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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 21 Martioy 2011

Ariqmos Deltioy: 322585010

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BRIEFING (210111)

KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 21 Martioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri kai kalh ebdomada.

Me ameiwth entash synexizoyme thn prospaqeia mas sto epipedo ths E.E. gia na diasfalisoyme ta qetika symperasmata poy proekycan apo thn atyph Synodo Koryfhs.

Den efhsyxazoyme oyte lepto. Antiqeta briskomaste se diarkh egrhgorsh. Mia egrhgorsh poy aposkopei prwtistws sto na diasfalistoyn oi qysies twn Ellhnwn politwn, kai oi prospaqeies poy katabalame oloi kai synexizoyme na katabaloyme.

Apodeijame oti diaqetoyme thn aparaithth ajiopistia, to sxedio kai th meqodo, alla kai th fwnh poy apaiteitai gia na diekdikoyme ta dikaia mas. Ayto einai idiaitera shmantiko giati oloi antilambanomaste oti stis diapragmateyseis - kai malista me 17 h 27 xwres - me syxna antikroyomena symferonta, tipote den xarizetai apo kanenan, gia kanena logo kai tipote den qewreitai aytonohto.

Apaiteitai systhmatikh proseggish twn qematwn, dhmioyrgia symmaxiwn poy emeis prowqoyme, qetontas tis dikaies protaseis mas, alla kai megala qemata ajiopistias.

Exoyme labei tis apofaseis poy prepei, exoyme apodeijei se oloys pws eimaste eilikrineis kai kyriws oti diaqetoyme thn aparaithth boylhsh na taktopoihsoyme, epiteloys, ta megala ekkremh zhthmata. Na mhn epitrecoyme pote jana se kanenan na ferei th xwra sthn katastash poy oloi gnwrizoyme.

Ayto to antilambanontai oloi sto eswteriko, alla kai sto ejwteriko kai gi` ayto oi protaseis mas pleon, exoyn allo eidiko baros. Den ejantloyntai sta stena dika mas symferonta, alla antiqeta yioqetoyntai apo eyryteres symmaxies kai apoteloyn synolikes eyrwpaikes lyseis, tis opoies epidiwkoyme, fysika, me kaqe qemito kai nomimo tropo.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, teleytaia plhqainoyn kapoia fainomena trampoykismwn kata politikwn oysiastika, apo dhqen - qa elega egw - aganaktismenoys polites. Qa hqela na rwthsw, an ayta ta fainomena anhsyxoyn thn kybernhsh, poso mallon poy ap` o,ti exw plhroforhqei kai sth Syro yphrje mia omada h opoia epixeirhse na mpei s` ayto to klima.

PETALWTHS: Na jekaqarisw, apo thn arxh, ena pragma: Emeis qa eimaste pantoy. Ayth h kybernhsh brisketai kai qa brisketai pantoy, opoy yparxei xwros gia na epilyqoyn ta problhmata twn Ellhnwn politwn. Emeis eimaste aytoi oi opoioi askoyme thn politikh ejoysia kai thn kybernhsh ths xwras stis pio dyskoles metapoliteytikes synqhkes kai kaneis den mporei na tromokrathsei ayth thn kybernhsh.

Ayto to paramyqi me toys aganaktismenoys polites, me tis gnwstes omades twn aganaktismenwn politwn, to exoyme biwsei kai to exoyme plhrwsei, ws ellhnikos laos, edw kai dekaeties. Den qa epitrecoyme na to epanaferei kamia ma kamia dynamh. Oson afora, eidika sthn paroysia toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai twn ypoyrgwn sthn perifereia, aytoi oi opoioi prospaqoyn na empodisoyn h mallon elpizoyn, oneireyontai na empodisoyn thn paroysia mas ston kosmo, qa prepei na mas poyn giati tosa xronia oi kybernhseis kai idiaitera ta teleytaia eji xronia htan ejafanismenes apo thn perifereia, apo ta problhmata ths ellhnikhs perifereias kai toy ellhnikoy laoy. Kai twra poy yparxei mia kybernhsh me Prwqypoyrgo kai me ypoyrgoys, me synexh paroysia ston kosmo, stoys xwroys opoy yparxoyn problhmata, prospaqoyn na mas apotrecoyn na briskomaste ekei.

Gi` ayto stelnw to mhnyma apo to bhma ths enhmerwshs: Emeis qa eimaste pantoy. Aytoi oi fqhnoi laikismoi kai oi dhqen eykoles diamartyries, den prokeitai na mas apotrecoyn apo th doyleia mas. Enoxes qa prepei na exoyn aytoi poy prospaqoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn ena klima tromokrathshs. Einai jekaqaro - to exoyme pei polles fores kai to lew gia allh mia fora apo edw - oti kaqenas exei dikaiwma na diamartyretai. Ayto einai safes. Kaqenas exei dikaiwma na exei tis protaseis toy, na exei tis diaforetikes proseggiseis toy se ola ta epipeda, ap` ayto poy kanei shmera h kybernhsh, alla, kaneis den dikaioytai, oyte na amayrwnei, alla oyte, kyriws, na empodizei thn paroysia politikwn opoydhpote epiqymoyn kai otan malista exoyn sxesh me thn epilysh twn problhmatwn twn politwn. Osoi nomizoyn oti mporoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn mia tetoia katastash exoyn alla sto myalo toys kai planwntai oiktra. Ayto einai jekaqaro.

KOYTRAS: Na mas peite kat` arxas, an exoyn onomatepwnymo aytoi kai an proerxontai apo sygkekrimeno kommatiko xwro, ti exoyn sto myalo toys - ayto poy eipate - kai an symfwneite me ayto poy eipe o k. Pagkalos to prwi, me aformh ton prophlakismo poy dexqhke sta Kalybia, oti ean tyxon ginei dolofonikh apopeira enantion toy, hqikos aytoyrgos qa einai o k. Tsipras.

PETALWTHS: To onomatepwnymo aytwn poy ta kanoyn, safws kai den mporw na to pw, den to gnwrizw kai oyte yparxei logos na to maqoyme, ws onomatepwnymo. To qema einai oti exoyn sygkekrimenh ideologia kai h ideologia ayth einai na apomakrynqoyn apo toys polites oi politikoi kai kyriws h kybernhsh, h opoia yperaspizetai ta symferonta twn Ellhnwn politwn me ton pio endedeigmeno kai me ton pio ergatiko tropo. Twra, sto poioi sygklinoyn s` aytes tis apoceis kai s` aytes tis protaseis kai kyriws se aytes tis prajeis, o ellhnikos laos mporei na bgalei ta dika toy symperasmata. Kaloyme, gia allh mia fora, oles tis politikes dynameis anejairetws, toylaxiston aytes poy ekproswpoyntai sto Koinoboylio, na katadikasoyn rhta kai kathgorhmatika tetoioy eidoys energeies poy diafeygoyn kai poy den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn ekdhlwsh kapoias diamartyrias.

Jekaqarizw: Den yparxei periptwsh na ypokycoyme se tetoioys ekbiasmoys, se tetoies tromokratikes, oysiastika, energeies, ypo thn ennoia oti prospaqoyn na mas tromokrathsoyn. Emeis kaqistoyme safes oti den fobhqhkame kai den fobomaste na prospaqoyme na ta bgaloyme pera me th megalyterh krish poy perase h xwra mas apo th metapoliteysh kai meta, me tis pio dyskoles kai antijoes synqhkes stis opoies ergazomaste. Ara, opoioi pisteyoyn kai prospaqoyn na ephreasoyn kai toys ypoloipoys polites, oti ayto einai to pio endedeigmeno metro sto na diamartyrhqoyn, -ektos toy oti einai mia poly mikrh meiochfia kai apodeiknyetai ayto- alla qa prepei na analambanoyn kai thn eyqynh gia o,ti ginotan, ginetai kai qa ginetai. Ayto einai jekaqaro.

KOYTRAS: Gia ton k. Pagkalo; Ean aspazeste ayto poy eipe o Antiproedros ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: Poio dhladh;

KOYTRAS: O k. Pagkalos sthn prwinh ekpomph toy MEGA eipe oti se periptwsh dolofonikhs apopeiras enantion toy, hqikos aytoyrgos qa einai o proedros toy SYRIZA k. Tsipras.

PETALWTHS: Den qa sxoliasw ayta poy anefere o k. Pagkalos. Profanws exei toys logoys toy, exei tis protaseis toy, exei toys isxyrismoys toy. Alla den mporw na mh sxoliasw oti o k. Pagkalos ginetai dekths mias epaneilhmmenhs aparadekths symperiforas. Ayto den exei kamia sxesh, oyte me thn askhsh politikhs, alla oyte kai me thn eirhnikh kai logikh diamartyria twn politwn. Ara, opoioi kataferontai me ton tropo poy kataferontai kai enantion toy k. Pagkaloy, empiptoyn se ola ayta poy anefera prohgoymenws.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na anadiatypwsw to erwthma toy synadelfoy. Qewreite oti to mhnyma poy stelnete shmera, apo ayto to bhma ths enhmerwshs, opws eipate, to symmerizontai oles oi politikes dynameis poy briskontai entos toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy; Kai an den to symmerizontai oles, poies ektimate oti einai aytes poy den to symmerizontai kai ara ypokinoyn, ypodaylizoyn tetoies energeies; Giati fobaste, dhladh, na peite to onoma toys;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den fobamai tipote. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Egw den mporw na milhsw gia tis alles politikes dynameis. Milaw gia th qesh ths kybernhshs. To antiqeto ekana. Kalesa oles tis politikes dynameis jekaqara kai me logia, alla kyriws me prajeis kai xwris ypobolimaies energeies na katadikasoyn ayta ta fainomena kai na perifroyrhsoyn thn omalothta ston politiko bio kai thn paroysia politikwn se opoiesdhpote sygkentrwseis krinoyn oti qa prepei na paristantai. Den qa prepei, oyte na ypertimoyme, oyte na ypotimoyme tipote. Fainetai poies meiochfies einai aytes poy prospaqoyn na perasoyn ena tetoio klima. Aytes oi meiochfies den mas aforoyn. Ayto, akribws, tonisa kai sthn arxh: Qa eimaste pantoy. Bgainoyme ston kosmo. Eimaste ston kosmo kai fysika opoiadhpote allh prooptikh kai epidiwjh prospaqhsoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn, safws kai qa peftei sto keno.

Ayth th stigmh, emas mas problhmatizoyn oles oi dysarestes katastaseis poy pernaei o Ellhnas poliths. Aytes prospaqoyme na antimetwpisoyme me kaqara politiko tropo kai me thn politikh kai fysikh mas paroysia. Fysika, einai jekaqaro oti den prokeitai na kanoyme pisw gia kanena logo.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh taxqhke asmenws me th symmaxia twn proqymwn kata ths Libyhs. Poios einai o sebasmos sthn aytonomia kai thn aytodiaqesh twn kratwn afenos kai afeteroy o k. Papandreoy eipe oti h prospaqeia einai na swqoyn anqrwpines zwes. Oi zwes twn enoplwn ejiswnontai me toys aploys aoploys polites kai exete apodeijei oti htan aoploi polites aytoi poy skotwqhkan sth Libyh h enoploi antartes;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den taxqhkame me kamia symmaxia kata ths Libyhs. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Exoyme sygkekrimenh qesh, exoyme sygkekrimenes apoceis, kataqesame sygkekrimenes protaseis kai h emplokh mas exei sygkekrimenoys ajones kai oria. H Ellada, h ellhnikh kybernhsh, h xwra mas sebetai thn apofash 1973 toy Symboylioy Asfaleias, opws sebetai kai tis symbatikes ths ypoxrewseis apenanti stoys dieqneis organismoys stoys opoioys ekproswpeitai kai stoys opoioys symmetexei. Ayth h symmetoxh exei kaqara yposthriktiko xarakthra. Oi stoxoi ths apofashs toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE einai jekaqaroi kai panw s` aytoys toys stoxoys exoyme kai emeis tis protaseis kai tis apoceis mas. Aytoys toys stoxoys symmerizomaste kai tipote parapera.

SIDERHS: Moy epitrepete kai mia allh erwthsh; Symmerizetai h kybernhsh tis apoceis poy grafthkan apo tis diarroes gia ta Wikileaks sthn ``Kaqhmerinh'', oti o k. Pagkalos einai Maoikwn epidrasewn kai epirrown;

PETALWTHS: Pagia qesh mas einai na mhn xarakthrizoyme kai na mhn sxoliazoyme opoiesdhpote diarroes sxoliwn kai otidhpote allo diarreei. Emeis eimaste ypeyqynh kybernhsh. Apantame se ypeyqynes aitiaseis kai sygkekrimena zhthmata. Opoiesdhpote diarroes opoiondhpote presbeiwn den mas aforoyn.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sta Sabbatiatika kai Kyriakatika fylla, parakoloyqhsame mia seira ypoyrgwn na ekfrazontai me ton enan h ton allo tropo se synenteyjeis toys gia ena yperfilodojo programma twn 50 dis eyrw apo tis apokratikopoihseis to opoio den prokeitai na bgei. Exei kata kapoio tropo dixasei thn kybernhsh; Yparxei kapoia apanthsh, ws pros ayto;

PETALWTHS: Safws kai den yparxei dixasmos sthn kybernhsh, ws pros ayto. Nomizw oti oses synenteyjeis exw diabasei toylaxiston, ypoyrgwn, den katalhgoyn sto oti den qa bgei ayto to programma. To oti ayto to programma xarakthrizetai filodojo, ontws einai ena filodojo programma, to opoio, omws, exei kai realistikes stoxeyseis. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti yparxei ena terastio pedio sto qema ajiopoihshs ths dhmosias perioysias. Me dedomeno oti epi polles dekaeties afhname, ws kratos, th dhmosia perioysia, eite na xanetai kai na thn ekmetalleyontai diaforoi, xwris na mporoyme na thn elegjoyme, eite sthn kalyterh periptwsh h poly megalh dhmosia perioysia htan kai einai anajiopoihth. Exoyme ypoxrewsh, xwris na mas to exei epibalei kaneis, ayth th dhmosia perioysia na thn ajiopoihsoyme kai ayto eprepe na to kanoyme edw kai polles dekaeties. Apo ekei kai pera, qa ginoyn kai oi apokratikopoihseis. Apokratikopoihseis poy exoyn san stoxo na meiwqei kai to dhmosio xreos poy einai ejairetika shmantiko kai exei ameses synepeies kai sthn kaqhmerinothta toy Ellhna polith, alla me stoxeyseis, xwris genikeyseis, xwris genikothtes, me plhrh aitiologhsh, me apokratikopoihseis poy qa exoyn anaptyjiako kai koinwniko xarakthra. Den qa prepei na jexname oti h ekmetalleysh ths dhmosias perioysias, alla kai opoies apokratikopoihseis qa feroyn qeseis ergasias, qa feroyn ryqmoys anaptyjhs poy pragmatika einai poly shmantikoi kai akrws wfelimoi gia th shmerinh periodo. Kai fysika, ekei kinoymaste. O stoxos twn 50 dis eyrw einai filodojos, alla sygxronws deixnei kai thn kateyqynsh. Mporei na fainetai majimalistikos, alla kata baqos kai kata bash einai realistikos stoxos, arkei na kanoyme th swsth doyleia poy hdh programmatizetai.

TSIKRIKA: Na epanelqw ligo sto qema ths Libyhs. Poso anoixto einai kyrie Ekproswpe to endexomeno h Ellada na emplakei se stratiwtikes epixeirhseis, se bombardismoys, efoson se ayto to kommati epixeirhsei to NATO synolika;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei periptwsh na emplakoyme se polemikes epixeirhseis. Epanalambanoyme oti o xarakthras emplokhs ths xwras mas, qa einai yposthriktikos, sto plaisio twn symbatikwn mas ypoxrewsewn.

SPANOY: Qa systaqei Ejetastikh Epitroph gia tis dhmosionomikes alxhmeies;

PETALWTHS: S' ayto exoyme apanthsei kat' epanalhch. To qema paramenei anoikto. Ta stoixeia ths oikonomias ta opoia dinontan plasta kai parapoihmena stoys etairoys mas, me apotelesma na ftasoyme sthn shmerinh oikonomikh katastash poy exoyme ftasei, einai ena qema pros diereynhsh kai fysika den to egkataleipoyme.

NEDOS: Hqela na rwthsw o k. Pagkalos shmera to prwi eipe oti ejakoloyqei na pisteyei pws h katallhlh onomasia gia thn prwhn Gioygkoslabikh Dhmokratia ths Makedonias einai ``Makedonia''. Einai proswpikh toy apoch h einai apoch ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: Poy to exei dhlwsei ayto o k. Pagkalos;

NEDOS: Sto MEGA.

PETALWTHS: Kai ti dhlwse; H anafereste sta Wikileaks ;

NEDOS: Sta Wikileaks to eixe pei, alla rwthqhke epi toytoy kai eipe oti ``ejakoloyqei na einai ayth h apoch moy''.

PETALWTHS: H opoia sygkekrimena poia einai;

NEDOS: Oti h PGDM qa eprepe na legetai ``Makedonia''.

PETALWTHS: Den mporw na sas apanthsw, giati den gnwrizw pws eipwqhke apo ton k. Pagkalo. Oi diarroes kati tetoio elegan, alla epanalambanw oti oi diarroes den mas aforoyn, den tis sxoliazoyme kai h ajiopistia toys elegxetai.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, fobatai h ellhnikh kybernhsh antipoina apo to kaqestws Kantafi, me dedomeno oti o Kantafi exei apeilhsei oloys osoi symmetexoyn s' ayth thn epixeirhsh kai opws symmetexei h Ellada s' ayth th symmaxia;

PETALWTHS: Ta antipoina den ta fobomaste. Yparxei plhrhs diasfalish s' ayton ton tomea. Ep' aytoy yparxei plhrhs kai diejodikh apanthsh toy ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas toy k. Benizeloy. Den yparxei dynatothta tetoiwn antipoinwn.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, apo thn eikona poy exei h ellhnikh kybernhsh apo th Synodo ths Symmaxias h ths Eyrwmesogeiakhs Synergasias to Sabbato sto Parisi, exei katalabei h kybernhsh giati to NATO h h Gallia, h Bretania kai oi HPA bombardizoyn th Libyh; Na petyxoyn ti akribws; Dhladh, h epomenh mera exei skiagrafhqei me ton enan h me ton allon tropo h aplws twra efarmozoyme dyo chfismata toy OHE kai den exoyme kamia apolytws eikona gia to poy qa odhghqei kai pws qa diamorfwqei to politiko skhniko sth Libyh, meta apo thn epembash twn Dytikwn;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, to politiko skhniko sth Libyh den mporoyme kai den prepei na to kaqorisoyme emeis. Emeis kai oi symmaxes xwres ayto poy kanoyn einai na efarmostei h Apofash 1973 toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE poy einai poly sygkekrimenh kai fysika den apotelei emplokh sthn politikh katastash ths Libyhs. Alla den mporei na ginei anekth h xrhsh bias, h dolofonia amaxoy plhqysmoy kai gi' ayton akribws ton logo einai poly sygkekrimenos o stoxos kai h apostolh twn symmaxikwn dynamewn, kaqws kai o yposthriktikos rolos ths xwras mas. Ayto poy mas endiaferei einai na diafylajoyme kai na epifylajoyme sth Libyh to dikaiwma ths, mesa apo dhmokratikes diadikasies poy qa epilejei o libykos laos, na apofasisei gia tis istorikes stigmes poy dierxetai h xwra toy.

KOYTRAS: Me toys bombardismoys symfwnei h ellhnikh kybernhsh h diafwnei;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei ep' aytoy safhs topoqethsh apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo Giwrgo Papandreoy, kaqws kai apo toys ypoyrgoys Ejwterikwn kai Eqnikhs Amynas Dhmhtrh Droytsa kai Eyaggelo Benizelo, poios einai o xarakthras ths emplokhs toy ellhnikoy kratoys. Yparxei h apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias. Ekei apofasisthkan oi stoxoi. Apo ekei kai pera, emeis exoyme mia poly sygkekrimenh emplokh.

SIDERHS: Ep' aytoy: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ektos apo th Libyh yparxei kai to Mpaxrein opoy mphkan ta saoydarabika strateymata kai esfajan kosmo, epeidh eixe ta idia synqhmata me ayta poy eixan sth Libyh kai sthn Tynhsia. Yparxei h Yemenh poy sfazetai kosmos, giati exoyn ta idia synqhmata. Kai yparxei kai h Akth toy Elefantostoy. Giati ayth h epilektikh xrhsh bias mono sth Libyh; Mhpws einai kai to petrelaio kai symballei h ellhnikh kybernhsh se ena diagoymisma toy oryktoy ploytoy ths xwras; Giati h Yemenh den exei petrelaio, oyte h Akth toy Elefantostoy.

PETALWTHS: Eidika ayth h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei apodeijei oti diaqetei sygkekrimena antanaklastika kai sygkekrimenoys ideologikoys ajones ws pros thn aytodiaqesh twn lawn. Hdh, yphrje kai mia ejairetikh dhlwsh ths Sosialistikhs Dieqnoys poy synedriase proxqes to Sabbato sthn Aqhna, me krithrio kai kyrio ajona th Dhmokratia. Se ayth th dhlwsh anaferetai kai o ideologikos xarakthras ths apochs kai twn protasewn poy exoyme gia ta dieqnh gegonota kai gia ta tektainomena. Safws kai den mpainoyme se tetoioy eidoys syzhthseis. Apo ekei kai pera, h apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias afora th Libyh, exei jekaqara xarakthristika, jekaqarh aitiologia kai sygkekrimenoys logoys. Den prepei na anamignyoyme to ti ginetai se olo ton ypoloipo kosmo me ayto poy ginetai sth Libyh.

SIDERHS: Mia poy to anaferate, o k. Papandreoy milhse proxqes sto proedreio ths Sosialistikhs Dieqnoys gia metamonternes ejegerseis. An aytes oi metamonternes ejegerseis den fqasoyn se peras kai parameinoyn oi hgesies twn kratwn ws exoyn, pws qa exete diakratikes sxeseis kai pws qa kanete doyleia th stigmh poy xairetizete. Eseis den eiste ena kinhma aktibistiko h ena komma mikro ths antipoliteyshs. Eiste kybernhsh. Pws qa kanete doyleies me aytoys toys anqrwpoys meta;

PETALWTHS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh me plhrh periskech, me sobarothta, me cyxraimia, me apofasistikothta kai me megalh prosoxh parembainei me ton tropo poy qewrhse kai ekrine skopimo, xwris stratiwtikh emplokh, qetontas sygkekrimenoys stoxoys, me gnwmona panta toys pagioys ajones askhshs ths ejwterikhs politikhs kai genikws paroysias ths sta dieqnh gegonota. Akribws ayth h stash ths einai poy kanei apofasistikh akomh kai th symmetoxh ths. Ej alloy, den prepei na jexname oti, sth Synodo twn Parisiwn to perasmeno Sabbato, o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos ekane sygkekrimenh protash: Na ejantlhqoyn oles oi diplwmatikes meqodoi, akomh kai me thn apostolh kapoiwn arxhgwn kratwn, prokeimenoy na yparjei mia ektonwsh, prin arxisoyn oi polemikes epixeirhseis. Kriqhke apo ekeinh th Synodo oti yparxei qema ajiopistias toy libykoy kaqestwtos. Kai emeis, ws xwra, ws kybernhsh - kai ayth htan dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy- qa prepei na kratame anoikto kai to endexomeno ths diplwmatikhs odoy, akomh kai twra poy exoyn arxisei oi polemikes epixeirhseis, etsi wste pantote na einai efikth mia lysh poy na einai lysh eirhnikh, dikaih kai fysika dia ths diplwmatikhs odoy. Kai aytes edw akribws einai oi protaseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ws Prwqypoyrgoy ths Elladas, alla kai ws Proedroy ths Sosialistikhs Dieqnoys. Protaseis poy emperiexoyn sygkekrimenh ideologia kai sygkekrimenh optikh twn pragmatwn.

TSIKRIKA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei mia plhroforia oti kapoioi boyleytes exoyn arxisei kai mazeyoyn ypografes gia na qesoyn to aithma sth Boylh na systaqei proanakritikh epitroph gia ta omologa. Yparxei ayth h skech sthn kybernhsh; Einai kati poy qa ginei amesa h einai apla mia fhmh;

PETALWTHS: Einai kati to opoio den exei kaqoristei xronika. Pantws, qa ginei.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, germaniko periodiko isxyrizetai oti sto politiko grafeio toy k. Loberdoy exoyn topoqethqei 20 atoma ta opoia malista plhrwnontai kai yperwries kai nykterina. Isxyei ayto;

PETALWTHS: Ontws yparxei ena dhmosieyma poy anaparagetai apo ellhnikh efhmerida. Ayto poy exw na pw einai oti, edw kai xronia, exei epilegei ena sygkekrimeno systhma: O nomos stelexwshs twn ypoyrgikwn grafeiwn poy isxyei apo to 1985. Ayto to systhma akoloyqeitai apo oles tis kybernhseis, edw kai xronia. Einai ena systhma, poy etsi opws efarmozetai shmera apokleiei thn proslhch dhmosiwn ypallhlwn apo toys ypoyrgoys. Dyo einai oi kathgories ypallhlwn poy symfwna me ton nomo, basei sygkekrimenoy kai periorismenoy ariqmoy, dikaioyntai oi ypoyrgoi na proslaboyn: Oi metaklhtoi synergates oi opoioi apoxwroyn otan lhgei h qhteia toy ypoyrgoy sto sygkekrimeno ypoyrgeio kai oi apospasmenoi oi opoioi epistrefoyn stis yphresies toys ap' opoy apospasthkan. Ara, den yparxei kamia ayqaireth proslhch. Kai to dhmosieyma, to opoio afhnei na ennohqei oti ginetai spatalh sto sygkekrimeno grafeio ejw apo thn logikh kai thn praktikh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, den eystaqei. To sygkekrimeno grafeio den barynetai me kamia peraiterw dapanh, peran ekeinwn poy problepontai apo ton nomo. Ej alloy, epeidh exw milhsei me ton k. Loberdo, gnwrizw oti oi qeseis poy problepontai gia to ypoyrgiko grafeio toy den exoyn ejantlhqei. Dhladh, dikaioytai qeseis tis opoies den exei kalycei, par' olo poy prokeitai gia synergates toy, gia ypallhloys se olh thn klimaka, apo thn fylajh mexri episthmonikoys synergates, oi opoioi safws kai ergazontai Sabbatokyriaka kai nykterines wres. Exoyn de mia paroysia se ena ypoyrgeio to opoio exei poly sygkekrimenh doyleia, opws gnwrizoyme, eidika ton teleytaio xrono. Ayth einai h apanthsh. Fysika, kaqenas mporei na krinei ean oi isxyrismoi kai ayta ta opoia legontai exoyn bash kai gia poion logo grafontai.

MIXAHL: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Shmera, jekina sth Xagh h diadikasia ths anaptyjhs twn qesewn meta thn prosfygh poy exoyn kanei ta Skopia kataggellontas thn endiamesh symfwnia me thn Ellada. Thn Tetarth kai thn Pempth, an den kanw laqos, isws Pempth kai Paraskeyh einai h seira ths Elladas na kataqesei tis dikes ths protaseis. Hqela na sas rwthsw, loipon, ean h endiamesh symfwnia synexizei na yfistatai gia thn ellhnikh pleyra kai deyteron, tis qeseis poy qa anaptyjei h ellhnikh pleyra, qa mas tis anakoinwsete afoy oloklhrwqei ayth h diadikasia;

PETALWTHS: Afoy oloklhrwqei h diadikasia, qa doqei apanthsh sthn erwthsh sas.

MIXAHL: Isxyei h endiamesh symfwnia;

PETALWTHS: Qa moy epitrecete na mhn apanthsw, giati yparxei se ekkremothta dikastikh diadikasia.

KOYTRAS: Epeidh erwthqhkate prin apo ton synadelfo, gia ton k. Pagkalo gia ta osa eipe peri Skopiwn sthn prwinh ekpomph toy MEGA, prin apo ligo o ekproswpos ths N.D. ebgale mia anakoinwsh opoy kalei ton Prwqypoyrgo na parei metra enantion toy k. Pagkaloy gi' ayth th qesh toy.

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa oti den gnwrizw ti akribws eipe o k. Pagkalos sto MEGA. Gnwrizw gia polla alla poy eipe. Aythn omws th qesh den thn akoysa na thn ekfrazei. Oson afora sthn aitiash toy ekproswpoy Typoy ths N.D. poy eseis moy th lete twra - profanws twra ekdoqhke - eimaste synhqismenoi o k. Mixelakhs, kaqe ebdomada, na egkalei kai kapoion ypoyrgo ths kybernhshs. Na stoxopoiei h N.D. kapoion ypoyrgo kai na zhta thn paraithsh toy apo thn kybernhsh. Einai mia taktikh kai mia meqodos apopoihshs dikwn toys eyqynwn gia polles politikes, oi opoies apodeixqhkan katastrofikes gia th xwra mas. Einai profanws mia taktikh kai mia meqodos poy den diaqetei kai th deoysa sobarothta.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dyo erwthseis. Na epistrecw ligo stis antidraseis, sta proswpa pollwn politikwn kai dh kybernhtikwn. Hqela na jerw pws skopeyete na tis antimetwpisete mia kai hdh yparxoyn fhmes gia epikeimenes tetoies antidraseis. Exw akoysei hdh ton k. Pagkalo oti qa kanei mhnyseis, epesan kai dakrygona shmera sth Syro - den jerw an aytos einai o pio endedeigmenos tropos. H deyterh erwthsh moy. Epeidh anaferqhkate stis protaseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Parisi, an katalabainw kala, ayto poy proteine o Prwqypoyrgos einai h diplwmatikh odos. Ara den eisakoysqhke. Ara, giati enhmerwnete ayrio th Boylh kai den phrate thn egkrish ths protoy sympleysete me tis apofaseis ths Gallias kai ths Bretanias;

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw thn prohgoymenh apanthsh moy: Emeis qa eimaste pantoy. Kai ayto qa prepei na to ensternistoyn kai na to deijoyn oles oi politikes dynameis. Oso den yparxei mia katadikh kai mia jekaqarh qesh paromoia me aythn ths kybernhshs, oti oi politikes kai oi politikoi krinontai me sygkekrimeno tropo kai oxi me prospaqeia katatromokrathshs kai mh fysikhs paroysias mesa stoys polites, tote qa yparxei problhma. Emeis dinoyme to stigma mas kai thn kaqarh politikh mas apofash.

Sthn anafora sas gia ta dakrygona sth Syro, yparxei kai h antidrash me meqodoys kai se meqodeyseis poy kaqe allo, para synadoyn me th Dhmokratia. Epanalambanw oti den qa dexqoyme na epixeirei kaneis na tromokrathsei thn kybernhsh h opoiondhpote politiko epiqymei na parastei anamesa stoys polites. Den qa empodisei kanenas thn paroysia toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai twn ypoyrgwn, eidika sthn perifereia, poy epi xronia eixe na dei Prwqypoyrgo kai ypoyrgoys. Gi` ayto, akribws, kalesa prohgoymenws kai tis politikes dynameis na jekaqarisoyn th qesh toys: Prwton, oti den sthrizoyn tetoies energeies kai deyteron, oti jekaqara tis katadikazoyn.

Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, o Prwqypoyrgos ayto poy ekane, htan na probalei thn apoch kai th qesh ths Elladas. Eprepe na krinetai ws poly qemito kai poly qetiko oti ayrio o Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwnei th Boylh gia thn katastash sth Libyh, kaqws kai gia th qesh poy diamorfwnei h ellhnikh kybernhsh. Einai jekaqaro oti h apofasistikothta toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs eprepe na einai amesh kai malista otan den yparxei emplokh se polemikes epixeirhseis. Ara, to na prospaqei na emfanistei oti einai prwqysterh h enhmerwsh, nomizw oti den prosidiazei me thn pragmatikothta kai thn orqh politikh boylhsh ths kybernhshs.

KOYTRAS: Exei ginei polys logos gia thn istoria toy prophlakismoy toy k. Pagkaloy den exei ginei polys logos kai me eyqynh twn Meswn isws gia to qema ths Kerateas. Kai epeidh pali eixame epeisodia xqes brady kai epeidh o xronos piezei gia na breqei mia lysh, poia einai h grammh, poia einai h kateyqynsh ths kybernhshs kai ti qa kanei me to sygkekrimeno zhthma;

PETALWTHS: Ontws yparxei mia katastash h opoia kaqe allo para kalh mporei na kriqei. Mia katastash poy qa prepei na thn doyme apo oles tis pleyres gia na mporoyme na thn krinoyme. Den noeitai na yparxoyn perioxes poy na biwnoyn katastaseis poliorkias apo sygkekrimenes omades. Den mporei na yparxoyn perioxes poy na einai pragmatika kateilhmmenes apo sygkekrimenes omades. Ekeino to opoio prospaqei na kanei h kybernhsh kai qa to kanei akomh perissotero mhpws epiteloys kai peistoyn kapoioi kai stamathsei ayth h katastash, einai na ejhghqei akomh perissotero gia poio logo epixeireitai na ginei ayto to poly megalo ergo gia thn perioxh alla kai eyrytera gia thn Attikh. Fysika kai se aythn thn periptwsh h aytodikia kai oi dhqen aganaktismenoi polites qa prepei na epanaprosdiorisoyn ton rolo toys etsi wste mesa apo dialogo, mesa apo syzhthsh kai na peistoyn gi' ayta poy prepei kai na kataqesoyn tis protaseis toys, me qetiko tropo prokeimenoy na yparxei diejodos se mia oloklhrh perioxh, h opoia ayth th stigmh, me ayth thn katastash poy epikratei ekei, safws kai adikeitai.

Sas eyxaristw.

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