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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 31 Martioy 2011

Ariqmos Deltioy: 324199241

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 31 Martioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

H eqnikh prospaqeia, h prospaqeia twn Ellhnwn politwn gia thn ejodo apo thn krish kai thn oikodomhsh enos diaforetikoy mellontos, exei mexri shmera diaceysei polles dieqneis kai egxwries fwnes, poy proejofloysan, ws Kassandres, th xreokopia, thn epistrofh sth draxmh, thn ejodo apo thn eyrwzwnh kai diafora alla eyfantasta senaria.

H prospaqeia ayth poy synexizetai me ameiwth entash kai shmera, qa diaceysei ek neoy osoys synexizoyn na apergazontai tetoioy eidoys senaria, drwntas polles fores - profanws- ysteroboyla. O kaqhmerinos aytos agwnas politwn kai kybernhshs, basizetai se prwtofaneis gia th xwra politikes diadikasies, opws einai h makroproqesmh stoxeysh, to sxedio, ta safh xronodiagrammata, to orama poy sxetizetai me to ti eidoys mellon epiqymoyme gia th xwra mas.

Fysikh synepeia aytwn einai oi megales allages, poy prowqoyntai se kaqe epipedo me grhgoroys ryqmoys gia ta politika dedomena ths epoxhs.

Katorqwsame oloi mazi na antistrecoyme mia poreia pros mia poly piqanh katastrofh, pros katastaseis poy mas odhgoyse, me maqhmatikh akribeia, h atolmia, sthn kalyterh periptwsh, ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs.

Einai xreos olwn mas shmera, na qymomaste apo poy jekinhse ayth h prospaqeia, pws hmastan prin apo 15 mhnes, ti ergo exei hdh ginei, ti ergo exei hdh dromologhqei apo ayth thn kybernhsh. Kai fysika, ta periqwria toy na prospaqhsoyme na eimaste pio synepeis, pio beltiwmenoi, sigoyra einai polla.

Einai, epishs, kaqhkon olwn mas na apotelesoyme emeis oi idioi toys qematofylakes twn qysiwn kai twn prospaqeiwn mas, wste na mhn epitrecoyme kanena piswgyrisma, kamia ypanaxwrhsh poy qa mporoyse na mas odhghsei se ena astato kai abebaio parelqon.

Anoikodomoyme th xwra mas, toys qesmoys mas, tis praktikes mas, tis antilhceis mas gia to kratos, th dhmosia dioikhsh kai thn oikonomia. H symmetoxh olwn twn ygiwn dynamewn einai aparaithth, giati prosdidei kyros, ajiopistia, entash kai orama stis prospaqeies mas.

Parakalw gia tis erwthseis sas.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, jerw oti den sxoliazete dhlwseis boyleytwn, wstoso, o k. Oikonomoy xqes eipe oti prepei h kybernhsh na kataggeilei th symbash toy mnhmonioy, kaqws den bgainei. Kai qelw na moy apanthsete ean me ayto to klima sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada, opoy enas boyleyths toy PASOK epishma paradexetai oti to mnhmonio den bgainei, oysiastika leei o,ti leei kai h antipoliteysh, mporei na proxwrhsei to programma to opoio exete.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, o k. Oikonomoy safws kai jekina apo mia diaforetikh afethria apo aythn poy jekina kai teleiwnei oytws h allws, dystyxws, h antipoliteysh. Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia gia mas einai oti ayto to programma bgainei kai ayto einai sto xeri mas giati ws xwra, ws politiko dynamiko kai ws kybernhsh, exoyme kaqe dynatothta na bgaloyme ayto to programma se peras. Kai ayto kanoyme mexri twra.

Sto qema ayto edwse, xqes, apanthsh, sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, o idios o Prwqypoyrgos, o opoios entopise oloys aytoys oi opoioi elegan mexri twra ``den mporei h Ellada'', ``den mporei h kybernhsh'', ``den bgainei to programma''. Apodeixqhke, omws, oti opoy qeloyme kai otan qeloyme, exoyme tis dynatothtes na bgaloyme se peras ayto to dyskolo ergo kai akomh dyskolotero. Kai ayto ginetai giati, akribws, den milame qewrhtika. Yparxoyn oi proypoqeseis, yparxoyn ta exeggya, yparxei ena teleiws eleyqero kai poly megalo pedio allagwn kai antlhshs porwn, etsi wste na mporesei na bgei ayto to programma mexri to telos toy mnhmonioy kai na pame apallagmenoi apo paqogeneies, alla kai apo ``yperbares'' ypoxrewseis pros ena diaforetiko mellon.

Einai jekaqarh h apanthsh ths kybernhshs oti: Safws ayto to programma bgainei. Kai bgainei giati yparxoyn oles oi proypoqeseis. Einai sto diko mas xeri na doylecoyme, na ejantlhsoyme kaqe periqwrio poy yparxei. H kybernhsh, oytws h allws, to kanei kai qa to kanei akomh pio entona. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaia, gia oloys aytoys poy lene oti den bgainei - kai anaferomai sthn antipoliteysh h kai se ejwpolitikoys kai ejwqesmikoys polles fores paragontes- qa qelame pragmatika thn idia eyaisqhsia na thn eixan deijei kai epi kybernhsews N.D., otan edhmioyrgeito to problhma. Alla en pash periptwsei, gia na mhn milame mono gia to parelqon, thn idia eyaisqhsia na deijoyn kai twra, symballontas sto na bgei epiteloys ena programma, poy exei amesh sxesh me to kalo toy ellhnikoy laoy.

XIDIROGLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, omada 17 boyleytwn toy kybernwntos kommatos, kateqese tropologia sto sxedio nomoy ``Prostasia toy antagwnismoy'' kai alles diatajeis, zhtwntas thn katarghsh ths ypoxrewshs dhmosieyshs isologismwn ston Typo. Kai ayto, xwris na lhfqei yp' ocin oti kati tetoio, ean yioqethqei, qa teqoyn se kindyno ekatontades qeseis ergasias. Malista, h ESHEA - nomizw- ejedwse kai sxetikh anakoinwsh. Poia einai telika h proqesh ths kybernhshs; Giati akoygetai oti h tropologia apesyrqh proswrina kai qa epanelqei.

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh nomoqetei basei mias sygkekrimenhs diadikasias. Sigoyra qa yparjei diaboyleysh kai to apotelesma ths nomoqethshs qa einai apokleistika to dhmosio symferon.

SPANOY: O k. Pantelhs Oikonomoy epanhlqe shmera, milwntas sto FLASH kai taxqhke enantion twn apokratikopoihsewn se DEKO dhmosioy xarakthra. Ep` aytoy, ti lete;

PETALWTHS: O k. Pantelhs Oikonomoy einai enas boyleyths toy PASOK. Ekfrazei apoceis, ekfrazei, isws, thn agwnia kai kapoiwn politwn, toys opoioys ekproswpei. To na yparxei genikws syzhthsh, den einai arnhtiko. O rolos ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PA.SO.K. einai pragmatika poly dynamikos rolos, poy isorropei ta pragmata se poly dyskoles epoxes. Ayto, omws, den shmainei oti qa prepei na egkataleicoyn tis apoceis toys. Alla kai h kybernhsh einai safestato oti leitoyrgei me tetoio tropo wste to dhmosio symferon gia to opoio einai tagmenh, na diasfalizetai me ton kalytero tropo. Ayto to gnwrizoyn oi boyleytes toy PA.SO.K. kaqws kai en genei oi boyleytes toy Ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy, anejarthta ti lene pros ta ejw h ti proseggiseis exoyn. Ayto, fysika, exei apodeixqei kai sthn prajh edw kai enamish xrono.

MOSXOBAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, polles fores, o Prwqypoyrgos exei topoqethqei sta ypoyrgika symboylia me safh tropo, qa elega, gia thn anagkh na enhmerwnoyn oi ypoyrgoi toys boyleytes. Xqes, eixame, qa to pw ``dhmosiografikh adeia'' ``pronoyntsiamento'' twn boyleytwn oi opoioi eipan oti den dinoyme leykh epitagh pia, den enhmerwnomaste apo toys ypoyrgoys. Onomastika ebgale mia anakoinwsh, amesws meta, o k. Boyros poy eixe to gnwsto epeisodio me ton k. Geroylano kai eipe oti den qelw na enhmerwnomai mesw toy Typoy. Ti protiqetai na kanei h kybernhsh gia na mhn epanalhfqoyn ayta ta fainomena;

PETALWTHS: Emeis eimaste mia kybernhsh poy doyleyei. H Koinoboyleytikh Omada einai mia omada poy doyleyei me ryqmoys poy den exoyn sxesh me aytoys toy parelqontos. Gi` ayto, akribws, yparxei kai mia poly megalh dynamikh. Otan ginetai doyleia qa yparxoyn tetoioy eidoys fainomena. To qema einai oti h kybernhsh prospaqei mesa apo mia syllogikh, alla kai apo mia atomikh diadikasia na exei diasyndesh me toys boyleytes. Opoy yparxei kapoia arryqmia h opoy yparxei kapoio elleimma einai qema synennohshs twn ypoyrgwn me toys boyleytes. Pisteyw oti ta pragmata se genikes grammes pane para poly kala s` ayto ton tomea. Einai pragmatika dyskolo na akoloyqhsoyn oloi toys ryqmoys me toys opoioys doyleyei h kybernhsh kai poy parakoloyqoyn oi boyleytes. H anhsyxia kai h agwnia einai se tetoia entash poy polles fores dhmioyrgei tetoioy eidoys qemata. Ejalloy, akomh kai se eyrytero epipedo ginontai diadikasies, etsi wste na yparxei diasyndesh twn ypoyrgwn me toys boyleytes kai ta stelexh toy PA.SO.K. Den einai tyxaio oti aytes tis meres sta grafeia toy PA.SO.K. ginontai syskeceis, ana perifereia, opoy symmetexoyn ypoyrgoi, boyleytes kai stelexh, prokeimenoy na yparxei h kalyterh diasyndesh, oxi gia na ginontai alloy eidoys taktopoihseis, alla gia na mporoyn oi ypoyrgoi kai ta stelexh na ginoyn apodektes toy palmoy twn politwn, poy ekproswpoyntai apo toys boyleytes. Fysika, yparxei kai mia amfidromh sxesh gia na ejhgeitai kalytera stoys boyleytes kai sta stelexh to ergo ths kybernhshs, poy polles fores, logw toy fortoy, den mporei na ejhghqei oso xreiazetai.

MOSXOBAS: Mia dieykrinish. H kybernhsh pisteyei oti osoi boyleytes antidroyn h diatypwnoyn antistoixa parapona stis sxetikes epitropes, ta KTE ktl, to kanoyn apo proswpiko kinhtro, epeidh osmizontai anasxhmatismo endexomenws kai qeloyn na ypoyrgopoihqoyn;

PETALWTHS: Sthn kybernhsh, safws kai den yparxei tetoia apoch. An legetai kati, ayto den einai apoch ths kybernhshs. To antiqeto sas eipa. H kybernhsh symmerizetai thn agwnia kai to megalo ergo poy kanoyn oi boyleytes. Yparxei pantote pedio synergasias, oxi mono me toys boyleytes toy PASOK, alla me oloys toys boyleytes toy Ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy, giati den perisseyei kaneis s` ayth th dyskolh fash poy pernaei h xwra mas.

MOSXOBAS: Xqes diapistwsa oti yphrje ena epikoinwniako mparaz apo treis toylaxiston ypoyrgoys, an sygkrathsa ton ariqmo, oi opoioi dieceysan oti h kybernhsh den leei olh thn alhqeia. Yposthrijan oti leei olh thn alhqeia, dhladh. To antiqeto eixe yposthrijei mia mera nwritera o k. Loberdos. Telika, exei pei olh thn alhqeia h kybernhsh h oxi; Kai giati krinate aparaithto na bgeite na to yposthrijete epikoinwniaka ``adeiazontas'' enan ypoyrgo, o opoios, qymizw, eixe pei palaiotera oti ``stegnwse'' h xwra, den ``exoyme oyte salio'' apo xrhmata sta tameia kai mallon dikaiwqhke. Mhpws dikaiwqei kai s` ayth thn problech, s` ayto ton isxyrismo;

PETALWTHS: To oti den yphrxan xrhmata sto tameio, logw ths politikhs ths N.D., to legame oloi mas. Den to elege mono o k. Loberdos. O k. Loberdos eixe ena pio sxhmatiko tropo na to pei. To oti bghkan xqes ypoyrgoi kai eipan kati diaforetiko, opws lete eseis, einai qema ekfrashs twn ypoyrgwn. Safws kai den yparxei kanena organwmeno sxedio enantion toy gia na diaceysqoyn h na diaskedastoyn oi agwnies toy k. Loberdoy. O k. Loberdos einai ypoyrgos, eklegmenos boyleyths, gnwrizei poly kala ti diakybeyetai sth xwra. Ejefrase thn agwnia toy kai thn apoch toy. Oytws h allws, den htan katakritikos kai kakws mpainw sth diadikasia na to ejhghsw. To qema einai safes: Oloi mas leme thn alhqeia. Kai ayth h kybernhsh to exei qesmoqethsei kiolas. Gia paradeigma, to oti h Ellhnikh Statistikh Yphresia einai pleon anejarthth Arxh kai den diafenteyetai oyte apo kapoion ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn, oyte apo kanena allo kentro ths kybernhshs, opws ginotan sto parelqon, einai mia jekaqarh qesmikh topoqethsh ths kybernhshs, etsi wste na mh dianoeitai kaneis na mhn leei pleon thn alhqeia. Ara kai qesmika, se ena poly megalo baqmo toylaxiston, kleinoyn oles ekeines oi diodoi kai oi dromoi, etsi wste na mporei kapoios na apokrycei thn alhqeia. Oytws h allws, omws, akomh kai na yphrxan tropoi, einai ejw apo th boylhsh ayths ths kybernhshs na mh leei thn alhqeia. Kai o Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, eipe oti ofeiloyme na bgoyme kai na ejhghsoyme ston kosmo ti akribws ginetai. Kai to oti prepei na leme thn alhqeia - kai thn alhqeia th leme, symplhrwnw egw- einai kati poy isxyei gia olh thn kybernhsh.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie ypoyrge, o ekproswpos ths N.D. shmera epanhlqe sto qema twn ypobryxiwn kai eipe oti h N.D. zhtaei ton orismo efeth anakrith gia thn ypoqesh ayth. Exete kapoio sxolio;

PETALWTHS: Oson afora eidika sto qema twn ypobryxiwn, prwta ap` ola, na ypenqymisw oti h kybernhsh htan ayth poy eixe thn politikh prwtoboylia, poy epemene kai epelhfqh to SDOE ton Aprilio toy 2010, mesa apo tis ereynes poy einai entagmeno na kanei kai me deyterh ereyna ton Ioynio toy 2010. Einai mia ypoqesh poy jekinhse sto plaisio oxi mono ths qewrhtikhs proseggishs, alla kai ths praktikhs ths kybernhshs: Ola sto fws, kamia skia. Me ayto kinoymaste mexri kai shmera. H diadikasia mesw toy Eisaggelea oloklhrwqhke, perimenoyme na diabibastei ayth h ypoqesh sth Boylh kai qa doyme an yparjoyn eyqynes politikwn proswpwn.

To na kanei ypodeijeis h N.D. pros th Dikaiosynh, pws qa prepei na drasei, nomizw oti eidika gia th N.D. - poy synexizei ayto to qema- einai arketa ypokritiko, otan gnwrizame dyo pragmata: Prwton, to pws xeiristhke oles ekeines tis ypoqeseis oi opoies htan terastia skandala epi twn hmerwn ths, kleinontas th Boylh, paragrafontas tis eyqynes twn ypoyrgwn ths, egkataleipontas thn aiqoysa ths Olomeleias toy Koinoboylioy, ontas kybernhtikh pleiochfia. Kai deyteron, pws xrhsimopoihse th Dikaiosynh, prokeimenoy na kalyptei ta dika ths skandala. Kati poy fysika, oyte to ena oyte to allo, exoyn sxesh me tis logikes kai praktikes ths kybernhshs. Emeis pisteyoyme oti h Dikaiosynh kanei th doyleia ths, jerei na kanei th doyleia ths. Apo ekei kai pera, qa prepei kai emeis, ws politikh hgesia, na ejakoloyqoyme na kanoyme th doyleia mas, sto plaisio toy kanona poy exoyme kai poy diepei pleon thn praktikh mas kai th logikh mas: Ola sto fws. Ara, to na anhsyxei twra h N.D. gia to dhmosio xrhma, einai ligo kaqysterhmeno, ligo argoporhmeno. Kai epeidh ayto den exei sxesh mono me thn praktikh toy parelqontos ths, alla kai thn praktikh toy parontos ths, den peiqei kanenan gia th boylhsh ths na yparxei pragmatika dialeykansh opoiasdhpote ypoqeshs politikoy xrhmatos poy erxetai sto fws.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh ektos apo ton k. Oikonomoy, yparxei kai eteros boyleyths toy PA.SO.K. o k. Androylakhs, o opoios leei shmera oti einai laqos to mnhmonio kai prepei na pame se mia anadiarqrwsh, hqela na sas rwthsw, epeidh akoysa me prosoxh oti zhthsate apo osoys kataggelloyn to mnhmonio na deijoyn eyaisqhsia se ayth thn prospaqeia poy kanete, an ayto isxyei gia toys boyleytes sas kai oysiastika toys kaleite na chfisoyn ta nomosxedia sas.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, h chfish twn nomosxediwn den exei kamia sxesh me olo ayto. Epanalambanw, oti h Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PA.SO.K. mesa apo dyskoles synqhkes epitelei arista to rolo ths. To na ekfrazontai anhsyxies einai zhthma toy kaqe boyleyth. Emas, ayto poy mas endiaferei einai o rolos toy boyleyth kai malista se dyskoles synqhkes na pragmatwnetai kai na epayjanei thn isxy toy oso to dynaton perissotero. Den epiqymoyme kai den qa mporoyse na einai oi boyleytes toy PA.SO.K. ek ths fysews toys kai ek twn pepoiqhsewn toys enas stratos poy aplws na chfizei nomosxedia. Den qeloyme kai den qa qelhsoyme pote na exoyme boyleytes kai oyte qa dexontan oi boyleytes mas aplws na chfizoyn kai na mhn ekfrazoyn apoceis. Ayto poy eipa, to eipa gi` aytoys oi opoioi ypokrinontai oti endiaferontai kai kanoyn protaseis gia to mnhmonio. Ayto, pragmatika, einai ypokritiko. O,ti yparxei ws eilikrines kai ws eilikrinhs agwnia, einai qemito kai den kindyneyei oyte h xwra, oyte h kybernhsh, oyte kanena nomosxedio apo thn alhqeia, thn opoia oytws h allws, zhtame kai emeis.

SPANOY: Gnwrizete oti edw kai meres sernetai mia fhmh gia enan prwhn ypoyrgo ths N.D., o opoios me bash diarroes exei yperogkes kataqeseis sto ejwteriko. Qelw na sas rwthsw, an me tetoioy eidoys diarroes qewreite oti ikanopoieitai h syllogikh agwnia gia thn hqikh diastash sth dhmosia zwh.

PETALWTHS: Oxi bebaia. Mono oi prajeis kai oi politikes apofaseis mias kybernhshs kai toy politikoy kosmoy, mporei pragmatika na ikanopoihsoyn to aisqhma toy aploy polith gia dikaiosynh. Ejalloy, den gnwrizw apo poy proerxontai aytes oi diarroes. Kai ws pros th diereynhsh aytwn twn ypoqesewn kai to jekaqarisma aytwn twn diarrown, oi idioi oi boyleytes ths N.D. zhtoyn apo th dikaiosynh na epilhfqei, prokeimenoy na diereynhqei kai na diapistwqei poios einai aytos o ypoyrgos. H kybernhsh den asxoleitai me diarroes. H kybernhsh pisteyei mono se qesmikes diadikasies. Kai fysika, emeis den prospaqoyme na broyme kapoio tropo, wste na dhmioyrghsoyme qeamata ta opoia den exoyn sxesh me thn aponomh ths pragmatikhs dikaiosynhs. An ontws yparxei kapoios prwhn ypoyrgos ths N.D. h opoiosdhpote allos, yparxoyn oi diadikasies, oi qesmoi kai ta organa na to diereynhsoyn. Se ayto to plaisio kai mono, mas endiaferei.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, blepw mia analysh sto bloomberg, opoy leei oti h Ellada qa prepei na spasei to tampoy ths pwlhshs ghs ean qelei na meiwsei to xreos kai epishmainei oti kanenas jenos ependyths den qa qelhsei na misqwsei akinhta, ta opoia qa anaptyjei me ton tropo poy qa toy ypodeijei h kybernhsh. Se ena tetoio klima, olh h istoria me thn ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias se ti stadio brisketai;

PETALWTHS: H ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias proxwraei me thn katagrafh. Oytws h allws, xqes perase apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio h systash ths Genikhs Grammateias mesw toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, opoy qa asxoleitai me thn ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias, dhladh se anwtero qesmiko epipedo, etsi wste na yparxoyn kai oi texnokratikes yposthrijeis panw se ayto to qema. To ti anaferei kai to ti sxoliazei ena eidhseografiko deltio, den afora thn kybernhsh. Kati tetoio, apo opoion kai an proerxetai, qa mporoyse na exei polles anagnwseis. Ayto poy endiaferei thn kybernhsh einai na katartistei to syntomotero to dynato, ena sxedio -kai ayto ginetai- kai fysika na ylopoihqei, etsi wste ayth h kataspatalhmenh h sthn kalyterh periptwsh adranopoihmenh dhmosia perioysia, na ajiopoihqei me ton tropo poy mono h kybernhsh qa krinei. Kai den qa dexqei ypodeijeis apo opoiondhpote allo ektos politikhs diadikasias poy mporei na proerxontai gia opoiondhpote logo kaloproaireta h me alloys skopoys.

KOYTRAS: Enhmerwqhkame xqes, oti mexri tis 15, ektos apo to mesoproqesmo programma, thn ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias, qa perasoyn kai ta opoia diorqwtika metra xreiastoyn gia to 2011. Mporeite na mas dwsete mia geysh apo ta metra;

PETALWTHS: Otan anakoinwqoyn, qa ta plhroforhqeite.

KOYTRAS: Den qa aforoyn, omws, misqoys kai syntajeis.

PETALWTHS: Exoyme pei epaneilhmmenws oti den milame gia misqoys kai syntajeis. Dystyxws, ws koinh gnwmh, exoyme taytisei ta metra me perikoph misqwn kai syntajewn. 'Omws metra einai kai oi diarqrwtikes allages, einai h peristolh twn dapanwn. Eytyxws, kapoioi alloi exoyn frontisei prin apo mas, na yparxei poly megalo periqwrio sthn epibolh, oxi metrwn, alla sth lhch tetoiwn apofasewn.

MOSXOBAS: Mia dieykrinish ep' aytoy: Metra omws einai kai h ayjhsh toy FPA, gia paradeigma, h ayjhsh twn emmeswn forwn. Den einai mono h meiwsh misqwn kai syntajewn.

PETALWTHS: Perimenete na deite tis apofaseis.

MOSXOBAS: Qa periexontai kai tetoia h ta diaceydete ki ayta;

PETALWTHS: Oi apofaseis qa sxediastoyn kai qa anakoinwqoyn armodiws.

MOSXOBAS: Nai. Giati diaceydete to ena kai den diaceydete to allo;

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa se genikes grammes to perigramma toy poies qa einai aytes oi apofaseis.

XIDIROGLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, anhsyxei h kybernhsh gia thn katastash poy epikratei stoys Dhmoys Aqhnaiwn kai Qessalonikhs; Kai sas erwtw giati h yfistamenh katastash ephreazei thn poiothta shmantikoy meroys toy plhqysmoy ths xwras.

PETALWTHS: Ennoeite toys symbasioyxoys kai tis katalhceis; Se ti akribws anaferesqe; 'H genikws se poia katastash breqhkan oi Dhmoi Aqhnwn kai Qessalonikhs;

XIDIROGLOY: Sas erwtw gia thn yfistamenh katastash.

PETALWTHS: H opoia, omws, exei sxesh me thn prohgoymenh katastash. H yfistamenh katastash, dystyxws, einai akribws o,ti egine me th xwra, otan paralabame apo th N.D. Dhmoys, oi opoioi hsan boythgmenoi sta ejoda. Dhmoi oi opoioi apasxoloysan ypallhloys h synergates me proslhceis kai me tropoys, oi opoioi kaqe allo para nomimoi kai qemitoi hsan, me apotelesma na diogkwnontai ta xreh toys kai na mhn parexetai to endedeigmeno epipedo yphresiwn stoys polites, opws qa eprepe na pareixeto.

Ws pros to qema twn symbasioyxwn, oi opoioi dhmioyrgoyn ena megalo zhthma, einai akribws apotoko mias pelateiakhs logikhs poy epikratoyse kai ston Dhmo Aqhnaiwn kai ston Dhmo Qessalonikhs, kaqws kai se polloys alloys Dhmoys ths xwras. Tis synepeies ayths ths pelateiakhs logikhs plhrwnoyme mexri shmera. Omws, apo ekei kai pera, qa prepei na jekaqarisoyme oti yparxei nomimothta. Nomimopoihsh kanenos den prokeitai na ginei apo aytoys poy den thn dikaioyntai. Kata synepeia, osoi den mporoyn na antilhfqoyn ton rolo toys h nomizoyn oti mporoyn na piesoyn h na ekbiasoyn, me diaforoy eidoys symperifores, profanws den exoyn antilhfqei ti ginetai.

Ayth h kybernhsh den piezetai kai den ekbiazetai. 'Exei mprosta ths to dhmosio symferon. 'Exei mprosta ths th nomimothta. 'Exei pro polloy aporricei tis pelateiakes sxeseis kai me aytoys toys ajones poreyetai. Synepws, h yfistamenh katastash stoys proanaferqentes Dhmoys exei ws apanthsh ayta poy anefera prohgoymenws.

XIDIROGLOY: Skopeyei h kybernhsh na parei mia prwtoboylia h na kanei mia xeironomia kalhs qelhshs stoys katoikoys ths Kerateas, wste na ektonwqei h katastash kai na mhn bgei ektos elegxoy;

PETALWTHS: Pragmati, h katastash sthn Keratea safws kai den einai kalh. Qa prepei oloi na antilhfqoyn oti h kybernhsh kanei to kaqhkon ths. Kai qa to kanei, oso mporei, me ton kalytero tropo. Epanalambanw omws oti qa prepei apantes na antilhfqoyn oti to dhmosio symferon proexei twn proswpikwn antilhcewn kai proseggisewn. To tonizw kai pali: Qa prepei oloi mas na antilhfqoyme oti prepei na yparxoyn eidikoi xwroi, opws qa eprepe na yparxoyn, gia th leitoyrgia twn opoiwn qa eprepe hdh na exei yparjei pronoia kai merimna edw kai polla xronia. Kai edw akribws egkeitai kai h eyqynh ths topikhs aytodioikhshs. Synepws, einai anepitrepto kapoies memonwmenes omades politwn na anastatwnoyn to sympan h na arnoyntai na epitrecoyn sto dhmosio na askhsei tis leitoyrgies toy.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw an yparxei dysareskeia sthn kybernhsh apo ton tropo poy kalyptetai to kybernhtiko reportaz kai pws qa prepei na apokaloyme mia syskech metajy ypoyrgwn, an oxi diypoyrgikh.

PETALWTHS: Profanws anaferesqe s' ayta poy eipe xqes o Prwqypoyrgos.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Anaferomai s' ayta poy eipe xqes o Prwqypoyrgos.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, o Prwqypoyrgos den eipe ayto poy eseis molis diatypwsate sthn erwthsh sas. Kat' arxas, oi syskeceis den payoyn na einai syskeceis, eite ypoyrgikes eite diypoyrgikes eite alloy eidoys. Ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos einai oti ayth h kybernhsh, epeidh doyleyei, kaqe syskech ths den mporei na anagetai se megalo gegonos, opws ginotan epi N.D. opoy synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy eqewreito kati to prwtognwro.

Safws, eseis oi leitoyrgoi toy Typoy, exete to dikaiwma, alla kai thn ypoxrewsh na kalyptete tis kaqe eidoys syskeceis. Omws, ayto poy sxoliase o Prwqypoyrgos einai oti den noeitai h apomonwsh ptyxwn kai h apospasmatikh paroysiash mias syskechs, otan s' aythn exei paraxqei shmantiko ergo. Kai ayto afora oxi mono toys dhmosiografoys, alla oloys anejairetws: Den mporoyme na apomonwnoyme kapoia shmeia oiasdhpote syskechs, ta opoia kinoyntai mallon sth sfaira ths parapolitikhs kai den aforoyn thn politikh ayth kaq' aythn.

Kai epitrecte moy, epishs, na ypogrammisw oti oydepote o Prwqypoyrgos dienohqh na probei se opoiadhpote ypodeijh gia ton tropo ths dhmosiografikhs kalychs toy kybernhtikoy reportaz, ektos ean osoi to kalyptoyn exoyn alloy eidoys yponoies h opws leei kai h laikh paroimia ``opoios exei th myga mygiazetai''.

MOSXOBAS: Kai omws, kyrie Ekproswpe, ypodeijh htan. To ti qa anadeiknyei mia efhmerida, an qa einai parapolitiko h politiko...

PETALWTHS: Kaqoloy ypodeijh. O Prwqypoyrgos ofeilei - kai ayto epraje- na dinei to politiko stigma sto ti ennooyme ``politikh'' kai ti ``parapolitikh''. Ypodeijh den egine. Kai den qa mporoyse na ginei apo mia kybernhsh, h opoia exei apodeijei oti ton Typo kaqe allo para xeiragwghmeno ton epiqymei. H paroysa kybernhsh exei apodeijei, edw kai enamish xrono, oti oi praktikes ths se sxesh me thn epikoinwnia kai ton Typo apexoyn parasaggas apo tis praktikes toy parelqontos kai kyriws ths kybernhshs Karamanlh.

MOSXOBAS: Ayto poy hqela na rwthsw einai to ejhs: 'Exei yponoia o Prwqypoyrgos oti yparxoyn ``baqeia laryggia'' sthn kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Ti ennoeite;

MOSXOBAS: Ennow oti einai safes ayto poy eipe xqes. Xrhsimopoihse mia ekfrash toy patera toy kai ayto einai, pragmati, endiaferon, ej oswn emperiexontai sto apomagnhtofwnhmeno keimeno poy mas estalh, to gegonos oti bgainoyn epimeroys diafwnies ypoyrgwn, meta apo aytes tis syskeceis. 'Htan systash toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros toys ypoyrgoys na stamathsoyn na miloyn stoys dhmosiografoys; Ti htan akribws;

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos ekane mia proseggish gia to poia einai ta shmantika politika gegonota kai poia den einai, ta opoia omws metafrazontai ws shmantika. Ayth h proseggish toy Prwqypoyrgoy aphxei kai thn apoch ths kybernhshs. Apo ekei kai pera, epafietai ston kaqena na askei th dhmosiografia, opws aytos krinei. Kai mhn jexname pws h grafida einai enas tropos askhshs ejoysias. 'Opoios omws askei ejoysia kata to dokoyn, elegxetai.

Sas eyxaristw.

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