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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 3 Martioy 2011

Ariqmos Deltioy: 319357591

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 3 Martioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Sto plaisio ths merimnas ths kybernhshs gia thn koinwnikh synoxh kai thn anaptyjh -fysika me krithrio mas, prwta o poliths - qa hqela na anaferqw shmera se orismena qemata poy exoyn sxesh me ton krisimo tomea ths anaptyjhs, ston opoio h kybernhsh exei ependysei. Kai den milaw gia mellontiko xrono, alla na doyme ti egine kai mexri twra kai fysika ti epetai apo edw kai pera.

Exoyn ginei syntonismenes kinhseis kai energeies, oi opoies, fysika, exoyn arxisei na dinoyn kai apotelesmata. Na ypenqymisw oti gia to 2011 exei sxediastei kai proypologistei synoliko paketo tonwshs paragwgikhs ependytikhs drasthriothtas, poy shmainei tonwsh ths agoras, ycoys 10 disekatommyriwn eyrw. Mesa sto 2010 h aporrofhtikothta toy ESPA jeperase kaqe prosdokia, fqanontas apo to 2,9% poy paralabame apo th N.D. sto 18,5%. Oi fakeloi megalwn ergwn poy exoyn hdh katateqei sthn E.E. fqanoyn sto ycos twn 4,65 disekatommyriwn eyrw.

Programmata gia ton prasino toyrismo, th sthrijh twn MME, thn ejwstrefeia kai antagwnistikothta twn epixeirhsewn, ths gynaikeias kai neanikhs epixeirhmatikothtas, synolikoy ycoys 380 ekatommyriwn eyrw, briskontai hdh sthn agora.

Parallhla kai me profanh stoxo thn elafrynsh ths kaqhmerinothtas twn politwn, alla kai thn enisxysh ths koinwnikhs synoxhs, synexizetai me ameiwth entash h prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs gia kaqares kai monimes meiwseis twn timwn, sta basika proionta. Hdh, afora 2.500 proionta prwths anagkhs poy exoyn kai ayjhmenh epidrash ston plhqwrismo, o opoios qa apotypwqei syntoma, alla kyriws poy elafrynoyn to ellhniko noikokyrio kai ayto mas afora kai mas endiaferei amesa.

Sto meizon gia mas zhthma ths perifereiakhs anaptyjhs, sto plaisio twn ``Kallikratikwn'' perifereiwn, paroysiasthke hdh apo to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs stoys perifereiarxes, enas programmatismos eji ebdomadwn me oktw shmeia sta opoia prepei na apanthsoyn oi perifereies, poy qa odhghsei sth synach Symfwnoy Perifereiakhs Strathgikhs toy ypoyrgeioy me kaqe perifereia, wste na arxisei amesa h ejeidikeysh kai h ylopoihsh ths strathgikhs gia thn anaptyjiakh epanekkinhsh ths oikonomias se perifereiako epipedo.

Epishs, den qa prepei na diafeygei ths prosoxhs mas oti h ayjhsh twn ejagwgwn ginetai kai shmeiwnetai akomh megalyterh kai ayto einai deigma oti arxizoyme kai briskoyme jana thn epanekkinhsh ths paragwgikhs kai ependytikhs drasthriothtas. Malista oi ejagwges einai ena poly krisimo oikonomiko megeqos kai drasthriothta gia th xwra mas.

H anaptyjiakh strathgikh mas prowqei taytoxrona thn epanekkinhsh kai thn anadiarqrwsh ths oikonomias, pros drasthriothtes ychlhs oikonomikhs apodoshs kai ayjhmenhs paragwgikothtas. Apodeiknyoyme oti h ygihs anaptyjh den apotelei gia mas qewrhtikh proseggish. Einai anaptyjh sthn prajh. Einai sterewmenh se ygieis qesmoys, me jekaqaroys kanones, kyriws koinoys gia oloys. Ta apotelesmata, fysika, hdh arxizoyn na fainontai kai qa fainontai poly perissotero sto mellon.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na sas rwthsw, en toytois sas anhsyxoyn oi ekrhktikes diastaseis poy pairnei h anergia, opws akoyga shmera tis probleceis poy yparxoyn, oti qa fqasei sto 1,5 ekatommyrio;

PETALWTHS: H ayjhsh ths anergias einai ena poly anhsyxhtiko fainomeno. Fysika kai mas anhsyxei. Einai, omws, anamenomeno giati briskomaste sto meso mias krishs. Den proerxetai apo to poyqena, einai apotoko symptwma ths krishs poy pername. Krish sthn paragwgh, krish stis ependyseis, qeseis ergasias oi opoies xanontai. Emeis, omws, prospaqoyme me synexeis kai me synepeis kinhseis na diafylajoyme, oso mporoyme, tis qeseis ergasias me mia seira apo metra kai apofaseis. Qeseis ergasias oi opoies qa prepei na diafylaxqoyn eidika gia to krisimo xroniko diasthma poy pername, opoy h problepomenh kai h oxi jafnikh yfesh htan gnwsth. Ara, htan epomeno na yparxei kai ayjhsh ths anergias. Ekeino poy qeloyme emeis pragmatika einai na krathsei h ellhnikh oikonomia, h ellhnikh koinwnia aytoys toys klydwnismoys oi opoioi htan logiko na yparxoyn. Eimaste, epanalambanw, sto meso mias krishs kai tetoioy eidoys dysaresta fainomena, safws kai ta perimenoyme. To qema einai oti emeis kanoyme sygkekrimenes kinhseis, akomh kai me to zhthma ths ekkinhshs ths koinwnikhs oikonomias, etsi wste na diathrhqoyn qeseis ergasias, kai fysika na dhmioyrghqoyn kai nees qeseis ergasias. O O.A.E.D. efarmozei stoxeymena programmata. Kai fysika, exoyme hdh proypologisei ena poly megalo xrhmatiko poso na ``pesei'' sthn agora gia th diafylajh kai th dhmioyrgia newn qesewn ergasias. Qa prepei, omws na mh jexname oti oi prospaqeies poy prepei na ginontai, einai poly megales. Ayto kanei h kybernhsh kai fysika, me thn prooptikh poy dinoyme, einai na swqoyn akomh perissoteres qeseis ergasias. Na dhmioyrghqoyn akomh perissoteres kai malista se tomeis, oi opoioi qa diafylassoyn kai th monimothta twn newn qesewn ergasias, poy einai para poly shmantiko.

PAPPA: Mporeite na prosdiorisete poso einai ayto to poso, poy lete oti qa pesei sthn agora;

PETALWTHS: Einai sygkekrimena programmata. Hdh o O.A.E.D. exei ekdwsei anakoinwsh, alla qa yparjei kai anakoinwsh apo to ypoyrgeio Ergasias, poly syntoma, entos twn hmerwn, etsi wste sygkekrimeno xrhmatiko poso to opoio einai megalo -qa anakoinwqei kai me poion tropo- qa ``pesei'' sthn agora.

PAPPA: Na rwthsw kai kati akomh, se allo qema. An exei kapoio sxolio h kybernhsh gi` ayth thn kinhtopoihsh poy ginetai mesw thleoptikoy staqmoy kai blogs gia kinhtopoihsh ejw apo to spiti toy prwhn Prwqypoyrgoy k. Shmith.

PETALWTHS: Apo ayto to bhma, exw epanalabei kai epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora kai shmera, oti einai pragmatika apotropiastiko na dhmioyrgoyntai tetoioy eidoys organwmenes kinhseis, ``dhqen ekrhjhs orghs''. Malista, sthn ellhnikh istoria gnwrizoyme para poly kala ti shmaine kapote aganaktismenos poliths. Polites oi opoioi kaqe allo para askoysan ta xreh toys ws polites, dhmioyrgoyntan ws ypotiqemenh kinhsh aganaktismenwn gia na stigmatisoyn politikes katastaseis, na enoxopoihsoyn oloklhres politikes paratajeis. H Ellada ayto to exei biwsei me to xeirotero tropo. Tetoioy eidoys energeies, eidika enantion enos prwhn Prwqypoyrgoy, o opoios exei prosferei polla sth xwra, mesa apo mia organwmenh politikh drasthriothta, einai pragmatika katadikastees. Einai katadikasteo to gegonos oti mia politikh proswpikothta teinei na stigmatistei me afises, me feig-bolan poy kaqybrizoyn enan prwhn Prwqypoyrgo. Fysika, tetoioy eidoys kinhseis einai kinhseis apoprosanatolismoy. Den ejyphretoyn kanena dhmosio symferon, den ejyphretoyn kanena koinwniko symferon, einai jenes kai pros ta koinwnika protypa, alla kai stis stoxeyseis poy exei shmera h ellhnikh koinwnia gia to jeperasma ths krishs. Teinoyn sta oria ths aytodikias, kati poy einai para poly epikindyno. Qa prepei gia allh mia fora na epanalabw apo ayto to bhma, oti, dystyxws, den apodokimazontai tetoioy eidoys kinhseis me ton pio jekaqaro tropo apo oles tis politikes dynameis. Kaloyme toys pantes, dhladh, oles tis koinwnikes kai politikes dynameis, na apodokimasoyn otidhpote stigmatizei politikes proswpikothtes.

GARGALAKOS: Ep` aytoy. Exoyme dyo Prwqypoyrgoys ta teleytaia xronia. Enan Prwqypoyrgo poy mas ebale sthn ONE kai dhmioyrghse mia isxyrh oikonomia kai enan Prwqypoyrgo poy mas efere sto xeilos ths xreokopias kai blepoyme aytes tis probokatorikes kinhseis kata bash, na prosanatolizontai sto na diamartyrhqoyn kai na paraplanhsoyn kiolas thn koinh gnwmh, ejw apo to grafeio toy k. Shmith. H ellhnikh Politeia pws apodexetai tetoies kinhseis poy einai ejofqalma probokatorikes;

PETALWTHS: Safws, h ellhnikh Politeia den apodexetai tetoies kinhseis. Tis katadikazoyme aperifrasta. Aytes oi kinhseis, oles aytes tis hmeres, exoyn apo emas, entona, to stoixeio ths katadikhs, giati entassontai se ena synoliko sxedio apajiwshs toy politikoy systhmatos, ypotiqetai me ygieis oroys poy omws odhgoyn, me thn elleich protasewn, sta antiqeta apotelesmata. Einai aparadekto. Na jekaqarisw, omws, oti emeis synolika eimaste apenanti s` aytoy toy eidoys tis kinhseis, anejarthta se poion apeyqynontai. Yparxoyn organwmenoi tropoi ekfrashs, me ajioprepeia. Oi epiloges twn Ellhnwn politwn ekfrazontai me poly sygkekrimenoys kai ajioprepeis tropoys kai mesa apo thn eklogikh diadikasia. Pragmatika einai lyphro kai ajio periergeias - emeis bebaia safws kai exoyme thn ejhghsh gia ola ayta - na stoxopoieitai o k. Shmiths poy yphrje o Prwqypoyrgos mias kybernhshs h opoia mas ebale sthn ONE, h opoia dhmioyrghse ryqmoys anaptyjhs poy h kybernhsh toy k. Karamanlh frontise na apajiwsei kai na th ferei se shmeio yfeshs. Dhmioyrghse qesmoys toys opoioys pragmatika qa zhleye opoiadhpote allh kybernhsh sthn E.E. Parola ayta, kapoioi prospaqoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn ena kinhma sto na loidoroyntai tetoioy eidoys politikoi. Anejarthta apo thn apoch poy exei kaqenas, anejarthta apo to poly sebasto dikaiwma diamartyrias, edw prokeitai gia ena meqodeymeno sxedio, ypokinoymeno - den einai mia aplh diamartyria - kai gnwrizoyme para poly kala pws ypokineitai kai me poioys tropoys. Epanalambanw, omws, oti shmera ayto poy kanei h kybernhsh, kaloyntai kai qa prepei na klhqoyn apo toys polites oles oi politikes dynameis safestata na katadikasoyn tetoioy eidoys praktikes kai logikes kai oxi kapoioi na ypokinoyn h na kleinoyn to mati, pisteyontas oti mporoyn kai apoprosanatolizoyn thn koinh gnwmh kai enoxopoioyn katastaseis kai proswpa poy safestata den einai enoxa gia to ti symbainei shmera.

GARGALAKOS: Kai allh mia erwthsh. Blepoyme apo to Megaro ``Ypatia'' na metaferontai oi laqrometanastes poy kanoyn apergia peinas sta nosokomeia. Na kindyneyei h ygeia toys kai malista akoysthke apo enan giatro oti h kybernhsh qelei nekro. Qelei telika h kybernhsh nekro;

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai ena fainomeno to opoio pragmatika exei jeperasei kaqe orio. O sygkekrimenos giatros poy to eipe, einai apo aytoys poy prostateyoyn kai ypokinoyn tetoioy eidoys energeies, fysika, milwntas ek meroys apergwn peinas, enw o idios den kanei kati analogo. H kybernhsh den qelei nekroys, ayto einai aytonohto kai aytapodeikto. H kybernhsh kaqe allo, para symperiferetai me ayto ton tropo. Emeis, sebomaste to dikaiwma sthn ajioprepeia aytwn twn metanastwn, opws kai opoioydhpote Ellhna polith kykloforei sth xwra mas. Sebomaste to dikaiwma epiloghs toy na kanei kapoios apergia peinas. Ekeino, omws, poy den qa epitrecoyme einai akribws to antiqeto. Kapoioi oi opoioi xrhsimopoioyn aytoys toys anqrwpoys poy exoyn problhmata, poy exoyn ton pono toys, poy ginontai omhroi kapoiwn politikwn epidiwjewn, na apagoreyoyn oysiastika s` aytoys toys apergoys peinas gia toys opoioys ypotiqetai oti agwnizontai na paroyn trofh kai nero. Giati exoyme sygkekrimena stoixeia - exoyn anaferqei kai qa anaferqoyn akomh pio sygkekrimena epi toy qematos aytoy armodioi - opoy stoys apergoys peinas apagoreythke ap` aytoys toys giatroys kai toys ypotiqetai allhleggyoys, na paroyn trofh kai nero, otan malista to zhtoysan. Ara, einai poly jekaqaro oti oxi aplws h kybernhsh den qelei nekroys, alla h kybernhsh kalei oloys aytoys, poy ypotiqetai oti yposthrizoyn ton agwna twn metanastwn, na skefqoyn kai na analogistoyn oti den exoyn kanena dikaiwma na paizoyn oyte me tis tyxes twn zwwn aytwn twn anqrwpwn, alla oyte kai me thn tyxh ths xwras se dieqnes epipedo. H ypokrisia twn ypotiqemenwn allhleggywn exei jeperasei kaqe orio kai qa prepei pragmatika na doyme poioi einai kai aytoi oi allhleggyoi. As mh jexname oti xqes kapoioi allhleggyoi eixan kanei katalhch se grafeia ypoyrgwn sth Qessalonikh, sto grafeio toy perifereiarxh Anatolikhs Makedonias-Qrakhs. Oi allhleggyoi aytoi proerxontai apo sygkekrimeno politiko xwro. H ypokrisia exei kai ta oria ths kai malista, otan ayth h ypokrisia aggizei kai ta oria ths zwhs aytwn twn metanastwn.

SPANOY: Egine, omws, mia sygkekrimenh kataggelia shmera, apo ton A' Perifereiarxh Ygeias, ton k. Arh Moysiwnh, milwntas ston FLASH, o opoios eipe oti se dhmosia nosokomeia - kai nomizw ston Eyaggelismo - apagoreyqhke apo synodoys twn apergwn peinas h sitish toys. Lete ``den qa to epitrecoyme''. Dhladh, ti akribws kanete ektos toy na to kataggellete;

PETALWTHS: H Politeia threi sto akeraio to kaqhkon poy exei na kanei. Kai to kaqhkon - epanalambanw oti - einai dikaiwma sthn ajioprepeia, kyriws, kai dikaiwma sthn epilogh. Alla otan enas apergos peinas zhta na parei nero h mia portokalada, den mporei kaneis na toy to apagoreyei. Kai gi' ayto akribws qa yparxei entolh pros tis dioikhseis twn nosokomeiwn na prajoyn ta aytonohta. Ayto kanoyn, alla den mporoyn na ginontai timhtes aytwn twn anqrwpwn, kapoioi oi opoioi akribws gia to antiqeto, ap' o,ti fainetai, doyleyoyn.

BITALHS: Sto prohgoymeno qa epanelqw, dioti qewrw oti den ekleise kyrie Ekproswpe. Dioti kai nwritera, o Grammateas toy PASOK k. Karximakhs, se mia dhlwsh poy ekane gia ola ayta ta fainomena, afhnei safeis aixmes kata politikwn dynamewn. Emmesws plhn safws, sth dhlwsh sas afhnete ki eseis aixmes, oti kapoioi den katadikazoyn. Kaqara, rwtaw ki esas kai thn kybernhsh kai to komma kai oloys: Blepete sygkekrimenes politikes dynameis h sygkekrimena politika proswpa, ta opoia ypokinoyn aytes tis katastaseis h apla einai kapoies katastaseis poy tis ypokinoyn ta kanalia kai kapoioi alloi typoi; S' ayto qelw mia jekaqarh apanthsh, an blepete sygkekrimenes politikes dynameis h sygkekrimenoys politikoys paragontes oi opoioi ypokinoyn aytes tis katastaseis.

PETALWTHS: To exw pei, loipon, oles aytes tis meres poy exw anaferqei sto qema ayto. Perimenw eidika apo th N.D. oxi me aples qewrhtikes katadikes apo ton ekproswpo ths, alla me prajeis apo ta stelexh toy kommatos ths N.D., na katadikasoyn me praktiko tropo kai oxi aplws qewrhtiko kai apologhtiko. Otan egw eixa kataggeilei oti ypokinoyn tetoioy eidoys kinhseis, qa prepei me praktiko tropo na deijei h N.D. oti synaisqanetai to megeqos ths eyqynhs, ws pros th diamorfwsh kanonwn kai praktikwn sthn politikh zwh, ws komma ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Anti na apologoyntai, epanalambanw, ypokinoyn stelexh ths N.D. - kai exw anaferqei hdh, edw kai dyo-treis hmeres anaferomai sto qema ayto - tetoioy eidoys kinhseis. Ara, opoiesdhpote alles qewrhtikes katadikes apales, xliares kai kat' anagkh, toy ekproswpoy Typoy ths N.D., kaqe allo para peiqoyn. H N.D. gnwrizei poly kala poia stelexh ths symmetexoyn s' aytes tis ypokinhseis, poioi einai aytoi oi opoioi briskontai pisw ap' aytes tis kinhseis kai qa prepei, epiteloys, estw kai se ena shmeio na pei thn alhqeia kai na parei jekaqarh qesh apenanti s' ayto to zhthma poy den afora mono ston k. Shmith h ston opoiondhpote apo emas. Afora - epanalambanw - se praktikes poy diamorfwnontai, poy qymizoyn alles epoxes ``aganaktismenwn politwn'' kai exei amesh eyqynh gi' ayto.

BITALHS: Nai, alla kyrie Ekproswpe milate pali xwris na anafereste sygkekrimena.

PETALWTHS: Na jekaqarisw kati: Den eimai armodios na pw onomata.

BITALHS: Hdh, yparxei ena qesmiko komma, h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh h opoia askei enan qesmiko rolo. Ean exete kapoio sygkekrimeno stoixeio gia kapoio stelexos ths, giati alliws h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh exei ena qesmiko rolo, opws exete ki eseis, opws exoyn kai ta alla kommata. Ean yparxoyn sygkekrimena stelexh poy ypokinoyn aytes tis kinhseis, h kybernhsh qa prepei na to pei epwnymws.

PETALWTHS: Loipon, koitajte: Oyte hrwes qa ftiajoyme apo ayto to bhma, oyte qa mpoyme se kynhgi proswpwn kai na stoxopoihsoyme anqrwpoys. H N.D. - milaw poly qesmika kai apeyqynomai poly qesmika pros th N.D. - exei eyqynh na symmazecei tetoioy eidoys symperifores. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala me poio tropo kineitai: me akraies epidiwjeis kai me akraioys xarakthrismoys dhmosiopoiei pleon tis apoceis ths h N.D. Kai fainetai oti ayth h akrothta exei kai alles synepeies, opws einai h ypodaylish tetoioy eidoys kinhsewn. H eyqynh den einai dikh mas. H eyqynh einai aytwn oi opoioi dhmioyrgoyn tetoioy eidoys kinhseis. Tis xarakthrizoyn ``ekrhjeis orghs toy aploy kosmoy'', enw gnwrizoyme poly kala oti ayto den symbainei. Pragmatika, perimenoyme mia jekaqarh apanthsh, oxi monon apo th N.D., alla apo oles tis politikes kinhseis kai dynameis, kaqws kai apo ta kommata ths aristeras poy exoyn ypostei olo ayto to qema twn ``aganaktismenwn politwn'' me ton xeirotero tropo sto parelqon. Monon etsi mporoyme na eimaste jekaqaroi. To olo qema den exei kamia sxesh me proswpa. Exei na kanei me qesmoys kai me sygkekrimenes kinhseis kaqara politikoy xarakthra.

MOSXOBAS: Epeidh anaferqhkate, kyrie Ekproswpe, sthn arxh ths omilias sas gia kinhseis poy stoxeyoyn sthn anaptyjh kai poy opws mas eipate exoyn hdh apoferei karpoys, diapistwtika na pw oti profanws xairomai giati to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn qelhse na patajei thn ploytokratia ayjanontas toys antikeimenikoys foroys sto Cyxiko, qa hqela na moy peite ean symmerizesqe oti me tetoioy eidoys kinhseis poy profanws qa symparasyroyn kai alloys Dhmoys kai alles perioxes ths xwras, tonwnetai mia apo tis atmomhxanes ths oikonomias, opws einai h oikodomh, h opoia exei hdh ypostei - opws jeroyme oloi - ena terastio plhgma ta teleytaia xronia.

PETALWTHS: H tonwsh ths oikonomias den mporei na basizetai panw se mia anomia. Kai anomia qa einai na yparxoyn poly xamhles antikeimenikes ajies, se sxesh me thn pragmatikh, thn emporikh kai agoraia ajia. Omws, ayto poy rwtate, to opoio pragmatika dhmosieyqhke shmera kai kata koron ston Typo, exei mia istoria: Antikeimenikes times apo to 2007 kriqhkan apo to Symboylio ths Epikrateias oti den kaqorisqhkan nomima kai malista se mia zwnh eidika toy Cyxikoy. Ara, apo th stigmh poy to Symboylio ths Epikrateias ekrine oti den yphrxan ta anagkaia kai nomimopoihtika stoixeia gia na kaqoristei h antikeimenikh ajia s' ayth th zwnh, eprepe shmera h ellhnikh Politeia na elqei kai na orisei kapoies alles times. O orismos aytwn twn timwn ginetai me enan antikeimeniko tropo, lambanontas yp' och ola ekeina ta stoixeia ta opoia kaqorizoyn tis antikeimenikes times. Ean den to kanoyme, tote pragmatika qa exoyme anisothta, giati den mporei na yparxei prosfatos kaqorismos antikeimenikhs timhs, gia paradeigma sth Flwrina, kai na mhn yparxei epikairopoihmenos kaqorismos timhs gia mia zwnh toy Cyxikoy. Jekaqara, einai qema Dikaiosynhs. Einai qema, jekaqara, epibolhs kai epanaforas ths nomimothtas. Kai ean den to kaname, tote pragmatika qa hmastan ypologoi. Kaneis ``den ta bazei'' oyte me toys katoikoys toy Cyxikoy, oyte me kanenan allon polith.

Asfalws kai qa prepei na tonwqei h oikodomikh drasthriothta. Gnwrizoyme oti yparxei problhma, to opoio einai apotoko ths krishs. Alla me to na xarizoyme oysiastika se kapoioys thn antikeimenikh ajia kratwntas thn xamhlh, tote yparxei qema kai nomimothtas kai koinwnikhs adikias.

MOSXOBAS: Moy epitrepete, to typiko einai ayto poy lete, ontws.

PETALWTHS: Kai to oysiastiko.

MOSXOBAS: Entajei. Na pw omws thn enstash; Ayto poy ekane entypwsh - ayto katalaba egw toylaxiston apo ta reportaz twn efhmeridwn - oti htan poly megalh h ayjhsh ths antikeimenikhs s' ayth th zwnh poy anafereste. Ean ta krithria einai antikeimenika, den to jerw, den eimai eidikos.

PETALWTHS: Yparxoyn sygkekrimena krithria.

MOSXOBAS: Moy kanei entypwsh ayto kai symparesyre kai thn ypoloiph perioxh toy Cyxikoy kai profanws - den jerw, lew - qa symparasyrei endexomenws kai alles perioxes ths xwras se mia tetoia periodo. Ayto aplws to dieykrinizw, gia na mhn fanei oti kati allo yponooysa.

PETALWTHS: Antilhpto to ti ennooysate. Ontws, yphrje mia megalh ayjhsh, alla yparxoyn sygkekrimena stoixeia, basei twn opoiwn kaqorizontai oi antikeimenikes times. Kai epeidh yphrxe ayth h apofash toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias, giati tote ston kaqorismo ths antikeimenikhs timhs den elhfqhsan yp' och sygkekrimena stoixeia, alla egine mia, profanws, ayqaireth ayjhsh twn antikeimenikwn ajiwn.

MOSXOBAS: To erwthma moy einai ean h kybernhsh skopeyei na ejomoiwsei, kata to dynaton, tis antikeimenikes me tis pragmatikes ajies. Exete tetoio stoxo;

PETALWTHS: Einai gnwsto oti oi antikeimenikes ajies einai xamhloteres - kai ena diasthma hsan kata poly xamhloteres - akomh kai shmera twn pragmatikwn emporikwn kai agorastikwn ajiwn twn perioxwn. Yparxei mia tash - kai ayto einai to nomimo - na ejomoiwnontai me tis emporikes ajies. To zhthma ths oikodomikhs drasthriothtas kai twn metabibasewn me o,ti ayto synepagetai, emeis to lambanoyme yp' och. Kai fysika, otan qa yparjei ayjhsh twn antikeimenikwn timwn, giati mexri stigmhs den yphrje, tote ola ayta qa lhfqoyn yp' och.

PITTARAS: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia to oikonomiko barometro toy EBEA, poy emfanizei diafora poly apogohteytika stoixeia gia to pws antilambanontai oi polites thn prospaqeia poy lete oti kanete gia na antimetwpisete thn krish, opoy 8 stoys 10 dhlwnoyn apaisiodojoi kai gia ta dhmosia oikonomika kai gia ta proswpika toys oikonomika kai 6 stoys 10 ajiologoyn arnhtika thn prosfygh ths kybernhshs sto DNT.

PETALWTHS: Malista. Pantws, to oti metrietai ena xrono meta h prosfygh oxi sto DNT - giati ean teqhke etsi h erwthsh einai laqos erwthsh kai polles fores exoyme ypostei synepeies lanqasmenwn erwthsewn gia sygkekrimenoys logoys - dioti den prosfygame sto DNT, prosfygame se enan trimerh mhxanismo kai to kaname poly syneidhta, exontas ejhghsei kat' epanalhch thn anagkh na yparxei aytos o mhxanismos gia na mporoyme shmera na syzhtame ena eyrytato fasma qematwn s' aythn edw thn aiqoysa: Na syzhtame gia antikeimenikes ajies, gia misqoys kai ola ta ypoloipa.

To na tiqentai tetoies erwthseis ena xrono meta, pragmatika, den gnwrizw poy aposkopoyn.

PITTARAS: Gia th dikh moy erwthsh, ta lete ayta; Gia na katalabw.

PETALWTHS: Oxi, bebaia. Apantw s' ayta poy anaferate apo to EBEA, twn opoiwn den gnwrizw thn akribh diatypwsh. Apo esas ta akoyw.

PITTARAS: Ereyna einai. Ena oikonomiko barometro, den einai erwthsh.

PETALWTHS: Pws proekyce h ereyna ayth; Profanws apo erwthseis. Gi' ayto eipa sthn arxh pws tiqentai oi erwthseis kai ean tiqentai opws prepei kai gia poio logo.

GARGALAKOS: Paraggelia toy Mixaloy.

PETALWTHS: Den ypeiserxomai sth diadikasia ajiologhshs ths sygkekrimenhs ereynas. Pantws, einai kalo na ginontai ereynes, arkei na ginontai se swsth bash. Omws, ekeino poy qelw na pw einai - kai to gnwrizoyme - oti pragmati yparxei mia apaisiodojia ston kosmo, yparxei apogohteysh stoys polites, alla den qa mporoyse na einai diaforetika, ef' oson briskomaste sto meso mias krishs. Otidhpote allo ki an legame, qa htan pragmatika ypokrisia. Oi prwtoi poy antilambanomaste se poia dyskolh katastash - kai se epipedo cyxologias kai synaisqhmatwn - brisketai shmera o kosmos, eimaste emeis, oi opoioi exoyme epafh me ton kosmo. Kai fysika den xreiazetai mia ereyna na mas to pei ayto. Apo thn allh omws, apenanti se tetoioy eidoys ereynes, emeis bazoyme kai thn pragmatikothta: Ti kanoyme gia na stamathsei kai na antistrafei ayth h katastash. Emeis leme oti apenanti s' ayto exoyme sygkekrimenoys stoxoys, sygkekrimeno sxedio. Emeis eimaste aytoi poy exoyme pei para polles fores oti ta pragmata den allazoyn me to pathma enos koympioy. Emeis eimaste aytoi poy legame oti kai to 2011 qa einai xronia ths krishs. Gia na mporesoyn apo to 2012 kai meta na allajoyn ta pragmata. Emeis eimaste aytoi - h paroysa kybernhsh - poy mesa s' ayto to ejairetika dyskolo plaisio sto opoio kinoymaste, kybername kai politeyomaste, prospaqoyme na kanoyme megales tomes, megales allages, oi opoies qa apodeixqoyn oti exoyn kai tis synepeies toys meta to jeperasma ths krishs.

PITTARAS: Epeidh kapoioi qixthkan mallon apo thn erwthsh moy, na sas rwthsw kai gia ena allo qema.

PETALWTHS: Poioi qixthkan;

PITTARAS: Gia th lista twn ofeiletwn gia ta 35 dis eyrw ta opoia eixate prospaqhsei na apallajete apo ayth thn ypoxrewsh kai me ryqmish malista nomoqetikh. Qa thn dwsete kapote th lista ayth giati rwtoyn kai boyleytes sas.

PETALWTHS: Exoyme pei epaneilhmmenws kai malista emperiexetai sto neo forologiko nomosxedio mia sygkekrimenh ryqmish sto pws kapoies apaithseis mporoyn na xarakthrisqoyn oti den mporoyn na eispraxqoyn, prokeimenoy na aposafhnisqei poies einai aytes oi apaithseis, me poio tropo kai pws mporei na leitoyrghsei to systhma, ws pros ton entopismo toys. Kai yparxei enas antikeimenikotatos tropos - mesw toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy kai mesa apo mia seira asfalistikwn dikleidwn poy den afhnoyn kanena, ma kanena periqwrio na yparxei ypokeimeniko stoixeio orismoy aytwn twn ofeilwn - etsi wste pragmatika na mporoyme kai na jekaqarisoyme poies einai aytes oi ofeiles poy mporei kai prepei na eisprajei - mporei kyriws - to ellhniko dhmosio kai fysika me poion tropo qa ginei o orismos aytos.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kathgoreite th N.D. oti den proserxetai s' ayton ton dialogo gia thn oikonomia me to mesoproqesmo sxedio dhmosionomikhs strathgikhs, alla exei omws h N.D. ena isxyro epixeirhma - xrhsimopoieitai polles fores apo ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs alla kai apo th N.D. ws alloqi gia epikoinwniakoys logoys - oti epi ths oysias den dexeste kamia protash kai to exete kanei kai sto parelqon, ara giati na proselqei ston dialogo;

PETALWTHS: Ston dialogo h N.D. den proshlqe, opws den exei proselqei pote se kanenan dialogo. Ayth einai h stash kai symperifora ths. Mia stash pragmatika aneyqynh. Malista ekdoqhke kai mia anakoinwsh toy anaplhrwth tomearxh oikonomias ths N.D., toy k. Staikoyra, sthn opoia diatypwnetai mia seira aitiasewn kata ths kybernhshs - arxhs genomenhs apo thn enarjh ths qhteias ths - oi opoies kaqe allo para diafwtizoyn, antiqetws syskotizoyn toys logoys gia toys opoioys den proserxetai h N.D. ston eilikrinh dialogo ston opoio thn kaloyme. Mas eipe oti den akoyme tis protaseis ths. Ma, gia na akoysoyme tis protaseis ths, qa prepei na proselqei kai ston dialogo. Ean anaferetai se kapoies protaseis poy eixe kanei o k. Samaras prin apo polloys mhnes sto Zappeio, otan mas exoyn pei oti qa yparjei ``Zappeio 2'' gia ton k. Samara, opoy qa proteinei kainoyrgies lyseis kai qa diatypwsei nees protaseis, giati oi prohgoymenes den einai epikairopoihmenes, plhn omws den mas tis legoyn, tote ayto synista an mh ti allo poly megalh ypokrisia ek meroys ths N.D. Ean h N.D. htan sobarh paratajh, h opoia malista kybernhse kai katestrece ayton ton topo ta teleytaia 6 xronia prin apo ton Oktwbrio toy 2009 kai apekryce, oxi aplws den apotypwse kai den elyse, alla apekryce apo oloys mas ta megala problhmata ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai toy ellhnikoy kratoys, qa perimene kaneis, pragmatika estw kai shmera, oxi na ginei synenoxos me kapoies politikes mas opws isxyrizetai, alla toylaxiston na apenoxopoihqei, proserxomenh se dialogo kai me sygkekrimenes protaseis. Fainetai oti sth N.D. yperterei allo pneyma - kai to pneyma ayto einai orato se ola ta epipeda - dhmosiopoihshs apocewn kai kinhsewn ths N.D. Omws, ena pneyma poly katwtero twn peristasewn. Epanalambanw, gia pollosth fora, oti h N.D., xwris na egkataleicei tis politikes qeseis ths, qa eprepe na proselqei ston dialogo, na syzhthsoyme kai fysika na arnhqei ean xreiazotan h na kataggeilei thn kybernhsh oti den akoysame tis protaseis ths. Protaseis tis opoies den mas tis exei pei - tis exei mexri stigmhs krymmenes - giati perimenei na tis anakoinwsei o k. Samaras sto ``Zappeio 2''. Tote, gia poies protaseis milame; Ara, einai kairos ayth h ypokrisia na fygei apo th mesh.

Kai na mhn milame mono gia th N.D. Edw exoyme mia sygklish ths aneyqynothtas ths N.D. me aythn allwn kommatwn ths aristeras. Den erxontai na syzhthsoyme kai sygklinoyn s' ayto to megeqos ths aneyqynothtas, poy eidika sth shmerinh epoxh qa eprepe na mhn yparxei kan oyte san skech. Emeis eimaste jekaqaroi. Emeis kaloyme tis politikes dynameis s' enan diarkh dialogo. Alla eidikotera na syzhthsoyme gia to pws mporoyme na fqasoyme sto 2015: Na syzhthsoyme gia ena mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio poy jeperna th qhteia mias kybernhshs kai qetei baseis gia na poreyqei h xwra me enan syntetagmeno logo kai tropo mexri to 2015. Profanws, omws, gia toys dikoys toys mikrokommatikoys logoys den proserxontai kai oi men alla kai oi dhqen proodeytikoi aristeroi de.

MOSXOBAS: Mia dieykrinish, epeidh diabasa oti h N.D. proshlqe men ston dialogo alla symfwnhse - h prokeitai na symfwnhsei - me to Eyrwpaiko Laiko Komma gia to Symfwno Staqerothtas ths k. Merkel. H kybernhsh ep' aytoy exei katalhjei ti qa kanei telika;

PETALWTHS: Qa mporoyse, prwta ap ola, na erqei na mas ta pei h N.D. gia na gnwrisoyme kai emeis poies einai oi qeseis ths kai poies einai oi protaseis ths. Kai fysika einai epibeblhmeno - kai to lew me plhrh epignwsh - pws otan phgainoyme se mia diapragmateysh toso sobarh kai toso krisimh gia to mellon ths xwras mas, alla kai gia to mellon ths Eyrwphs, den mporei na mhn proserxetai se syzhthsh, sthn kataqesh protasewn, to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Ean protimaei h N.D. na dhmosiopoiei to ti qa kanei otan qa syzhthsei me toys etairoys toy ELK , alla na mhn proserxetai na enhmerwsei ton ellhniko lao kai na syzhthsei me thn kybernhsh, einai diko ths qema. Emeis eimaste jekaqaroi, emeis pame me sygkekrimenes stoxeyseis. Prospaqoyme na diapragmateytoyme, mexri thn teleytaia stigmh, na symmetexoyme sth syndiamorfwsh qesewn poy qa wfeloyn prwta ap ola emas, se eqniko epipedo, alla kai eyrytera thn E.E. Opoios to arneitai einai diko toy qema.

SIDERHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ti nohma exei ayto to anejarthtws proqesewn faio kataskeyasma, poy edwse sth dhmosiothta o yp. Dikaiosynhs k. Kastanidhs, sxetika me to ratsismo. Na sas qymisw oti me analogo nomo o Roze Gkaronti sthn Gallia exei katadikastei. Pame se mia poinikopoihsh ths skechs. Den qa mporei kaneis na ekfrasei thn apoch toy - estw thn anohth - gia to ean yphrje olokaytwma h oxi. Ti nohma exei ayto to nomosxedio; Kai deyteron, giati twra; Ola ta eixame ayto eleipe;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap ola etsi opws qetete to erwthma, k. Siderh, den gnwrizw ean...

SIDERHS: Anejarthtws proqesewn, etsi; Pantws faio einai sthn oysia toy.

PETALWTHS: Malista. Nomizw oti ayto to eipe kai o Mhtropoliths Peiraiws...

SIDERHS: To eipe diaforetika o Serafeim. Jerw th dhlwsh toy.

PETALWTHS: Den qa kanw analysh aytoy toy nomoqethmatos. Na sas diabebaiwsw pantws, oti ayth h kybernhsh, aytos o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, exei mia ejairetikh eyaisqhsia se kaqe eidoys koinwnika qemata. Kai na eiste sigoyros oti me ayto to nomoqethma, pragmatika qa katoxyrwnetai h skech kai h drash olwn osoi pisteyoyn se sygkekrimena zhthmata, pragma poly shmantiko. Kaneis den prokeitai na apagoreysei, me opoioysdhpote tropoys kai kyriws synwmosiologikoys, blepontas synwmosies pisw apo otidhpote, th boylhsh kai thn prajh mias kybernhshs h opoia einai proodeytikh, exei sygkekrimenoys tropoys, praktikes, meqodoys kai ideologikes proseggiseis. Synepws, oxi apla den qa prepei na anhsyxei kaneis gi ayto, alla to antiqeto. Ean den kinoymastan me ayton ton tropo, tote pragmatika qa xaname kai to ideologiko mas stigma.

SIDERHS: Sas diaceydei to arqro 4, poy leei oti ``timwreitai me fylakish kai xrhmatikh poinh, opoios dhmosia, proforika h dia toy Typoy h dia toy diadiktyoy, egkwmiazei, arneitai h ekmhdenizei th shmasia egklhmatwn genoktonias kata tropo poy mporei na prokalesei, na diegeirei biaiopragies, exqropaqeies'' klp. Ara den isxyoyn ayta poy lete.

PETALWTHS: Sas metefera thn isxyrh apoch ths kybernhshs kai thn epanalambanw.

ZAFEIRIADOY : Kyrie Ypoyrge, shmera diabasa gia kapoies dhlwseis ths k. Merkel, me tis opoies proidease oti sto epomeno Eurogroup qa systhsei h idia h telos pantwn qa proteinei thn efarmogh forologias stis xrhmatisthriakes synallages. Qa hqela na rwthsw an prokeitai gia thn idia protash toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai an yparxei kapoio oikonomiko apotelesma, to opoio mporoyme na perimenoyme apo mia tetoia kinhsh, efoson bebaiws yioqethqei.

PETALWTHS: Eixame anaferqei - kai edw sto xwro eixa anaferqei, se enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn - gi` ayth thn prospaqeia poy kaname, gi` ayth thn protash poy ferame emeis, oi eyrwboyleytes mas me eishghtria thn k. Podhmata, gia to foro stis xrhmatopistwtikes synallages. Enas foros o opoios qa apoferei ena poly megalo esodo sta oikonomika toy kratoys - kai poy fysika einai enas foros epibolhs Dikaiosynhs - etsi wste ta megala xrhmatopistwtika idrymata na kataballoyn foro gia tis synallages poy ginontai kai gia ta kerdh ta opoia proslambanoyn, apokomizoyn, apo tetoioy eidoys synallages. Den qa epanelqw se mia kataggelia poy eixa kanei gia to ti ekane h k. Kratsa otan syzhtiotan ayto to qema sthn armodia epitroph toy Eyrwkoinoboylioy. Ayto, omws, poy mas endiaferei emas shmera, einai na exei pragmatika ayto to ofelos h E.E. Einai shmantiko oti yioqeteitai mia protash, poy htan protash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Estw kai mexri twra, giati tipote den einai sigoyro. Epanalambanw oti ginontai diapragmateyseis se ola ta epipeda sthn E.E. Kai pragmatika qa einai poly shmantiko gia th xwra mas, eidika se ayth thn periodo, na yparxei h qespish enos tetoioy foroy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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