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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 13 Ianoyarioy 2011

Ariqmos Deltioy: 310732800

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 13 Ianoyarioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

O Prwqypoyrgos Giwrgos Papandreoy anakoinwse xqes sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio thn apofash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs na parembei sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, gia thn ypoqesh twn apozhmiwsewn toy Distomoy. Einai mia shmantikh apofash oysias, alla kai proaspishs toy eqnikoy symferontos se ayth th dyskolh sygkyria. Einai, omws, profanhs o isxyros symbolismos ayths ths apofashs kai deixnei akomh kai pws antilambanomaste to eqniko symferon, kaqws kai thn apofasistikothta mas na to yphretoyme.

Epishs, mia deyterh shmantikh anakoinwsh apo to xqesino Ypoyrgiko afora thn ejyphrethsh toy Ellhna polith kai eidikotera toy syntajioyxoy me thn epitaxynsh aponomhs syntajhs. Htan mia safestath koinwnikh adikia, mia systhmikh paqogeneia thn opoia apokaqistoyme, sto plaisio ths koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs. Htan proeklogikh mas desmeysh. Eixame pei oti mesa se ena xrono, to eixame pei sth Dieqnh Ekqesh Qessalonikhs, qa broyme lysh gia to shmantiko ayto zhthma kai hdh to ylopoioyme.

Etsi, bazoyme telos se mia logikh poy hqele ton apomaxo ths ergasias na perimenei akomh kai dyo xronia, aplhrwtos, gia na bgei sth syntajh. Me ayth thn proswrinh syntajh, h opoia to poly mesa se dyomish mhnes apo thn ypobolh ths aithshs, mporei na fqanei mexri to 95% toy ycoys ths syntajews, ylopoioyme thn yposxesh mas.

Einai gnwsto oti anazhtoyme kai ylopoioyme kaqhmerina tropoys poy qa dieykolynoyn oso to dynato thn kaqhmerinothta toy Ellhna polith, apo thn taxyterh aponomh syntajhs, mexri thn politikh gia to farmako, tis hlektronikes eykolies sth Dhmosia Dioikhsh. Oles mas oi energeies aposkopoyn sthn allagh ths kaqhmerinothtas twn politwn kai sth beltiwsh twn orwn diabiwshs toys.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

POLYMEROS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, sto qema poy afora ta osa eipe o k. Xrysoxoidhs gia thn EYP, se syzhthsh poy fainetai na eixe me ton Amerikano presbh, pro etwn. Qa hqela na moy peite an sthn kybernhsh pisteyete oti epi twn hmerwn sas, allaje h eikona ths EYP, se sxesh panta me ayta poy yposthrize o k. Xrysoxoidhs tote kai qa hqela na moy peite kai th gnwmh sas, gia to an telika ephreazei thn eyryqmh leitoyrgia mias ``idiorryqmhs'' yphresias, opws einai h EYP, h askhsh syndikalismoy.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, o syndikalismos einai nomimos. Apo ekei kai pera, ola ta alla einai qema apocewn kai protasewn. Fysika, kaqenas mporei na exei tis apoceis toy kai tis protaseis toy. Ekeino to opoio, bebaia, qa hqela na tonisw kai edw, einai oti h Eqnikh Yphresia Plhroforiwn exei enan idiaitero kai eyaisqhto rolo gia thn asfaleia ths xwras mas, ayto, omws, den shmainei oti ta panta einai anejelegkta. To lew ayto giati gnwrizoyme kai exei doqei sth dhmosiothta mia seira apo ereynes gyrw apo sygkekrimena gegonota poy synebhsan. Exoyn askhqei akomh kai poinikes diwjeis. Ayto poy qeloyme na kanoyme emeis kai hdh to kanoyme, einai na yparxei mia eyryqmh leitoyrgia me monadiko gnwmona thn proaspish ths eqnikhs mas asfaleias, opws ejalloy einai katoxyrwmenos kai o rolos ths Eqnikhs Yphresias Plhroforiwn.

XIDIROGLOY: Giati prepei h kybernhsh, kyrie Ekproswpe, na dinei anafora ston Amerikano presbh gia thn katastash poy epikratei sthn EYP; Kai kala, o k. Xrysoxoidhs apeyqynqhke dhmosia ston ellhniko lao kai eipe oti h katastash den ton ikanopoiei. Alla, giati qa prepei na dinoyme anafora ston presbh mias jenhs xwras gia to ti symbainei sthn EYP; Eimaste eqnika kyriarxoi h den eimaste;

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy ekane o k. Xrysoxoidhs, safws kai den htan anafora ston presbh mias jenhs xwras. Antiqeta, mporw na pw, eidika gia ton k. Xrysoxoidh, oti exei apodeijei poso drastikos kai poso shmantikos htan sthn yphrethsh ths dhmosias asfaleias. Fysika, otan legetai kati sto plaisio mias syzhthshs, den einai anafora pros jenoys presbeis. Ayta einai teleiws diaforetika pragmata.

KALARRYTHS: An katalaba kala, ayto poy eipate prin oti einai qema apocewn kai protasewn, h kybernhsh symfwnei telika h den symfwnei oti h EYP sthn epoxh poy ekane th sxetikh anafora o k. Xrysoxoidhs htan epikindynh gia thn eqnikh asfaleia kai ena tipota;

PETALWTHS: Oxi, apocewn kai protasewn eipa, oson afora to syndikalismo. H kybernhsh exei thn isxyrh apoch oti h Eqnikh Yphresia Plhroforiwn exei ena sygkekrimeno rolo, poly idiaitero, poly eyaisqhto kai qa prepei ayton na ton proaspizei kai na ton yperaspizetai, anejarthta poia politikh periodo dianyoyme kai poia einai h kybernhsh ths xwras. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Kai opoy diapistwsame oti yphrxe parekklish, ws pros ayto, zhthsame ws kybernhsh na diereynhqei an exei ginei kati. Gi` ayto anefera oti gnwrizoyme pws yparxoyn mia seira apo ereynes, oi opoies fysika exoyn kai mia katalhjh.

XIDIROGLOY: Edw, omws, tiqetai kai ena allo qema. Blepoyme poly syxnes epafes toy Amerikanoy presbh me paragontes ths kybernhshs kai mia sxesh, toylaxiston oson afora sth dikh moy ektimhsh, aggizei to orio toy anarmostoy.

PETALWTHS: Se ti anafereste;

XIDIROGLOY: Anaferomai stis anafores gia tis syzhthseis toy k. Xrysoxoidh me ton Amerikano presbh, alla kai toy arxhgoy ths EL.AS. Qa hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Kata poson ayto, dhladh aytes oi toso stenes epafes kai oi anafores, epitrecte moy jana thn ekfrash, einai mesa sto isxyon plaisio twn diplwmatikwn sxesewn mas me tis H.P.A.

PETALWTHS: Ypoqetw oti anafereste stis diarroes toy Wikileaks.

XIDIROGLOY: Akribws.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, h ajiopistia aytwn twn diarrown elegxetai. Oxi oti exoyme diaqesh na tis elegjoyme, alla milame gia mia phgh h opoia, safws, den einai ajiopisth. Emeis exoyme na kanoyme me th boylhsh mias kybernhshs, h opoia exei deijei kai apodeiknyei poso anejarthth einai, poso eqnika yperhfanh politikh askei kai pws blepei to rolo ths sto pagkosmio gignesqai. Den yphrxan anafores se kanenan jeno presbh, oyte toy k. Xrysoxoidh, oyte toy arxhgoy ths EL.AS. Kapoies syzhthseis den einai anafores. Gnwrizoyme poly kala ti ennooyme ``anafores'', otan anaferomaste se parelqonta xrono kai se xronia poy den qeloyme na qymomaste. Ayth h kybernhsh exei apodeijei pws ennoei to eqniko symferon kai pws to proaspizetai.

KALARRYTHS: Eipate oti elegxetai h ajiopistia twn phgwn. O k. Xrysoxoidhs, pantws, epibebaiwse oti eixe ayth th syzhthsh kai eipe, malista, oti ta idia ta exei pei kai dhmosia.

PETALWTHS: Ayto to lew genikws. Den qa mporoyme na syromaste pisw apo diarroes oi opoies den einai elegmenes. Ayto qelw na pw. O k. Xrysoxoidhs eipe eilikrinestata oti ayta den htan anafores se kapoion jeno presbh, htan ayta poy elege kai stis dhmosies syzhthseis. Ara, den yphrxe qema mystikothtas kai fysika den yphrxe qema anaforas se kanenan jeno. Ayto eipe o k. Xrysoxoidhs.

PAPPA: Hqela na sas rwthsw, poio htan to antikeimeno ths episkechs toy antiproedroy ths kybernhshs k. Pagkaloy, sto Katar.

PETALWTHS: O k. Pagkalos pragmatopoihse episkech sysfijhs twn sxesewn me to Katar, mias poly shmantikhs xwras. An dei kaneis kai th dieqnh eidhseografia, blepei oti aytes tis hmeres htan ekei kai h k. Klinton, alla kai o k. Erntogan me plhqos epixeirhmatiwn sthn apostolh toy. Fysika, to endiaferon ths Elladas gia synergasia me to Katar, paramenei emfanes kai energo, opws bebaia yparxei kai antistrofo endiaferon ths kybernhshs toy Katar me thn Ellada, se qemata toyrismoy kai se qemata ependysewn. Fysika, ayto to tajidi toy k. Pagkaloy, entassetai sthn proetoimasia kai sysfijh aytwn twn sxesewn. O k. Pagkalos synodeyotan apo ton armodio yfypoyrgo Ejwterikwn k. Koybelh. Epishs, opws gnwrizete, o armodios ypoyrgos k. Xarhs Pampoykhs exei thn eyqynh ylopoihshs oswn ependysewn prokycoyn.

PAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pera apo ayto poy mas lete, kati pio xeiropiasto yparxei, me thn ennoia exoyn ginei syzhthseis gia sygkekrimena qemata, opws gia paradeigma to Ellhniko, opws o Astakos;

PETALWTHS: Anefera oti o k. Pagkalos briskotan ekei akribws gia thn genikoterh sysfijh aytwn twn sxesewn. Pantote ginontai proetoimasies gia pio sygkekrimenes ependyseis. Bebaia, aytes oi ependyseis poy einai na ginoyn, qa syzhthqoyn kai armodiws.

KALARRYTHS: Xqes, o k. Pagkalos se synomilia me dhmosiografoys, otan rwthqhke ean qa synanthqei me ton Prwqypoyrgo k. Papandreoy, edwse mia apanthsh poy ermhneyqhke ws ejhs: Symfwna me ton k. Pagkalo, o k. Papandreoy den exei kai poly diaqesh na ton dei, giati ej alloy, den ton exei dei edw kai kairo. Qa yparjei kapoia synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton antiproedro ths Kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: O k. Pagkalos synanthqhke me ton Prwqypoyrgo kata th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Ayth den einai synanthsh;

KALARRYTHS: Ennow kat' idian synanthsh, prokeimenoy na syzhthqoyn sygkekrimena qemata armodiothtas toy antiproedroy.

PETALWTHS: Poia dhladh;

KALARRYTHS: Den exei armodiothtes o antiproedros;

PETALWTHS: O antiproedros exei sygkekrimenes armodiothtes kai fysika otan xreiazetai idiaiterh synanthsh, ektos apo tis synanthseis poy ginontai sto plaisio twn organwn, ayth ginetai.

KALARRYTHS: Yparxei ston programmatismo kapoia synanthsh toy k. Pagkaloy me ton Prwqypoyrgo;

PETALWTHS: Ap' oso gnwrizw, aytes tis meres oxi. Alla, ana pasa stigmh, ef' oson yparxei antikeimeno synergasias oi synanthseis aytes ginontai. Opws gnwrizete, exoyme mia kybernhsh h opoia ergazetai kai malista entona.

XIDIROGLOY: O k. Papoytshs, xqes, milwntas sth Boylh taxqhke kata ths polypolitismikothtas yioqetwntas sthn oysia toys tis apoceis ths N.D. gia to qema.

PETALWTHS: Aytes einai dikes sas kriseis.

XIDIROGLOY: Mporeite na to peite ki etsi. Yioqetei h kybernhsh thn ideologikh atzenta ths kentrodejias, kyrie Ekproswpe sto qema ths metanasteyshs;

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw oti einai dikes sas kriseis. Ennoeitai pws exoyme jekaqarh qesh kai gia th metanasteysh kai gia thn asfaleia sth xwra mas kai gia thn polypolitismikothta poy einai aparaithth. Ayth h kybernhsh apodeiknyei oti tolma na ta balei me tis kaqhmerines dyskolies poy antimetwpizei o Ellhnas poliths me thn asfaleia toy kratoys mas kai me thn katoxyrwsh twn synorwn ths xwras mas. H tolmh kai h apofasistikothta einai idiaitera xarakthristika ayths ths kybernhshs, mias kai tolmame na apofasizoyme pragmata poy epi xronia, to mono poy ekanan htan na sysswreyoyn problhmata sth xwra mas.

XIDIROGLOY: Telika, syggnwmh poy qa epimeinw s'ayto, giati einai shmantiko, eiste yper h kata ths polypolitismikothtas;

PETALWTHS: Qa moy ejhghsete ti ennoeite legontas polypolitismikothta;

XIDIROGLOY: Syggnwmh, epeidh eqese to qema o k. Papoytshs kai epeidh h metanasteysh einai poly chla sthn politikh atzenta, qa hqela mia dieykrinish gi' ayto to qema.

PETALWTHS: H polypolitismikothta exei polles ennoies. Eseis, ean antilambanomai thn ennoia sthn opoia anaferesqe, polypolitismikothta shmainei na synyparxoyn polloi politismoi se mia xwra. Exoyme pei polles fores oti ayto einai ploytos, alla einai diaforetiko apo thn mh katoxyrwsh ths nomimothtas. H nomimothta kai h asfaleia se mia xwra einai shmantika kai h polypolitismikothta, sto epipedo toy politismoy kai ths synyparjhs politismwn, safws kai einai ploytos gia mia xwra.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Qa hqela na mas enhmerwsete gia to stadio poy briskontai oi synomilies me thn israhlinh pleyra gia mia endexomenh synergasia ston energeiako tomea.

PETALWTHS: O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn kai anaplhrwths Prwqypoyrgos toy Israhl k. Limperman brisketai sth xwra mas, eixe synanthseis me polloys ypoyrgoys kai prin apo ligh wra synanthqhke kai me ton Prwqypoyrgo k. Papandreoy. Ta qemata poy tiqentai sthn atzenta synergasias, einai oikonomikoy, energeiakoy endiaferontos, agrotikhs paragwghs - mias kai to Israhl exei sygkekrimenh agrotikh paragwgh poy endiaferei kai th xwra mas- kai qemata kainotomias opoy to Israhl shmeiwnei megalh proodo. Gia ola ayta ta qemata yparxei mia atzenta synergasias, h opoia fysika ejeidikeyetai kata diasthmata. Epishs, yparxei synergasia se epipedo antimetwpishs fysikwn katastrofwn kai ayto apodeixqhke prin apo ligoys mhnes me tis megales pyrkagies poy jespasan sth Xaifa.

KALARRYTHS: Prin apo ligo h PASKE ejedwse mia poly sklhrh anakoinwsh kata ths kybernhtikhs politikhs legontas, metajy allwn, oti ayth h politikh den einai ayth gia thn opoia agwnisthke h PASKE, den exei kamia sxesh me to politiko kai ideologiko periexomeno toy PASOK kai oyte me tis proeklogikes ejaggelies toy. Poia einai h apanthsh sas;

PETALWTHS: H PASKE einai mia syndikalistikh paratajh ergazomenwn kai ws tetoia exei dikaiwma kai na krinei kai na exei tis apoceis ths. Emeis, ws kybernhsh, exoyme ejhghsei ston ellhniko lao edw kai 14 mhnes, oti kanoyme mia shmantikotath doyleia kai yphretoyme to eqniko mas xreos, to opoio einai na swsoyme th xwra. To na swsoyme th xwra einai panw ap' ola. Einai amesh proteraiothta kai sygxronws prospaqoyme kai epiferoyme aytes tis megales allages, etsi wste na ejaleicoyme polles paqogeneies ths ellhnikhs koinwnias kai ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Apo ekei kai pera, kaqenas to antilambanetai opws nomizei. Apo thn pleyra mas, emeis yphretoyme to eqniko mas xreos gia th swthria ths xwras.

PAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, par' ola ayta, den apasxoloyn thn kybernhsh oti oi antidraseis poy exei apo tis metarryqmiseis proerxontai apo enan xwro poy gia polla xronia htan h raxokokalia ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: Ennoeite apo ton syndikalistiko xwro;

PAPPA: Akribws.

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy mas endiaferei einai na kanoyme tis megales allages. Na swsoyme th xwra kai na pragmatopoihsoyme tis megales diarqrwtikes allages. Einai epomeno oti qa yparxoyn kradasmoi. Einai epomeno oti qa yparxoyn enstaseis kai antirrhseis gia polloys logoys. Kaqenas gia toys dikoys toy logoys mporei na exei tis enstaseis toy. Emeis, omws, exoyme plhrh pepoiqhsh oti epiteloyme to xreos mas. Den perase oyte mia mera poy na mhn paleyoyme me ta megala problhmata ths xwras mas kai aytos einai o skopos mas. Eimaste tagmenoi s' enan eqniko stoxo kai ayton yphretoyme.

KALARRYTHS: Stis proqeseis toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias, ths kybernhshs, einai na allajei o nomos gia thn apagoreysh toy kapnismatos kai na epiblhqei enas foros sta katasthmata, ta opoia qa epitrepoyn to kapnisma stoys pelates. Ayth h istoria den jekinhse ws mia prwtoboylia...

PETALWTHS: Eseis, ayto apo poy to eklambanete;

KALARRYTHS: Apo ta shmerina dhmosieymata. Isxyei kat' arxhn;

PETALWTHS: Qa moy epitrecete na mhn sxoliasw dhmosieymata, giati polles fores diabazoyme kapoia poy isxyoyn h kapoia alla poy den isxyoyn. Yparxei enas sygkekrimenos nomos gia to kapnisma. Einai alhqeia oti yparxei enas problhmatismos sthn kybernhsh, etsi wste aytos o nomos na efarmosqei h na beltiwqei opoy blepoyme oti exei ateleies. Ej alloy, oi nomoi einai gi' ayto kai fysika beltiwnontai otan paroysiazontai problhmata h elleiceis me gnwmona, fysika, to dhmosio symferon kai th dhmosia ygeia, giati edw prokeitai gia th dhmosia ygeia.

KALARRYTHS: Eipate gia th dhmosia ygeia. Epeidh ta reportaz anaferoyn oti stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs einai na epiblhqei foros sta katasthmata poy qa epitrepoyn to kapnisma, sas rwtw giati jekinhse ws mia prwtoboylia gia na diafylaxqei h ygeia twn Ellhnwn kai ejelissetai se ena eispraktiko metro. Antallassete thn ygeia toy kosmoy me merika ekatommyria parapanw; Ayto prokyptei apo to reportaz.

PETALWTHS: Emeis exoyme apodeijei oti to mono poy mas endiaferei einai h dhmosia ygeia. Ean qelame na eisprattoyme foroys, qa protrepame ton kosmo na kapnizei gia na pairnoyme toys emmesoys foroys. Eimaste jekaqaroi ws pros ayto. H dhmosia ygeia einai to apan. Ej alloy, gi' ayton akribws ton logo ferame ayton ton nomo. Epanalambanw, omws, epeidh lambanoyme yp' ocin oles tis parametroys, ean diapistwqei oti yparxoyn ateleies, aytes oi ateleies qa beltiwqoyn.

KALARRYTHS: Giati den efarmozete apla ton nomo; Poia einai h ateleia;

PETALWTHS: Einai qema toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias. Ean yparjoyn apofaseis, qa anakoinwqoyn.

TZANNETATOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Poio htan to antikeimeno ths synanthshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy me thn Enwsh Ellhnwn Efoplistwn;

PETALWTHS: Mexri thn wra poy hrqa sto briefing h synanthsh htan se ejelijh. Einai se oloys gnwsto oti oi Ellhnes efoplistes apoteloyn, se ola ta epipeda, ena poly shmantiko kommati ths oikonomias mas. Kai sto epipedo ths apasxolhshs me thn dhmioyrgia qesewn ergasias kai sto epipedo toy epixeirein me ameso oikonomiko antiktypo apo th drasthriothta toys. O ypoyrgos Qalassiwn Ypoqesewn k. Diamantidhs poy symmeteixe sth synanthsh, qa probei se anakoinwseis.

TZANNETATOS: Qa yparjoyn anakoinwseis;

PETALWTHS: Prepei na exoyn hdh ginei.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Gia ena qema ths trexoysas epikairothtas kai sygkekrimena gia tis astikes sygkoinwnies qa hqela na rwthsw: Poio einai to sxedio ths kybernhshs s' ayto to metwpo; Giati blepoyme toys ergazomenoys na mhn ypoxwroyn. Diabazoyme kai mia dhlwsh toy k. Reppa gia prosklhsh se dialogo. Pws qa apanthsei h kybernhsh; Ti qa kanei apo edw kai pera;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, na ypenqymisw oti to qema twn astikwn sygkoinwniwn sthn Attikh htan ena qema me para polla problhmata, ta opoia fainontai, an dei kaneis ta terastia elleimmata aytwn twn epixeirhsewn. Epixeirhseis oi opoies htan pente ston ariqmo kai oi opoies eprepe, safws, na symmazeytoyn, na noikokyreytoyn, na mpei mia tajh. Kai ayto akribws kanoyme. Bazoyme tajh stis sygkoinwnies pros ofelos toy polith ths Attikhs, o opoios den eixe kai tis kalyteres parexomenes yphresies. Epiprosqetws, yphrxe kai to yperogko elleimma to opoio epibaryne ton kratiko proypologismo. Apenanti s' ola ayta, katastrwsame sxedio. Ena sxedio ejygianshs, mias neas arxhs stis astikes sygkoinwnies. Kai ayto to sxedio eimaste apofasismenoi na to ylopoihsoyme. Hdh eginan oi dyo apo ton nomo epiballomenes anagnwseis sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio gia to sxedio ayto kai apo shmera brisketai se diaboyleysh. Gi' ayto akribws kai o kaq' ylhn armodios ypoyrgos, o k. Reppas, exei kalesei ta swmateia twn ergazomenwn se syzhthsh kai diaboyleysh. Kai ej oswn gnwrizw, hdh, ena swmateio exei ekdhlwsei to endiaferon toy na synanthqei me ton k. Reppa kai na yparjei mia megalh syzhthsh. Apo ekei kai pera, einai qema eyqynhs olwn mas, kyriws toy kratoys, to opoio askei mia sygkekrimenh politikh, alla kai twn ergazomenwn na antilhfqoyme to poso shmantiko einai na yparxoyn sygkoinwnies, pros ofelos toy Ellhna polith. Kai fysika, poso shmantiko einai na periorisqoyn ta elleimmata mesa apo mia teleiws diaforetikh, eksygxronismenh kai orqologistikh prooptikh kai logikh twn sygkoinwniwn, etsi wste na exoyme kai to poqhto apotelesma.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Syggnwmh, kyrie Ekproswpe, alla qa hqela thn proqesh ths kybernhshs mexri to peras ayths ths diaboyleyshs, epeidh kai shmera eixe kriqei paranomh h apergia, alla ginetai ``xamos'' stoys dromoys. Ayto qa synexisqei mexri na oloklhrwqei h diaboyleysh h qa parete kapoia alla metra;

PETALWTHS: Parallhla me thn prosklhsh se diaboyleysh poy oytws h allws einai ena typiko meros ths chfishs twn nomosxediwn, exw pei oti kaqenas qa prepei na analabei tis eyqynes toy. Pera apo ta dikaiwmata poy exoyme ws ergazomenoi kai ta proaspizomaste, yparxei kai o nomos. Otan yparxei dikastikh apofash h opoia krinei ws paranomh kai kataxrhstikh mia apergia, qa prepei safws kai na thn efarmozoyme. Apo ekei kai pera, proskaloyme toys ergazomenoys na synaisqanqoyn tis eyqynes toys. Na stamathsoyn thn apergia, na stamathsei h talaipwria toy epibatikoy koinoy sthn prwteyoysa kai na proselqoyn se dialogo, se syzhthsh, etsi wste na yparjei sto telos ena nomosxedio poy qa einai to kalytero dynato.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Dhladh, ean den analaboyn tis eyqynes toys, opws toys tis katalogizete, qa pate se efarmogh toy nomoy, o opoios, an den kanw laqos, fqanei mexri thn apolysh;

PETALWTHS: Oi nomoi yparxoyn, isxyoyn kai efarmozontai enanti olwn anejairetws. Synepws, den tiqetai kan qema mh efarmoghs toy nomoy. Epeidh, omws, ayto einai ena tromera akraio metro kai den qeloyme na to skeftomaste, yparxei polys xronos, endiamesos xronos, etsi wste kai ta dikaiwmata toys oi ergazomenoi na ta yperaspisqoyn kai na beltiwqei to paron sxedio nomoy, ean pisteyoyn oti exei elleiceis h prepei na ginei kati diaforetiko. Kai fysika as skeftomaste oloi, eidika osoi yphretoyn to dhmosio symferon mesa apo sygkekrimenes qeseis, oti exoyme ayjhmenh eyqynh. Ara, as mhn protrexoyme kai as mhn lambanoyme tis akraies periptwseis antimetwpishs.

PAPPA: H kybernhsh epimenei oti den yparxei qema epitajhs gia toys ergazomenoys stis sygkoinwnies;

PETALWTHS: Sas anefera oti protoy fqasoyme s' ayta ta metra, kai h epitajh einai ena metro ekteleshs kapoias apofashs, protoy loipon fqasoyme s' ayta, exoyme dialogo. Kaloyme toys ergazomenoys na analaboyn tis eyqynes toys, kaloyme toys ergazomenoys na proselqoyn se dialogo, na stamathsoyn thn apergia kai malista otan aytes oi apergies plhttoyn ta mesaia kai kyriws ta adynama strwmata ths koinwnias mas. Ayto qa mporoysame na to dexqoyme prwton, ean den yphrxe h apofash toy dikasthrioy kai fysika ean den yphrxe kai h prosklhsh se dialogo.

KALARRYTHS: Me aformh thn apofash ths kybernhshs na syndramei toys katoikoys toy Distomoy sthn prosfygh toys kata toy germanikoy kratoys gia tis apozhmiwseis, hqela na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh ejetazei, epishs, to endexomeno na diereynhsei ta periqwria gia thn diekdikhsh twn polemikwn apozhmiwsewn enanti ths Germanias pros to ellhniko kratos. Anaferomai oxi stis apozhmiwseis twn perioxwn opoy eginan oi qhriwdies twn Germanwn, alla stis polemikes apozhmiwseis, 160 dis, an den kanw laqos.

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai ena megalo kai synqeto qema kai ennoeitai oti den qa mporoysa na sas to apanthsw shmera egw.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo apogeyma. --1427249692-1599750985-1294961065=:16008--

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