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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 10 Ianoyarioy 2011

Ariqmos Deltioy: 310171367

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 10 Ianoyarioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri, kalh xronia se oloys mas kai kalh ebdomada.

Afhsame pisw mas mia dyskolh xronia, isws, thn pio dyskolh metapoliteytika. To 2010 htan ena etos poy eidame thn alhqeia katamata, otan oloi diapistwsame thn pragmatikothta poy biwname kai oloi antilhfqhkame poso konta briskomastan sth xrewkopia, oxi mono oikonomikh, alla se politiko kai se koinwniko kat` epektash epipedo. Labame dyskoles apofaseis, ws kybernhsh, ws xwra, me ychlh synaisqhsh eyqynhs. Apolyta anagkaies gia th biwsimothta ths xwras kai gia na apokthsoyme ek neoy to dikaiwma, na elpizoyme gia to mellon.

Oi apofaseis aytes mas eferan se qesh na mporoyme na kerdisoyme ton aparaithto xrono gia na allajoyme oristika to proswpo ths xwras mas kai se ayto eimaste apofasismenoi kai atalanteytoi. Ta apotelesmata einai hdh orata. Oi dyskolies, safws, den exoyn jeperastei. Alla, exoyme pleon apotelesmata ta opoia einai metrhsima.

Symfwna me ta proswrina stoixeia ekteleshs toy Proypologismoy toy 2010, ta apotelesmata einai kalytera apo ta problepomena. Pio sygkekrimena, to elleimma meiwqhke kata 36,5%, enanti arxikwn ektimhsewn gia meiwsh 33,2%, dhladh 1 disekatommyrio eyrw. Ta esoda, epishs, ayjhqhkan kata 7%.

To 2011, apo edw kai pera, qa einai sigoyra mia diaforetikh xronia, ejisoy dyskolh kai proklhtikh, alla me alles stoxeyseis kai diaforetikes proteraiothtes. Einai h xronia twn megalwn diarqrwtikwn allagwn gia th xwra. Twn allagwn poy qa apeleyqerwsoyn tis paragwgikes dynameis ths xwras kai qa qesoyn tis baseis ths ygioys kai biwsimhs anaptyjhs. Mias anaptyjhs poy htan adynato na erqei sth bash enos antiparagwgikoy kai dyskinhtoy monteloy anaptyjhs se oloys toys tomeis.

Mexri to telos toy mhna, qa exei chfistei o neos ependytikos nomos, o opoios den basizetai pleon se mia logikh epidothsewn, me ta gnwsta apotelesmata, alla poy eynoei thn kainotomia kai thn ygih epixeirhmatikothta, me qespish newn paragwgikwn kinhtrwn.

Shmera, apo to ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn teqhke se diaboyleysh to sxedio nomoy gia thn hlektronikh diakybernhsh. Ena prwtoporiako sxedio poy xtypa th diafqora sth riza ths, enw parallhla dieykolynei th synallagh twn politwn me to dhmosio, eisagontas plhqos hlektronikwn kainotomiwn, poy qa kanei thn kaqhmerinothta toy polith pio eykolh kai pio poiotikh.

Parallhla, proxwrame sto anoigma twn kleistwn epaggelmatwn me sobarh kai ektetamenh diaboyleysh me toys emplekomenoys foreis, wste na pacei pleon na yfistatai mia katastash entonwn periorismwn, monadikh sthn Eyrwph. Na apeleyqerwqoyn epipleon dynatothtes ergasias se sympolites mas kai na fqanoyn oi yphresies aytwn twn epaggelmatwn me pio eykolo tropo, pio prosita kai me kalyteres times.

Telos, o ``Kallikraths'' exei hdh jekinhsei thn poreia toy kai anadiorganwnei to dioikhtiko xarth ths xwras, se mia prwtofanh metafora armodiothtwn apo thn kentrikh ejoysia sthn perifereia. Mia metabash me omalo tropo kai me amesh epiptwsh kai sto epiteliko kratos.

To 2011 einai mia xronia rizikwn allagwn, megalwn tomwn sth dhmosia dioikhsh poy qa mas odhghsoyn sth biwsimh kai ygih anaptyjh. Ekei strefetai pleon h prospaqeia. Ekei qa ajiopoihqoyn oi dynatothtes ths patridas mas.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se olo ayto to diasthma poy den kaname briefing bebaiws, exoyn prohghqei kapoies dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy poy exoyn enoxlhsei kai arketa kybernhtika stelexh ta opoia diafwnoyn entona me ayta poy exei dhlwsei o k. Pagkalos. Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs kai an exei enoxlhqei o idios o Prwqypoyrgos.

PETALWTHS: Mporei na mh ginotan briefing, logw twn eortwn, alla to sygkekrimeno zhthma exei apanthqei kai exei ejantlhqei en pollois. Epaneilhmmenws exw dhlwsei oti o k. Pagkalos ejefrase me to diko toy tropo kapoies apoceis. Yparxoyn, omws, qesmika ekfrasmenes, oxi mono oi apoceis, alla kai h praktikh ths kybernhshs gia to pws blepei to dhmosio tomea, pws blepei tis sxeseis empistosynhs toy kratoys me ton polith. Oloi oi polites, pleon, blepoyn ta almata poy ginontai sto dhmosio tomea, etsi wste na einai paragwgikos kai prositos sthn yphresia toy polith, me plhrh sebasmo kai twn ergasiakwn dikaiwmatwn twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn, alla kyriws me apokleistiko gnwmona to dhmosio symferon.

KOYTRAS: Sygnwmh, o k. Pagkalos den einai o opoiosdhpote tyxaios politikos. Einai to noymero dyo ths kybernhshs. Einai o antiproedros ths kybernhshs. Apodokimazei h kybernhsh aytes tis dhlwseis, nai h oxi;

PETALWTHS: Kat` arxas, den htan dhlwseis panw se ena sygkekrimeno zhthma. Fysika, oyte o k. Pagkalos epixeirhse na ekfrasei apoceis ths kybernhshs. Exei enan diko toy tropo na ekfrazetai kai eipe kapoies dikes toy apoceis. H kybernhsh exei qesmoqethmeno tropo na ekfrazei tis apoceis ths kai den einai mono qewrhtikh h ekfrash twn apocewn ths kybernhshs. Sth dhmosia dioikhsh exoyn ginei terasties tomes, exoyn ginei megales diarqrwtikes allages kai ejakoloyqoyn na ginontai.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Me sygxwreite kyrie Ekproswpe, oi dhlwseis kai topoqethseis twn ypoyrgwn kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh toy antiproedroy malista, den ekfrazoyn, den xarakthrizoyn thn kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Xarakthrizoyn ayton poy kanei tis dhlwseis. Epanalambanw oti einai apoceis aytoy poy tis leei. H kybernhsh exei qesmiko rolo na ekfrazei tis apoceis ths kai kyriws exei dokimastei se aytoys toys 15 mhnes, pws ennoei kai poso sebetai to dhmosio tomea kai ton polith.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Diakrinw mia emmesh apodokimasia, mia emmesh apostash en pash periptwsei, opws synhqizoyme na leme, apo tis dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy. Ti fobaste kai den apodokimazete eyqews; Na peite oti den ekfrazoyn, einai makria apo thn koyltoyra ths kybernhshs kai paei legontas. Ti fobaste; Fobaste ton k. Pagkalo kai tis antidraseis toy, mhpws o k. Pagkalos me ton wraio tropo poy ta leei enantion allwn, ta pei kai enantion toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh den fobatai tipote. Den exei fobhqei dyskolies, oi opoies htan kai einai prwtognwres gia oloys mas. Safws, ayth h ermhneia den aggizei thn pragmatikothta. H kybernhsh me tis prajeis ths exei apodeijei pws ennoei to dhmosio tomea kai pws ennoei th sxesh empistosynhs se ola ta epipeda. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti h xwra mas exei poly megala problhmata, to idio kai o aplos poliths. To gnwrizoyme, ta zoyme. To na erxomaste kai na syzhtame gia tetoioy eidoys qemata, telika apokryptontas ta megala problhmata, nomizw oti adikei th dhmosia syzhthsh kai gia to politiko systhma kai gia thn poreia ths xwras mas apo edw kai pera.

MAKRYGIANNHS: O aplos poliths den pernaei pantws to rebegion toy se polytelh jenodoxeia kyrie Petalwth, filojenoymenos epixeirhmatiwn poy malista exoyn xreh pros to dhmosio. Ti leei h kybernhsh, gia ton polytelh tropo me ton opoio diabiei o k. Pagkalos, thn wra poy o k. Pagkalos ekfrazetai me ayto ton tropo poy ekfrazetai gia toys aploys polites. Yparxei qema kai giati den yphrje apanthsh mexri twra apo ton k. Pagkalo h thn kybernhsh gi` ayto to qema;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh den exei kanena logo na apanthsei. Ap` oso exw dei, exei apanthsei me analytikes anakoinwseis ston Typo, to jenodoxeio sto opoio anafereste kai to opoio fysika exei diaforetikoys isxyrismoys ap` aytoys poy anaferontai sto sxetiko reportaz.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ekproswpeiste apo to jenodoxeio eseis, ws kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei qema, oyte na apologeitai, oyte na dhlwnei kati ep` aytoy h kybernhsh.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Sas ekproswpei to jenodoxeio;

PETALWTHS: Den tiqetai qema ekproswphshs. Alla, en pash periptwsei, h kybernhsh asxoleitai me sobara zhthmata. Apo ekei kai pera, syzhtoyntai ta panta, alla sto qesmiko plaisio to opoio prepei na syzhtoyntai.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Qema apomakrynshs toy k. Pagkaloy apo thn kybernhsh yparxei kyrie Petalwth, meta ta osa exoyn prohghqei me dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy enantion diaforwn koinwnikwn kai epaggelmatikwn omadwn kai meta thn apokalych oti pernaei toso wraia o k. Pagkalos telika;

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw gia allh mia fora oti h kybernhsh exei apodeijei sthn prajh pws ennoei to dhmosio bio kai pws ennoei to politiko systhma kai ola ta ergaleia toy politikoy systhmatos poy einai kai to Dhmosio.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Den kataferate na peisete, oyte to PA.SO.K. Sas lew loipon mia teleytaia erwthsh...

PETALWTHS: Eyxaristw gia th symboylh sas.

MAKRYGIANNHS: ... sas epishmainw loipon to ejhs: Stelexh toy PA.SO.K., me shmerinh toys anakoinwsh, ayta toylaxiston poy ekfrazontai kai metexoyn sthn aristerh prwtoboylia, qewroyn ton k. Pagkalo sykofanth, oti den diaqetei to dhmokratiko fronhma kai hqos poy apaitoyn oi peristaseis, oi epoxes kai o ellhnikos laos. Ti exete na peite ep` aytoy;

PETALWTHS: To PA.SO.K. einai ena anoixto komma. Oysiastika exei qesmoqethsei th diaforetikothta sthn ekfrash twn apocewn. Synepws, oi syzhthseis poy ginontai mesa sto PA.SO.K. kai me anakoinwseis, einai qema dhmokratikothtas toy kommatos, to opoio kyberna th xwra. Ayth h kybernhsh exei apodeijei poly kala kai to apodeiknyoyme kaqe mera, poia einai h sxesh ths me to politiko systhma, poia einai h apoch kai h nootropia poy exei gia thn politikh kai fysika gia to dhmosio bio.

PAPPA: Ep` aytoy kyrie Ekproswpe, qewreite dhladh oti den yparxei politiko, hqiko kai aisqhtiko qema gia thn kybernhsh, me osa leei kai prattei o k. Pagkalos poy profanestata kai ejofqalma prokaloyn toys polites;

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa prohgoymenws. Ean h apanthsh moy den sas ekfrazei, einai diko sas qema. Apanthsa kai en pollois oles aytes tis hmeres, alla kai prohgoymenws se erwthseis synadelfwn sas.

PAPPA: Me sygxwreite, lete oti h kybernhsh exei kanei sygkekrimena pragmata gia toys polites klp. O k. Pagkalos den einai aplws melos ths kybernhshs, einai o antiproedros ths kybernhshs.

PETALWTHS: To eipe prohgoymenws kai synadelfos sas.

PAPPA: Qa hqela na epanelqw, peirazei;

PETALWTHS: Exw apanthsei ep' aytoy.

PAPPA: Dhladh, den yparxei qema gia thn kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Exw apanthsei.

PAPPA: H kybernhsh ekfrazei dysforia;

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa prin apo liga lepta.

XIDIROGLOY: Oi polites kinhtopoioyntai dynamika enantion ths epibolhs diodiwn. Kai malista, gia yphresies amfiboloy poiothtas. Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs kai pws sxoliazei tis kinhtopoihseis twn politwn, oi opoioi plhttontai.

PETALWTHS: Einai ena pragmatiko zhthma. Ena zhthma poy exei na kanei me th dyskolh oikonomikh katastash poy pernoyn oi polites kai kyriws aytoi oi opoioi diamenoyn stis perioxes opoy yparxoyn diodia. Na ypenqymisw, omws, oti yparxei mia symbash toy 2007. H ayjhsh toy komistroy twn diodiwn den egine apo ayth thn kybernhsh, apo tote exoyn apofasistei oi times kai oi ayjhseis twn diodiwn. Emeis exoyme desmeytei oti qa epanejetasoyme to zhthma kai desmeyomaste kai shmera na kanoyme enan diaforetiko sxediasmo. Exoyme jekinhsei th syzhthsh gia to synolo twn qematwn poy aforoyn ayta ta erga, opws einai oi apofaseis toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias, periballontika, xrhmatodotika, diodia klp. Ginetai syzhthsh kai yparxei apofash na proteinoyme stoys paraxwrhsioyxoys se etaireies poy ekmetalleyontai ta diodia, thn antikatastash twn symbatikwn diodiwn me hlektronika, etsi wste oi xrhstes na plhrwnoyn analoga me ta xiliometra ths odoy poy xrhsimopoioyn. Ayth einai h diafora mas me th N.D. Den blepoyme ta pragmata isopedwtika kai dhlwnoyme oti mexri to Martio qa eimaste etoimoi wste na feroyme tis tropologies sth Boylh. Emeis leitoyrgoyme me gnwmona to dhmosio symferon. Fysika kai oi idiwtes poy emplekontai se ayta ta erga kai sthn ekmetalleysh twn diodiwn, qa prepei na epideijoyn kai thn analogh eyqynh. Einai ena zhthma, omws, to opoio safws to anagnwrizoyme.

MPEQANH: Tis teleytaies meres eite apo dhlwseis toy k. Kapelerh eite apo dhmosieymata, yparxoyn plhrofories oti oi ereynes toy SDOE exoyn stoixeia gia politika proswpa, twn opoiwn h perioysiakh katastash den dikaiologeitai apo to ``poqen esxes''. Ean, ontws, yparxoyn ayta ta stoixeia, ti protiqetai na prajei h kybernhsh me dedomeno oti kai o Prwqypoyrgos feretai na exei dhlwsei se syskech gia to qema ths diafqoras twn politikwn proswpwn oti qelei apanthsh, giati kanenas den paei fylakh.

PETALWTHS: Aytes oi dhlwseis, prwta ap' ola, einai dhlwseis enos reportaz. Ekeino omws poy mporw na sas pw einai oti yparxei pagia, isxyrh entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros thn kybernhsh kai pros ola ta dioikhtika organa na yparxei plhrhs diafaneia sto dhmosio bio. Ayth h apofash einai apofash thn opoia ylopoioyn ta kybernhtika organa, alla kai entolh poy perna kai pros ta katw. Xairomaste poy to SDOE, to opoio kanei anejarthta th doyleia toy kai den yparxei politikh parembash kai kybernhtikh ennoeitai, exei epiteloys stoixeia, giati yparxei h boylhsh apo thn pleyra ths Politeias me ayth thn kybernhsh na diereynhqoyn ola ekeina ta skoteina shmeia, opoy yparxoyn akomh kai skies kataspatalhshs toy dhmosioy xrhmatos. Ekei eimaste atalanteytoi, eimaste anypoxwrhtoi. Kai fysika ayto den exei kai sxesh me th sygkyria. Ean eixe sxesh me thn paroysa sygkyria, qa adikoysame pragmatika thn oysia ayths ths ryqmishs. Emeis qeloyme na dhmioyrghsoyme ekeinoys toys qesmoys, oi opoioi pragmatika qa synexisoyn na ejixniazoyn kai na diereynoyn ta panta. Gi' ayto akribws o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, o k. Ragkoyshs, milhse proxqes gia to ``poqen esxes'' twn boyleytwn kai twn politikwn. Exei de systaqei armodia episthmonikh epitroph poy qa ferei sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias mia oloklhrwmenh protash gia to ``poqen esxes'' twn politikwn, gia to pragmatiko ``poqen esxes'', etsi wste h roh toy politikoy xrhmatos na einai diafanhs kai na mhn exoyme ayta poy eixame mexri twra. To idio ginetai kai me to forologiko nomosxedio poy qa katateqei to epomeno xroniko diasthma sth Boylh kai qa anaferetai sthn anasystash pollwn foroeispraktikwn mhxanismwn, kaqws kai stis sobares epiptwseis poy qa exoyn osoi apokryptoyn ta eisodhmata toys. Alla kai to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs, qesmika, parembainei etsi wste na dhmioyrghqoyn dikaiikoi kai dikonomikoi qesmoi poy qa ekdikazoyn grhgora, syntoma kai oysiastika tetoioy eidoys ypoqeseis. Qelw na pw, en katakleidi, oti einai mia seira apo prwtoboylies poy einai antikeimeno epejergasias apo thn kybernhsh, etsi wste h diafaneia sto dhmosio bio kai sto dhmosio xrhma na einai jekaqarh. Epitrecte moy epishs na symplhrwsw oti ayto poy egine me th ``Diaygeia'', opoy kamia prajh ypoyrgoy alla kai alloy organoy ths Dioikhshs den isxyei ean den anartatai sto diadiktyo, ef` oson kyriws exei na kanei me diaxeirish toy dhmosioy xrhmatos, akomh kai enos eyrw, einai ena shmantiko bhma, tetoio poy kobei kai qa kobei sto mellon tis orejeis diaforwn politikwn h mh, oi opoioi qa empainan sth logikh ths prohgoymenhs, kyriws, kybernhshs na kataspataloyn to dhmosio xrhma kata to dokoyn.

PITTARAS: Na moy epitrecete na sas pw, bebaia, oti ayta poy lete mallon einai eyxes.

PETALWTHS: Kaqoloy.

PITTARAS: Kai qa sas to pw me ena paradeigma kai malista poly nwpo, xqesino kai anaferomai sta stoixeia gia ton EOT poy bghkan sth dhmosiothta. Kai pali ekei blepoyme profanws ena ``parti'', alla fainetai oti thn ``plhrwnoyn'' kai pali kapoioi ypallhloi, 14 ton ariqmo. Kai anaferesqe se mia sygkekrimenh dietia, th dietia 2008-2009, poy yphrxan dyo sygkekrimena politika proswpa poy hsan ypoyrgoi. Giati den akoympate ta toy oikoy sas kai panta rixnete tis eyqynes se kapoioys ypallhloys;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, ypeyqynoi einai oloi kai osoi exoyn politiko rolo kai osoi exoyn ektelestiko kai dioikhtiko rolo. Kaneis den einai aneyqynos otan exei orkisqei kai otan exei taxqei apo thn Politeia na diafylassei to dhmosio symferon, eite politikos einai aytos eite dioikhtikos ypallhlos. Ara, den mporoyme na jexwrizoyme kanenan.

Oson afora ston EOT, to Swma Epiqewrhtwn Dhmosias Dioikhshs, pragmati, exei ekdwsei mia ekqesh, ena porisma poy einai kolafos gia tis prohgoymenes dioikhseis toy EOT kai gia to ``parti'' poy ginotan. To porisma ayto exei hdh diabibasqei ston Eisaggelea. Ean yparxei emplokh politikwn proswpwn, yfistatai qesmoqethmenh diadikasia basei ths opoias o Eisaggeleas qa to steilei sth Boylh. Safws kai den milame monon gia dioikhtikoys ypallhloys. Yparxei anejarthth Arxh poy kanei th doyleia ths. Emeis qeloyme na rijoyme fws pantoy, opoy yparxoyn skies. Ayto einai dedomeno. Kai fysika den einai eyxes, giati to forologiko nomosxedio, opws sas eipa, hdh katatiqetai sth Boylh ton epomeno mhna. Hdh, to ``poqen esxes'' gia toys boyleytes kai toys politikoys tygxanei, ayth th stigmh, sygkekrimenhs epejergasias kai fysika qa perasei apo thn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias. Alla kai sth Dikaiosynh ginontai tomes. Einai, akribws, ayth h kybernhsh poy den menei se eyxes, alla kanei prajh tis megales kai diarqrwtikes allages.

KALLARYTHS: O k. Benizelos, me synenteyjh toy to Sabbatokyriako, amfisbhthse thn anagkaiothta na sygkrothqei h systash ejetastikhs epitrophs gia thn oikonomia. Poia h apoch ths kybernhshs; Epimenei sthn anagkaiothta ayths ths epitrophs h oxi;

PETALWTHS: Emeis epimenoyme sth diereynhsh se ola ta prosfora epipeda. Na ypenqymisw oti hdh yparxei katateqeimeno aithma sth Boylh ypogegrammeno apo olh thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada gia th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs apo ton Febroyario toy 2010 gia ta parapoihmena stoixeia gia thn oikonomia. Apo ekei kai pera, to pio prosforo meson to opoio qa akoloyqhsoyme, einai ayto to opoio, pragmatika, qa ejixniasei otidhpote kai opoy yparxoyn skies.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Sygnwmh, ti ennoeite; Etsi opws to eipate, ti ennoeite; Yparxei protash gia Ejetastikh Epitroph. Mporei na yparjei kapoia allh energeia anti ths systashs Ejetastikhs Epitrophs poy qa qewrhqei pio prosforo meson;

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy exoyme einai ayth h protash, ayth h aithsh gia thn Ejetastikh Epitroph. Den yparxei kati allo pros to paron. Kai fysika, o k. Benizelos o opoios exei kai apoch epi politikwn kai syntagmatikwn qematwn, ejefrase thn apoch toy.

KOYTRAS: H sygkekrimenh ejetastikh qa einai mesa sto 2011 h oxi;

PETALWTHS: Oi Ejetastikes oi opoies sygkrothqhkan kai briskontai se ejelijh einai arketes. Kapoies oloklhrwnoyn to ergo toys. Hdh, perimenoyme to porisma apo thn Ejetastikh Epitroph ths Siemens. Otan kriqei oti yparxei xronos kai texnika tropos, qa energopoihqoyn kai oses den energopoihqhkan mexri twra.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epeidh eipate nwritera gia ``diafaneia'' kai gia th ``Diaygeia'', qa anarthqei sth ``Diaygeia'' h kapoy alloy en pash periptwsei, se kapoio pio prosforo meso opws lete ki eseis gia alla qemata, h lista aytwn poy xrewstoyn ta 24 dis; Giati exei perasei enas mhnas kai, kai th lista den thn exoyme dei akoma gia thn paragrafh, th diagrafh twn xrewn twn 24 dis poy eixe ferei o k. Papakwnstantinoy sth Boylh.

PETALWTHS: To sxetiko arqro exei aposyrqei.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Nai, aposyrqhke, wstoso yparxei desmeysh apo pleyras kybernhshs.

PETALWTHS: Kai den htan ``diagrafh'', htan anepidekta ekteleshs xreh. Apo ekei kai pera, ayth th stigmh den yfistatai zhthma, ypo thn ennoia oti ef' oson yparjei texnikh dynatothta, ennoeitai oti qa isxysei h diafaneia kai ekei. Fysika, analoga kai me ta proswpika dedomena, den qa yparxei kanena problhma na anakoinwqei h lista.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ti ennoeite ``proswpika dedomena''; Dhladh, den qa dwsete to onoma kapoioy sth dhmosiothta;

PETALWTHS: Den sas eipa ayto.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Alla ti eipate;

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa oti yparxei mia nomoqesia, thn opoia qa akoloyqhsoyme.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Sas erwtw kai pali: Ti ennoeite otan lete ``proswpika dedomena''; Dhladh, den qa dwsete sth dhmosiothta kapoia onomata anqrwpwn poy xrwstane, enw qa toys diagracete ta xreh h epeidh qewreite en pash periptwsei oti den mporoysate na ta eisprajete; Epomenws, den qa dwsete onomata sth dhmosiothta gia logoys prostasias proswpikwn dedomenwn;

PETALWTHS: Kyrie Makrygiannh, yparxei nomoqesia s' ayth th xwra. Yparxei h Arxh Prostasias Dedomenwn Proswpikoy Xarakthra. Kai fysika, yparxei, epishs, h apofasistikothta ths kybernhshs gia plhrh diafaneia. Aytoi einai oi gnwmones mas kai etsi leitoyrgoyme. Kaneis den eipe oti den qa dwsoyme sth dhmosiothta onomata gia logoys prostasias proswpikwn dedomenwn.

XIDIROGLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, akoysa me endiaferon thn anafora sas sth ``Diaygeia''. Einai h pollosth fora poy anaferesqe sto sygkekrimeno qema. 'Akoysa kai mia synenteyjh sas poy dwsate thn perasmenh Pempth ston R/S SKAI...

PETALWTHS: Kai qa anaferomai sto sygkekrimeno qema, dioti h kybernhsh qewrei oti prokeitai gia enan poly shmantiko qesmo.

XIDIROGLOY: Wraia. Eipate, epishs, oti kamia prajh ypoyrgoy den qa isxyei ean den anarthqei. To prohgoymeno Sabbato, h efhmerida ``ELEYQERH WRA'' sthn opoia ergazomai apokalyce ena eggrafo to opoio ypegrafh apo ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs 'Amynas stis 15 Dekembrioy kai to opoio epanaferei apo thn apostrateia sthn energo yphresia 18 ajiwmatikoys ej ypajiwmatikwn. Ayto den qa htan poly periergo, ean den anagrafotan sthn trith selida h epishmansh ``na mhn dhmosieyqei sthn Efhmerida ths Kybernhsews''. Egw hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Epeidh blepw mia synexh anafora kai malista ek meroys ths kybernhshs sth ``Diaygeia'', kata poso synadoyn tetoies energeies me th ``Diaygeia'' thn opoia eyaggelizesqe;

PETALWTHS: H ``Diaygeia'' den einai mia qewrhtikh ennoia. ``Diaygeia'' einai o nomos ths diafaneias, o nomos o opoios epiballei sta dioikhtika organa na anartoyn sto diadiktyo sygkekrimenes prajeis. 'O,ti anaferetai s' ayto ton nomo, anartatai. Den anartwntai oles oi dioikhtikes prajeis. Den gnwrizw to zhthma. Ean den xrhzei dhmosieyshs sthn Efhmerida ths Kybernhsews, ennoeitai oti den dhmosieyetai s' aythn. Kai fysika, ean den xrhzei anarthshs sto diadiktyo, den anartatai.

XIDIROGLOY: Tote, o,ti einai nomimo, ayto moy lete.

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws.

XIDIROGLOY: Den yparxei qema otan mia dioikhtikh prajh gia thn epanafora stelexwn twn Enoplwn Dynamewn apo thn apostrateia, den anakoinwnetai;

PETALWTHS: Ta zhthmata peri apostrateias den ta gnwrizw. Omws, eimai sigoyros oti to armodio ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas den qa ekane kati to opoio einai paranomo. Giati ean einai paranomo, den qa isxyei kai h epanafora toys sto strateyma. Pisteyw oti kaneis den qa tolmoyse na to kanei kai eimai sigoyros oti den yparxei kamia proqesh na ginontai en kryptw tetoioy eidoys energeies.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei kapoia apofash ths kybernhshs, sxetika me thn apeleyqerwsh ths agoras energeias;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei apofash. Ean yphrxe, qa to gnwrizate.

PAPPA: Wstoso, yphrje kapoia kinhtikothta...

PETALWTHS: Eprokeito gia mia syskech gia ta energeiaka, poy einai ena shmantiko kommati ths oikonomias mas, sto plaisio twn eswterikwn syskecewn poy ginontai sthn kybernhsh.

KOYTRAS: Ti stash exete apofasisei na krathsete sthn dikografia poy diabibasqhke prin apo ligh wra apo ton Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy sth Boylh gia ta perifhma swaps epi kybernhsewn Shmith;

PETALWTHS: Prin posh wra diabibasqhke;

KOYTRAS: Prin apo ligo.

PETALWTHS: 'Ara, einai nwris. Den exw plhroforhsh kai enhmerwsh. Alla to ``ola sto fws'' isxyei.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Sas kathgorhse h antipoliteysh, kyrie Ekproswpe, oti kanete mystikes syzhthseis kai mystikh diplwmatia, anaferomenh bebaia stis syzhthseis poy eixe me kleistes portes o 'Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos me ton Toyrko omologo toy. Yparxei kati poy prepei na mas anakoinwsete;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, na sas ypenqymisw oti ayrio qa synelqei to Symboylio Ejwterikhs Politikhs ypo ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn. Kai mesa se syntomo xroniko diasthma, mesa s' ayto ton mhna, qa diejaxqei kai mia pro hmerhsias diatajews syzhthsh sth Boylh, se epipedo politikwn arxhgwn, gia ta eqnika qemata, opoy o Prwqypoyrgos qa probei, me ton ektenestero kai analytikotero tropo, se enhmerwsh gia ta eqnika mas qemata. Apo ekei kai pera, oi kathgories peri ``mystikhs diplwmatias'' einai h profash gia na kalyfqei profanws to megalo keno, to opoio aisqanqhke h N.D. me thn ejairetika shmantikh stash kai symperifora toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy enwpion toy sygkekrimenoy akroathrioy. Emeis apodeijame kai apodeiknyoyme oti den yparxei kanena stoixeio mystikhs diplwmatias. Den xreiazetai, allwste, mystikh diplwmatia. Giati ayta poy leme kai sto eswteriko, tolmame na ta leme kai mesa sthn Toyrkia kai malista enwpion sygkekrimenoy akroathrioy. Qeloyme jekaqares qeseis me th geitona xwra. Exoyme tis apoceis mas. Exoyme plhrh bebaiothta oti ta eqnika mas symferonta ta yperaspizomaste kai einai dikaia. Kai gi' ayto akribws, den exoyme kai kanena fobiko syndromo. Ta peri ``mystikhs diplwmatias'' h N.D., isws, ta gnwrizei kalytera. Gi' ayto eixame ayth thn terastia ypoxwrhsh sth dieqnh mas paroysia, oso htan kybernhsh h N.D. Kai ayto to gnwrizoyme oloi osoi episkeptomastan to ejwteriko. Otan h kybernhsh toy PASOK anelabe th diakybernhsh ths xwras, h ajiopistia ths Ellados briskotan sto xeirotero epipedo poy qa mporoyse na yparxei. Kai ayto htan to apotelesma ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths N.D.

PAPPA: Qa dei ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias ayrio o Prwqypoyrgos;

PETALWTHS: Ayrio stis 13.00' .

PAPPA: Qa ton enhmerwsei...

PETALWTHS: Qa ton enhmerwsei gia ola ta trexonta qemata.

ZAFEIRIADOY: H ``atzenta'' ths episkechs toy k. Limperman, otan qa elqei thn Tetarth sthn Ellada;

PETALWTHS: Qa sas gnwstopoihqei.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo apogeyma. --1427249692-1784986045-1294689048=:29793--

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