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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 8 Dekembrioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 304345176

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 8 Dekembrioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Briskomaste edw kai ena xrono antimetwpoi me thn megalyterh proklhsh poy exei antimetwpisei h xwra mas, edw kai dekaeties. Kaloymaste na kanoyme prajh se poly syntomo xroniko diasthma ola ekeina poy den eginan edw kai para polla xronia. Ola ekeina ta opoia oloi paradexomastan oti eprepe na allajoyn, alla kaneis den analambane pote thn prwtoboylia na ta ylopoihsei.

H kybernhsh exei kai th boylhsh kai thn apofasistikothta na proxwrhsei se oles ekeines tis megales, oysiastikes kai pragmatikes allages poy qa apeleyqerwsoyn to dynamiko ths xwras, poy qa dwsoyn wqhsh sth biwsimh anaptyjh kai qa empedwsoyn to aisqhma ths koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs.

H prospaqeia mas htan kai einai titania kai monadikh, eidika gia xwra ths eyrwzwnhs. H mexri twra epityxia egine pragmatikothta, xarh sth boylhsh twn politwn gia pragmatikh proodo kai ejodo apo thn krish kai xarh sthn apofasistikothta ths kybernhshs.

Meiwsame drastika to elleimma kai tis spatales toy dhmosioy tomea. Proxwrhsame se mia seira allagwn, opws to forologiko, to asfalistiko, poy mas allazoyn selida.

To 2011 qa einai h xronia twn megalwn diarqrwtikwn allagwn, h xronia poy qa teqoyn oi baseis ths pragmatikhs, biwsimhs kai makroproqesmhs anaptyjhs. Einai epitaktikh anagkh na ekmetalleytoyme epiteloys tis pragmatikes mas dynatothtes, ws xwra, ws polites, anti na tis apajiwnoyme.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KOYTRAS: Mporeite kyrie Ekproswpe, na mas peite to antikeimeno, thn atzenta ths synanthshs toy k. Papandreoy me ton k. Roympini, o opoios ton teleytaio xrono leei oti h Ellada qa ptwxeysei kai molis xqes to brady eipe oti ``h draxmh h ptwxeysh'';

PETALWTHS: O k. Roympini einai enas dieqnoys fhmhs oikonomologos. Gnwrizoyme oti exei diaforetikes apoceis apo tis apoceis poy exoyme emeis. Ayto, omws, den shmainei oti den prepei na syzhtame. Einai gnwsto oti o Prwqypoyrgos qelei na akoyei oles tis protaseis kai oles tis apoceis, akomh kai an den symfwnoyme ws xwra. Alla, fysika to oti kapoios ekfrazei mia diaforetikh gnwmh, den meiwnei thn ajia ths episthmonikhs toy apochs. Sto plaisio twn epafwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai malista otan exoyme na kanoyme me mia pagkosmia krish sthn opoia entassetai kai h xwra mas, einai gonimo kai wfelimo na ginontai oles oi syzhthseis. Kai fysika h ellhnikh kybernhsh einai ayth poy exei apofasistiko logo, akoygontas otidhpote yparxei se dieqnes epipedo.

PITTARAS: Mhpws, gia na antistrecw ligo to skeptiko sas, o k. Papandreoy ton blepei epeidh eimaste konta, eite sth xreokopia, eite sthn ejodo apo to eyrw kai toylaxiston qelei na toy pei to pws qa swqoyme;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei periptwsh na isxyei kati tetoio. Oyte konta sth xreokopia eimaste. To antiqeto symbainei. Hmastan konta sth xreokopia kai to gnwrizoyme, hmastan sto xeilos ths xreokopias. Me oles tis prospaqeies poy kanei ena xrono twra o ellhnikos laos kai h ellhnikh kybernhsh, safws exoyme apomakrynqei apo ayto to endexomeno. Safestata, yparxei polys dromos akomh gia na bgoyme apo thn krish. Kai fysika den eimaste oyte konta sto na bgoyme apo to eyrw. To antiqeto. Emeis eimaste poy xtizoyme th staqerothta kai thn apofasistikothta sthn oikonomikh mas politikh. Th staqerothta thn opoia ayth th stigmh oloi oi dieqneis paragontes mas anagnwrizoyn kai fysika yparxei elpida kai aisiodojia gia to mellon ths xwras mas.

SIDERHS: Meta ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias kai o Stros Kan eipe oti oi ploysioi kai eyporoi prepei na analaboyn thn eyqynh gia to oikonomiko baros ths krishs. Posa exete parei apo toys ploysioys, toys exontes kai katexontes, olo ayto to xrono, ton idio kairo poy afaimazate syntajeis kai misqoys toy Dhmosioy;

PETALWTHS: Emeis gia prwth fora qesame krithria kai mesa apo th qespish forologikwn nomwn, etsi wste na yparxei koinwnikh Dikaiosynh sthn epibolh ths forologias. Gia prwth fora ginontai toses polles diastayrwseis eisodhmatwn kai perioysiakwn stoixeiwn. Exoyme epibalei ektakth eisfora gia deyterh fora sta poly megala eisodhmata ths xwras mas. Kai einai safes oti ayto poy kanoyme, ws pros thn epibolh forologias se poly megala eisodhmata, einai prwtofanes gia ta ellhnika dedomena. Fysika, yparxei polys dromos akomh, giati qa prepei na eksygxronistoyn plhrws oi foroeispraktikoi mhxanismoi. Kai ayto kanoyme, oytws h allws, anatrepontas kai nootropies kai meqodeyseis poy ginotan epi polles dekaeties.

SIDERHS: Kai kati allo. Einai mia asxeth erwthsh, syndeetai me ta gegonota twn diadhlwsewn poy eginan kai gia th dolofonia toy mikroy Alejh: Exei proxwrhsei kaqoloy h dialeykansh ths ypoqeshs gia toys kamenoys ths Marfin; An den to gnwrizete, qa mporoysate na mas peite ayrio;

PETALWTHS: H ypoqesh einai sth Dikaiosynh.

STRATAKHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epishmanqhke kai apo ton k. Stros Kan, poy shmainei oti mas exoyn parei eidhsh, dhladh, oti nomoqetoyme alla den efarmozoyme nomoys. Ti exei na pei h kybernhsh gi` ayto; Giati safws yparxei mia anantistoixia nomoqetikoy ergoy kai pragmatikhs efarmoghs. Poioi apo toys nomoys p.x. exoyn efarmostei; Egw qa sas ferw ws paradeigma ena nomo oxi gia diarqrwtikes allages, apla gia to kapnisma. Adynateite na efarmosete nomoys. Mhpws ayto einai ena problhma ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh, mesa s` ayto to xrono, mesa stoys 14 mhnes poy exei thn eyqynh ths diakybernhshs ths xwras, exei kanei ena terastio nomoqetiko ergo. Ayto to ergo synexizetai me poly grhgoroys ryqmoys. Akomh kai sta ypoyrgika symboylia poy, kata pasa piqanothta qa einai dyo kai qa ginoyn mexri to telos ths xronias, oi diarqrwtikes allages poy ginontai shmera den eixan ginei pote, kai fysika oloi oi nomoi efarmozontai sth xwra mas. Fysika, gnwrizoyme tis elleiceis kai ta megala elleimmata ths dhmosias dioikhshs. Poy shmainei oti se arketes periptwseis yparxei qema ylopoihshs twn nomwn. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, kai h boylhsh yparxei kai h apofasistikothta. Kai fysika, den mporei na dianohqei kaneis oti gia opoiodhpote logo den ylopoieitai nomos, o opoios einai chfismenos kai malista se aytes tis periodoys, otan akomh kai h qesmoqethsh twn nomwn einai apo monh ths mia epanastash.

SIDERHS: Ep` aytoy: Yparxei periptwsh na diaforopoihqei o nomos;

PETALWTHS: Poios nomos;

SIDERHS: Gia to kapnisma. Yparxei periptwsh na anaqewrhqei, na sebasteite kai ta dikaiwmata twn kapnistwn;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei nomos, o opoios prospaqoyme na efarmozetai.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pame gia ejiswsh twn misqwn, ston idiwtiko tomea, me thn paragwgikothta, poy shmainei meiwseis;

PETALWTHS: Anafereste se ayto poy eipe o k. Stros Kan.

GARGALAKOS: Nai, akribws. Na mas ermhneysete ti shmainei ayto.

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy leme emeis, einai oti den mporei na yparxei peraiterw meiwsh twn misqwn. H syndesh misqoy - paragwgikothtas, profanws ayto ennooyse o k. Stros Kan, exei sxesh me thn ayjhsh ths paragwgikothtas. Ekei yparxei ena zhthma, to opoio qa prepei na doyme. H megalh proklhsh einai na ayjhsoyme thn paragwgikothta. Misqoys den prokeitai na meiwsoyme, giati den mporoyme kai den prepei na meiwqoyn peraiterw oi misqoi. Th diasyndesh me thn paragwgikothta mporoyme na th doyme mono sto epipedo toy na ayjhqei h paragwgikothta. Qa prepei, to eipa kai sthn eisagwgh moy, na apeleyqerwsoyme oles ekeines tis dynameis, oi opoies einai para polles sth xwra mas, kyriws anqrwpino dynamiko, etsi wste pragmatika na exoyme sto telos apotelesma, poy armozei kai stis dynatothtes mas, alla kai stis terasties prospaqeies poy kataballontai shmera.

KOYTRAS: Ti ennoeite oti den qa meiwsete misqoys, afoy to nomosxedio ths k. Katselh problepei, ap` oti ola deixnoyn, oti oi epixeirhsiakes symbaseis qa yperisxyoyn twn kladikwn, poy shmainei aytomatws meiwsh misqwn, ston idiwtiko tomea.

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai ena eidiko zhthma. Einai ena zhthma sto opoio den qelw na anaferqw, giati h diaboyleysh metajy twn koinwnikwn etairwn synexizetai. Qewroyme oti h diaboyleysh ayth einai kati to opoio exei thn idiaiterh shmasia kai thn idiaiterh barythta. Kai fysika, opoy yperisxyoyn epixeirhsiakes symbaseis, qa yperisxyoyn me poly sygkekrimenoys oroys, proypoqeseis kai xronikoys periorismoys. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Kai fysika, jekaqaro einai oti to monadiko krithrio gia otidhpote tetoio, einai na mh xaqoyn qeseis ergasias. Ara, genikws, to na aforisoyme kai na milame me aoristologies den bohqaei. Ekeino poy mas endiaferei, einai na proaspisoyme ta ergasiaka symferonta. Gia na ta proaspisoyme, omws, qa prepei na yparxoyn kai qeseis ergasias. Ayto einai para poly shmantiko kai einai to kyrio melhma kai ths kybernhshs ayth th stigmh.

KOYTRAS: Sygnwmh, kyrie Ekproswpe. Exw thn entypwsh oti milhsate aorista. Giati eipate, prin apo ligo, oti den qa meiwqoyn oi misqoi. Oi misqoi ston idiwtiko tomea, profanws, me to nomosxedio ths k. Katselh - oloi to lene- qa meiwqoyn. Mas eipate kati diaforetiko;

PETALWTHS: Egw sas anefera poia einai h genikh arxh. H genikh arxh einai oti se orismenes periptwseis kai me poly aysthres proypoqeseis, mporei na yperisxyoyn oi epixeirhsiakes symbaseis, poy shmainei synainesh ergodotwn kai ergazomenwn kai ayto gia mikro xroniko diasthma kai otan yparxei diapistwmenh anagkh na yparjei kapoia ryqmish, wste na mh xaqoyn qeseis ergasias. Emeis to leme jekaqara, oti den prokeitai na afhsoyme na kleisoyn epixeirhseis, den prokeitai na afhsoyme na xaqoyn qeseis ergasias. Me th synainesh panta ergazomenwn kai ergodotwn kai me poly aysthres proypoqeseis. Kai fysika, yparxei kai to katwtero plafon twn syllogikwn symbasewn ergasias, poy einai kai poly shmantiko.

STRATAKHS: To zhthma me thn k. Katselh sas to eqesa kai prin apo dyo hmeres, ean sthrizei h kybernhsh thn k. Katselh se ayth th diapragmateysh - opws qelete onomaste thn- h prospaqeia dialogoy me toys koinwnikoys etairoys, gia na katalhjoyn sto nomoqethma to opoio qa prowqhsei pros chfish. Kai giati to lew: Giati ayto poy diapragmateyetai shmera h k. Katselh, h ypoyrgos Ergasias, entos h ektos eisagwgikwn...

PETALWTHS: ``Entos eisagwgikwn'', ti ennoeite;

STRATAKHS: Oi epixeirhsiakes symbaseis einai apofash thn opoia exoyn labei oi - tote- ypoyrgoi Ergasias kai Oikonomikwn k. Loberdos kai k. Papakwnstantinoy kai thn exoyn qesei ws proypoqesh sto anaqewrhmeno mnhmonio. Dhladh, h k. Katselh diapragmateyetai twra, ayta poy oi ypoyrgoi sas exoyn desmeytei sto deytero mnhmonio kai basei ths apofasews ths Boylhs, poy leei oti o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn kai o ypoyrgos Ergasias, otan prokeitai gia tetoia qemata mporoyn na apofasizoyn; Kai eixe jeshkwsei qyella tote to arqro. Dhladh, ti diapragmateyetai twra h k. Katselh; Ayta poy exoyn apofasisei o ypoyrgos Ergasias kai o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn;

PETALWTHS: Gia na eimai eilikrinhs, den katanow poio einai to erwthma sas. To katanow, ws genikh arxh.

STRATAKHS: E, ma pws na katanohsoyme tetoioys mhxanismoys;

PETALWTHS: Ekeino poy qeloyme na kanoyme, einai na exoyme tis kalyteres lyseis, tis isodynames me apotelesmatikothta lyseis, etsi wste na proaspizoyme kai qeseis ergasias kai ergasiaka symferonta kai dikaiwmata. Ean yparxei periptwsh, kai oti periqwrio yparxei, na pame se pio qetika bhmata, safws yparxei h boylhsh ths kybernhshs na ejantlei ola ta periqwria. Kai ayth h diapragmateysh poy lete, mexri stigmhs einai diapragmateysh metajy twn koinwnikwn etairwn. Gia emas exei idiaiterh barythta kai idiaiterh shmasia kati tetoio.

STRATAKHS: Dhladh, mas lete oti ekanan laqos o k. Loberdos kai o k. Papakwnstantinoy;

PETALWTHS: Kaqoloy.

STRATAKHS: Ma, anaqewreite dikes toys apofaseis.

PETALWTHS: Den anaqewreitai tipote. Aplws, prospaqwntas na beltiwsoyme otidhpote yphrje kai prospaqwntas na broyme isodynamhs apotelesmatikothtas lyseis, den qa kanoyme pisw. Einai jekaqaro oti exoyme krithria. Einai jekaqaro oti gnwmonas einai to dhmosio, alla kai to ergasiako symferon twn ergazomenwn. Me bash ayto kinoymaste kai gi` ayto akribws qa erqei kai nomos gia tis ergasiakes sxeseis sto ypoyrgiko symboylio.

STRATAKHS: Me kalycate plhrws.

PETALWTHS: Elpizw.

TSAKIRHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean ayto to sygkekrimeno qema to syzhthse o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Stros Kan xqes, sth synanthsh poy eixan.

PETALWTHS: Poio;

TSAKIRHS: To qema twn epixeirhsiakwn symbasewn.

PETALWTHS: H syzhthsh poy egine me ton k. Stros Kan htan genikh syzhthsh, htan syzhthsh gia thn oikonomikh katastash ths xwras mas, gia thn pagkosmia krish, gia thn eyrwpaikh krish poy yparxei. Kai fysika, h syzhthsh periestrafh s' ayta ta epipeda.

TSAKIRHS: To lew, epeidh yphrxe olo ayto to diasthma mia fhmologia oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa epairne panw toy to qema kai qa to eqete ston k. Stros Kan.

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh dra syllogika. H kybernhsh exei aytonomh politikh kai exei ypoyrgoys oi opoioi doyleyoyn.

MPELEGRHS: Milhsate prin gia synainesh metajy ergodotwn kai ergazomenwn. Sthn prajh, omws, ayth h synainesh metafrazetai se ekbiastika dilhmmata poy se polles periptwseis exoyn hdh symbei apo pleyras ergodotwn stoys ergazomenoys. Qa kanei kati h kybernhsh gia na mhn synexisei kai na mhn epektaqei ayto to fainomeno;

PETALWTHS: Otan yparxei diapragmateysh metajy twn megalyterwn kai twn pio antiproswpeytikwn organwsewn kai twn ergazomenwn kai twn ergodotwn, nomizw oti den xwroyn ekbiastika dilhmmata. Den milame gia atomikes symbaseis. Milame gia diapragmateysh metajy ths GSEE kai toy SEB, dhladh metajy twn megalyterwn ekfrastwn twn ergazomenwn kai twn ergodotwn. Gi' ayto leme oti exei barynoysa shmasia gia mas, gia thn kybernhsh, na yparjei synainesh, na yparjei synennohsh metajy aytwn twn dyo shmantikotatwn paragontwn ths oikonomikhs kai ths ergasiakhs zwhs. Giati ayto einai kati poy exei amesh sxesh kai me toys ergazomenoys kai me toys ergodotes, dhladh, na mhn xaqoyn qeseis ergasias, to kyriarxo, na mhn kleisoyn epixeirhseis, etsi wste na mporesoyme na jeperasoyme thn krish gia na fqasoyme jana sta epipeda poy hmastan kai me poly pio beltiwmenes qeseis apo edw kai pera.

PITTARAS: Epeidh lete oti den kanete alles meiwseis se misqoys, ayto poy plhroforoymeqa apo th xqesinobradinh syskech gia ena polynomosxedio poy qa afora meiwseis misqwn kai malista exoyme maqei kai posa, p.x. panw apo 1.800 eyrw mhniaiws h 50.000 eyrw ethsiws, ti einai;

PETALWTHS: Anaferesqe stis DEKO;

PITTARAS: Akribws.

PETALWTHS: Gia tis DEKO yparxei mia pragmatikothta, mia pragmatikh katastash, opoy gnwrizoyme para poly kala ti ginotan edw kai polles 10eties. O,ti ginotan edw kai polles 10eties, xeiroterece ta teleytaia 6 xronia ths diakybernhshs apo th N.D., h opoia pragmatika ekane ``parti'' kai ``panhgyri'' stis plates toy ellhnikoy laoy, dhmioyrgwntas dhmosies epixeirhseis ypotiqetai koinhs wfeleias, opoy boleythkan oloi osoys hqele na bolecei o ekastote ypoyrgos, o opoios epopteye tis DEKO, me apotelesma na exoyme terasties xrewseis kai parexomeno ergo kaqws kai parexomenes yphresies poy den antistoixoysan sta xrhmata poy kateballe o ellhnikos laos gi' aytes tis DEKO. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala ta terastia pronomia poy eixan kapoioi ap' aytoys toys ergazomenoys, giati mesa stis DEKO yphrxan poly megales misqologikes diafores. Kai fysika, ayth h katastash den qa mporoyse na ginei anekth, eidika sth sygkekrimenh periodo me ta sygkekrimena problhmata. Kai kata meizona logo den qa mporoyse na ginei anekth, dioti emeis milame gia koinwnikh dikaiosynh. Prospaqoyme, loipon, na ejorqologhsoyme th leitoyrgia aytwn twn DEKO. Prospaqoyme na feroyme isorropia kai stoys misqoys mesa stis DEKO kai na epiferoyme thn koinwnikh dikaiosynh s' ayto to epipedo. Sto telos, me to nomo poy qa paroysiastei, qa yparxoyn pragmatikes dhmosies epixeirhseis koinhs wfeleias, opws tis apokaloysame palaiotera, poy ontws qa proseggizoyn ta ellhnika dedomena ths misqodosias kai me ton tropo ayto qa perioristoyn oi spatales toys, prokeimenoy na epiteyxqei o basikos stoxos poy den einai allos apo poiotika anabaqmismenes parexomenes yphresies.

PITTARAS: Qa moy epitrecete, pantws, na sas pw oti ayto moy fantazei ligo ws epilektikh eyaisqhsia. Kai to lew, giati afoy jerate ola ayta kai aytes tis paraloges amoibes, giati den frontizate na tis periorisete edw ki ena xrono, alla antiqetws, h prwth sas prajh htan na kocete syntajeis;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, den milame jekommena kai den kanoyme den probainoyme se apospasmatikes energeies. Gia tis DEKO, den einai monon h meiwsh twn misqwn, einai h meiwsh ths poly megalhs spatalhs kai h allagh ths olhs aparadekths katastashs poy epikratoyse. Einai epishs h elleich ejorqologismoy poy yphrxe eidika ta teleytaia xronia. Gia mas, to zhtoymeno den einai na periorisoyme aplws toys misqoys kapoiwn, oi opoioi eixan misqoys poly megalyteroys apo kapoioys alloys synadelfoys toys mesa stis idies tis DEKO kai kata poly ychloteroys apo toys misqoys ths en genei ellhnikhs pragmatikothtas. Emeis probainoyme se diarqrwtikes allages, dioti monon etsi mporoyme na pame mprosta. Monon etsi bgainoyme apo thn krish kai monon etsi dhmioyrgoyme epixeirhseis kai dhmosies yphresies poy antapokrinontai kai sto syntagmatiko toys proorismo, na ejyphretoyn dhladh ton Ellhna polith kai na mhn ton fortwnoyn me terastia ejoda. Den leitoyrgoyme apospasmatika, leitoyrgoyme basei sxedioy. Ena sxedio poy afora poly megales allages, oi opoies qa eprepe na eixan ginei edw kai polles 10eties.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sto sygkekrimeno nomosxedio qa yparxei kapoia formoyla etsi wste na symperilhfqoyn epixeirhseis, opws o OPAP, poy einai eishgmenes sto Xrhmatisthrio, gia tis opoies, omws, yparxoyn kataggelies gia yperogkes kai proklhtikes amoibes;

PETALWTHS: To nomosxedio ayto qa erqei ayrio pros syzhthsh sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Epomenws, nomizw oti shmera den mporw na sas ejhghsw ti perilambanei, giati brisketai akomh sto stadio ths epejergasias. Ekeino, omws, poy mporw na sas pw einai oti prospaqoyme kai me ayto to nomosxedio na ejorqologhsoyme opoiadhpote yphresia dhmosioy xarakthra, opoiadhpote yphresia diaxeirizetai dhmosia esoda, epanalambanontas gia pollosth fora oti monadikos gnwmonas einai to dhmosio symferon.

STRATAKHS: Qa hqela, kyrie Ekproswpe, ena sxolio gia tis anafores toy k. Papaqanasioy, toy prwhn ypoyrgoy Oikonomias, o opoios anaferei sto biblio toy oti eskemmena yphrje kapoia spatalh 10 dis to teleytaio trimhno toy 2009, prokeimenoy na foyskwsete to elleimma. Pws to sxoliazete ayto;

PETALWTHS: An qa mporoyse o k. Papaqanasioy na mas entopisei poia htan ayth h spatalh kai na milhsei pio sygkekrimena, pragmatika qa htan ajio sxoliasmoy. Kai den milaw monon gia ton k. Papaqanasioy, giati o k. Papaqanasioy askoyse th synolikh politikh ths kybernhshs ths N.D. ston tomea ths oikonomias. Mia politikh, h opoia katafere shmantika plhgmata sthn ellhnikh oikonomia, ektroxiazontas ta dhmosionomika megeqh kai fernontas se tragikh qesh thn ellhnikh politikh pragmatikothta. Synepws, kalo qa htan o k. Papaqanasioy na einai pio prosektikos, diatypwnontas logikoterh epixeirhmatologia. Epixeirhmata poy mporoyn na staqoyn otan anaferetai se ena biblio toy h se opoiadhpote dhmosia dhlwsh toy. Ginetai antilhpto oti oi ypoyrgoi ths N.D. qa prepei na dikaiologhsoyn ta adikaiologhta, alla na yparxei mia stoixeiwdhs logikh. Ean mporei na mas peisei oti mesa stoys teleytaioys treis mhnes toy 2009 hrqan ayta ta tragika apotelesmata ta opoia biwnoyme shmera, nomizw oti ayto den stekei sthn koinh logikh.

STRATAKHS: Protiqesqe na ajiopoihsete ayto to biblio stis epitropes gia thn oikonomia, poy exete systhsei sth Boylh;

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti kapoios to proteine ayto. Apo ekei kai pera, emeis den diakatexomaste apo rebansismo. H Dikaiosynh omws einai to metro me to opoio prospaqoyme na politeyomaste.

POLYMEROS: Ti mporoyme na perimenoyme apo thn ayrianh episkech toy k. Oli Ren sthn Aqhna; Ena anaqewrhmeno ``kalo koyragio Ellhnes'';

PETALWTHS: To ``kalo koyragio'' mas to eixe pei o k. Ren, giati pragmatika to xreiazomastan kai to xreiazomaste ayto to koyragio kai ayto to gnwrizoyme oloi mas. Xreiazomaste koyragio. Kai o ellhnikos laos deixnei edw kai poly kairo thn wrimothta poy diaqetei, gia na jeperasoyme ayth thn poly megalh krish. Apo ekei kai pera, o k. Ren exei kai apoch kai rolo sthn eyrwpaikh pragmatikothta. Kai fysika, ayth h episkech toy entassetai sto plaisio twn epafwn ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs me oloys toys paragontes, oi opoioi diadramatizoyn ena shmantiko kai barynonta rolo sthn antimetwpish kai ths ellhnikhs krishs.

KOYTRAS: Opws eixe eipwqei kai sto teleytaio politiko symboylio, symfwna me tis plhrofories to eixe pei o k. Papakwnstantinoy, stis DEKO to PASOK qa prepei na sygkroystei me ta splaxna toy, me ton idio toy ton eayto. Kai qelw na sas rwthsw ean h kybernhsh einai etoimh na to kanei ayto kai kyriws an to antexei.

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh exei deijei oti antexei ta panta kai ekeino poy exei deijei kai apodeijei, einai oti sygkroyetai me oles tis paqogeneies pollwn dekaetiwn. Paqogeneies oi opoies, omws, koryfwqhkan sta xronia ths N.D., h opoia den logariase tipote, h opoia mas efere aqwrakistoys se mia krish poy eblepan oi pantes kai oi monoi poy den thn eblepan kai den thn ypologizan htan oi ypoyrgoi kai h kybernhsh ths N.D.

STRATAKHS: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh thn anafora toy k. Stros Kan, toy kata ta alla sosialisth, poy eipe otan rwthqhke apo thn k. Papandreoy, boyleyth toy PA.SO.K. gia th metanasteysh twn newn, apanthse oti kalo einai na phgainoyn ejw, na paroyn empeiria kai otan exete anaptyjh na epistrecoyn kai na feroyn ayth thn empeiria pros ta pisw. Pws sxoliazete ayth thn topoqethsh;

PETALWTHS: Einai mia qewrhsh toy k. Stros Kan, den th sxoliazw. H kinhtikothta, omws, einai mia pragmatikothta. Exoyme anaferei polles fores oti ekeino poy qeloyme, einai na yparxei kinhtikothta twn newn, twn foithtwn, twn ergazomenwn, alla na dhmioyrghsoyme ekeines tis proypoqeseis kai tis synqhkes, etsi wste na mhn anagkazetai kaneis na feygei sto ejwteriko, giati den mporei na zhsei ajioprepws sth xwra toy kai ayto gia emas einai ena monimo zhtoymeno.

Sas eyxaristw.

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