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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 7 Ioylioy 2010

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 7 Ioylioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Parakoloyqhsame shmera tis protaseis toy k. Samara gia thn ejodo apo thn oikonomikh krish kai gia thn poreia ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Perimename apo ton k. Samara na kataqesei mia seira apo protaseis tis opoies alloi qa symmerizomastan kai alloi oxi. Parola ayta, me apogohteysh eidame se ena poly megalo sirial, ton k. Samara, na yperaspizetai kai pali thn politikh ths ND.

O k. Samaras prospaqei gia akomh mia fora na thrhsei tis eswkommatikes isorropies kai na yperaspistei to prosfato parelqon ths paratajhs toy, otan malista gnwrizoyn oloi oi Ellhnes oti ayto poy pername shmera, se enan terastio baqmo, ofeiletai akribws sth diakybernhsh ths xwras, synolika apo thn kybernhsh Karamanlh, tote pragmatika qa prepei na anhsyxoyme. Giati fainetai oti o k. Samaras kai oi epiteleis toy den antelhfqhsan tipote. Eidame na epikaleitai jana ceydh stoixeia. Eidame na epikaleitai jana ta stoixeia poy edwse proeklogika h Nea Dhmokratia kai ta opoia mas odhghsan sto terastio elleimma ajiopistias me odynhra apotelesmata ta opoia biwnoyme kai plhrwnei o ellhnikos laos shmera.

Eilikrina perimename kati diaforetiko. O k. Samaras mporei na ayjomeiwnei to elleimma kata to dokoyn. Ekeino, omws, poy den mporei na meiwnei einai h nohmosynh toy Ellhna polith. Den mporei na amfisbhtei kai pali to terastio elleimma poy klhrodothse h ND sthn kybernhsh toy PASOK kai to opoio prospaqoyme na meiwsoyme me tis apofaseis mas kai me ta metra poy lambanoyme shmera.

Den mporei na meiwsei th nohmosynh toy Ellhna polith, otan h ND ypotiqetai oti qa proxwroyse se metarryqmish toy asfalistikoy kai anti gi` ayto odhghse se adeia Tameia, giati oi epiteleis ths ta diaxeiristhkan me to xeirotero tropo. Ta diaxeiristhkan me tetoio tropo poy einai ypologoi shmera sth Dikaiosynh.

Oso gia tis protaseis poy ekane o k. Samaras gia thn oikonomia, opws einai h arsh toy kampotaz, to anoigma twn eleyqerwn epaggelmatwn, h prowqhsh twn megalwn ergwn, h anadiarqrwsh toy OSE, kalytera qa htan na dikaiologhqei giati efqase s' ayto to shmeio h ellhnikh oikonomia. Giati den paradexetai oti ayta poy kanei shmera to PASOK qa eprepe na ginoyn edw kai xronia apo thn kybernhsh ths ND kai ta proteinei shmera, otan malista shmera, aytes tis hmeres, lambanontai apofaseis poy aforoyn akribws s aytoys toys tomeis.

Akomh, milhse o k. Samaras gia periorismo ths spatalhs. Eprepe na milhsei symplhrwmatika kai gia kakodiaxeirish gia na mporesei na katanohsei o ellhnikos laos to mparaz ths yperaspishs ston prwhn ypoyrgo ths Neas Dhmokratias sthn ypoqesh ``AGROGH A.E.'' kai se oles tis ypoqeseis typoy ``AGROGH''. Prepei na zhthsoyn sygnwmh apo ton ellhniko lao poy en mia nykti dhmioyrghsan mia stratia dikwn toys anqrwpwn- pio dikwn toys de ginetai- me idio onoma kai apo tis idies oikogeneies ypoyrgwn ths ND.

Shmera, prospaqoyn na yperaspistoyn oti aytes oi proslhceis htan proslhceis nomimes poy eginan me enan tropo poy ginotan panta kata to parelqon. Kai milane shmera gia periorismo ths spatalhs toy xrhmatos. Perimenoyme na doyme kai allo k. Samara. Perimenoyme na doyme pws qa topoqethqei sto Asfalistiko. Perimenoyme na doyme th stash toy apenanti sta megala zhthmata ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai ths ellhnikhs politikhs zwhs. Meta thn prwth, pantws, ypotiqetai sygkrothmenh parembash toy k. Samara- kai malista me pompes xwris, omws, fysika na dexqei erwthseis, giati profanws qa htan pio dyskolo apo to na kanei maqhmata qewrhtikhs oikonomias, opws ekane shmera me ta mple koytakia sthn teleytaia grammh- perimenoyme pragmatika na doyme ti exei na pei apo edw kai pera. H prwth toy, omws, emfanish htan akrws apogohteytikh. Kai einai apogohteytikh kai gia ton ellhniko lao, alla kai gia to politiko systhma.

Apo ekei kai pera, einai gnwsto oti aytes tis hmeres syzhtame sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs to asfalistiko nomosxedio. Ena nomosxedio to opoio mas phgainei mprosta. Ena nomosxedio poy eggyatai ena realistiko, biwsimo kai dikaio asfalistiko systhma. Ena asfalistiko nomosxedio poy ejasfalizei oxi mono tis syntajeis toy epomenoy kai toy meqepomenoy mhna, alla eggyatai oti oi epomenes genies, para thn tragikh katastash twn asfalistikwn Tameiwn, qa laboyn syntajh.

Einai qema eyqynhs toy kaqenos mas na topoqethqei apenanti ston ellhniko lao, mesa apo ayth th syzhthsh sthn Olomeleia gia to asfalistiko nomosxedio, etsi wste pragmatika thn eyqynh poy analambanoyme shmera, eite dexomenoi to asfalistiko nomosxedio, eite aporriptontas to, na mporoyme ayrio na tis dikaiologhsoyme kai stis epomenes genies.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

XRISTOFILOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ti apantate sthn kentrikh politikh qesh ths Neas Dhmokratias oti yphrxe kai allos ligotero epwdynos tropos gia toys polites, gia na antimetwpistei h oikonomikh krish. Kai ena allo skelos: H polemikh kata toy mnhmonioy, toso apo thn antipoliteysh oso kai apo kapoia stelexh toy PASOK, den dhmioyrgei problhma sth synolikh prospaqeia ths xwras, gia ejodo apo thn krish;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, apo thn pleyra toy PASOK den yparxei polemikh kata toy mnhmonioy. Opoies agwnies ekfrazontai apo toys boyleytes kai apo ta stelexh toy PASOK einai agwnies poy exoyn na kanoyn me to mellon ths xwras mas. Einai agwnies poy exoyn na kanoyn me thn idia thn poiothta ths zwhs mas shmera. H antidrash poy yparxei apenanti sto peribohto mnhmonio apo th Nea Dhmokratia, alla kai apo to Synaspismo, apo to SYRIZA kai to KKE, exei na kanei akribws me ta adiejoda twn idiwn twn politikwn sxhmatismwn. Otan h Nea Dhmokratia den mporei na brei to stoixeiwdh bhmatismo ths, anakalyce ws strathgikh, akoyson-akoyson -oyte kan ws taktikh- ws strathgikh thn apallagh apo to mnhmonio. Thn apallagh apo mia katastash poy h idia h Nea Dhmokratia mas odhghse ekei kai poy fysika ayto poy apokryptetai apo aytes tis politikes dynameis einai oti to mnhmonio pera apo tis sklhres kai epwdynes apofaseis poy periexei, periexei kai mia seira apo shmantikes tomes kai diarqrwtikes allages poy oytws h allws emeis qa tis kaname. Einai allages poy anaferontai ston programmatiko mas logo. Einai allages poy exoyn na kanoyn me thn idia th biwsimothta ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, toy asfalistikoy systhmatos kai ths poiothtas ths kaqhmerinothtas toy Ellhna polith. Gi` ayto lew oti kaqenas einai ypeyqynos ths qeshs kai ths stashs poy pairnei, eidika shmera, se ayto to megalo zhthma.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Entajei, h kybernhsh ekane mia epilogh me to Asfalistiko, zhta thn chfish toy klp. Qewreite oti einai h mia kai monadikh lysh h pisteyete oti qa xreiastoyn kai alles parembaseis to epomeno diasthma gia na symplhrwsoyn ayth th basikh sas epilogh;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, to oti fqasame mexri edw exei thn istoria toy, thn opoia den mporoyme na jexname. Fqasame mexri edw kanontas enan terastio agwna gia na mporoyme na kalycoyme tis daneiakes anagkes ths xwras. As mhn skeptomaste ws aytonohto to oti mporoyme na yparxoyme shmera ws ellhnikh oikonomia. Ean den katafername me prwtoboylia ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs na yparjei aytos o eyrwpaikos mhxanismos sthrijhs, den qa mporoysame na eixame thn anesh na syzhtame gia leptomereies toy asfalistikoy systhmatos. To mnhmonio einai ena keimeno sto opoio anaferontai kai anagkastikes epiloges alla kai makroproqesmes epiloges kai epiloges oysias poy kanei h shmerinh kybernhsh, gia na bgoyme apo thn krish alla kai gia na anaptyjoyme kai thn ellhnikh oikonomia. Apo ekei kai pera, fysika, briskomaste mono sthn arxh mias terastias prospaqeias. Kai ayto, fysika, den exei kamia sxesh me olh ayth thn parafilologia gia nea metra kai ola ta synafh. Exei, omws, amesh sxesh oti apo edw kai pera, emeis oi politikoi, h koinwnia oloklhrh, qa prepei na exoyme mia diaforetikh nootropia etsi wste na biwnoyme se ena dikaio systhma, se ena kratos dikaioy, se ena kratos to opoio den qa basizetai stis pelateiakes kai kommatikes logikes toy parelqontos. Kai ayto den ginetai apo th mia mera sthn allh. Prepei na yparjei paradeigmatismos apo toys idioys toys politikoys, apo tis idies tis politikes dynameis. Kai prepei oloi na anaprosarmosoyme tis politikes mas apoceis alla kai tis politikes mas praktikes, etsi wste na mhn exoyme jana ta idia problhmata meta apo ligo xroniko diasthma. Ofeilw, omws, na pw oti se ayth thn poly dyskolh prospaqeia, hdh, ta prwta qetika apotelesmata arxisan na fainontai. Kai fainontai giati h poreia mas einai aparegklith. Den prokeitai na kanoyme pisw, giati exoyme na kanoyme me shmantikotates epiloges gia to mellon ths xwras.

STRATAKHS: Qa teqei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias stoys boyleytes toy PASOK kata thn chfish toy asfalistikoy nomosxedioy;

PETALWTHS: Einai ena erwthma poy kai eseis to qetete kaqhmerina edw, sthn enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn. Ena erwthma poy tiqetai apo polles pleyres, kai apo toys idioys toys polites. Einai ena erwthma to opoio, omws, brisketai oxi aplws se laqos bash, einai ena erwthma sto opoio den xwrei apanthsh. Leme kai to leme se oloys toys tonoys oti h terastia prospaqeia poy ginetai oxi apo thn kybernhsh alla kai apo thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada kai apo ta stelexh toy PASOK kai kyriws apo ton ellhniko lao, einai akribws ayth h prospaqeia poy mas fernei pro twn eyqynwn mas. Oi epiloges einai sygkekrimenes, ta dilhmmata einai sygkekrimena. Ean den pame mprosta gia thn epilysh toy asfalistikoy systhmatos, den qa exoyme asfalistiko systhma. Kaqenas apo emas antilambanetai tis eyqynes toy kai prattei analogws.

MPOTWNHS: Ean aytes oi eyqynes kapoioy einai na mhn chfisei meros toy nomosxedioy, den milame na mhn to chfisei sto synolo toy, aytomatws ta peiqarxika metra einai diagrafh apo o,ti proekyce kai me to mnhmonio; Dhladh, qa exoyme th diagrafh aytoy toy boyleytoy h twn boyleytwn;

PETALWTHS: Qa htan teleiws akomco apo emena, otan ayth th stigmh ginetai syzhthsh sth Boylh, otan to apogeyma qa yparjei chfoforia epi ths arxhs, otan oi boyleytes olwn twn kommatwn qa topoqethqoyn me ton pio ypeyqyno tropo poy exei na kanei me thn idia toys thn ypostash mesa sto Koinoboylio, na mporw egw na lew ean yparxei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias h oxi shmera kai ayrio. Ta zhthmata ta opoia diakybeyontai einai terastia. Kai nomizw oti h syzhthsh peri kommatikhs peiqarxias meiwnei thn poly megalh shmasia ayths ths terastias metarryqmishs poy ginetai.

KOYTRAS: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe sth synenteyjh toy sthn ``Eleyqerotypia'' oti h chfos gia to Asfalistiko einai chfos eyqynhs. Na kanw to idio erwthma toy synadelfoy alliws: Chfos eyqynhs einai mono gia to nomosxedio epi ths arxhs h kai epi twn arqrwn toy; Dioti sygkekrimenos boyleyths, o k. Koyroymplhs, bghke xqes se thleoptiko staqmo, sto ALTER kai eipe oti skeftetai para poly sobara na mhn chfisei dyo apo ta arqra toy nomosxedioy.

PETALWTHS: Kaqe boyleyths mporei na ekfrazei thn agwnia toy kai tis apoceis toy. Isxyei ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos kai ayto poy lew kai egw oles tis fores poy kaloyme na apanthsw sto sygkekrimeno erwthma. Eidika ayto to nomosxedio einai mia shmantikotath, mia basikotath epilogh ayths ths kybernhshs kai gi` ayto to logo h chfish h h katachfish toy einai qema terastias eyqynhs apo oloys toys boyleytes.

SPANOY: Symfwneite me thn problech toy k. Reppa oti ean synexisete na koynate to daxtylo stoys ergazomenoys, tote qa sas koynhsoyn kai aytoi ta pente daxtyla, jerete pws;

PETALWTHS: O k. Reppas ekane ayth thn anafora sto plaisio mias synenteyjhs Typoy, opoy paroysiase to shmantiko ergo poy epiteleitai sto ypoyrgeioy toy oxi mono ws pros thn paroxh yphresiwn pros ton polith, alla kai ws pros ta oikonomika ayths ths xwras. Ayto poy kanoyme emeis einai na yperaspizomaste basikes epiloges prostasias toy Ellhna polith. Den koyname to daxtylo, opws koynoysan to daxtylo kapote oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias kai kaneis den toys elege tipota. Emeis ayto poy exoyme na kanoyme einai na afoygkrazomaste kai na ekfrazoyme thn agwnia toy aploy Ellhna polith. Kai ayto kanoyme.

MIXAHL: Sto proeklogiko programma toy PASOK, an qymamai kala kai nomizw oti den exei allajei ayth h qesh, paramenei oti to kratos, h Politeia, epidotei afoy ejygianei tis dhmosies sygkoinwnies. Isxyei ayth h qesh;

PETALWTHS: Isxyei kai gi` ayth th qesh exei milhsei kai o k. Reppas kai o k. Papakwnstantinoy. To prwto melhma mas einai h ejygiansh. Ta elleimmata, ta opoia exoyn sysswreytei einai terastia. Kai fysika den plhrwnontai apo poyqena alloy, para apo thn tseph toy Ellhna polith. Yparxoyn tropoi epidothshs, opws h epidothsh toy eisithrioy. Kai fysika o xarakthras twn sygkoinwniwn einai mia basikh epilogh, h opoia exei ekfrastei kai proeklogika alla kai twra apo ton armodio ypoyrgo.

MIXAHL: Tote, afoy einai etsi k. Ekproswpe kai afoy thn ejefrase o k. Reppas kai afoy paramenei ayth h qesh ths kybernhshs kai se ayth panw doyleyete, pros ti loipon oi topoqethseis h oi apoceis synergatwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti prepei na idiwtikopoihqoyn oi sygkoinwnies;

PETALWTHS: Gnwrizete oti oi ypoyrgoi askoyn politikh sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn toys kai oi ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs toy PASOK thn askoyn kai thn ekfrazoyn me ton kalytero tropo.

POLYMEROS: Diabasame shmera ston Typo pws h endiamesh ekqesh ths trimeroys Epitrophs, xtypa to kampanaki gia plhqwrismo, gia peraiterw ayjhsh ths anergias, gia meiwsh apodoxwn ston idiwtiko tomea. Malista, shmeiwnoyn oti me bash thn poreia toy proypologismoy gia to deytero ejamhno toy trexontos etoys, endexetai na yparjoyn kapoies anagkaies prosarmoges sta metra, posotikoy xarakthra. Dhladh, peraiterw ayjhsh toy FPA, se tsigara, pota kai kaysima, peristoles epidomatwn - se epidomata Pasxa, adeias, Xristoygennwn- peraiterw meiwsh twn syntajewn. Ti apanta h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na jekaqarisoyme oti den yparxei periptwsh na lhfqoyn alla metra mesa sto 2010. Exoyme sygkekrimenes desmeyseis gia na bgoyme apo thn krish, exoyme sygkekrimenes desmeyseis gia na meiwsoyme to elleimma. To terastio elleimma kai to terastio xreos poy mas klhrodothse h Nea Dhmokratia. Aytes einai sygkekrimenes, einai ypologismenes kai einai jekaqaro oti den aforoyn sto 2010. Apo kei kai pera, ayth h endiamesh ekqesh, sth megalh pleiochfia toy keimenoy ths, einai ekqesh poy dinei poly qetika eyshma sthn kybernhsh toy PASOK kai malista anaferei oti h poreia ylopoihshs twn desmeysewn gia ejodo apo thn krish krinetai poly qetikh. To an yparxoyn kapoies parathrhseis, einai parathrhseis poy ekfrazoyn thn agwnia kai twn etairwn mas. Kai fysika, kaneis den mporei na pei oti ta pragmata einai eykola kai ennoeitai oti tipota den einai aytomatopoihmeno. Alla me th doyleia poy kanei h kybernhsh kai ta apotelesmata ths doyleias ayths emfanizontai me th meiwsh toy elleimmatos, menoyme sto qetiko poy mas dinei ayth h ekqesh ths Komision.

STRATAKHS: Na epanelqw sto Asfalistiko. Epeidh -mporei na eimai kai blaj, den jerw- den katanow ayth thn anafora toy k. Loberdoy oti to kratos qa eggyhqei mia ajiopreph syntajh, pws orizetai ayth h ajioprephs syntajh; Poio einai to plaisio basei toy opoioy orizetai; Gia na katalabw kai egw dhladh, na mhn aisqanomai blakas.

PETALWTHS: Den qa mporoyse na yparxei posotikos orismos toy ajioprepoys xarakthra mias syntajhs. O ajioprephs xarakthras syntajhs einai parametros, h opoia exei na kanei me thn idia thn poiothta ths zwhs mas. Prwta ap` ola, qa yparxei syntajh. Ayto einai to basiko apo to opoio jekiname. Deyteron, yparxei mia seira apo asfalistikes dikleides, etsi wste ayth h syntajh na exei sxesh kai me thn ejasfalismenh kai ajiopreph diabiwsh toy Ellhna polith. Ki ayto exei na kanei kai me thn antapodotikothta twn eisforwn poy exei katabalei o kaqe poliths, me ton periorismo twn spatalwn syntajewn, twn terastiwn syntajewn, etsi wste ta xrhmata poy ejoikonomoyntai apo ekei na phgainoyn stis mikres kai tis mesaies syntajeis. Kai fysika orizetai, symplhrwmatika, kai o qesmos twn analogistikwn meletwn poy qa ginontai ana dyo xronia peripoy, etsi wste bainontas qetika h oikonomia mas na enisxyontai kai oi syntajeis twn Ellhnwn politwn.

Ola ayta, antilambanomaste oti dhmioyrgoyn ena periballon opoy h syntajh toy Ellhna polith mporei na beltiwnetai kai na ginetai kalyterh. Kai fysika einai safes oti yparxei h eggyhsh kai apo to Syntagma, alla kai apo ayth thn kybernhsh toylaxiston, oti h syntajh poy qa apolambanei o Ellhnas poliths qa einai h deoysa, qa einai ajioprephs.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera o Prwqypoyrgos, milwntas se mia ekdhlwsh ths Ekklhsias, ejhre th logikh ths filanqrwpias kai xqes, milwntas sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, milhse gia ena dixty koinwnikhs prostasias. Ayto ti shmainei; Oti to neo kratos pronoias poy oikodomeitai, qa dinei ena jerokommato stoys pleon ejaqliwmenoys poy genna ayth h politikh, sth genikh ftwxeia dhladh;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, emeis kai ws PASOK exoyme mia sygkekrimenh apoch gia to ti shmainei filanqrwpia. Th filanqrwpia th blepoyme mono sto plaisio ths allhleggyhs. H filanqrwpia toy parelqontos anhkei sto parelqon, den exei kamia sxesh me tis qewries ths shmerinhs kybernhshs, alla den exei kai kamia sxesh me to sygxrono kai proodeytiko kosmo. Einai, omws, stoixeiwdes kaqhkon mias shmerinhs eynomoymenhs kai proodeytikhs koinwnias na diasfalizei, sto plaisio ths allhleggyhs, thn prostasia twn pio adynamwn politwn. Kai ayth h prostasia afora toys oikonomika adynamoys, ta atoma me eidikes anagkes, tis eidikes plhqysmiakes omades. Emeis hmastan aytoi poy -akomh kai apo tis prohgoymenes kybernhseis toy PASOK- eisagagame qesmoys, opws h bohqeia sto spiti, h prostasia twn atomwn me eidikes anagkes, ta Kentra Ekpaideyshs Koinwnikhs Yposthrijhs kai Katartishs Atomwn me Eidikes Anagkes poy dhmioyrghqhkan se shmantika shmeia se olh th xwra kai einai sygxrona kentra ejyphrethshs twn atomwn me anaphries. Kai mia seira apo alla zhthmata, ta opoia qa ejeidikeyqoyn ana ypoyrgeio kai ana tomea, etsi wste na paroysiastoyn apo thn kybernhsh se xrono eyqeto kai einai ayta poy qa apoteloyn to koinwniko dixty prostasias, to opoio safws kai apaiteitai kai to opoio safws einai epilogh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, etsi wste na prostateyetai kai se ayto to epipedo o adynamos poliths.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Qa mporoysate na mas peite peripoy gia to kostos aytwn twn metrwn kai poy qa breqoyn ta xrhmata gia na ylopoihqoyn aytes oi politikes, me ta sfixta dedomena toy mnhmonioy;

PETALWTHS: Egw qa sas pw kati to opoio diastreblwnetai apo mia megalh merida kai twn politikwn alla kai twn MME, oti ta lefta yparxoyn. Kai parolo poy htan mia proeklogikh rhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy -kai kathgoreitai shmera to PASOK- otan elege oti ta lefta yparxoyn kai poy einai ta lefta shmera, ta lefta yparxoyn akomh kai shmera. Efoson exoyme balei stoxo -kai ginetai fysika- na periorisoyme tis terasties spatales toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy, efoson ejorqologizoyme th leitoyrgia toy ellhnikoy kratoys, efoson antimetwpizoyme oles aytes tis istories typoy ``AGROGH'' me ton tropo poy prepei na antimetwpizoyme kai bazontas fysika tis swstes proteraiothtes, tote, pragmatika, xrhmata yparxoyn. Giati xrhmata yparxoyn sto ellhniko Dhmosio. Aplws, mexri twra phgainan ekei poy den eprepe na phgainoyn, se terastioys misqoys, se terasties spatales twn ypoyrgwn ths kybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias, twn stelexwn ths, se terasties spatales twn kratikwn leitoyrgwn kai se terastioys misqoys, pragmata gia ta opoia exoyme hdh merimnhsei kai ta opoia hdh exoyme balei se ena dromo ejoikonomhshs, etsi wste ayta ta xrhmata na ta dioxeteysoyme ekei poy prepei. Kai to ``ekei poy prepei'' einai kai sto koinwniko dixty prostasias.

STRATAKHS: Yparxei, nomizw, mia proklhsh gi` ayto akribws to shmeio. Dhladh, oti perimename oloi na perioristoyn oi dapanes, poy oydeis amfisbhtei oti yphrxe mia tetoia diadikasia, alla otan akoyme kai den gnwrizoyme, mallon, akoma, prwton to misqo toy proedroy ths ERT kai deyteron, oti ananewnetai h ekpomph toy Spyroy Papadopoyloy, sympaqestatoy kata ta` alla, me ena kostos 1,8 ekat. se mia tetoia periodo, nomizw oti den yparxei antistoixia se ayto poy lete.

PETALWTHS: Ean qeloyme na milhsoyme memonwmena kai na poyme gia periptwseis -apo tis xiliades periptwseis- qa breqoyn kai kapoies poy qa fainontai oti den exoyn na kanoyn me peristolh dapanwn. Omws kai gia ton misqo toy Proedroy ths ERT na sas qymisw ti ginotan epi kybernhsews ths Neas Dhmokratias poy htan panw apo 30.000 eyrw. Alla kai gia th sygkekrimenh ekpomph poy anaferate to kostos htan poly megalo, megalytero apo ayto poy anaferate twra, pragmatika den qa kanw sygkriseis se sygkekrimenes periptwseis. Ekeino, omws, poy qa pw einai oti se ligo qa dhmosieyqoyn ta stoixeia apo ta opoia prokyptei to pososto ejoikonomhshs se kaqe ypoyrgeio. Kai tote, pragmatika, qa dei o ellhnikos laos oti h ejoikonomhsh poy ginetai, einai shmantikotath kai epeidh akribws emeis kanoyme kai mia allh kainotomia, thn opoia omws qewroyme stoixeiwdh ypoxrewsh enos eynomoymenoy kratoys: Hdh, perase apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai qa chfistei to nomosxedio gia thn anarthsh kaqe apofashs kai kaqe prajhs kaqe ypoyrgoy kai kaqe dioikhtikoy organoy sto diadiktyo. Ayto shmainei oti o kaqe ypoyrgos, o kaqe dieyqynths, to kaqe kratiko stelexos, anartwntas thn apofash poy ferei thn ypografh toy sto diadiktyo, qa dinei logariasmo amesa stoys polites.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eidame se ayto to plaisio ths spatalhs, poy lete, epi Neas Dhmokratias na ginontai sygkekrimenes kataggelies me aformh ta osa stoixeia edwse o k. Karximakhs gia ton k. Xatzhgakh kai oti spatales eginan gyrw apo thn ``AGROGH'' kai to ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs. Kai tiqetai apo ton aplo polith to ejhs erwthma: afoy ta exete ayta tekmhriwsei, giati den katalogizete eyqynes h na zhthsete na katalogistoyn eyqynes kai na plhrwqoyn apo aytoys poy ta ekanan. Dioti o poliths leei: wraia mas ta lete, malista ta kaname, mprabo, poios qa ta plhrwsei; Egw pali.

PETALWTHS: Symfwnw. Kai egw ws poliths ayto skeftomai kai ayto qa skeftomoyn an den yphrxe synexeia...

MIXAHL: Eiste, omws, kybernhsh.

PETALWTHS: Ayto sas lew. Mh biazeste. Prwton, emeis dhlwsame oti aytoi oi ergazomenoi, gia toys opoioys koptontai oi ypoyrgoi poy toys diorisan - kai gnwrizoyme para poly kala tis periptwseis - apolyontai. Poy shmainei oti stamatoyn na einai dhmosioi ypallhloi, etsi opws toys ekane en mia nykti kai teleiws paratypa, h Nea Dhmokratia. Deyteron, olh ayth h ypoqesh akoloyqei to dromo ths Dikaiosynhs kai ekei pragmatika qa katalogisqoyn kai eyqynes. Oi eyqynes qa katalogizontai apo edw kai sto ejhs opoy kai an briskontai, apo opoy kai an proerxontai. Kai yp ayth thn ennoia den qa menei tipote kryfo. Den qa dexomaste dhladh symchfismo oti ``etsi kanate kai eseis stis parelqoyses kybernhseis'', gi ayto to kaname kai emeis ws Nea Dhmokratia, xqes. Emeis emprakta me th symperifora kai me tis prajeis mas deixnoyme oti den skeftomaste me ayto ton tropo. Deixnoyme oti sebomaste ta xrhmata toy ellhnikoy laoy, alla poly perissotero sebomaste thn ajioprepeia kai thn nohmosynh toy aploy Ellhna polith.

SEGKOS: Se ena allo qema. Kyrie Ekproswpe, sto nomosxedio gia tis eklogikes dapanes stis dhmotikes ekloges, sto prosxedio poy doqhke sth dhmosiothta, apagoreyete th xrhmatodothsh twn ypochfiwn apo ta kommata kai apo koyponia. Dhladh, gia na einai kapoios ypochfios, pws qa ta bgazei pera; Qa prepei na exei proswpikh perioysia h na einai epixeirhmatias;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola to nomosxedio qa katateqei. Qa yparxei mia plhrhs katagrafh twn diatajewn kai fysika emeis eimaste aytoi poy akribws to kanoyme ayto, to nomosxedio ayto erxetai gia na stamathsei na yparxei h ejarthsh kai apo toys epixeirhmaties alla na yparxei kai mia diafanhs xrhmatodothsh. Ta koyponia einai adiafanhs xrhmatodothsh. Qa prepei oi dapanes na perioristoyn - oytws h allws periorizoyme tis problepomenes dapanes - kai yparxei sygkekrimenos tropos. Ayto einai ena megalo bhma. Ekei, omws, poy pragmatika qa spasei h ejarthsh twn eklogikwn kommatwn, alla kai twn politikwn apo ta symferonta, mikrotera h megalytera kaqe eidoys kai oxi mono epixeirhmatika, qa einai me to neo eklogiko nomo, opoy mesa apo tis eklogikes diadikasies den qa exei anagkh kanena politiko komma kai kaneis politikos na exei ton xrhmatodoth toy me tis synepeies poy oloi gnwrizoyme.

POLYMEROS: Prin apo ligo melh toy SYRIZA anhrthsan sthn pleyra toy Ai Giwrgh ston Lykabhtto, ena pano sto opoio grafoyn panw ``den qa perasoyn'' fysika anaferontas ta nea metra gia to Asfalistiko. Pws blepei h kybernhsh tetoies energeies;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola qa elega oti den einai kai poly prwtotypo. To KKE anhrthse to pano sthn Akropolh kai o SYRIZA, mallon, ws pio nomotaghs to anhrthse ston Lykabhtto. Qa hqela, omws, ayth thn eyaisqhsia na thn edeixne o SYRIZA otan h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias akoloyqoyse mia politikh remoylas, diafqoras, mia politikh h opoia apodeixqhke oti htan katastrofikh gia ton topo mas. Tote, omws, o k. Alabanos, ws proedros toy SYNASPISMOY elege oti ``qa symmaxhsoyme akomh kai me ton Adh, pantws oxi me to PASOK''. Ara, oi epiloges oi opoies ginontai kai gia ton tropo poy ekfrazetai kaqenas kai diamartyretai, alla kai gia to xrono, akomh kai gia tis epiloges ths kybernhshs, krinontai apo oloys mas kai sto telos krinontai apo ton ellhniko lao.

SEGKOS: Ti ennoeite otan lete oti o SYRIZA ws pio nomotaghs; Dhladh, yponoeite oti to KKE kineitai ektos twn oriwn ths nomimothtas;

PETALWTHS: Gia to KKE exw milhsei polles fores. As mh milhsoyme shmera. Otan anhrthse to pano sthn Akropolh eixa probei se ena sygkekrimeno sxoliasmo.

KOYTRAS: Dyo pragmata qelw na rwthsw. Prwton, milhsate gia ta qetika ths endiameshs ekqeshs ths Komision, den milhsate gia toys kindynoys toys opoioys anaferei, enas apo toys opoioys einai o plhqwrismos. Ean yparxei sygkekrimeno sxedio antimetwpishs. Ton Ioynio trexei me 5,2%, an den kanw laqos. Kai to deytero poy qelw na sas rwthsw einai anaforika me ton k. Samara. O proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias proteine orismena metra. Qelw na sas rwthsw an mporeite na yioqethsete kapoia apo ta metra. As poyme, ena metro to opoio proteinei o proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias einai o symchfismos ofeilwn apo kai pros to Dhmosio, metro poy exoyn proteinei kai ypoyrgoi toy PASOK sta ypoyrgika symboylia. An mporeite na yioqethsete kapoio metro, kai an qewreite oti einai swsto ayto poy leei o k. Samaras oti mporei h Ellada na bgei se dyo xronia apo to mnhmonio.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na jekaqarisoyme oti to qema den einai na bgoyme aplws apo to mnhmonio. Giati sas exw pei oti sto mnhmonio emperiexontai kai megales allages, oi opoies einai epibeblhmenes na ginoyn gia na mporesoyme na proxwrhsoyme pio mprosta ws Politeia, ws xwra. Ara, to na milame akaqorista kai aprosdiorista kai genikws gia to mnhmonio adikei thn olh prospaqeia poy ginetai, ws pros ta qetika shmeia. Apo ekei kai pera, oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, oi protaseis toy k. Samara, oso mporoysame na tis antilhfqoyme, pera apo to maqhma ths qewrhtikhs oikonomikhs poy egine dia twn probolwn, oi perissoteres einai protaseis poy oxi aplws proteinei kai to PASOK, alla hdh tis efarmozei kiolas. Oi alles protaseis einai genikologes, opws h ajiopoihsh ths perioysias toy Dhmosioy. Anakalycame thn Amerikh. Bebaia, h Nea Dhmokratia edwse deigmata pws ennoei thn ajiopoihsh ths perioysias toy Dhmosioy. To Batopedi einai ena poly kalo paradeigma, ws pros ayto. Emeis, pantws, akomh kai twra, perimenoyme na sygkrothqei h Nea Dhmokratia, na sygkrothsei tis protaseis ths, protaseis poy qa einai, omws, oysiastikes, poy den qa exoyn na kanoyn me mia eikona, h opoia oyte kan kalogoysth mporei na xarakthristei, etsi wste kai emeis na exoyme synainesh kai bohqeia estw apo to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, to opoio exei kai ena qesmiko rolo.

Ws pros toys kindynoys poy anaferate gia thn endiamesh ekqesh. Oi kindynoi mesa se mia tetoia epoxh kai se ena tetoio topio einai yparktoi. Gi` ayto akribws xreiazetai mia epagrypnhsh, mia ajiologhsh kai antimetwpish kaqe hmera twn megalwn problhmatwn ths oikonomias mas. Eipate gia plhqwrismo. As mhn jexname, omws, oti xqes h k. Katselh paroysiase sto ypoyrgiko symboylio agoranomikh diatajh gia tis kaqares times sto rafi, poy shmainei oti ginetai mia megalh prospaqeia na meiwqoyn oi times sta eidh prwths anagkhs, oytws wste na prostateyetai to eisodhma toy Ellhna katanalwth.

XRISTOFILOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, milhsate nwritera gia to noikokyrema toy Dhmosioy. Prosfata, o k. Papakwnstantinoy, koryfaios ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs kathggeile se thleoptikh synenteyjh, giati san kataggelia fanhke, oti ston OSE yparxoyn akomh amoibes ergazomenwn ycoys 8.000 eyrw. To plafon poy eixe ejaggeilei h kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos, prin apo mhnes gia tis amoibes sto Dhmosio isxyei; Kai an isxyei, gia poion efarmozetai;

PETALWTHS: Kai isxyei kai efarmozetai. Opoy entopizoyme periptwseis poy den exei efarmostei, tis efarmozoyme.

STRATAKHS: Na sas paw se ena allo qema. Poso ikanopoihmenh emfanizetai h mporei na aisqanetai h kybernhsh, otan ena systhma eisagwghs sthn Tritobaqmia Ekpaideysh poy exei kyriolektika ``jezoymisei'' oikogeneies, exei proxwrhsei sthn ejagwgh synallagmatos gia na spoydasoyn paidia, epitrepei twra thn prosbash me ``4'', me ``5'' kai me ``6'', sthn Tritobaqmia Ekpaideysh. Yparxei skech gia allagh; Giati ayto poy ginetai shmera toylaxiston prosballei oloys toys Ellhnes.

PETALWTHS: Ennoeite gia thn katarghsh ths bashs toy ``10'';

STRATAKHS: Otan bazoyme ta paidia kai tis oikogeneies se mia diadikasia na katanalwnoyn oloklhro proypologismo, se frontisthria, se parapaideia genikotera kai thn allh stigmh na mporei kapoios na perasei sto Panepisthmio me ``4'' kai me ``5'', nomizw oti edw yparxei mia tromerh kai tragikh antifash.

PETALWTHS: Ws pros ta pragmatika gegonota poy anaferete eimaste symfwnoi. Den yparxei Ellhnas poy na mhn gnwrizei ayto to ``panhgyri'' poy ginetai gyrw apo thn ellhnikh Paideia kai thn parapaideia, ektos toy oti den exei prohgoymeno kai den yparxei kati analogo se allh proodeymenh kai anaptygmenh xwra, einai enas paragontas opoy pragmatika ``jezoymizei'' ton Ellhna oikogeneiarxh. To an qa katarghqei h den qa katarghqei h bash toy ``10'', ayto exei syzhthqei. Akribws, omws, epeidh exoyme ypoxrewsh na antimetwpisoyme ayth thn katastash, thn pragmatika tragikh katastash poy brisketai h ellhnikh oikogeneia jodeyontas para polla xrhmata, xwris na yparxei sthn Paideia to apotelesma poy qa eprepe na yparxei, gi` ayto, akribws, apo to Septembrio jekinaei mia poly megalh diaboyleysh gia thn Tritobaqmia Ekpaideysh. Qa doyme dhladh, oxi aplws mia allagh toy tropoy eisagwghs sta Anwtata Ekpaideytika Idrymata alla mia synolikh antimetwpish ths Tritobaqmias Ekpaideyshs. Kai fysika, mia poly megalh kai sobarh parametros ths diaboyleyshs gia thn Tritobaqmia Ekpaideysh qa einai kai o tropos eisagwghs kai o,ti synepagetai ayto.

Sas eyxaristw.

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