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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 4 Ioynioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 271172198

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 4 Ioynioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Sto teleytaio atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai sth synenteyjh Typoy poy akoloyqhse, oi armodioi ypoyrgoi edwsan to stigma ths kybernhshs sxetika me thn ajiopoihsh toy apoqematos ploytoy ths xwras. Enos yparktoy ploytoy, megaloy, en pollois anajiopoihto, poy sxedon pote den eixe kan katagrafei. Emeis proxwrame sthn oysiastikh katagrafh ths dhmosias perioysias, ths perioysias toy ellhnikoy laoy.

Einai gegonos oti h xwra mas biwnei problhmata se dhmosionomiko kai xrhmatopistwtiko epipedo. Eimaste, bebaia, meros enos mhxanismoy sthrijhs poy mas epitrepei na kerdisoyme xrono, na mhn anhsyxoyme gia to daneismo mas apo tis agores, braxyproqesma. O xronos, omws, aytos poy kerdizoyme, einai polytimos kai prepei na ton diaxeiristoyme me ton pio apotelesmatiko tropo.

Exoyme milhsei polles fores gia tis agkylwseis toy dhmosioy tomea poy exoyn odhghsei sth dhmioyrgia enos ydrokefaloy, dyskinhtoy, aproswpoy kai en telei, adiafanoys kai anapotelesmatikoy kratoys, poy anti na ejyphretei ton polith ton talaipwrei.

Gnwrizoyme oloi tis anoixtes plhges pollwn organismwn, opws gia paradeigma, o OSE, poy eftase na exei ethsies zhmies ena disekatommyrio eyrw kai sysswreymena xreh ths tajhs twn deka disekatommyriwn eyrw, yphresies xamhloy epipedoy, yperogka xreh, kataspatalhsh toy dhmosioy xrhmatos, deina ta opoia telika epwmizontai oi Ellhnes polites.

Ayth einai h katastash shmera se polloys dhmosioys organismoys. Proxwrame, loipon, se mia politikh anadiarqrwshs kai ejorqologismoy toy dhmosioy tomea, poy qa beltiwsei th dhmosionomikh katastash ths xwras, apo ta esoda poy mporei na eisprajei to dhmosio. Qa ajiopoihsei to dynamismo ths idiwtikhs oikonomias, odhgwntas se anaptyjh kai telika qa epiferei oysiastikh anabaqmish ths poiothtas zwhs toy Ellhna polith.

Se ayth thn kateyqynsh den dexomaste kamia ekptwsh, oyte qa proboyme se bebiasmenes kinhseis. Proxwrame panta, ejasfalizontas thn energh kai oysiastikh symmetoxh toy Dhmosioy, se epixeirhseis strathgikhs shmasias kai eqnikhs asfaleias, me gnwmona th diasfalish twn dhmosiwn agaqwn kai thn prostasia toy dhmosioy symferontos kai twn Ellhnwn politwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na sas balw sth qesh toy polith, oxi oti eiste Ekproswpos. Eiste enas poliths poy anhsyxeite gia thn poreia ths xwras kai eiste sto spiti sas, anoigete thn thleorash h to radiofwno h tis efhmerides kai diapistwnete oti se ayth thn krisimh stigmh, se ena krisimo tomea gia thn tseph sas, gia thn oikonomia gia th xwra, gia thn eyhmeria toy ellhnikoy laoy, oi kratikopoihseis, oi ypoyrgoi tsakwnontai paroysia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, poios qa exei to panw xeri. Ayto eprepe na eixe lyqei prin apo th synedriash kai kyriws na eixe lyqei apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Pisteyete oti eginan laqos xeirismoi apo thn pleyra twn armodiwn;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, nomizw oti einai ontws poly logiko na erxomaste sth qesh toy polith, giati eimaste polites ayths ths xwras kai toylaxiston ayth h kybernhsh leitoyrgei me ayto ton tropo. As mhn jexname oti milame gia ena atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, poy exei katastei qesmos. Den einai typiko Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Einai ena atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, opoy apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo exei doqei to stigma, o rolos, o xarakthras enos xwroy ``ojygonwshs'' ths politikhs zwhs kai ths politikhs syzhthshs. Prohgeitai to atypo apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, poy shmainei, ti; Oti emeis synedriazoyme, syzhtame eleyqera akomh kai me diafwnies, giati ayto einai to shmantiko, ayto einai poy eleipe apo thn politikh zwh ths xwras mas. Ekei ginetai olh h gonimh syzhthsh kai h gonimh syzhthsh proypoqetei na yparxoyn kai diaforetikes proseggiseis kai apo toys ypoyrgoys, akomh kai apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo. Kai afoy oloklhrwqoyn oi syzhthseis sto atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio akoloyqoyn ta nomoqethmata akoloyqoyn to dromo toys.

Den qa symfwnhsw se ayto poy eipate oti dhladh oi ypoyrgoi tsakwnontai. Oi diaforetikes proseggiseis den einai tsakwmos. Epishs, den yphrxe kanena tetoio zhthma, oti dhladh kaqe ypoyrgos prospaqei na krathsei tis apokratikopoihseis gia to ypoyrgeio toy. Kai malista to stigma ayto doqhke apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo, o opoios sthn eishghsh toy periegrace pws leitoyrgoyn edw kai dekaeties ta ypoyrgeia, opoy kaqe ypoyrgos qewrei oti exei na kanei me diko toy feoydo. Emeis allazoyme ayth thn antilhch. Dhmioyrgoyme synantilhch metajy ypoyrgeiwn. Kai fysika, se ena tetoio megalo zhthma poy an to onomasoyme ``apokratikopoihseis'' adikoyme thn oysia - o swstos oros einai ajiopoihsh ths perioysias toy Dhmosioy - yparxoyn para polles parametroi me polla synqeta zhthmata. Sto proxqesino atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, den elhfqhsan apofaseis kata organismo, kata forea h kata ypoyrgeio. Alla doqhke ena sygkekrimeno plaisio, ena sygkekrimeno stigma kai ayto poy symfwnhqhke na doqei, einai to anaptyjiako plaisio, to opoio prosdioristhke kai kata th syzhthsh toy atypoy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Ayth einai h alhqeia kai ayth h alhqeia prepei na proslhfqei kai apo ton Ellhna polith. Edw den milame gia typiko Ypoyrgiko Symboylio poy mono apofasizei. Milame gia ena neo qesmo, ston opoio ginetai syzhthsh, antallagh idewn, proseggish etsi wste na yparxei h kalyterh epejergasia kai na ftasoyme se ekeines tis anadiarqrwseis kai se ekeines tis metarryqmiseis poy den eginan epi para polles dekaeties kai gi ayto ftasame se ayto to shmeio. Kai sas diabebaiwnw oti ayto egine me ton pio gonimo tropo.

BLAXOS : To na oristei kapoios poy na kinhsei th diadikasia, ayto poy eseis lete, opws to lete, egw to lew ``apokratikopoihseis'', den einai armodiothta, h epilogh toy proswpoy aytoy, toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Giati shmera akoysa ton Prwqypoyrgo sth Boylh na leei oti biwnoyme thn pio krisimh stigmh sthn istoria ths xwras. Ara, loipon, edw den milame gia syzhthseis, edw milame gia apofaseis.

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws.

BLAXOS: Xreiazontai, loipon, apofaseis, edw kai twra. Den exoyme thn polyteleia na syzhtame kai na tsakwnomaste h na antallassoyme apoceis kai xreiazetai ayth th stigmh ena xeri panw apo oloys, dhladh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, na apofasisei. Orizw ayton... telos... Ayto giati den egine; Ayto rwtaw.

PETALWTHS: Antilhpto ti rwtate, alla den mporw na syntaxqw me ayto poy lete oti den egine. H syzhthsh den htan oyte qewrhtikh oyte ideologikh. Sta atypa Ypoyrgika den ginetai qewrhtikh syzhthsh. Ayth ginetai se alla organa, isws kommatika h opoydhpote alloy. Ekei syzhtame gia sygkekrimena zhthmata me sygkekrimenes parametroys kai fysika den yphrxe periptwsh se ena megalo zhthma opoy exoyme organismoys, oi opoioi pragmatika epibarynoyn ton Ellhna polith, me parexomenes yphresies poy ypoleipontai shmantikotata, na yparxei mia kaqeth apofash.

BLAXOS: Poios qa syntonizei, k. Ekproswpe, telika; Den to exoyme maqei akomh.

PETALWTHS: Kaqe ypoyrgeio exei tis dikes toy armodiothtes. Apo kei kai pera, oson afora sthn akinhth perioysia armodio einai to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn, to opoio orizei kai einai ypeyqyno gia th dhmosia perioysia. Kaqe ypoyrgeio, sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn toy, qa frontisei kai qa merimnhsei kai qa exei thn eyqynh gia toys organismoys toys opoioys epopteyei. Ola ayta qa paroyn th seira toys, etsi wste na ginoyn kai oi apokratikopoihseis kai oi anadiarqrwseis kai h ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias.

KOYTRAS: Prwton, ti qa ginei me thn KED, thn opoia o k. Papakwnstantinoy proorizei gia na syntonisei oles aytes tis apokratikopoihseis se o,ti afora ta akinhta, kai o k. Pagkalos eipe oti einai diefqarmenh. Deyteron, h diafora sto sygkekrimeno atypo, einai oti meta anakoinwqhkan apofaseis, den egine kapoio typiko Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Kai triton, ti ekane ton Prwqypoyrgo na milhsei, na zhthsei mallon, kalyterh synergasia metajy twn synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn; Profanws, yparxei kapoio problhma.

PETALWTHS: Na jekinhsw apo to teleytaio skelos ths erwthshs sas kai na pw oti den yparxei kanena problhma. H eishghsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy prohghqhke ths syzhthshs ayths. Kai fysika as mhn jexname oti bghke pros ta ejw mia streblh, kata thn apoch moy, syntetagmenh apoch gia to ti egine se ayto to atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Emeis den fobomaste tipote. Kai ayto apodeiknyetai kai apo tis synedriaseis twn Ypoyrgikwn Symboyliwn poy sygkaloyntai apo thn kybernhsh toy PASOK se sygkrish malista me ayta poy eginan thn prohgoymenh ejaetia. Qa mporoyse na akoloyqoyme allo montelo kai na pairnei kaqe ypoyrgos tis dikes toy apofaseis. Emeis leitoyrgoyme syllogika, syntetagmena. Apo kei kai pera, oson anafora sthn KED, gnwrizoyme poly kala...

KOYTRAS: Me sygxwreite k. Ekproswpe. Otan lete ``streblh syntetagmenh apoch'' ennoeite oti oloi oi dhmosiografoi ebgalan kati streblo; Bgalame kati to opoio den yphrxe;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, eipwqhkan pragmata kai qewries, oi opoies ontws den yphrxan.

KOYTRAS: Opws;

PETALWTHS: Ayto qa to breite eseis. Einai dikh sas doyleia. Emeis anakoinwnoyme...

BLAXOS: Oysiastika anoigete ena qema, oti kapoios mesa apo to atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio edwse sthn...

PETALWTHS: Den anoigw tipota kai gnwrizete para poly kala ti ennow.

BLAXOS: Ennoeite oti oi dhmosiografoi ekanan th streblh paroysiash h aytoi poy toys to eipan mesa apo...

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw. Eseis, ean gnwrizete kapoioys poy toys to eipan apo mesa strebla eimai edw gia na to akoysw. Egw ayta poy diabasa, kai diabasa polla, den exoyn sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. To na pairnoyme apospasmatika kapoies rhseis kapoiwn ypoyrgwn adikoyn thn oysia. Ayto poy ginetai, epanalambanw, einai ojygono gia thn politikh zwh. Einai ayto poy mesa apo dhmokratikes diadikasies orizei kai tis apofaseis kai to dynamismo twn apofasewn aytwn. Oson afora sto prwto erwthma sas, gnwrizoyme oloi oti h KED, me th xeiragwghsh apo thn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias htan ayth poy meqodeyse kai jepoylhse sthn kyriolejia, xarise th dhmosia perioysia sth Monh Batopedioy, me toys koymparoys poy proistanto ths prohgoymenhs katastashs. Kai pragmatika ekei xreiazetai mia diaforetikh antimetwpish ths KED ws organismoy alla kai mia diaforetikh antimetwpish ths dhmosias perioysias.

Yparxei boylhsh na ginei h KED pragmatika enas organismos, o opoios qa ajiopoiei th dhmosia perioysia kai emeis badizoyme me gnwmona ayth th megalh proklhsh.

MIXAHL: O k. Papakwnstantinoy kai oi synarmodioi ypoyrgoi, sto plaisio twn programmatikwn kateyqynsewn poy anakoinwsan meta to telos toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, metajy allwn eipan oti h KED, h Etaireia Toyristikwn Akinhtwn kai ta Olympiaka Akinhta, qa sygxwneyqoyn se mia eniaia etaireia, se enan eniaio forea kai aytos o foreas qa einai o foreas o opoios qa ekproswpei sto ejhs ta akinhta toy Dhmosioy kai apo kei kai pera, qa apofasizetai ti qa ginei. Qelw na rwthsw, loipon, ean oi dyo ek twn synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn, o k. Geroylanos kai o k. Reppas, symfwnoyn me th sygxwneysh ayth.

PETALWTHS: Ayta poy dhlwse o k. Papakwnstantinoy - prwta ap` ola, den htan monos toy sth synenteyjh Typoy, htan oloi oi synarmodioi ypoyrgoi- fysika ekfrazoyn thn kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prosypografw osa eipate gia thn KED. Alla qelw na sas pw oti egw, ayta poy lete gia thn KED, opws ta lete shmera, ta eklambanw ws aixmh gia ton k. Papakwnstantinoy.

PETALWTHS: Giati;

BLAXOS: Giati ayta ola ta opoia eginan apo thn KED, olo ayto to diasthma, nomizw oti eginan dhmosia kai ara qa eprepe na ta jerei o k. Papakwnstantinoy prin paei sto atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai pei h ``amartwlh'' KED na syntonizei ayta.

PETALWTHS: Oyte oi onomasies einai aytes poy kanoyn tis yphresies ``amartwles'', oyte fysika oi ypoyrgoi poy erxontai na diaxeiristoyn aytoys toys organismoys. Emeis eimaste se gnwsh. Ennoeitai oti o k. Papakwnstantinoy den exei eyqynes gia o,ti ekane h KED epi Neas Dhmokratias. Emeis ws kybernhsh exoyme eyqynes gia to ti kanoyme apo tote poy analabame thn ejoysia. Kai fysika, den yparxoyn koympia ta opoia patame gia na allajoyn toso eykola oi organismoi, oyte mas enoxloyn ta onomata. Mas enoxlei h leitoyrgia sygkekrimenwn organismwn kai fysika ayth th leitoyrgia emeis thn allazoyme kai me th filosofia poy mas diepei kai me th mh xeiragwghsh toys gia idia symferonta, opws ginotan sto parelqon, kai fysika me thn apo edw kai pera ejorqologistikh toys leitoyrgia poy gia emas, ayto einai to shmantiko.

SIDERHS: Den exoyme oloi ton idio politiko kaqwsprepismo. Isws na eprepe na ginei o tsakwmos. To problhma einai, giati egine twra kai den egine ton Dekembrh. Sas exoyn jefygei ta pragmata k. Ekproswpe;

PETALWTHS: Den egine kanenas tsakwmos.

SIDERHS: Kai na egine, den egine ton Dekembrh. Sas exoyn jefygei ta pragmata;

PETALWTHS: Ws pros ti;

SIDERHS: Xronika. Oi kairoi einai para poly dyskoloi. Epeigoyn oi draseis poy prepei na ginoyn kai eseis efqase Ioynios gia na apofasisete ayta, enw qa eprepe na ta exete apofasisei mesa stoys dyo-treis prwtoys mhnes. Hsastan toso aproetoimastoi; Exete tetoia abelthria kybernhtikh;

PETALWTHS: To poso eimaste proetoimasmenoi to deixnoyme, giati paleyoyme apo thn prwth hmera kai me ta nomoqethmata poy exoyme ferei kai me tis megales allages, poy parolo oti oi kairoi einai para poly dyskoloi kai oi synqhkes einai para poly dyskoles, emeis kanoyme metarryqmiseis, kanoyme diarqrwtikes allages sthn Politeia sthn oikonomia, sthn koinwnia.

Qa htan para poly eykolo gia mas na jepoylhsoyme organismoys, opws ginotan sto parelqon. Emeis, omws, milame gia mia systhmatikh kai meqodikh ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias, kati poy den ginetai apo th mia hmera sthn allh. Ayto poy eprepe na kanoyme kai poy hdh kanoyme olo ayto to diasthma, einai na katagracoyme, prwta ap` ola, th dhmosia perioysia. Otan diaxeirizomaste ena kratos kai den gnwrizoyme oyte ena mikro meros ths dhmosias perioysias, antilambanetai kapoios me th stoixeiwdh logikh poso dyskolh einai h diaxeirish ayths ths perioysias. Emeis hdh to jekinhsame ayto kai hdh proxwrame se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Kai an ginontan ayta stoys dyo-treis prwtoys mhnes, tote qa erxosastan shmera eseis gia na mas milate gia proxeirothta - eseis, ennow h koinh gnwmh- kai gia jepoylhma. Emeis oyte energoyme me proxeirothta, oyte jepoylame. Prokeitai gia megalh dhmosia perioysia, thn opoia antimetwpizoyme me ton ofeilomeno sebasmo kai pantote sto plaisio ths nomimothtas.

SIDERHS: Ayta poy apofasisate na poylhsete, den exei shmasia an qa jepoylhsete h qa idiwtikopoihsete, htan gnwsta, htan gnwstes epixeirhseis. Den xreiazotan kamia xartografhsh leptomereiakh toy Dhmosioy gia na apofasisete gi` aytes tis epixeirhseis poy htan pagkoinws gnwstes kai htan zhtoymeno h apokratikopoihsh toys. Den eipame gia to Organismo Apojhranshs ths Kwpaidas .

PETALWTHS: Allo na einai dhmosiografika gnwsta kapoia pragmata kai na ta gnwrizoyme ws polites kai allo na ta diaxeirizomaste me thn eyqynh poy exoyn oi kybernhtikoi leitoyrgoi kai idiaitera oi politikoi poy ta diaxeirizontai, etsi wste na ajiopoihsoyn me ton kalytero tropo th dhmosia perioysia. Ayth einai h arxh mas kai me monadiko gnwmona to dhmosio symferon proxwrame kai se ayto ton tomea.

BLABIANOS: Lete oti katagrafete th dhmosia perioysia. Qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Toso poly allaje, sta eji xronia ths Neas Dhmokratias, h dhmosia perioysia; Prin, kybernhsh hsastan kai pali. Den eixe katagrafei h dhmosia perioysia;

PETALWTHS: H dhmosia perioysia einai akatagrapth edw kai polles dekaeties.

BLABIANOS: Ara, eyqynetai kai to PASOK gi` ayto.

PETALWTHS: Aplws, h Nea Dhmokratia th xeiristhke kai th diaxeiristhke me ton pio aparadekto tropo kai kaqe allo para pros to dhmosio symferon. Kai ayto to gnwrizoyme oloi.

MPEQANH: Diabazw oti ekane kybernhtikos ajiwmatoyxos dhlwseis sto Roiters xqes, me tis opoies leei oti h kybernhsh proxwrhse sthn proslhch xrhmatooikonomikoy symboyloy gia tis apokratikopoihseis. To epibebaiwnete;

PETALWTHS: Oti proxwrhse h qa proxwrhsei, elege to Roiters;

MPEQANH: Proxwrhse elege. Proxwra, proxwrhse, qa proxwrhsei, telos pantwn.

PETALWTHS: Otan qa lhfqei h apofash, qa anakoinwqei. Kai na mh daimonopoioyme ta panta. Otan prokeitai gia dhmosia perioysia, otan prokeitai gia ena megalo zhthma nomimothtas kai diaxeirishs ths dhmosias perioysias, yparxei endexomeno na xreiazetai kai kapoios symboylos, o opoios einai poly ejeidikeymenos. Giati apodeixqhke oti parolo poy exoyme ena terastio dynamiko sto Dhmosio, mexri twra den leitoyrghse ayto pros ofelos toy dhmosioy symferontos.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prokeitai telika gia ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias h gia ekpoihsh, opws paradexontan akoma kai stelexh ths dikhs sas kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: Den eipe kaneis oti ekpoieitai dhmosia perioysia. Gi` ayto anefera oti bghkan strebla kapoia pragmata pros ta ejw. Ekeino poy qeloyme einai na leitoyrghsoyme prosektika kai gi` ayto akribws ginontai oles aytes oi diadikasies kai se ayto to xrono, giati exoyme eyqynh apenanti sth dhmosia perioysia. Kai den prokeitai gia jepoylhma, oyte gia ekpoihsh. Ayto, isws, qa htan to pio eykolo kai to pio boliko. Emeis, omws, doyleyoyme me orizontes dekaetias. Den mas endiaferei eispraktika na kerdisei aplws to ellhniko kratos apo thn ekpoihsh kapoias perioysias. Mas endiaferei h kalyterh ajiopoihsh. Na dwsoyme ena stigma poy qa leitoyrghsei epi dekaeties gia th dhmosia perioysia, opws den egine epi polles dekaeties mexri twra.

KOYTRAS: Qelw na sas rwthsw, ean yparxei problhma diagkwnismoy (den akoygetai)...

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos to anefere ayto sto atypo ypoyrgiko symboylio, oti dhladh to kratos einai etsi domhmeno wste kaqe ypoyrgos anti na asxoleitai epitelika kai na paragei politikh, anagkazetai ek twn pragmatwn -me th leitoyrgia toy kratoys etsi opws einai- na asxoleitai kai me alla kaqhkonta, me kaqhkonta poy prosidiazoyn se enan anwtero dhmosio ypallhlo. Ayto akribws einai poy dhmioyrgei ta problhmata sta ypoyrgeia kai einai ayto akribws poy den afhnei kai toys ypoyrgoys na leitoyrghsoyn ws qesmika proswpa opws qa eprepe na leitoyrgoyn. Eidika malista, opoy prokeitai gia synarmodiothta, opoy ta zhthmata einai akomh pio synqeta.

SIDERHS: Eipate proxqes sth synadelfo Zafeiradoy, se sxesh me th daskala k. Xara Nikopoyloy, oti opoies pieseis akoygontai gi` aythn einai anypostates fhmes. Eiste boyleyths Qrakhs. Den exete maqei tipote; Den exete diabasei efhmerides, den exoyn fqasei sta aytia sas osa exei ypostei ayth h gynaika mesa sto kratos en kratei poy exoyn dhmioyrghsei oi egkaqetoi toy toyrkikoy Projeneioy;

PETALWTHS: Prwton, h synadelfos sas, ka. Zafeiriadoy, rwthse gia th metaqesh ths sygkekrimenhs daskalas. Ep' aytoy yparxei sxetikh anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias. Deyteron, anaferate oti eimai boyleyths Qrakhs kai afoy blepw oti asxoleiste me to zhthma sas apantw oti an asxoliosastan pio epistamena qa blepate kai dhlwseis poy ekana, kai malista kathgorhqhka gi` aytes, otan eixe teqei to qema sto opoio anafereste, ths symperiforas apenanti sthn k. Nikopoyloy. An cajete stoixeiwdws ligo parapanw, qa ta breite ayta.

MIXAHL: Qelw na epanelqw sto qema twn apokratikopoihsewn. Kai na sas rwthsw kai ws ypoyrgo armodio gia ta kratika MME. Einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs na epitrecei kai thn eisagwgh idiwtwn sta dyo kratika MME, sto APE kai thn ERT, se meiochfiko pososto;

PETALWTHS: Ti ennoeite;

MIXAHL: Na poylhsete ena pososto ths ERT kai toy APE.

PETALWTHS: Ayto, to exete ws plhroforia eseis, giati egw to akoyw gia prwth fora.

MIXAHL: Oxi, rwtaw giati yparxei anhsyxia gia polloys, oti mporei na epektaqei kai se aytoys toys tomeis h eisodos (den akoygetai) kai kata synepeia, qelw na sas rwthsw ws armodio ypoyrgo ean exete tetoia skech h tetoia proqesh.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den eimai armodios ws pros thn ERT. Deyteron, ayth thn anhsyxia thn akoyw prwth fora.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh hmoyn sth Boylh kai akoysa ton k. Papandreoy na milaei, h kybernhsh sprwxnei, elafra pros to paron, thn karekla toy k. Probopoyloy;

PETALWTHS: Dhladh;

BLAXOS: Yparxei qema Probopoyloy;

PETALWTHS: Oxi.

BLAXOS: Trizei h karekla h estw ena podi ths kareklas;

PETALWTHS: H Trapeza ths Ellados exei th qesmikh leitoyrgia ths, th qesmikh aytoteleia ths. Yparxoyn sygkekrimenes diadikasies gia ton orismo kai th leitoyrgia toy dioikhth ths. Kai ayto, h kybernhsh to sebetai.

BLAXOS: Ennow san proswpo, ton k. Probopoylo. Den milaw san qesmo. Milaw gia ton k. Probopoylo.

PETALWTHS: O k. Probopoylos einai shmera dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Ellados. Opws sas eipa, yparxoyn sygkekrimenes diadikasies me tis opoies orizetai kapoios ws dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Ellados kai h leitoyrgia toy orizetai apo sygkekrimena shmeia toy nomoy poy orizoyn kai th leitoyrgia ths Trapezas ths Ellados. Einai mia aytonomh Arxh kai oi armodiothtes ths Politeias einai periorismenes ws pros ayto. Alla den yparxei qema Probopoyloy.

BLABIANOS: Epeidh, an moy epitrepete, synagw apo thn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti afhnei anoixto to endexomeno na klhqei o k. Probopoylos apo thn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs gia to peribohto T13 twn omologwn. Mexri xqes, epishs an den kanw terastio laqos, o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn k. Papakwnstantinoy ensternizotan oles tis epejhghseis poy edine h Trapeza ths Ellados panw sto qema. Telikws, h kybernhsh exei kanei laqos, h Trapeza ths Ellados exei kanei laqos sthn epilogh ths, ti akribws exei symbei;

PETALWTHS: Ws pros ayto, sto opoio apanthse shmera o Prwqypoyrgos: Qesh ths kybernhshs einai oti einai h diadikasia sthn opoia anafereste afora thn Trapeza ths Ellados. Se ayth th qesh hmastan kai se ayth th qesh emmenoyme.

KOYTRAS: Eipate oti den yparxei qema Probopoyloy. Apolambanei ths empistosynhs ths kybernhshs o k. Probopoylos;

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa prohgoymenws.

KOYTRAS: Oxi, den apanthsate. Eipate oti...

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa oti yparxoyn diadikasies me tis opoies orizetai o dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Ellados, me tis opoies leitoyrgei o dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Ellados kai menoyme ekei.

BLAXOS: ``Periorismenes oi armodiothtes ths Politeias'', to eipate. Hsastan safestatos.

PETALWTHS: Ypo thn ennoia oti h Trapeza ths Ellados den einai dhmosios foreas, den einai kratikos organismos...

BLAXOS: An den htan periorismenes oi armodiothtes ths politeias, einai profanes, qa eixame allo skhniko. Ayto mas lete.

PETALWTHS: Den sas lew tipote. Eseis ta sxoliazete ayta kai eseis ta krinete..

MIXAHL: Den qa sas balw ston peirasmo na sxoliasete h na ektimhsete thn poreia twn ejetastikwn epitropwn. Exete pei kat epanalhch oti ayto afora tis idies kai tis leitoyrgies toys. Omws, qelw na moy kanete ena geniko politiko sxolio apo to gegonos oti para polla stelexh kai ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, alla kai allwn kommatwn, qewroyn oti osa ginontai stis ejetastikes epitropes, einai prospaqeies na mhn fanerwqei h alhqeia kai se kaqe periptwsh na sygkalyfqei h na apokalyfqei merikws, wste na stamathsoyn oi peraiterw ereynes kai oti bghke sto fws, bghke.

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw poioi to sxoliazoyn h poioi exoyn ayth thn ektimhsh. Ayto poy mporw na sas pw egw einai oti oi ejetastikes epitropes, efoson yparxei h politikh boylhsh kai h boylhsh, genikotera, twn melwn poy tis apartizoyn mporei na exoyn tetoia apotelesmata, poy oyte kan h idia h Dikaiosynh qa mporoyse na exei kai malista me diaforetikoys ryqmoys.

KOYTRAS: Qelw na sas rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh exei kokkines grammes gia to Asfalistiko kai an epibebaiwnete ths fhmologia poy yparxei tis teleytaies hmeres, oti yparxei periptwsh na emplakei se diapragmateyseis kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos.

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh dra syntetagmena. Yparxoyn armodioi ypoyrgoi kai armodioi kratikoi leitoyrgoi, oi opoioi xeirizontai ta zhthmata me ta opoia einai epifortismenoi. Th qesh mas gia to Asfalistiko thn exoyme pei kai qa fanei fysika me thn kataqesh toy asfalistikoy nomosxedioy.

BLAXOS: Epeidh eiste kai armodios, exete asxolhqei me to qema ayto : Prin merikes hmeres, prin dyo - treis hmeres, h Nea Dhmokratia, oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias aytoi poy metexoyn sthn ejetastikh epitroph gia to Batopedi allajan qesh, kai zhthsan na yparjei mia paratash ergasiwn, prokeimenoy na anoijoyn oi logariasmoi kai to metoxologio twn dwdeka off shore etairiwn poy exoyn anamixqei sto qema toy skandaloy ths Monhs Batopedioy kai kyriws ths ``RASATEL'', poy ftiaxthke gia ayto ton skopo. To PASOK den to edwse. Pisteyete oti mporei na bgei porisma kai na einai peistiko apenanti ston ellhniko lao, otan den exoyn anoijei oyte oi logariasmoi, oyte to metoxologio twn dwdeka off shore etairiwn poy exoyn anameixqei me to skandalo ths Monhs Batopedioy;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, na dhlwsw pali oti sebomaste ws kybernhsh thn aytoteleia twn ejetastikwn epitropwn. Deyteron, oi ejetastikes epitropes den mporoyn na diereynhsoyn ta panta. Diereynoyn politikes eyqynes kai apo kei kai pera, dinoyn kai tis kateyqynseis. Den mporw na to krinw to sygkekrimeno. Gia na apofasisoyn ta melh ths ejetastikhs epitrophs oti den apaiteitai paratash mexri ton Septembrio safws qa eixan toys logoys toys. Apo kei kai pera, yparxei pedio na diereynhqoyn ta panta. Kai epanalambanw, efoson yparxei h politikh boylhsh mporei kai prepei na diereynhqei kaqe skia kai sthn ypoqesh ayth, h opoia oytws h allws exei talaipwrhqei poly kairo.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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