeite ayth th synainesh. Egw adynatw na pistecw oti eseis, ap' osa eipe o k. Samaras, den briskete oyte ena na mporeite na synainesete...

PETALWTHS: Den eipa ayto.

PITTARAS: ... 'H einai laqos ola ayta poy eixe pei o k. Samaras h einai swsta ta dika sas.

PETALWTHS: Oxi. Isa-isa, eipa akribws oti epifylassomeqa na apanthsoyme mia pros mia stis protaseis toy k. Samara. S' aytes poy einai hdh dikes mas apofaseis kai apoteloyn kai nomo toy ellhnikoy kratoys, den qa apanthsoyme. Apanthsame me thn prajh mas. Oses omws protaseis qewrhsoyme oti pragmatika einai logikes kai oti mporei na symbaloyn sthn ejodo ths xwras apo thn krish, safws kai qa tis yioqethsoyme. Ayto, omws, xreiazetai mia epejergasia, gia na mporoyme na leme oti eimaste sobaroi.

PITTARAS: Oi protaseis poy aforoyn ston poly kosmo kai exoyn na kanoyn me th meiwsh ths forologias poy akoysthke h me tis protaseis gia thn prwth katoikia tis qewreite eseis ws mh ylopoihsimes, ektos pragmatikothtas;

PETALWTHS: Ma, gia thn prwth katoikia, emeis hdh to exoyme ylopoihsei. Oson afora th meiwsh twn forologikwn syntelestwn, yparxei kai ws dikh mas apofash. Alla gia tis megales meiwseis twn forologikwn syntelestwn h gia tis diaforetikes meiwseis twn forologikwn syntelestwn opws eipe o k. Samaras, ean erqoyme aplws na tis yioqethsoyme gia na ``xaidecoyme ta aftia'' toy kosmoy, einai para poly eykolo. Gi' ayto lew oti emeis ola ayta ta entassoyme - kai tis apofaseis mas, alla kai thn tyxon yioqethsh protasewn toy k. Samara- se ena synolikotero plaisio. Den ``xaideyoyme aftia'', den kanoyme anejodh paroxologia, opws se kapoia shmeia toylaxiston ekane shmera o k. Samaras.

PITTARAS: Epishs, thn proklhsh poy sas aphyqyne peri eklogwn pws einai kalodexoymenes ean qelete na tis kanete;

PETALWTHS: Emeis exoyme pei thn apoch mas gia tis ekloges. Exoyme poly dromo mprosta mas. Eimaste se ligotero apo to meso mias tetraetias kai malista se epoxes poy kaqe skech gia ekloges mono blaptikh gia ton idio ton lao qa htan. Bebaia, o k. Samaras den eipe gia ekloges. Prospaqhse na ``rijei to mpalaki'' sthn kybernhsh. Toso kairo, erxetai kai katakrinei ta panta. Pantws, den exei milhsei gia ekloges. Ws gnwston, emeis exoyme jekaqarisei oti den prokeitai na ginoyn ekloges. Eimaste makria apo opoiadhpote tetoia skech. Exoyme, de, tekmhriwsei giati oi ekloges shmera qa hsan katastrofikes gia th xwra. Twra, to ti kanei kai to ti leei o k. Samaras h kai ti den leei mesa apo tis antifaseis toy, einai diko toy qema.

MPEKA: Gia to qema twn allodapwn: Poy paei h ypoqesh, kyrie Petalwth, me toys allodapoys; Xqes, esfajan enan 'Ellhna. To brady maxairwsan enan allodapo apo to Mpagklantes. Stis 4 h wra exoyme diamartyria sto shmeio poy peqane o 44xronos. Prin ligo kairo h ka Ntalara eixe pei oti osoi den exoyn adeia paramonhs, qa fygoyn apo th xwra. Ayto pote qa ginei;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola einai mia katastash poy den einai shmerinh. En pollois, ayth h katastash yparxei edw kai polla xronia. Den einai mia katastash poy oloklhrwqhke kai dhmioyrghqhke shmera, xqes h ton teleytaio enamish xrono. Emeis epejergazomaste ena oloklhrwmeno sxedio gia to kentro ths Aqhnas, giati epiteloys dikaioymaste oloi na exoyme prosbash sto kentro, prosbash me asfaleia kai me sigoyria gia th zwh mas kai gia thn anaptyjh ths perioxhs. Ayto to sxedio, se poly liges meres, qa anakoinwqei. Einai sxedio to opoio den perilambanei eykola astynomika metra, opws ginotan sto parelqon h opws qa mporoyse kaneis shmera na pei ypo to baros twn poly dysarestwn ejelijewn, alla apaiteitai oloklhrwmenos sxediasmos se polla epipeda kai oxi fysika mono se astynomiko epipedo. Ayto prospaqoyme na kanoyme. Qa proteinoyme sxedio to opoio einai oloklhrwmeno, to opoio exei jekaqarh antilhch gia to pws qa prepei na anamorfwqei to kentro ths Aqhnas, prokeimenoy na apokthsei jana ton poly shmantiko xarakthra poy eixe kapote kai poy prepei na anakthsei gia th zwh sthn prwteyoysa.

MPEKA: Ayto shmainei oti oi allodapoi qa fygoyn apo to istoriko kentro;

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai para poly aploysteytiko kai kaneis den mporei na to pei. Omws, h nomimothta qa einai ena stoixeio, to opoio qa prepei na kyriarxei, epiteloys, kai sto kentro ths Aqhnas, se antiqesh me o,ti symbainei ta teleytaia xronia.

MARAQIAS: Hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Ean telikws den yparjei synainesh politikwn kai koinwnikwn dynamewn sto programma poy qa anakoinwsete, qa proxwrhsete monoi sas h qa pate se ekloges;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, oytws h allws, mexri twra proxwroyme xwris th synainesh, dystyxws, ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Th zhtame omws, giati ayto einai eqnika epibeblhmeno. Den prokeitai na afhsoyme th xwra na katarreysei, epeidh den yparxei synainesh, alla qa htan poly shmantiko stoixeio - kai einai poly shmantiko stoixeio gia thn ejodo apo thn krish - na exoyme th synainesh twn politikwn dynamewn, oi opoies kapote qa prepei na arqoyn sto ycos twn peristasewn. Gi' ayto akribws eipa prohgoymenws oti o k. Samaras, otan mila gia thn Portogalia, pera apo ola ta anakoloyqa poy exei pei mexri twra kai poy den isxyoyn - giati h Portogalia einai mia allh periptwsh, thn opoia o k. Samaras den mporoyse na dianohqei gia thn Ellada - as dei to stoixeio ths synaineshs, to opoio yparxei, gia na bgei h xwra ayth apo thn krish. Akomh kai ypografh yphrxe apo thn antipoliteysh, oti ean kerdisei tis ekloges, qa thrhsei toys oroys ths symfwnias poy exei kanei h portogalikh kybernhsh. Makari na blepame estw kai liga h makari na doyme kai kapoia stoixeia tetoias symperiforas kai apo ton k. Samara.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh milate gia synainesh stis politikes dynameis toy topoy, synainesh zhthse kai o k. 'Oli Ren milwntas sto Eyrwpaiko Koinoboylio kai malista proxwrhse kai ena bhma pio pera, xarakthrizontas ceydepigrafh kaqe allh enallaktikh lysh sto sxedio poy ylopoieitai shmera. Exete ep' aytoy kapoio sxolio;

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy profanws kapoioi den mporoyn na antilhfqoyn sthn eswterikh politikh skhnh - kai ayth einai h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh - einai aytonohto oti qa eprepe na ginei apo ton Epitropo ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. O k. 'Oli Ren epibebaiwnei ayth thn anagkaiothta. Emeis, omws, den perimename ton k. 'Oli Ren, o opoios probainei se mia poly tekmhriwmenh protash gia synainesh. Emeis, edw kai 18 mhnes, ayto kanoyme. Apeyqynoyme diarkh proklhsh kai prosklhsh, eidika sthn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, xwris na afhnei tis idiaiteres politikes proseggiseis ths. Kai malista, exw pei kat' epanalhch oti ean h apofash gia th synainesh einai baria gia th N.D., as milhsoyme epiteloys gia mia eqnikh synennohsh, prokeimenoy na mporesoyme oloi mazi na bgaloyme th xwra apo thn krish, oso to dynaton syntomotera.

KEXAGIA: Mexri protinos gnwrizame oti to mesoproqesmo exei orizonta 2012-2015. Sas akoysa prohgoymenws na anaferesqe se ena 5etes programma poy qa dwsei pnoh sthn oikonomia. Epomenws, pame mexri to 2017;

PETALWTHS: Oxi, an metrhsei kaneis ton xroniko orizonta 2011-2015, einai pente xronia.

KEXAGIA: Emena den moy bgainei etsi h ariqmhtikh, pantws.

PETALWTHS: Etsi bgainei. Metrhste apo to 2011 mexri kai to 2015, einai pente xronia. Makari na hmastan se qesh na mporoysame na kanoyme sxediasmo akomh megalyterhs diarkeias.

MIXAHL: Exei problhma politikhs dieyqynshs h xwra, opws maqame oti eipe o k. Benizelos sth synedriash toy atypoy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy;

PETALWTHS: Elpizw na maqate ti eipe akribws, giati ekane dhlwsh dhmosia, ti ennooyse ws ``politikh dieyqynsh''. Kai safws ``politikh dieyqynsh'' einai kai h synainesh - ayto poy leme - twn politikwn dynamewn, alla kai h prajh kai twn koinwnikwn dynamewn panw se sygkekrimenh kateyqynsh. O oros ``politikh dieyqynsh'' einai poly pio eyrys ap' oso ton antilambanomaste me mia prwth matia. Einai akomh kai episthmonika tekmhriwmenos oros. O k. Benizelos ejhghse leptomerws ti ennoei.

PITTARAS: Pantws to prwi o k. Pagkalos oysiastika prokalese toys synadelfoys toy na poyn anoikta ean amfisbhtoyn ta kaqhkonta, opws toylaxiston ta askei o Prwqypoyrgos. Qa hqela na rwthsw ean o idios o Prwqypoyrgos aisqanetai oti amfisbhteitai apo orismenoys ypoyrgoys.

PETALWTHS: Ennoeitai oti den aisqanetai kati tetoio kai ennoeitai oti den yparxei amfisbhthsh. Exw pei polles fores oti ayto to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio doyleyei stis pio dyskoles metapoliteytikes synqhkes kai makari th leitoyrgia aytoy toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy na thn eixame se parelqoyses kybernhseis.

SIDERHS: O k. Giwrgos Panagiwtakopoylos, melos toy Politikoy Symboylioy toy PASOK, shmera metajy allwn eipe ``oi ekfrastes toy  yes men prepei na teleiwnoyn''. Etsi niwqete;

PETALWTHS: Egw proswpika;

SIDERHS: Ws kybernhsh.

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws oti ayth h kybernhsh doyleyei kai leitoyrgei me tetoio tropo, poy an leitoyrgoysan etsi prohgoymenes kybernhseis, den qa fqaname mexri edw.

SIDERHS: Kai kati allo: Me poio PASOK na symfwnhsei o k. Samaras; Me to diko sas h toy Panagiwtakopoyloy; Dedomenoy oti kai h ka Diamantopoyloy eipe oti to miso PASOK einai kata toy mnhmonioy.

PETALWTHS: Na mhn paizoyme me tis lejeis. To PASOK einai ena. Kai fysika yparxei kybernhsh me kyriarxh politikh boylhsh kai apofash.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exete anaferqei dis shmera sthn portogalikoy typoy synainesh, h opoia einai en pollois anwqen epiblhqeisa, apo thn E.E.. Proetoimazete to edafos gia tetoia synainesh kai sthn Ellada; Qewreitai dhladh oti qa askhqoyn isxyres pieseis kai pros thn pleyra ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs gia na synainesei;

PETALWTHS: Ma, ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws kai to lew kaqe fora, einai oti emeis den milame gia synainesh shmera. Milame gia synainesh edw kai 18 mhnes. Den einai kati to kainoyrgio. Opoy kai na cajete aytes oi anafores toy Prwqypoyrgoy yparxoyn panta, alla kai oi dikes moy sto epipedo ayto poy milame.

KOYTRAS: Qa epiqymoysate parembash ths troikas sth N.D. , gia na sas dwsei th synainesh poy o k. Samaras kai shmera eipe oti den sas dinei;

PETALWTHS: Elpizoyme, epanalambanw, oti h N.D. epiteloys qa synaisqanqei thn eqnikh ths eyqynh na erqei se mia eqnikh, toylaxiston, synennohsh, prokeimenoy na arqoyn aytes oi baries synepeies, tis opoies yfistameqa ws xwra, apo thn krish poy h idia h N.D. mas odhghse aqwrakistoys.

MARAQIAS: Eseis ws kybernhsh, symfwneite politika kai qesmika me mia tetoia parembash apo thn troika; Dhladh na ypoxrewsei nte kai kala, ena komma toy Koinoboylioy kai malista thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, opws lene toylaxiston oi fhmes kai oi plhrofories, na ypogracei; Oxi mono na chfisei alla kai na ypogracei ena keimeno, opws synebh sthn Portogalia;

PETALWTHS: Epi senariwn den qa apanthsw, fysika. H dikh mas boylhsh einai pragmatikh. H dikh mas prosklhsh gia eqnikh synennohsh einai pragmatikh kai apeyqynetai edw kai 18 oloklhroys mhnes.

KEXAGIA: Pisteyete oti... ena arni xairetai prin apo to Pasxa;

PETALWTHS: Nai. Einai ontws soyrealistikh h paroimia thn opoia apeyqyne o k. Samaras. Exei janaeipwqei. Kai h N.D. exei janapei paroimies, epi k. Karamanlh kai apodeixqhke oti ayto den ths bghke se kalo.

Sas eyxaristw.

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