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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 1 Ioynioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 270652238

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 1h Ioynioy 2010

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri kai kalo mhna.

O Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei shmera me ton Prwqypoyrgo toy Belgioy k. Yves Leterme kai qa akoloyqhsoyn dhlwseis.

Qa hqela na anaferqw se epimeroys shmantikes prwtoboylies ths kybernhshs se zhthmata agrotikhs politikhs, ygeias kai paideias.

To armodio ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs prowqei amesa tria nomosxedia - tomes sthn agrotikh politikh.

Me to Mhtrwo Agrotwn kai Agrotikwn Ekmetalleysewn mpainei epiteloys tajh ston agrotiko xwro, kaqierwnetai to agrotiko epaggelma kai xartografeitai h agrotikh drasthriothta, etsi wste na efarmostoyn katallhla stoxeymenes parembaseis sthrijhs toy agroth kai twn agrotikwn proiontwn.

Me thn anadiarqrwsh toy ELGA, bazoyme oristika telos stis praktikes poy hqelan enan organismo asfalishs na exei rolo mhxanismoy anaplhrwshs eisodhmatos kai jekina mia nea epoxh diafaneias, toso stis eisfores, oso kai stis apozhmiwseis twn agrotwn.

Me thn anasygkrothsh twn agrotikwn synetairismwn, stoxeyoyme sthn ejygiansh kai thn anaptyjh toys, wste na apotelesoyn anaptyjiaka ergaleia askhshs agrotikhs politikhs.

Epipleon, kanoyme prajh th desmeysh mas gia anaptyjh ths perifereias, me epitaxynsh twn diadikasiwn ylopoihshs twn programmatwn Leader, me synolikh dhmosia dapanh poy fqanei ta 300 ekatommyria eyrw kai prokhryjh twn drasewn poy aforoyn oles ekeines tis ependyseis, twn sxediwn beltiwshs, twn gewrgikwn ekmetalleysewn kaqws kai sxedia poy entassontai sta oloklhrwmena programmata agrotikhs anaptyjhs, ston agrotiko xwro, posoy panw apo 1 disekatommyrio eyrw.

Sto plaisio ths kybernhtikhs politikhs gia diafaneia, se oloys toys tomeis, to ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs exei aposteilei ston armodio Eisaggelea, kataggelies gia paragwgoys poy eiseprattan paranoma epidothseis, kaqws kai kataggelies gia yperogkh xrewsh agrotwn gia thn energopoihsh twn dikaiwmatwn ths eniaias enisxyshs.

Se ayto to shmeio, qa hqela na ypogrammisw thn ajia ths prwtoboylias ths politikhs hgesias toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias gia to anamorfwmeno programma twn 800 olohmerwn sxoleiwn. Oloi gnwrizoyme thn ajia, alla kai ta problhmata toy olohmeroy sxoleioy. Me to neo ayto qesmiko plaisio anabaqmizetai, epi ths oysias, aytos o qesmos kai dinetai nea ekpaideytikh wqhsh se maqhtes kai didaktiko proswpiko.

Telos, ston tomea ths ygeias, qa hqela na anaferqw sth shmantikh prospaqeia poy ginetai apo ta synarmodia ypoyrgeia gia th meiwsh ths timhs twn farmakwn. Hdh, ta prwta apotelesmata sygkrathshs twn farmakeytikwn dapanwn einai orata kai blepoyme mia mesh meiwsh h opoia einai poly megalh.

Kai epeidh akoygontai polla tis teleytaies hmeres, kaqws einai safes oti apo thn kybernhtikh politikh plhttontai kapoia symferonta, qa hqela na ypogrammisw kai na kaqhsyxasw toys Ellhnes polites oti den qa yparxei kamia elleich farmakeytikwn proiontwn sthn agora. Qa agorazoyn fqhna farmaka kai sthn apaitoymenh posothta.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Prin dyo mhnes, h Boylh chfise nomo gia to neo prosdiorismo, ena neo systhma gia ton kaqorismo twn timwn twn farmakwn. Giati h kybernhsh den exei ylopoihsei akomh ayto to nomo, alla paei me amfilegomenes ypoyrgikes apofaseis kai agoranomikes diatajeis, oi opoies qeloyn, malista, nees parembaseis sth Boylh, tropologies, gia na nomimopoihqoyn, anti na kanei to pio aplo, na ylopoihsei to nomo;

PETALWTHS: To qema ths meiwshs twn timwn twn farmakwn me thn apaitoymenh eparkeia einai ena poly synqeto zhthma. Einai zhthma poy exei polles parametroys. Exei sxesh me thn ygeia, exei sxesh me ton antagwnismo, exei sxesh me thn agora kai thn ygih epixeirhmatikothta. An doyme bebaia kai mia allh parametro, poy einai to xtyphma sygkekrimenwn symferontwn ta opoia yper-kostologoyn ta farmaka alla kai ayjanoyn tis dapanes twn farmakeytikwn proiontwn, eidikotera sto nosokomeiako tomea, antilambanomaste oti h antimetwpish den einai aplws qema mias nomoqetikhs prwtoboylias. Ayto poy kanei h kybernhsh me ta tria synarmodia ypoyrgeia, einai na prospaqei kaqe hmera, etsi wste sto telos na exoyme farmako kai eparkeia gia olo to lao sth fqhnoterh timh gia ton polith.

MAKRYGIANNHS: To problhma paroysiasthke apo thn agoranomikh diatajh poy ejedwse h k. Katselh sta telh Aprilioy, me thn opoia agoranomikh diatajh eperxetai orizontia meiwsh 20%, kati poy xtypa kai farmakobiomhxanies, oi opoies den exoyn yperboliko pososto kerdoys kai gi` ayto akribws, aposyroyn ta farmaka toys.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, kai gia thn aposyrsh twn farmakwn yparxei mia sygkekrimenh diadikasia. Qa prepei na yparxei mia proeidopoihsh triwn mhnwn. Akomh kai me parallhles eisagwges mporoyn na kalyptontai kapoia zhthmata elleichs farmakwn. Apo ekei kai pera, einai megalh h prospaqeia poy ginetai. To problhma den dhmioyrghqhke apo thn ekdosh ths agoranomikhs diatajhs. To problhma yparxei edw kai para polla xronia kai epibarynei tis tsepes toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ayto poy prospaqoyme na kanoyme emeis einai na jekaqarisoyme thn agora twn farmakwn kai ayto ginetai.

POLYMEROS: Prin apo ligo, o Koinoboyleytikos Ekproswpos k. Tzabaras anakoinwse oti qa kalesei ton k. Maniath, ton nyn yfypoyrgo Periballontos, na kataqesei sthn ejetastikh epitroph gia th Siemens, giati ton amartwlo ekeino kairo me tis apeyqeias anaqeseis, htan genikos grammateas kai stenos synergaths toy k. Mantelh. Exei kati na pei o k. Maniaths sthn ejetastikh epitroph kai einai aparaithth h klhteysh toy ekei;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na tonisw gia allh mia fora, oti oson afora thn klhteysh twn martyrwn stis Ejetastikes Epitropes, prokeimenoy na diereynhqei otidhpote, oi mones armodies einai oi idies Ejetastikes Epitropes. Opoiadhpote allh energeia qa htan parembash kai ypobaqmish toy ergoy toys. Apo ekei kai pera, fainetai oti h Nea Dhmokratia epilegei na paijei ena paixnidi syskotishs para diafaneias. Ean arxisoyme na kaloyme ton opoiondhpote htan synergaths opoioydhpote ypoyrgoy, tote pisteyw oti den diereynoyme thn alhqeia. Prospaqoyme na th sygkalycoyme, fortwnontas se proswpa sygkekrimenes prajeis h paraleiceis. Den yparxei kamia antirrhsh gia opoiodhpote proswpo, arkei h ejetastikh epitroph na apofasisei oti einai aparaithtos gia th diereynhsh ths oysiastikhs alhqeias twn pragmatwn. Epeidh me rwthsate gia sygkekrimeno proswpo, ton k. Maniath, sas anaferw oti ekeinh thn epoxh htan genikos grammateas. Den htan tipote allo. Kai ej oswn gnwrizw, den eixe kamia armodiothta se sxesh me ton OTE. Ws pros ton OSE, oi programmatikes symbaseis ypegrafhsan ena xrono protoy analabei o k. Maniaths th genikh grammateia sthn opoia proistato. Einai safes oti den xeiristhke qemata Siemens kaqws den eixe armodiothta. Alla, epanalambanw oti einai apofash ths ejetastikhs epitrophs na kalesei opoiondhpote qewrei, me tis proypoqeseis poy anefera prohgoymenws.

PAPPA: Hqela na rwthsw to ejhs. Xqes, h Nea Dhmokratia diatypwse to aithma, h ejetastikh epitroph oson afora to Batopedio na parei paratash mexri to Septembrh. Poia einai h dikh sas qesh;

PETALWTHS: H idia h ejetastikh epitroph qa apofasisei ep` aytoy.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes stamathse h ellhno-israhlinh askhsh kai yphrxan konta ploia ellhnika, ekei poy ginotan to makeleio. Giati h xwra mas den apodesmeyse ploio th stigmh poy xtyphqhkan ellhnika ploia, na paei estw ws parathrhths konta sta gegonota;

PETALWTHS: H proseggish poy kanoyme se ayto to qema einai systhmatikh, prosegmenh kai poly apotelesmatikh. Ayto poy eprepe na kanei h ellhnikh kybernhsh kai poy to prattei akomh kai twra, einai to endedeigmeno kai einai gnwstes oi kinhseis gia thn antimetwpish toy sygkekrimenoy zhthmatos.

SIDERHS: Poies einai aytes; Kai qa hqela na mas peite ti syzhthse xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos sta dieqnh thlefwna poy ekane ston k. Xristofia, ston k. Erntogan, ston k. Maxmoyt Ampas, ston k. Limperman kai ston k. Moysa.

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos anelabe ayth thn prwtoboylia na exei epikoinwnia me polles proswpikothtes oi opoies einai armodies kai emplekontai sto sygkekrimeno tragiko gegonos. Ennoeitai oti ekfrasthke h kaqeth antiqesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Ennoeitai oti o Prwqypoyrgos katadikase thn energeia ayth ths israhlinhs kybernhshs. Prospaqhsame me syntonismenes energeies na xeiristoyme thn katastash wste na exoyme tis ligoteres synepeies kai ws pros th swmatikh akeraiothta twn melwn ayths ths apostolhs, alla kai ws pros thn parabiash twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn, h opoia htan katafwrh, opws kai katafwrh htan kai h parabiash toy dieqnoys dikaioy.

SIDERHS: Kai mia teleytaia s` ayto. Problepetai klimakwsh twn energeiwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy h stamatame ekei;

PETALWTHS: Akomh kai ayth th stigmh poy milame o Prwqypoyrgos alla kai to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn probainoyn se sygkekrimenes energeies pros ayth thn kateyqynsh.

SEGKOS: H kybernhsh qa proxwrhsei se kapoies empraktes morfes katadikhs opws h diakoph ths symfwnias stratiwtikhs synergasias me to Israhl, h anaklhsh toy Ellhna presbh h qa meinei mono sth frastikh katadikh poy ap` o,ti fainetai den ptoei to Israhl.

PETALWTHS: To Israhl exei mia sygkekrimenh politikh kai mia sygkekrimenh taktikh. Apo ekei kai pera, h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei kanei oles tis deoyses energeies. Apo thn prwth stigmh, parakoloyqoyme stena thn katastash mesw toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Apo thn prwth stigmh ekfrasame thn antiqesh mas kai thn katadikh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs se ayth thn stratiwtikh epixeirhsh se dieqnh ydata. Kai fysika h merimna mas htan h diaswsh kai h epafh me ta ellhnika melh ths apostolhs, giati, opws gnwrizoyme eixan diakopei kai oi epikoinwnies. Meta apo polles prospaqeies, oi opoies synexizontai akomh kai twra, o Ellhnas presbhs sto Israhl brisketai sto xwro krathshs twn melwn ths apostolhs gia na syntonistei o epanapatrismos twn Ellhnwn. Hdh ta prwta melh ths apostolhs exoyn epanapatristei. Synexizoyme de na kanoyme oles tis aparaithtes energeies.

KLEITSIWTH: Exete kapoio sygkekrimeno gia to pote qa epistrecoyn ta ypoloipa melh, giati mexri twra, nomizw oti mono eji exoyn epistrecei.

PETALWTHS: Exoyn epistrecei eji melh ths apostolhs. Me tis energeies mas anamenontai na epistrecoyn kai ta ypoloipa. Einai, omws, mia synqeth diadikasia.

MIXAHL: Dyo erwthseis. H prwth einai ean o k. Papandreoy sxediazei stis epomenes epafes poy qa exei, na epikoinwnhsei me ton k. Netaniarxoy eidika gia thn periptwsh twn Ellhnwn yphkown. Kai to deytero einai to ejhs: Plhroforhqhkame apo ta reportaz kai twn jenwn kanaliwn kai twn ellhnikwn Meswn oti oi Israhlinoi qeloyn na perasoyn apo dikh orismenoys ej aytwn poy symmeteixan se ayth th nhopomph, metajy twn opoiwn kai merikoys Ellhnes. Kai skeftomai to ejhs aplo. H kybernhsh pws qa antidrasei se kati to opoio ekanan, paranomo, opws to xarakthrizete, me mia kathgoria h opoia poy qa basistei kai to trito einai pws qa mporesete aytoys poy toylaxiston oi idioi kathgoroyn, na toys ferete pisw.

PETALWTHS: Yparxoyn sygkekrimenes energeies oi opoies qa ginoyn gia na antimetwpistoyn ola ayta ta zhthmata poy anaferate. Kai epeidh olh ayth h epixeirhsh einai se ejelijh qa moy epitrecete na mhn sas apanthsw sygkekrimena. Pantws, epanalambanw oti h antimetwpish ths ellhnikhs Politeias einai h deoysa.

MIXAHL: Se ti aposkopei h shmerinh synanthsh, epafh toy k. Loberdoy me to grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia to qema toy Asfalistikoy;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na ypenqymisw oti o k. Loberdos einai ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs. Den yparxei, tipote pio fysiko apo to na yparxei synanthsh toy ypoyrgoy me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Apo ekei kai pera, na sas dieykrinisw...

PAPPA: Yparxei;

PETALWTHS: Na sas dieykrinisw oti ayth th synanthsh thn eixe zhthsei o k. Loberdos, enocei toy Asfalistikoy, prokeimenoy na yparxei mia syzhthsh etsi wste na ejelixqei ayth h poly shmantikh nomoqetikh prwtoboylia, me ton kalytero tropo. Den einai kati periergo, oyte kati parajeno.

MIXAHL: Einai mia diastash toy parajenoy, apo thn ejhs apoch kyrie Ekproswpe. Ean o k. Loberdos th zhtoyse, opws kaqe ypoyrgos aytonohta mporei na zhthsei epafh me ton Prwqypoyrgo h o Prwqypoyrgos kyriws, den qa yphrxe qema syzhthshs. Omws, exei mesolabhsei to grapto aithma twn Bryjellwn gia sygkekrimena metra epi toy Asfalistikoy, ta opoia den problepontai sto sxedio toy nomoy poy eseis ws Ypoyrgiko Symboylio egkrinate. Kata synepeia, qelw na rwthsw mphke sto trapezi ayto; Kai ti apofasizei h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: H synanthsh den exei ginei akomh. Kai sas anaferw oti to Asfalistiko einai ena poly megalo zhthma, poy monon ayth h kybernhsh to exei anoijei se tetoio baqmo. Akribws, ayth h kybernhsh htan poy diegnwse oti ean den lysoyme to Asfalistiko me tropo kaqeto kai oristiko, oxi aplws oi syntajeis twn epomenwn genewn, alla oi epomenes syntajeis den qa mporoyn na katablhqoyn. Ara, to na periorizoyme tis syzhthseis gia to Asfalistiko -poy toses exoyn ginei kai poy ginontai kaqhmerina- se ena zhthma adikei thn oysia ths syzhthshs.

SIDERHS: O k. Loberdos to exei katalabei;

BITALHS: Dhladh, h synanthsh einai kat` arxh toy k. Loberdoy me ton k. Papandreoy.

PETALWTHS: Yparxei kybernhtikh synanthsh ergasias. Den mporw na antilhfqw ti parapanw rwtate.

PAPPA: Na sas pw kyrie Ekproswpe, to Majimoy to diaceydei ayto.

PETALWTHS: Poios diaceydei;

PAPPA: Oti yparxei synanthsh Papandreoy-Loberdoy.

PETALWTHS: Poios to diaceydei;

PAPPA: O Elenopoylos, kyrie Ekproswpe.

BITALHS: Sas rwthse o k. Mixahl ean yparxei synanthsh toy ypoyrgoy k. Loberdoy me to prwqypoyrgiko grafeio kai eipate oti yparxei synanthsh toy k. Loberdoy me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Ep` aytoy, yparxei h synanthsh ayth; An yparxei kateyqeian h synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ypoyrgo, se ayto zhtaw dieykrinish.

PETALWTHS: Oxi. Epeidh yparxoyn yponooymena kai gnwrizw para poly kala...

BITALHS: Sthn erwthsh moy den eixa kanena yponooymeno...

PETALWTHS: H epimonh sto na apanthqei mia erwthsh ean o ypoyrgos synanthqei me ton Prwqypoyrgo h me to grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy den exei kanena nohma, otan sas apanthsa prohgoymenws. Den mporw na antilhfqw ti allo qelete.

MIXAHL: Einai allo pragma na syzhthsei o k. Loberdos me ton k. Papandreoy ean qa dexqei h oxi h Ellada tis epipleon apaithseis ths Komision...

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, h synanthsh den exei ginei akomh. Kai qa epitrecete sthn kybernhsh na ergazetai me ton tropo poy ergazetai. Sas apanthsa prohgoymenws oti den mporoyme na apomonwnoyme th syzhthsh se ena sygkekrimeno zhthma. Safws kai h syzhthsh den qa afora ena sygkekrimeno zhthma sto opoio anafereste. Exoyme na kanoyme me ena Asfalistiko, poy einai apo tis megalyteres metarryqmiseis poy qa ginoyn kai den mporoyme na menoyme se ena zhthma, etsi opws to qetete.

MIXAHL: Na janaqesw to erwthma pio aplo gia na ginei plhrhs aposafhnish: Einai allo pragma o k. Loberdos na synanthqei me ton k. Pampoykh h allo synergath toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia to pws qa ginei h diadikasia mexri th Boylh toy nomosxedioy poy exete hdh apofasisei kai einai allo pragma ean o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Loberdo syzhtoyn epi twn sygkekrimenwn protasewn kai opoiwndhpote allwn senariwn exoyn sto kefali toys gyrw apo to qema toy Asfalistikoy. Antilambaneste oti einai dyo diaforetika pragmata. Parakalw poly, ean mporeite, dieykriniste mas ti akribws ginetai.

PETALWTHS: Sas anefera oti h synanthsh qa ginei twra. Apo kei kai pera, prepei na antilhfqoyme oti ayth h kybernhsh ergazetai me ena sygkekrimeno tropo. Oti oi ypoyrgoi den phgainoyn ston Prwqypoyrgo mono se ejairetikes periptwseis, alla yparxei mia systhmatikh synergasia, mia systhmatikh symmetoxh toy Prwqypoyrgoy se synanthseis me ypoyrgoys. Synepws, menw se ayth thn apanthsh. Den yparxei tipote allo, peran aytoy poy lew.

SIDERHS: Na sas rwthsw kati;

PETALWTHS: Ti na sas pw; Ti qa syzhthsoyn; Sas eipa oti qa syzhthsoyn gia to Asfalistiko. Se liges hmeres qa yparxei kataqesh toy sxetikoy nomosxedioy. Ginetai syzhthsh kaqe hmera. Den mporw na katalabw ti akribws allo qelete.

MAKRYGIANNHS: H kybernhsh edwse sth dhmosia diaboyleysh, en pash periptwsei sth dhmosiothta, ena nomosxedio, to opoio eite kalws eite kakws to aporriptei h troika. Ayth einai h (den akoygetai)

PETALWTHS: Poios eipe oti to aporriptei;

MAKRYGIANNHS: Me thn epistolh poy esteile amfisbhtei basika shmeia, zhta na mpoyn alla shmeia eite einai mesa, eite einai ektos.

PETALWTHS: Kai epi ths epistolhs exoyme apanthsei. Exw apanthsei kai egw sygkekrimena oti yparxoyn symfwnhqenta mesa apo to mnhmonio. Kai menoyme sta symfwnhqenta.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Rwtaw, loipon, egw to ejhs, epeidh mpainoyn qemata, etsi kai alliws, kalws h kakws epanalambanw. ``Pagwnei'' h prowqhsh toy nomosxedioy mexri na ginei h synennohsh me thn troika; Na sas to qesw etsi.

PETALWTHS: Den ``pagwnei'' tipote kai ayto fainetai apo thn kaqhmerinh syzhthsh poy ginetai panw se ayto to nomosxedio.

SIDERHS: Ep` aytoy. Eipate oti eiste h monh kybernhsh poy to exete anoijei kai dwsate th diastash toy poso sobaroy ontws qematos einai. Exete thn aisqhsh oti o k. Loberdos exei thn idia gnwmh; Giati ependyse para poly sto qema toy Asfalistikoy gia na xtisei to filolaiko toy profil.

PETALWTHS: Otan exoyme na kanoyme me ena neo asfalistiko plaisio me to opoio allazoyn polla apo ayta poy gnwrizame mexri twra, pisteyw oti kai o armodios ypoyrgos einai aytos poy den ypologizei to politiko kostos kai proxwrei sthn oloklhrwsh aytoy toy nomosxedioy.

SIDERHS: To eipa ayto, epeidh einai koinh h ektimhsh pws to gegonos oti htan h symperifora toy ypoyrgoy h opoia epefere thn epistolh.

PETALWTHS: Den mporw na to antilhfqw. Egw gnwrizw ayto poy sas anaferw kai sas diabebaiwnw oti sto asfalistiko ginetai shmantikh kai epiponh doyleia, h opoia exei ferei se peras ena para poly megalo zhthma.

KOYSTALLH: Exei dhmioyrghqei h entypwsh oti h troika zhtaei ejtra pragmata. Omws, opoios diabasei to mnhmonio, ta pio basika apo ayta poy paroysiazontai twra ws epipleon metra, periexontai mesa sto mnhmonio. Opote qelw na rwthsw: H kybernhsh eixe safh eikona otan ypegrafe to mnhmonio, ti ypografei; Giati paroysiazetai kai mia eikona ekplhjhs ws pros ti mas zhta h troika.

PETALWTHS: Den paroysiazetai eikona ekplhjhs. Einai aytonohto oti h kybernhsh exei safh eikona.

ROYBINETHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh pisteyw oti to ypoyrgeio sas paizei megalo rolo, idiaitera aytes tis stigmes, sthn yposthrijh kai thn prowqhsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, qelw na epishmanw to ejhs: Exw pei kana dyo fores oti ta metra ths k. Katselh poy perimename me agwnia, oi mikromikroi poy ekproswpw egw sta MME. Kai twra hrqame, eixa egw o idios ypobalei mia erwthsh poy ths eipa ``kyria Katselh proxwreite me toys mhxanismoys ths Neas Dhmokratias kai aytoi poy einai me ton ``Teiresia'' den qa mporesoyn na kanoyn tipota kai qa paroyn ta idia kai me to TEMPE kai me to ESPA''. Moy eixe apanthsei, loipon, oti den qa kanoyme ayto emeis, qa proxwrhsoyme estw kai synergazomenoi, kanontas alloys mhxanismoys h kai qa symmetexoyme. Proxqes, bghke to TEMPE, phra ton k. Paparseno egw kai moy eipe oti den yparxoyn mhxanismoi kai qa akoloyqhqei h idia poreia. Nomizw oti qa einai plhgma gia thn kybernhsh an den lhfqei twra kapoio metro.

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh dinei poly megalh barythta ston anaptyjiako sxediasmo kai sthn ylopoihsh twn metrwn pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Giati einai aytonohto oti h anaptyjh einai aparaithth kai hdh exoyn dromologhqei diadikasies, hdh yparxei megalh aporrofhtikothta toy ESPA, hdh exei anoijei to TEMPE kai yparxoyn sygkekrimenoi stoxoi etsi wste sto telos ths xronias na mporoyme na milame gia megalh aporrofhtikothta, eidika sta koinotika programmata poy anaferate.

ROYBINETHS: Olo ``hdh kai hdh'' k. Ypoyrge, pali. Enw eixe pei oti qa kanei kapoio mhxanismo, symmetexei kai h kybernhsh, wste na paroyn kai kapoioi poy exoyn meinei apejw. Einai shmantiko ayto.

PETALWTHS: Exoyn teqei oles oi antikeimenikes proypoqeseis, etsi wste na yparxei kalyterh stoxeysh.

ROYBINETHS: Mesw twn trapezwn, dhladh. Giati etsi moy bgainei...

PETALWTHS: Yparxoyn kai alloi foreis kai mesw allwn forewn ylopoioyntai programmata. Mporw na sas promhqeysw ayrio ton sxetiko pinaka, ton opoio exw parei apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias.

SPANOY: Qewreite aytonohto oti h ajiologhsh poy qa ginei apo thn troika sto telos Ioynioy qa einai qetikh gia thn poreia twn esodwn kai twn dapanwn;

PETALWTHS: Aytonohto den yparxei tipota. Emeis, ayto poy gnwrizoyme einai oti h meiwsh toy elleimmatos exei yperbei toys stoxoys mas. Kai opws apanthsa kai xqes eimaste aisiodojoi kai gia ta esoda.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epeidh ek twn pragmatwn ginetai mia diapragmateysh, mia syzhthsh me thn troika gia to Asfalistiko. Me pasa eilikrineia kai realismo k. Ekproswpe, ti periqwria exei h ellhnikh kybernhsh na mh dexqei kapoies h oles, en pash periptwsei, parathrhseis kai odhgies poy qa kanei h troika sthn kybernhsh sxetika me to Asfalistiko.

PETALWTHS: Gnwrizoyme poly kala oti einai zhthma diapragmateyshs poy exei ginei mexri twra. To qema den einai ean antistekomaste h oxi. To qema einai oti exoyme logika epixeirhmata giati den mporoyme na poreyomaste me entypwseis. Qeloyme, sto telos, to asfalistiko nomosxedio poy qa prokycei na einai biwsimo, na einai oso to dynaton pio dikaio kai na eggyatai ta asfalistika dikaiwmata olwn twn ergazomenwn. Ayto einai to krithrio mas, o gnwmonas mas kai akribws ayta ta krithria qetoyme kai stis opoies diapragmateyseis ginontai me thn troika.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Den diafwnw. Etsi to pate kai prospaqeite ayto, me logika epixeirhmata na peisete gia orismena pragmata.

PETALWTHS: Akribws.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Me realismo, ti periqwria exei h ellhnikh kybernhsh ean h troika epimenei se orismena pragmata -poy den diafwneite- na ta aporricete ayta kai na mhn ta dexqeite.

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa. To periqwrio poy exei h ellhnikh kybernhsh einai ayto poy ths dinei h idia h pragmatikothta. Diapragmateyomaste olo ayto to diasthma me stoxo na yparxei asfalistiko systhma, me ta xarakthristika poy sas eipa prohgoymenws. Kai opoy exoyme dikio, nomizw oti den mporei na mas to arnhqei kaneis.

SEGKOS: Mporeite na mas peite ti diapragmateyeste; Giati, xqes, o ypoyrgos Ergasias eipe oti opoy yparxoyn ariqmoi sto mnhmonio, qa efarmostoyn aytoi oi ariqmoi.

PETALWTHS: H antifash poia einai;

SEGKOS: Tote, ti akribws diapragmateyeste me thn troika;

PETALWTHS: Me thn troika exei ginei mia diapragmateysh. Yparxei ena mnhmonio poy exei ypografei kai briskomaste sthn poreia kataqeshs toy asfalistikoy nomosxedioy.

SEGKOS: Qa efarmostei o,ti problepei to mnhmonio ep` akribws.

PETALWTHS: Akribws.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: H parapomph ths ypoqeshs Tsoxatzopoyloy sthn Epitroph Diafaneias einai enas emmesos tropos gia na teqei ektos PASOK;

PETALWTHS: Ean yphrxe tetoia boylhsh qa eixe teqei hdh ektos PASOK. Emeis, omws, den qeloyme na adikoyme kanenan kai malista stelexh toy PASOK poy exoyn sygkekrimenh istorikh poreia sto Kinhma alla kai syneisfora genika sth xwra. Dikaiosynh kai diafaneia pantoy, alla xwris anqrwpoqysies. Ayth einai h arxh mas. Kai gi` ayto akribws h ypoqesh toy A. Tsoxatzopoyloy exei parapemfqei sthn Epitroph Diafaneias me sygkekrimenh synqesh, gia na diakribwqei ean syntrexoyn tetoies proypoqeseis poy na mporei na parei allh troph.

MIXAHL: Qa anamenete kai ta apotelesmata ths eisaggelikhs prokatarktikhs ejetashs poy diataxqhke shmera gia ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo, etsi wste na katalhjete sto poia telika qa einai h stash toy PASOK kai ths kybernhshs apenanti toy;

PETALWTHS: Einai qema ths Epitrophs, h opoia einai h pleon armodia gia thn ypoqesh ayth.

MIXAHL: Kai kati allo: H Nea Dhmokratia amfisbhtei, enw diaforetikoi einai oi isxyrismoi twn boyleytwn toy PASOK, gia thn yparjh sthn Ejetastikh gia th Siemens toy perifhmoy e-mail gia katabolh 50% amoibhs se ypoyrgiko stelexos ths Neas Dhmokratias to 2008. Pws krinete th stash ths Neas Dhmokratias, to xeirismo poy kanei sto qema ayto;

PETALWTHS: Den thn krinw egw. Thn krinoyn ta melh ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs kai sto telos qa thn krinei o ellhnikos laos. Einai toylaxiston akomco na anaferqw egw se leptomereies syzhthsewn ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, otan akomh kai ayth th stigmh poy eimaste edw, h Ejetastikh Epitroph syzhta gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

Sas eyxaristw.

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