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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 19 Aprilioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 263006231

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 19 Aprilioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri kai kalh ebdomada.

Einai gnwsto se oloys oti h paroysa kybernhsh klhqhke na antimetwpisei katastaseis prwtofaneis kai prwtognwres poy omoies ths den exei biwsei h xwra apo th metapoliteysh kai meta. Se ayth thn krisimh stigmh, eqniko kaqhkon kai ypoxrewsh ths hgesias toy topoy, alla kai olwn mas, einai apokleistika kai monon h swthria ths xwras.

Ayth thn ypoxrewsh exoyme analabei ws kybernhsh kai eimaste apofasismenoi na th feroyme se peras, me gnwmona to dhmosio symferon kai thn proaspish twn dikaiwmatwn twn Ellhnwn politwn. Se ayth mas thn prospaqeia proxwroyme se oles ekeines tis aparaithtes energeies, xwris na ypologizoyme proswpiko kai politiko kostos.

Apodeiknyoyme kaqhmerina oti to politiko kostos den apotelei gia emas odhgo kai pyjida twn apofasewn mas. Dystyxws, an analogh antimetwpish edeixne kai h prohgoymenh kybernhsh, den qa eixame fqasei sigoyra mexri edw.

Einai pio epitaktikh anagkh apo pote, h anagkh na proxwrhsoyme shmera se oles ekeines tis tomes poy qa mas pane mprosta ws xwra kai poy se telikh analysh, apoteloyn kai apaithsh twn Ellhnwn politwn. Ayto prattoyme shmera. Badizoyme me gorga bhmata, se oles tis diarqrwtikes allages, se kratos kai oikonomia, kaqws kai sthn aparegklith efarmogh toy Programmatos Staqerothtas, Anaptyjhs kai Anasygkrothshs.

Monon etsi qa bgoyme apo thn paroysa katastash, monon etsi qa apokthsoyme, epiteloys, ena kratos anqrwpokentriko, me diafaneia kai ajiopistia, poy qa sebetai ton kopo kai tis qysies twn politwn toy.

Emeis, eimaste apofasismenoi na to petyxoyme. O ellhnikos laos mporei na to epityxei.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Pote qa prosfygoyme sto mhxanismo;

PETALWTHS: Emeis epiqymoyme na exoyme etoimo ena mhxanismo. Ena mhxanismo sthrijhs, ton opoio exei apofasisei stis 25 Martioy h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, oi xwres ths Eyrwzwnhs, etsi wste na zhthsoyme thn energopoihsh toy, otan kai efoson xreiastei.

SIDERHS: Pote;

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa.

ROYBINETHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei mia diaxyth gnwmh kai pepoiqhsh oti kapoia metra einai sklhra kai qa akyrwsoyn ta epiteygmata toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Eseis exete sfairikh eikona oloy aytoy. Mporeite na metabibasete kapoia mhnymata, ta opoia pisteyw oti qa einai poly shmantika, stoys armodioys ypoyrgoys;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, ayto poy kanoyme -opws anefera kai sthn eisagwgh- einai na paleyoyme kai na dinoyme th maxh mas mesa se poly sklhres kai antijoes synqhkes, se synqhkes poy exoyn na kanoyn me th swthria ths xwras. Ayto einai poy proexei shmera. Na swsoyme th xwra kai ayto kanoyme. Pragmatika, kapoia metra einai epwdyna gia toys Ellhnes polites kai malista, gi` aytes tis omades twn sympolitwn mas oi opoies den eftaijan se tipote gia th shmerinh krish. Omws, den exoyme thn polyteleia na phgainoyme pera-dwqe. H monh mas ypoxrewsh einai na efarmosoyme staqera metra kai apofaseis poy exoyn na kanoyn me th rizikh anadiarqrwsh toy kratoys kai ths oikonomias, prospaqwntas bebaiws na qijoyme, oso to dynaton ligotero, ton aplo Ellhna polith kai prospaqwntas na throyme thn arxh ths koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs se oles tis nomoqetikes prwtoboylies poy analambanoyme.

SPANOY: Efoson energopoihqei o mhxanismos, eite apo tis diaboyleyseis prin apo ayto, qewreite apiqano na teqei qema perikopwn misqwn ston idiwtiko tomea;

PETALWTHS: Ta metra kai tis apofaseis poy phrame gia to 2010, einai yper arketa. Einai metra kai apofaseis poy einai perissoteres apo aytes poy qa mas zhtoyse to DNT, alla kai oi alloi foreis oi opoioi apoteloyn to mhxanismo sthrijhs. Synepws, den tiqetai tetoio zhthma. Apo to 2011 kai 2012, qa ejeidikeyqoyn oi apofaseis kai ta metra, giati to trietes Programma Staqerothtas exei ejeidikeyqei mono gia to 2010. Alla, epanalambanw oti merimna kai melhma mas einai to dhmosio symferon kai h proaspish twn dikaiwmatwn toy aploy Ellhna polith.

LASKARATOS: H kybernhsh, ayth th stigmh, den einai se qesh na apokleisei kanena apo ayta ta sklhra metra poy diabazoyme stis efhmerides, gia to 2011 kai gia to 2012;

PETALWTHS: Ayta poy diabazoyme stis efhmerides h aytes oi fhmes poy diaxeontai, opws eipe kai o synadelfos sas, einai ayta poy akoyme edw kai poly megalo xroniko diasthma. Einai senaria. Den phgazoyn apo kamia bash alhqeias. Oi diapragmateyseis, oytws h allws kai oi syzhthseis, einai en ejelijei. Synepws, qa prepei na prosexoyme - kai edw einai xreos olwn mas- na mh dhmioyrgoyme asxhmh cyxologikh katastash stoys Ellhnes polites, giati ayto ephreazei kai thn kaqhmerinothta toys kai th maxh poy dinoyme kai ws Politeia, etsi wste na bgoyme apo ayth thn krish.

LASKARATOS: Ayto poy rwthsa, an moy epitrepete, einai an mporei na eggyhqei h kybernhsh oti kapoio apo ayta ta poly sklhra metra poy blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas, den qa lhfqei sta epomena xronia.

PETALWTHS: To na asxoloymaste kai na sxoliazoyme kaqe senario, to opoio blepoyme kaqhmerina na ``kykloforei'', einai kai atelesforo, alla den einai kai deontologiko. Emeis, opws eipa kai sthn arxh, xwris na ypologizoyme to proswpiko kai politiko kostos, kanoyme ta panta, etsi wste na swqei h xwra mas. Kai ayto, mexri stigmhs, to petyxainoyme. Kai apo ekei kai pera, ta metra kai tis apofaseis poy phrame, metra kai apofaseis poy den exoyn na kanoyn mono me thn epibolh apo kapoioys, prokeimenoy na mas daneisoyn, einai metra kai apofaseis gia na allajei h xwra. Kai ayto kanoyme, giati - qa ejhghsw kai qa dieykrinisw, gia allh mia fora- o daneismos den einai aytoskopos, einai ena mono meso gia na mporesoyme na perasoyme tis poly megales allages poy sxediazoyme gia th xwra mas.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Epeidh milhsate gia fhmes prin kai gia dhmosieymata, na sas qymisw oti osa metra katagrafontai stis efhmerides einai protaseis toy DNT kai protaseis poy exoyn ginei stoys kolpoys toy ECOFIN kai toy Eurogroup. Basei aytwn twn metrwn, qeloyme na mas apanthsete: Einai diateqeimenh h kybernhsh na proxwrhsei sth lhch tetoiwn metrwn, nai h oxi;

PETALWTHS: Kapoia apo ayta ta metra, ta opoia diaxeontai, pragmatika einai protaseis toy DNT, alla einai mono protaseis. Kai sas anefera oti den exei kleisei kamia syzhthsh. Apo thn allh meria, omws, sas eipa epishs oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei parei tetoia metra gia to 2010, poy einai yper arketa, se sxesh me ayta ta opoia akoyme.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs apenanti sthn protash toy Genikoy Dieyqynth toy DNT k. Stros-Kan oti gia thn Ellada, h monh lysh einai o apoplhqwrismos mesw ths meiwshs twn misqwn;

PETALWTHS: Emeis phrame ta metra kai tis apofaseis poy kriname oti kai apodotika, sto jeperasma ths krishs qa einai, alla kai den qigoyn oysiastika kai poly kaqoristika to eisodhma twn Ellhnwn politwn. Phrame metra kai apofaseis poy se alles epoxes den qa mporoysame na tis skefqoyme kai na staqoyn, giati politeyomaste, pairnoyme tis apofaseis mas, se katastash ektakths anagkhs kai eidikwn synqhkwn. Ayto, to antilambanetai o ellhnikos laos. Deixnei mia poly megalh wrimothta, gia na dexqei aytes tis apofaseis, giati gnwrizei oti stoxos ayths ths kybernhshs einai na jeperasoyme thn krish kai na mporesoyme na kanoyme tis megales kai baqies tomes sto kratos kai thn oikonomia.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Ton plhqwrismo ton aporriptete san lysh;

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti den mporoyme na syzhtame opoiadhpote lysh proteinetai. As meinoyme se ayta poy exoyme apofasisei mexri stigmhs.

STRATAKHS: Me dedomeno oti mas lete kai syxna-pykna epanalambanete oti ta metra ta opoia exoyme labei einai poly aysthrotera se orismenes periptwseis apo ayta poy endexomenws qa mas zhtoyse to DNT kai einai kai metra ta opoia exoyn ypoblhqei apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, tote ti allo mporei na syzhta h kybernhsh me to DNT; Exei mpei se alloys xwroys, toys opoioys emeis den exoyme stoxeysei; Gia paradeigma, milame dhmosionomika. Mhpws exei paei h syzhthsh me to DNT kai se alloys kladoys, opws ta anaptyjiaka nomosxedia poy prepei na prowqhqoyn;

PETALWTHS: H syzhthsh poy ginetai kai poy qa ginetai -giati gia toys gnwstoys logoys den egine h syzhthsh poy qa jekinoyse shmera- einai syzhthsh poy exei na kanei me thn epejergasia twn texnikwn orwn kai twn qematwn poy aforoyn se ola ayta poy syzhtoyme aytes tis hmeres: Ta dhmosionomika, to Asfalistiko. Ginontai protaseis, emeis leme tis dikes mas apoceis kai panw se ayta ta zhthmata syzhtame.

STRATAKHS: Den syzhtate, dhladh, pros alles kateyqynseis;

PETALWTHS: Se ayto poy eipate, eidika gia to anaptyjiako, einai proteraiothta mas kai apotelei qesh mas, to na exoyme sygkekrimenes epejergasmenes protaseis gia thn anaptyjh ths xwras. Mia seira apo apofaseis poy phrame kai mia seira apo apofaseis poy syzhtame kai qa teqoyn sth syzhthsh to amesws epomeno xroniko diasthma, einai aytes poy eggywntai thn anaptyjh ths xwras. Na sas ypenqymisw oti mesa ston Maio qa erqei o neos anaptyjiakos nomos poy qa dwsei megalyterh wqhsh. Opws, epishs, einai kai desmeysh mas oti h aporrofhtikothta toy ESPA, poy einai ena apo ta basikotera anaptyjiaka ergaleia, mesa sto 2010 prodiagrafetai na fqasei sto 15% apo 3% poy einai twra.

STRATAKHS: Qa hqela na to sygkekrimenopoihsw, afoy den mas apantate. Exei qesei qema idiwtikopoihsewn to DNT;

PETALWTHS: To DNT den exei qesei qema idiwtikopoihsewn. Qema, omws, apokratikopoihsewn qetoyme emeis, giati yparxei ena zhthma me tis apokratikopoihseis, tis opoies qa feroyme syntoma kai me ton kalytero tropo gia to dhmosio symferon.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh to DNT den qetei mono qema ston idiwtiko tomea, se o,ti afora tis meiwseis twn misqwn, alla kai o Oli Ren kai epeidh einai pio konta o Epitropos aytos, paroti den exei erqei sthn Aqhna, tote mporeite na mas peite ean yioqeteite tis apoceis toy, poy leei oti prepei na kopei o 13os kai o 14os misqos; Einai safestatos se ayto to qema.

PETALWTHS: Yparxoyn apoceis, yparxoyn protaseis. H ellhnikh kybernhsh, omws, epeidh den perimene twra, thn teleytaia stigmh, na parei tis apofaseis ths, alla se xrono poy htan o pio endedeigmenos exoyme parei apofaseis, etsi wste shmera na phgainoyme, ws qwrakismenh xwra stis diapragmateyseis gia ton eyrwpaiko mhxanismo sthrijhs, ston opoio symmetexei kai to DNT. Fqanoyn kai arkoyn oi apofaseis kai ta metra poy exoyme parei mexri twra.

SIDERHS: Ena apo ta basika stoixeia toy dioikhtikoy elleimmatos poy exei h kybernhsh aytoys toys eji mhnes htan kai to qema twn eforiwn. Apo tis 67 efories ths Attikhs, mono oi treis epiasan toys stoxoys. Oi ypeyqynoi twn eforiwn einai aytoys poy ebale, me mh ajiokratika krithria, h Nea Dhmokratia. Prwton, giati den toys exete allajei akomh; Deyteron, ti metra phrate - an phrate, poy den phrate- peiqarxika enantion toys poy den epiasan toys stoxoys; Ti metra qa parete;

PETALWTHS: Eseis rwtate kai apantate.

SIDERHS: Oxi, htan mia plhroforia oti den exei parqei kanena dioikhtiko metro enantion toys. Den qa apokocoyme kai tis plhrofories mas sthn erwthsh. Kai sas rwtw. H basikh erwthsh einai ti metra qa parete enantion toys. Giati to basiko problhma ths xwras einai h elleich esodwn.

PETALWTHS: Ena apo ta basika problhmata ths xwras einai h elleich esodwn. Ena problhma to opoio einai paqogenes kai gnwrizoyme para poly kala pws leitoyrgei kai pws leitoyrgoyse, eidikotera ta teleytaia eji xronia, to forologiko systhma ths xwras kai idiws to foroeispraktiko systhma. Na sas ypenqymisw oti h Nea Dhmokratia hrqe sthn ejoysia to 2004, proanaggellontas kai yposxomenh oti qa katarghsei to SDOE, prokeimenoy na ejyphrethsei sygkekrimena symferonta. Etsi kathrghse kaqe foroeispraktiko mhxanismo. Emeis, eimaste sth diadikasia na epanadiapragmateyqoyme kai na dhmioyrghsoyme kainoyrgioys foroeispraktikoys mhxanismoys. Kai ayto, qa to kanoyme sto syntomotero xroniko diasthma. Apo ekei kai pera, den afhsame kaqoloy ta esoda, ta opoia symfwnoyme oti einai anagkaia gia na askhqei h deoysa koinwnikh kai oikonomikh politikh mas. Ayto kanoyme. Osoi dieyqyntes twn D.O.Y. den ftanoyn gia antikeimenikoys logoys, toys stoxoys toys, hdh elegxontai. Kai ayto ginetai apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn. Bebaiws, emeis den qa fqaname sto shmeio na allajoyme toys proistamenoys twn D.O.Y. epeidh toys ebale h Nea Dhmokratia, alla dhmioyrgoyme ena qesmiko plaisio, to opoio qa meinei ws parakataqhkh sto ellhniko Dhmosio, prokeimenoy na stelexwqoyn oi dhmosies oikonomikes yphresies me toys kalyteroys dhmosioys ypallhloys - eidika se epipedo proistamenwn- etsi wste na stamathsoyn oi paqogeneies toy parelqontos.

SIDERHS: Eipate oti qa allajete aytoys toys mhxanismoys. Qa kanete...

PETALWTHS: Hdh, toys allazoyme.

SIDERHS: Toys allazete, hdh.

MPOTWNHS: Epeidh den mas lete pote qa energopoihqei o mhxanismos, mhpws mporeite na mas peite pote qa ginei anasxhmatismos, epeidh diabazoyme gia to telos Maioy kai exoyme kai proswpa tis teleytaies hmeres.

PETALWTHS: Oxi mono tis teleytaies hmeres. Edw kai arketa megalo xroniko diasthma akoyme kai diabazoyme gia ton anasxhmatismo. Epitrecte moy na pw: Se doyleia na briskomaste. Den yparxei oyte ena sygkekrimeno antikeimeniko stoixeio poy na kateyqynei se anasxhmatismo, alla kapoioi areskontai na miloyn gia anasxhmatismo, giati metaferoyn kai orejeis kapoiwn na symmetexoyn sthn ejoysia.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Protiqetai h kybernhsh na proxwrhsei sthn efarmogh twn metrwn toy neoy Asfalistikoy apo to 2013, anti gia to 2018 poy eixe arxika programmatistei;

PETALWTHS: To asfalistiko, opws gnwrizoyme, einai se ejelijh. Oi syzhthseis poy ginontai einai se ejelijh. Efoson yparjoyn oi apofaseis, qa anakoinwqoyn. Emeis emmenoyme se ayta poy exoyme pei apo thn arxh, prospaqwntas na dhmioyrghsoyme ena asfalistiko systhma, to opoio qa einai biwsimo, qa diasfalizei tis paroyses syntajeis, alla kai thn allhleggyh twn genewn. Kai ayto qa to kanoyme me oses dyskolies kai an antimetwpizoyme.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Dhladh, mporeite na to ferete kai pente xronia nwritera. Ayto moy lete twra. Den to apokleiete.

PETALWTHS: Den qa mpw shmera sth diadikasia na apokleiw tipote h na dinw piqanothtes. Sas lew oti emeis emmenoyme se ayta poy exoyme pei ston ellhniko lao edw kai megalo xroniko diasthma.

SIDERHS: Kataggelqhke oti kanate mia hmerida me meionotika fylla kai ekei den kalesate ton ekproswpo ths efhmeridas twn Pomakwn. Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean alhqeyei kai an alhqeyei, giati;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den egine kamia hmerida me meionotika fylla. Egine mia hmerida kai qa akoloyqhsoyn kai alles, sto plaisio enos programmatos twn synadelfwn sas apo ton perifereiako Typo. Den apokleisame kanenan. Isa-isa, h symmetoxh htan para poly megalh kai ta apotelesmata qa anakoinwqoyn. Omws, teqhkan kapoia krithria, etsi wste na kaloyntai oi efhmerides oi opoies plhroyn sygkekrimenes proypoqeseis. Apo kei kai pera, ean kapoioi kanoyn kataggelies gia dikoys toys kai idioteleis logoys, ofeiloyn na tis apodeijoyn.

STRATAKHS: O k. Samaras sas egkalei kai pali. Eipe oti h krish einai proion toy PASOK kai oti eseis eyqyneste gia thn krish, nai men yphrxan problhmata, alla h kybernhsh toy PASOK eyqynetai gia thn krish kai thn katastash poy epikratei sthn ellhnikh oikonomia shmera. Ti exete na peite;

PETALWTHS: O nown noeitw. O k. Samaras kai h Nea Dhmokratia as mhn ypotimoyn th nohmosynh toy Ellhna polith. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti stis prosfates ekloges h Nea Dhmokratia paredwse, sthn kyriolejia, th xwra sto shmeio ths xrewkopias. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala ypo poies synqhkes apedrase h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, melos ths opoias fysika htan kai o k. Samaras. Emeis perimenoyme akomh na yparxei mia qetikh, mia epoikodomhtikh antipoliteysh, eidika apo to xwro ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Perimenoyme akomh tis protaseis ths Neas Dhmokratias, oi opoies, an kai fainontai polles ston ariqmo, 23 an qymamai kala, den periexoyn tipote kainoyrgio. Antiqeta, epanalambanoyn kapoies protaseis kai apoceis toy PASOK. Alla apo kei kai pera, perimenoyme kai mia symperifora poy qa deixnei oti stoixeiwdws h Nea Dhmokratia katanohse giati exase kai malista otan qa eprepe na zhtaei sygnwmh apo ton ellhniko lao gia thn katastash sthn opoia mas odhghse.

LASKARATOS: Anafereste stis eyqynes ths Neas Dhmokratias kai oi teleytaies dhmoskophseis poy kykloforhsan ws pepoiqhsh kai ths koinhs gnwmhs, alla deixnoyn epishs mia oloena ayjanomenh tash ths koinwnias na qewrei oti kai h kybernhsh toy PASOK den exei leitoyrghsei opws eprepe. Den exei kanei osa qa eprepe kai den kineitai panta pros th swsth kateyqynsh.

PETALWTHS: Emeis, kanoyme apotimhsh kai toy dikoy mas ergoy. Kanoyme ayth thn apotimhsh kaqhmerina, giati den exei teleiwsei to ergo mas ws pros th diaxeirish ayths ths oikonomikhs krishs. Kai mesa se ayth th diaxeirish prospaqoyme -kai apo o,ti fainetai petyxainoyme- na kanoyme to kalytero dynato. As mhn jexname oti to prwto melhma mas htan na mporoyme stoixeiwdws na stekomaste ws xwra sto eyrwpaiko kai to pagkosmio sterewma. Se politiko epipedo, h kybernhsh prospaqhse prwta ap` ola na anakthsei h xwra thn ajiopistia ths. Kai ayto to kataferame. Apo kei kai pera, yparxoyn astaqmhtoi paragontes, opws einai oi agores, h egxwria, alla kai h dieqnhs oikonomikh krish, basei ths opoias prosarmozoyme kai thn politikh mas. Emeis, dinoyme kaqhmerina enan poly megalo agwna. Dinoyme kaqhmerina ejetaseis ston ellhniko lao. Pepoiqhsh mas einai oti proxwrame me ton kalytero tropo, gnwrizontas oti exoyme na kanoyme me poly dyskoles katastaseis. Fysika, den eimaste aiqerobamones. Patame sto edafos kai opoy prepei kanoyme thn kritikh mas.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, afoy elegxete thn katastash, giati o Prwqypoyrgos - kai nomizw kai eseis, alla as anaferqoyme ston Prwqypoyrgo - noiwqei thn anagkh na epanalambanei diarkws oti h xwra den qa xreokophsei;

PETALWTHS: Giati einai mia pragmatikothta oti h xwra den qa xreokophsei. Mia pragmatikothta, h opoia mesa apo thn perirreoysa atmosfaira, polles fores amfisbhteitai kai malista me sygkekrimena apotelesmata. Emeis ws ellhnikh kybernhsh kanoyme to kaqhkon mas. Mporesame kai anatajame to klima ths anajiopistias kai prospaqoyme na antistrecoyme to poly dysaresto klima sthn ellhnikh oikonomia. Eimaste, omws, pepeismenoi oti hdh balame tis baseis. Exoyme th sthrijh toy ellhnikoy laoy se ena poly megalo pososto. Kai eimaste, bebaiws, akomh pio pepeismenoi oti h xwra mas den qa xreokophsei. Yparxoyn ekeines oi proypoqeseis, etsi wste me thn swsth leitoyrgia ths kybernhshs kai ths Politeias, se liga xronia -se kapoio xroniko diasthma- na exei jeperastei h krish kai na mporoyme na proxwrhsoyme akomh perissotero. Ayto einai to xreos mas kai h pepoiqhsh mas einai safhs: Oti exoyme oles tis dynatothtes na pame mprosta.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ean xreiastei na energopoihsoyme kai apo oti fainetai, telos pantwn, qa energopoihsoyme ayto ton mhxanismo sthrijhs, den einai san na exoyme ftasei sto xeilos ths xreokopias kai na mhn mporoyme na thn apotrecoyme monoi mas, para mono me to DNT, to opoio hdh einai edw, opws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos;

PETALWTHS: H prosfygh ston eyrwpaiko mhxanismo sthrijhs kai to aithma pros energopoihsh otan ginei kai an ginei fysika, den shmainei xreokopia. Shmainei oti prospaqhsame kai dhmioyrghsame -kai h prospaqeia ayth ofeiletai kata kyrio logo sthn Ellada- ena mhxanismo sthrijhs ths idias ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, me symmetoxh toy Dieqnoys Nomismatikoy Tameioy, o opoios qa apotrepei tis xeiroteres synqhkes daneismoy. Einai diaforetiko to na leme oti prosfeygoyme se ena mhxanismo sthrijhs, o opoios dhmioyrgei kalyteres synqhkes daneismoy kai teleiws diaforetiko kai kamia sxesh den exei h xreokopia me thn prosfygh kai thn energopoihsh enos tetoioy mhxanismoy. Xreokopia qa eixame ean den prosfeygame, ean den katafername na dhmioyrghsei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh ena tetoio mhxanismo sthrijhs. Ekei, oi piqanothtes xreokopias htan poly megales. Kai otan paralabame prin eji mhnes th diakybernhsh ths xwras, aytes oi proypoqeseis htan, sxedon, safeis, tis opoies, bebaia, anakalyptame siga - siga, dystyxws.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epeidh, lete diarkws - to eipate shmera kana - dyo fores, dhladh - an qa prosfygoyme, lete, ston mhxanismo, dhladh h kybernhsh syzhta to endexomeno na mhn prosfygei sto mhxanismo kai na paei stis eleyqeres agores kai na daneistei, gia paradeigma, me shmerinoys oroys, me ena epitokio gyrw sto 8% opws katagrafetai shmera;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh prospaqei mesa apo poly synetes kinhseis kai me poly megalh diereynhsh twn oikonomikwn synqhkwn se dieqnes epipedo kaqe mera, na kataferoyme na daneistoyme me ton kalytero tropo gia ton ellhniko lao. Kai ayto qa to kanoyme mesa eite apo to mhxanismo, o opoios dhmioyrghqhke h ektos mhxanismoy. Otan einai na daneistoyme, otan einai na energopoihqei aytos o mhxanismos, qa ejetasoyme kai oles tis proypoqeseis.

MPOTWNHS: Exete kapoio sxolio gia thn eklogh toy k. Erogloy sta Katexomena, epeidh yparxoyn kapoies fwnes poy lene oti to Kypriako, pleon, mpainei sto ``rafi''.

PETALWTHS: Prin apo liges hmeres h ellhnikh kybernhsh, o Prwqypoyrgos, pragmatopoihse episkech sthn Kypro, opoy syzhthse me thn politikh kai politeiakh hgesia. Ayto poy qeloyme einai na synexistei h diadikasia twn diapragmateysewn, etsi opws orizetai mesa apo tis apofaseis toy OHE kai bebaiws melhma mas einai na mhn stamathsoyn aytes oi diapragmateyseis, giati exoyme ena teliko skopo. H kypriakh Dhmokratia, hdh exei qesei to plaisio mias dizwnikhs, dikoinotikhs omospondias me mia eniaia dieqnh proswpikothta, mia iqageneia. Kai aytes oi proypoqeseis qa prepei na thrhqoyn kai stis nees diapragmateyseis. Ayto einai pros to symferon oloy toy kypriakoy laoy, einai pros to symferon ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias kai twn dyo koinothtwn. Oi legomenes ekloges -giati aytes oi ekloges den einai ekloges enos nomimoy kratoys- ston toyrkokypriako tomea qa prepei na einai symbates me ayto to aithma toy kypriakoy laoy.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h egkyrh Ispanikh efhmerida ``EL PAIS'' egrace gia paradoxh toy k. Papakwnstantinoy, oti ekane laqos poy den phre nwritera metra. To sxolio sas;

PETALWTHS: Rhta kai kathgorhmatika, sas lew oti o k. Papakwnstantinoy pote den edwse synenteyjh se ayth thn egkyrh Ispanikh efhmerida. Synepws, einai kriseis ths syntaktrias, xwris na tis exei ekferei o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn.

SABARIKA: Ayto to nefos, genikws, pws exei kaqysterhsei th kybernhsh na parei tis apofaseis ths, oson afora to DNT kai thn eyrwpaikh sthrijh;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kaqysterhsh stis apofaseis. Yparxei kaqysterhsh sthn eleysh toy klimakioy, to opoio exei parei mia anabolh gia thn Tetarth, gia meqayrio. Elpizoyme ayto to fysiko fainomeno, to opoio empodizei tis aerometafores, na mhn empodisei thn peraiterw diapragmateysh. Alla, eytyxws, ta sygxrona epikoinwniaka mesa einai toso ejeligmena, poy mporei kai h fysikh paroysia na antikatastaqei me mia thlepikoinwniakh paroysia. Pros to paron, omws, exei anablhqei h eleysh kai h syzhthsh gia thn erxomenh Tetarth.

SABARIKA: Fobosaste oti ayth h kaqysterhsh qa exei kai kapoio plhgma stis agores, na mhn sas bohqhsei kaqoloy;

PETALWTHS: Elpizoyme h kaqysterhsh ayth na mhn exei epiptwsh stis agores. Emeis parakoloyqoyme kai eimaste edw ws kybernhsh gia na ta ejetazoyme.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge yparxei qema me to boyleyth toy PASOK k. Mantatzh, o opoios proklhtika phge kai chfise se ena swmateio, to opoio einai paranomo, me thn endeijh Toyrkikh Enwsh Janqhs, an qymamai kala kai o opoios exei prokalesei kai sto prosfato parelqon;

PETALWTHS: Ekei yparxei ena zhthma, to opoio den afora ston boyleyth k. Mantatzh. Einai ena zhthma anagnwrishs h mh enos swmateioy kai hdh brisketai se dikastikh diadikasia.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Protiqetai h kybernhsh na ayjhsei perissotero ta oria syntajiodothshs; Giati yparxoyn shmera dhmosieymata oti qa paei sta 67 xronia.

PETALWTHS: Ayta ta dhmosieymata, aforoyn profanws, protaseis toy DNT, an den kanw laqos. Emeis omws leme kai pisteyoyme oti to na ayjhsoyme dyo xronia apo 65 se 67 to orio syntajiodothshs den prosferei tipota. Ekeino poy prosferei, omws, kai einai stis dikes mas probleceis gia to neo asfalistiko, einai h ayjhsh toy mesoy oroy hlikias kata dyo xronia, apo ta ejhnta enamish se dyo epipleon xronia. Ayto einai poy prosferei. Emeis qeloyme na entajoyme sto neo Asfalistiko ekeinoys toys oroys poy pragmatika qa prosferoyne se ena kalytero asfalistiko systhma, xwris na epibarynontai oi asfalismenoi, apo kaqe apoch.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Yparxei qema epanadiapragmateyshs toy xreoys ths xwras kai epistrofh sth draxmh;

PETALWTHS: Den tiqetai tetoio zhthma.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Oi apokratikopoihseis, poy eipate prohgoymenws, qa syndyastoyn kai me apolyseis stis epixeirhseis poy qa apokratikopoihsei h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Oi apokratikopoihseis gia tis opoies kapoioi mas kathgoroyn gia kaqysterhsh, qa ginoyn me ton pleon endedeigmeno tropo. Qa yparxei h katallhlh epejergasia, etsi wste h apokratikopoihsh na exei ta kalytera apotelesmata gia to dhmosio symferon. Qa yparxei merimna, fysika, kai gia ta ergasiaka dikaiwmata, oswn ergazomenwn apasxoloyntai ekei.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Den apokleiete, omws, na yparjoyn apolyseis;

PETALWTHS: Egw den mporw na mpw se ayth th syzhthsh: apokleiw h den apokleiw. Sas eipa poios einai o genikos gnwmonas kai o genikos kanonas ths kybernhshs kai den mporoyme na syzhthsoyme, sygkekrimena, otan malista, akomh, den exei apofasistei poies apokratikopoihseis qa ginoyn, ara na mporoyme na milame kai pio sygkekrimena gia ergasiako periballon.

POLYMEROS: Ton Maio h kybernhsh qa bgei stis agores na zhthsei xrhmata, peri ta ennea dis eyrw. Pisteyete oti qa einai eykolh h ejeyresh aytwn twn xrhmatwn; Dhladh, oi agores qa dwsoyn xrhmata sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh, sto ellhniko kratos h qa exoyme kapoio problhma poy qa mas odhghsei anapofeykta sthn energopoihsh toy mhxanismoy sthrijhs;

PETALWTHS: Epeidh oi synqhkes ths agoras allazoyn mera me th mera kai oi apofaseis ths kybernhshs qa einai analoges.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Gi` ayto k. Ekproswpe, na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Exei allajei tipote sto sxediasmo ths kybernhshs, dhladh, qa pate se ``dollariako'' daneio kai epishs me dekaeth omologa h skefteste na pate me trimhna h ejamhna, wste na pate pros to telos toy xronoy, meta sthn anaxrhmatodothsh toy xreoys me enan tropo poy endexomenws na einai kalyteros sto telos toy xronoy;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh eixe milhsei gia omologiako ``dollariako'' daneio. To qema einai oti, otan kai an krinoyme skopimo na ginei kati tetoio, qa ginei. To na syzhtame twra sto pws qa daneistoyme, nomizw, oti den einai kai to deon.

Sas eyxaristw.

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