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Tetarth, 17 Martioy 2010

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 17 Martioy 2010

JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

H kybernhsh, me tis prwtoboylies poy exei labei se eswteriko alla kai eyrwpaiko kai dieqnes epipedo, exei xarajei, me sobarothta kai ypeyqynothta, to dromo gia na epityxei to stoxo ths meiwshs toy elleimmatos kai na bgei h xwra apo thn krish.

Oi prwtoboylies aytes ths kybernhshs aposkopoyn sthn apostolh enos jekaqaroy mhnymatos pros oles tis kateyqynseis oti h Ellada gyrizei selida: Oti h Ellada einai pleon mia xwra ajiopisth poy threi tis desmeyseis ths enanti olwn kai oti exoyn oristika egkataleifqei praktikes toy prosfatoy parelqontos, oi opoies allwste mas dhmioyrghsan to terastio elleimma ajiopistias poy oloi shmera biwnoyme kai plhrwnoyme, sth morfh twn ychlwn spreads.

Ayto synagetai apo ta symperasmata sta opoia katelhjan oi ypoyrgoi Oikonomikwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Einai pleon koinh aisqhsh stoys kolpoys ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs oti h Ellada epraje ayta poy eprepe na prajei gia na epityxei toys stoxoys ths. Toys stoxoys ths meiwshs toy elleimmatos kata 4% to 2010 kai stadiaka na fqasei ton teliko ths stoxo. Endeiktika, qa hqela na anaferw, pws to elleimma ths kentrikhs kybernhshs sto prwto dimhno toy 2010, htan 1 disekatommyrio eyrw, enanti 4 disekatommyriwn eyrw poy htan to antistoixo toy 2009.

Parallhla, omws, h kybernhsh kai o idios Prwqypoyrgos, o Giwrgos Papandreoy, qetoyn dynamika to ejairetika shmantiko zhthma ths peraiterw enisxyshs ths oikonomikhs diakybernhshs se eyrwpaiko epipedo.

Katadeiknyoyme, loipon, thn anagkh na diamorfwqoyn se epipedo Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs pia, oi mhxanismoi ekeinoi oi opoioi qa kalyptoyn oysiastika ayto to qesmiko keno se periptwseis paromoias krishs me aythn ths xwras mas. Se ayto to epipedo hdh oi ypoyrgoi Oikonomikwn symfwnhsan, xqes, sth dhmioyrgia enos mhxanismoy sthrijhs twn xwrwn poy antimetwpizoyn tetoia problhmata.

H Ellada proxwra, h xwra mas proxwra. Lambanoyme oles tis apofaseis gia th biwsimothta ths oikonomias mas, enw parallhla proxwrame se anamorfwsh toy forologikoy plaisioy ths xwras mas, se dikaioteres kai analogikoteres baseis, qetontas sto mikroskopio th mastiga ths forodiafyghs poy pragmatika adikei toys entimoys polites.

Parallhla, enteinetai h prospaqeia mas gia thn enisxysh ths anaptyjhs kai ths tonwshs ths agoras kai ths epixeirhmatikothtas, mesw ths aploysteyshs kai ths apokentrwshs toy ESPA, etsi wste na apeleyqerwqoyn kai poroi.

Telos, sto metwpo toy Asfalistikoy, oloklhrwqhke xqes enas pragmatika anoixtos kai oysiastikos koinwnikos dialogos, me thn paradosh toy porismatos ths epitrophs eidikwn. H nea asfalistikh metarryqmish poy prowqei h kybernhsh, se morfh nomosxedioy, qa katateqei meta to Pasxa kai qa teqei se chfoforia ews ta mesa Maioy sth Boylh.

Na shmeiwsw, epishs, oti apo xqes efarmozetai pilotika, h hlektronikh syntagografhsh farmakwn sto IKA, sthn perioxh ths Lamias kai ths Larisas, me stoxo na epektaqei se olo to IKA mexri thn 1h Maioy kai meta se ola ta ypoloipa asfalistika tameia.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epi aytwn poy eipate, an shmeiwsa kala, eipate oti einai koinh h aisqhsh stoys kolpoys ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs oti briskomaste sto swsto dromo, swsta metra klp. Mporeite ligo na moy to epejhghsete ayto to ``koinh aisqhsh stoys kolpoys ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs'';

PETALWTHS: Emeis, ws gnwston, desmeythkame kai ylopoioyme hdh to Programma Staqerothtas kai Anaptyjhs, to opoio exei hdh egkrinei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Hdh, oi teleytaies apofaseis poy elabe h kybernhsh, exoyn teqei ypoch ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai apo pantoy pairnoyme mhnymata, oti ta metra kai oi apofaseis poy phrame, einai pros thn kateyqynsh ths epiteyjhs twn stoxwn mas: Na meiwqei to elleimma kai na yparxei mia dhmosionomikh ejygiansh.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, molis prin apo ena lepto milhsate gia ena dikaiotero forologiko nomosxedio poy qa xtypa th mastiga ths forodiafyghs. Qelw na sas rwthsw, an to dikaio forologiko nomosxedio ths kybernhshs, ejantleitai sto tekmhrio gia ta aytokinhta 1000 kybikwn, sthn katarghsh ths apallaghs tokwn apo daneia prwths katoikias, sthn paratash kai ejairesh kladwn poy mexri prin apo ligo kairo legate oti einai esties makroxronias forodiafyghs h exete kai alla dikaia metra;

PETALWTHS: Se poioys kladoys anafereste;

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Taji, benzinadika, ola ayta sta opoia dinete paratash se o,ti afora na koboyn apodeijeis...

PETALWTHS: Isa-isa ekei den ejairoyme. To forologiko nomosxedio afoy dhmosieyqei qa ejeidikeyqei. Milame gia tameiakes mhxanes apo fetos kai ayto einai jekaqaro. Apo ekei kai pera, anaferate liga stoixeia mono...

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Miso lepto, sas diakoptw. Gi` ayta ta liga stoixeia, h kybernhsh ta qewrei dikaia;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh qetei ena sygkekrimeno plaisio, ena plegma forologikwn metrwn poy exoyn mia genikoterh kateyqynsh, thn kateyqynsh ths koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs. To na apomonwnoyme kapoia stoixeia, nomizw oti adikei to forologiko systhma. H erwthsh sas bebaia einai sebasth kai eylogh. Apo ekei kai pera omws, emeis kinoymaste me genikes kateyqynthries grammes. Ylopoioyme mesa apo to forologiko nomosxedio systhmata kai plaisio leitoyrgias mhxanismwn, oi opoioi qa diastayrwnoyn ana pasa stigmh, qa sygkentrwnoyn ta perioysiaka stoixeia me to ``perioysiologio'', etsi wste kaneis pleon na mh zei mia polytelh zwh kai na dhlwnei elaxista eisodhmata. Exoyme skopo kai stoxo na plhrwsoyn aytoi poy prepei kapote na plhrwsoyn. Pisteyw oti h koinwnikh dikaiosynh ylopoieitai me ton kalytero tropo. Oson afora de, se sygkekrimena shmeia toy forologikoy nomosxedioy, as mhn jexname oti erxetai ena forologiko nomosxedio se mia poly dyskolh, isws apo tis dyskoloteres oikonomikes sygkyries ths xwras mas. Par` ola ayta, emeis exoyme tis stoxeyseis mas kai mesa apo ayto to forologiko nomosxedio, epitygxanetai koinwnikh dikaiosynh se poly megalo baqmo.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite. Ti nohma exei h ejairesh, oxi gia benzinades kai tajitzhdes, giati me tajitzhdes mporoyme na to syzhthsoyme, h anabolh na plhrwnoyn FPA oi giatroi, oi dikhgoroi, enas oloklhros klados poy qa pane apo to 2011, ara qa plhrwsoyn apo to 2012;

PETALWTHS: Ekei yparxei mia syzhthsh se nomiko epipedo. Opws einai gnwsto, yparxoyn koinotikes odhgies, yparxei mia koinotikh nomoqesia gia to poy prepei kai mporei na epiblhqei FPA kai xwris na qelw na anaferqw se leptomereies, oi periptwseis poy anaferate entassontai se nomikhs amfisbhthshs periptwseis. Boylhsh mas einai oles oi periptwseis kai eidika epaggelmatiwn, oi opoioi den dhlwnoyn ta eisodhmata toys kai den kataballoyn toys foroys poy prepei na kataballontai, na pataxqei h forodiafygh kai epiteloys, opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, na plhrwsoyn kai aytoi poy prepei na plhrwsoyn. Alla yparxoyn nomika zhthmata, ta opoia den mporoyme na jeperasoyme toso eykola.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Dhladh, ean den jeperastoyn ayta ta problhmata, oi dikhgoroi kai oi giatroi pali qa ejakoloyqoyn na mhn plhrwnoyn.

PETALWTHS: Oxi. Prwta ap` ola, milame se poly prwimo stadio gia to forologiko nomosxedio. Den egine kan h prwth anagnwsh sthn armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs. As perimenoyme na dhmosiopoihqei, na ginei h syzhthsh stis dyo Epitropes ths Boylhs, sthn Olomeleia kai ekei qa doyme pragmatika poy kai pws mporoyme na to beltiwsoyme, ean xreiazetai beltiwsh kati kai kyriws se ayta poy rwtate na yparxei mia ejhghsh me bash th nomimothta.

PETOYRH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mas xwrizoyn mono oktw hmeres apo thn krisimh Synodo Koryfhs gia th xwra mas kai akomh den einai safes ean qa yparjei sygkekrimenh oikonomikh sthrijh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Ws ek toytoy, mporeite na ektimhsete ean briskomaste pio konta sto dromo gia to DNT h pros thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh;

PETALWTHS: Epeidh akribws einai liges oi hmeres mexri th Synodo Koryfhs stis 25 kai 26 Martioy stis Bryjelles, gi` ayto akribws to logo, ayth th stigmh, den mporoyme na poyme tipote ws pros to DNT, to opoio to anaferoyme ws mia apo tis dynatothtes poy exoyme. Einai gnwsto oti sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh ginontai sklhres diapragmateyseis. Einai gnwsto oti yparxoyn isorropies oi opoies throyntai. Kai ayth th stigmh, h ellhnikh kybernhsh epitelei ena sobaro kaqhkon, etsi wste na peisei toys Eyrwpaioys etairoys oti mia politikh sthrijh, opws ayth poy zhtame, me ton pio entono tropo, einai ayth poy qa bohqhsei thn ellhnikh oikonomia, alla kai thn eyrwzwnh genikotera.

PETOYRH: Mia symplhrwmatikh ep` aytoy. Koryfaio stelexos ths kybernhshs, xqes, ekfrazontas bebaiws proswpikh ektimhsh, apedide 70% piqanothtes h Ellada telikws na prosfygei sto DNT amesws molis xreiastei na janadaneistei. Exoyme mia ektimhsh apo thn pleyra sas;

PETALWTHS: Anafereste sthn anakoinwsh poy ejedwse to grafeio Typoy toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias, opoy h k. Katselh, metajy allwn, anaferei oti pisteyei sthn apofasistikothta sthrijhs toy Programmatos Staqerothtas kai Anaptyjhs kai sth bebaiothta ths oti qa ylopoihqoyn oi stoxoi kai oti den yparxei kamia diastash sto oikonomiko epiteleio. Kai bebaiws, h apoch ths kybernhshs einai syllogikh, einai sysswmh: Apo tote poy arxise h ylopoihsh toy Programmatos Staqerothtas kai Anaptyjhs h oikonomia mas badizei se ena poly kalo dromo kai bebaia to DNT einai mia aplh dynatothta kai mono.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, otan apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh diatypwnetai h apoch -kai epishmws dhladh- pws bohqeia sthn Ellada prepei na doqei monon an dhlwsei xrewkopia h fqasei sth xrewkopia, ayto posa periqwria aisiodojias afhnei sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh gia ton eyrwpaiko dromo sthn antimetwpish toy oikonomikoy problhmatos;

PETALWTHS: Emeis aisiodojoyme oti h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh qa antilhfqei to sobaro rolo poy exei eidika se aytes tis krisimes stigmes. Aisiodojoyme oti ayto poy onomazoyme ``koinotikh allhleggyh'' den einai aplws mia qewrhtikh arxh poy exei jexastei apo toys Eyrwpaioys etairoys. Kai ayto den exei na kanei mono me th shmerinh qesh ths Elladas, alla se ena pagkosmio gignesqai opoy h oikonomia exei polla skampanebasmata kai megalh reystothta sth leitoyrgia qesmikwn kai ejwqesmikwn mhxanismwn. Pisteyoyme oti qa prepei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh na dei to rolo ths me poly sobarothta. Kai h prwth apodeijh qa einai sthn periptwsh ths Elladas.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Wstoso k. Ekproswpe, na synexizw ep` aytoy, otan exete labei ola ayta ta sklhra metra, pera apo to Programma Staqerothtas, kai para tayta stoys kolpoys ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai malista apo th megalyterh xwra kai me ton pio apofasistiko rolo sthn olh ayth diadikasia, ekfrazontai tetoies apoceis, ti eidoys politikh sthrijh einai ayth kai giati na eklaboyn ayto to mhnyma ws politikh sthrijh, en pash periptwsei, oi dieqneis agores kai na meiwsoyn ta epitokia;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, gi` ayto zhtame mia safh, jekaqarh kai rhth politikh sthrijh. Apo ekei kai pera, ayto poy anaferate htan mia dhlwsh mesa apo tis dekades dhlwseis poy diabazoyme kaqe hmera apo diafores xwres. Gi` ayto sto pedio ths diapragmateyshs, etsi opws ejelissetai kai sto Eurogroup kai sto ECOFIN aytes tis hmeres, alla kai sth Synodo Koryfhs, ekei pragmatika qa kriqei h sobarh, ypeyqynh kai apofasistikh qesh kaqe xwras, me synepeies kai pros to mellon ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, bebaia.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h politikh sthrijh exei ekfrastei kai apo thn k. Merkel kai apo ton k. Sarkozi kai sthn prohgoymenh Synodo. Oikonomika, ti zhtame; Giati h politikh sthrijh, profanws kai den fqanei, den exei fqasei mexri twra gia na meiwqoyn ta spreads. Oikonomika, exoyme kapoio aithma; Ayto poy leei kai o k. Soimple, dhladh stis dhlwseis poy ekane.

PETALWTHS: Oikonomiko aithma exoyme otan qa zhthsoyme na daneistoyme. Ayth th stigmh den exoyme oikonomiko aithma. Alla, h politikh sthrijh exei polla periqwria -opws anefere kai o synadelfos sas prohgoymenws- na ekfrastei me ton pio jekaqaro tropo. Tetoion poy na mhn epidexetai amfisbhthshs oti h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh antimetwpizei thn Ellada ws mia xwra toy sklhroy pyrhna ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, ths Eyrwzwnhs kai exei toys tropoys, me thn politikh sthrijh, na eggyhqei gia thn oikonomia ths.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na sas rwthsw, ti einai protimotero gia thn ellhnikh kybernhsh kai gia th xwra, na zhthsei thn oikonomikh sthrijh kai na th labei, opws ypodeiknyoyn oi perissoteres phges kai kybernhseis kai dh mallon isxyres, Germania, Gallia, sth xwra mas. Dhladh, lene ``zhteiste lefta kai qa ta parete, alla zhteiste ta'' h na prosfygei sto DNT, pera apo tis dhlwseis. Kai an qelete, symplhrwmatika, eseis pws sxoliazete, ayth th stigmh, th stash ths germanikhs kybernhshs poy apo th mia sthrizei politika - kai eidame to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy poy xarakthristhke epityxes kai meta tis dhlwseis sthrijhs- kai apo thn allh mesw epishmwn diarrown kai kybernhtikwn ekproswpwn ths kybernhshs Merkel na legetai ``ptwxeyste kai sas dinoyme''.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den yparxei periptwsh na ptwxeysei h Ellada. Einai mia xwra, h opoia diaqetei ena terastio anqrwpino dynamiko. Diaqetei ployto, ton opoio qa ekmetalleyqei me ton kalytero tropo kai poy gia tis gnwstes aities den ton exoyme ekmetalleyqei mexri twra. Ara, den yparxei periptwsh ptwxeyshs. Ayto einai safestato, einai jekaqaro. Exei mia ypeyqynh kybernhsh, apofasistikh kai ayto to gnwrizoyn pleon oloi kai exoyn antapokriqei qetika kai mesa apo ta tajidia poy ekane o Prwqypoyrgos. Qa sas parapemcw, omws, se mia dhlwsh poy ekane, xqes, o armodios ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn k. Papakwnstantinoy, o opoios einai kai o kat` ejoxhn armodios gia ta oikonomika zhthmata ths xwras mas kai o opoios gnwrizei apo prwto xeri oles tis oikonomikes diadikasies kai ejelijeis, oti den qa mporoysame na zhthsoyme oikonomikh bohqeia, ean den gnwrizame kai toys oroys me toys opoioys ayth qa parasxeqei. Ara, milame gia politikh sthrijh. Kai ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws, oti yparxei tropos h politikh sthrijh na einai toso safhs kai rhth poy kai ta spreads na ephreastoyn kai na mhn yparxei kamia amfibolia gia th bohqeia, gia thn politikh sthrijh ths xwras mas.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Den gnwrizoyme ton tropo xrhmatodothshs, ean zhthsoyme bohqeia, eipate, apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Gnwrizoyme ton tropo kai toys xeirismoys poy qa epiballei to DNT, giati se megalo baqmo toys gnwrizoyme. Gi` ayto sas rwthsa, gia thn kybernhsh ti einai protimotero; Prosfygh sto DNT h daneio;

PETALWTHS: H protimhsh ths kybernhshs einai safhs. Eimaste xwra ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, xwra ths Eyrwzwnhs kai den qeloyme na fygoyme apo ta stena periqwria ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Oytws h allws kai emeis exoyme symballei me qetiko tropo, asxeta me ta elleimmata toy parelqontos, sthn isxyropoihsh ayths ths Eyrwzwnhs. Ara, einai safes oti to plaisio mas einai mesa sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. To DNT to anaferoyme ws mia dynatothta. Giati ean xreiastei kai otan xreiastei na daneistoyme, qa prepei na daneistoyme apo kapoy, me tetoioys oroys poy na mhn einai oi epibaryntikoi oroi poy zhsame sto prosfato parelqon. Alla einai safhs h epilogh mas na meinoyme sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh ws pros th bohqeia kai na sthrixqoyme mesa apo tis diadikasies ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

MIXAHL: Yparxoyn kapoies plhrofories oti xqes to brady o k. Samaras thlefwnhse ston k. Papandreoy kai synomilhsan, me aformh kai tis synomilies poy eixe o Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias stis Bryjelles. To epibebaiwnete h to diaceydete;

PETALWTHS: Den yphrxe thlefwnikh synomilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Samara.

MIXAHL: To deytero poy qelw na sas rwthsw einai to ejhs: O k. Papandreoy, ektos apo th synanthsh poy qa exei to apogeyma, stis Bryjelles, me ton k. Mparozo, exei programmatisei kai alles synanthseis mexri thn epomenh Tetarth poy qa ginei h Synodos Koryfhs; Dhladh, qa xreiastei na kanei kai allo tajidi th Deytera se eyrwpaikes prwteyoyses;

PETALWTHS: To programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy den exei kaqoristei akoma. Oi dieqneis epafes poy exoyn ginei einai se toso shmantiko baqmo poy nomizw oti arkoyn. Apo ekei kai pera, analoga me tis peristaseis antilambanomaste oti yparxei mia epikoinwnia anamesa stis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs me th xwra mas, thn opoia epidiwkoyme emeis. Kai sto plaisio ayto yparxei dynatothta kai piqanothta na synomilhsei me alloys hgetes.

MIXAHL: Kai kati akoma: O k. Prwqypoyrgos einai programmatismeno na einai sth Qessalonikh, thn Paraskeyh kai to Sabbato, gia to politiko symboylio toy PASOK kai to eqniko symboylio. Exei oristikopoihqei, qa paei sto synedrio ths GSEE na apeyqynei xairetismo, opws oi ypoloipoi politikoi arxhgoi kai o Proedros ths Dhmokratias;

PETALWTHS: O programmatismos poy yparxei einai aytos. Perilambanei kai th GSEE. Alla antilambanomaste oti eidika se tetoies sygkyries to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai reysto.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Ti sas kanei na pisteyete oti telika aytes oi antirrhseis poy exei h germanikh pleyra sth Synodo Koryfhs qa kamfqei ayth h arnhtikh symperifora poy exei h k. Merkel; Kai ena deytero, qelw na sas rwthsw, ean h epomenh Synodos Koryfhs einai h krisimh hmeromhnia gia na pame sto DNT. Einai h teleytaia eykairia poy dinei h Ellada sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh gia na yparxei mia sthrijh;

PETALWTHS: Safws kai einai h krisimh hmeromhnia, oxi gia na pame sto DNT, alla gia na doyme, gia na diapistwsoyme kata poso qa mas sthrijei politika h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, opws prosdokoyme oti qa ginei, opws pisteyoyme oti qa ginei. Einai ena shmantiko xroniko kai kombiko shmeio, etsi wste kai h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh na labei tis apofaseis ths, alla kai h Ellada, analoga me tis apofaseis ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, na labei tis dikes ths apofaseis. Oson afora sth germanikh kybernhsh -gnwrizoyme tis kai eswterikes ths diergasies- einai mia kybernhsh synaspismoy me polles taseis sto eswteriko ths. To parakoloyqoyme kai eyelpistoyme oti sto telos qa antilhfqoyn oloi thn krisimothta ths Synodoy Koryfhs stis 25-26 Martioy.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, profanws h kybernhsh exei synektimhsei ayton ton paragonta. Alla, exete kanei, etsi mia probolh sto mellon; Kai se periptwsh poy h Ellada prosfygei sto DNT, o politikos orizontas ayths ths kybernhshs pws skiagrafeitai akribws; Parapempontas de, kai sta alla paradeigmata, poy eidame kybernhseis na ejwqoyntai oysiastika sto DNT kai meta na katapontizontai politika;

PETALWTHS: Emas ayto poy mas endiaferei, einai na diaswqei h ellhnikh oikonomia, h opoia exei oles tis proypoqeseis na diaswqei. Apo ekei kai pera, kanoyme tis kinhseis, kinhseis oi opoies exei apodeijei h ellhnikh kybernhsh oti einai melethmenes, kinhseis sobarothtas, ypeyqynothtas, me thn eyreia synainesh toy ellhnikoy laoy, o opoios plhttetai apo kapoia metra kai apofaseis poy anagkasthkame, logw ths gnwsths sygkyrias, na laboyme. Kai o monos stoxos sthn poreia mas einai aytos. To legomeno ``politiko kostos'', emas den mas afora. Ayto poy mas afora einai to dhmosio symferon kai h prostasia toy Ellhna polith, eidika sthn oikonomikh toy zwh.

LASKARATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate arketes fores oti aisiodojeite h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh na analabei tis eyqynes ths, oti eyelpisteite oti ginontai prospaqeies. Exete kati xeiropiasto, ayth th stigmh gia na aisiodojeite; Giati emeis ta mhnymata ta opoia blepoyme apo toys Germanoys etairoys, den mas dinoyn periqwrio na aisiodojoyme.

PETALWTHS: Mexri tis 25 kai 26 Martioy, eimaste se mia diarkh prospaqeia. Ayto mporoyme na kanoyme, ayto prepei na kanoyme kai pros ayth thn kateyqynsh kanoyme ta panta gia to ellhniko dhmosio symferon.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh to exoyme afhsei, san dynatothta, to DNT, ap` tis epafes poy exei kanei o Prwqypoyrgos me ton proedro toy DNT, alla kai o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn me to Grammatea toy DNT, otan htan stis HPA, exete kanei tis anagkaies diergasies gia na jeroyme toylaxiston ean to DNT qa mas zhthsei prosqeta metra h qa qewrhsei arketa ayta poy exoyn parqei;

PETALWTHS: Emeis ejetazoyme oles tis dynatothtes. Menoyme sto oti zhtame thn politikh sthrijh apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Kata ta alla, safws exoyme to oikonomiko epiteleio, to opoio epejergazetai oles tis dynatothtes. Pros to paron menoyme sth lysh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, thn opoia kai epidiwkoyme.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Oso to afhnete anoixto, qa diafhmizetai. Kyrie Ekproswpe, na epanelqw sto qema ths ypoyrgoy k. Katselh kai qelw na sas rwthsw me poly apla logia, pera apo kaqe anakoinwsh poy ejedwse shmera h ypoyrgos: Ena stelexos ths kybernhshs poy xarakthrizei ``myqo'' to sxedio staqerothtas...

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw, egine aytos o xarakthrismos;

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Etsi toylaxiston eipe mprosta stoys dhmosiografoys kai en pash periptwsei oti kata...

PETALWTHS: Anaferetai se mia off syzhthsh kai gi` ayto egw amfiballw ean exei ginei.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: En pash periptwsei.

PETALWTHS: Oxi, amfiballw. Einai ek twn pragmatwn amfibolo ean exei eipwqei kati tetoio. Alla, epeidh h k. Katselh symmetexei me poly energo rolo kai sthn ejelijh twn oikonomikwn pragmatwn ths xwras kai ginetai mia poly megalh doyleia apo to epiteleio ths, se anaptyjiako epipedo, den mporei na qewrei oti einai ``myqos'' to Programma Staqerothtas, otan exei symbalei me poly shmantiko tropo kai rolo sth diorganwsh kai ylopoihsh toy.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: En merei me kalycate me thn ekfrash sas, oti den mporei na qewrei ``myqo'', ap` th stigmh poy symbalei se ayto. Kai en katakleidi, gia na oloklhrwsw to erwthma, apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy h k. Katselh;

PETALWTHS: Oloi oi ypoyrgoi apolambanoyn ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Kai gi` ayto akribws kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres exoyme diaceysei me kathgorhmatiko tropo, ta senaria peri anasxhmatismoy. Ginetai mia poly shmantikh doyleia apo ola ta ypoyrgeia, apo oloys toys ypoyrgoys kai kyriws apo to oikonomiko epiteleio s` ayth th fash, afoy syzhtame gia thn oikonomikh epibiwsh ths xwras mas. Synepws den prepei na adikoyme toys ypoyrgoys, eidika toy oikonomikoy epiteleioy.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, anejarthta toy ti qewrei h den qewrei ``myqoys'' h k. Katselh, h kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo ton tropo poy leitoyrgoyn orismenoi ypoyrgoi; Dhladh, na lene ayta poy lene, estw kai me ton tropo poy ta lene h metaferontai kai meta na ekdidoyn epishmes anakoinwseis, na dieykrinizoyn ayta poy blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas. Eseis pisteyete oti olh ayth h prospaqeia s` aytes tis periptwseis, ti ennooyn kai ti lene, bohqaei sto na ginei katanohth h kybernhtikh grammh kai kyriws h sklhrh diapragmateysh poy kanoyme ayth th stigmh sto plaisio ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs;

PETALWTHS: Sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, exw th bebaiothta oti h k. Katselh den exei pei kati tetoio. Kai sas to anaferw epeidh gnwrizw to ergo to opoio paragei. Apo ekei kai pera, epishs gnwrizw oti qeseis metajy ypoyrgwn proteinontai kai proekteinontai kaqe hmera, xwris tis perissoteres fores na yparxei ypocia qematos. Safws kai pisteyoyme oti h kybernhsh leitoyrgei me ton kalytero tropo kai malista - epanalambanw- se poly dyskoles synqhkes.

LIONAKHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate oti den tiqetai qema na zhthsei h Ellada oikonomikh sthrijh. Wstoso, o ekproswpos typoy toy k. Rompei, eipe xqes oti den skopeyei o Proedros ths E.E. na qesei sthn atzenta toy Symboylioy Koryfhs to zhthma ths Elladas, ektos ean h Ellada zhthsei apo toys ``27'' ths Eyrwphs anoixta oikonomikh sthrijh. Qa zhthsei h Ellada oikonomikh sthrijh;

PETALWTHS: Oikonomikh sthrijh den zhtame, etsi opws exei dhlwsei kai o k. Papakwnstantinoy. Zhtame politikh sthrijh. Ayto einai dedomeno kai den nomizw oti yparxei kamia amfibolia oti sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, sth Synodo Koryfhs, qa teqei kai to zhthma ths Elladas.

PETOYRH: Na epanelqw sto agaphmeno sas qema, to Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio. H Ellada biwnei th megalyterh oikonomikh krish sthn istoria ths. Kai para to oti ayto thn kanei pio eswstrefh, anagkastika gia na antimetwpisei ayth thn krish, ejakoloyqei na einai mia apo tis basikes xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs poy kai thn enisxysan kai th dieyrynan. Yparxei loipon mia ektimhsh an anagkastoyme, ws xwra, na prosfygoyme sto DNT, ti qa shmanei ayto gia th zwnh toy eyrw; Sobaros klydwnismos, allagh, anatroph;

PETALWTHS: Pisteyw oti qa yparxoyn synepeies sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh synolikotera kai oti aytes tis synepeies den qelei kaneis na tis dei kai na tis ypostei.

GARGALAKOS: Einai alhqeia kyrie ypoyrge oti xrwstame se ayto to perifhmo periodiko to FOCUS, lefta apo diafhmiseis;

PETALWTHS: Ki egw to diabasa. Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw. Einai, omws, safes oti xrwstame, apo diafhmiseis toy EOT, para polla xrhmata se periodika kai efhmerides. Ayto shmainei oti h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias katorqwse tis ypotiqemenes diafhmiseis na tis metatrecei sth megalyterh dysfhmish ths xwras mas. Ayto einai dedomeno kai to exoyme biwsei me ta grafeia toy EOT sto ejwteriko, ta opoia kleinoyme gia na mhn prolaboyn na mas ta kleisoyn logw xrewn. Yparxei kai h periptwsh na ofeiloyme, alla zhthsa ep` aytoy dieykriniseis kai qa sas enhmerwsw.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Qa hqela na mas peite kapoia stigmh mazi me ayth th dieykrinish, dioti profanws den eiste enhmeros twra, ti xrhmata exoyn mpei se ayton ton perifhmo eqniko logariasmo, to ycos twn kataqesewn kai sygkekrimena ean se ayto to logariasmo h Ekklhsia ths Ellados exei anoijei to poygki ths na dwsei kanena eyrw.

PETALWTHS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw ayrio.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Qelw na epanelqw sto qema me thn kyria Katselh kai to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn. Epeidh katalabainw oti egine enas sysxetismos apo to Megaro Majimoy, piqanon na exete symmetasxei ki eseis se ayton to xeirismo, yparxei sxolio apo to Megaro Majimoy gi ayta poy exei pei to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn ws apanthsh sthn kyria Katselh;

PETALWTHS: Poia dhladh;

XASAPOPOYLOS: Kykloi toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn feretai na exoyn pei se efhmerides oti akomh perimenoyn na doyn thn anaptyjiakh politikh ths kyrias Katselh.

PETALWTHS: E, oxi. Ayta ta ``feretai'', ta lete eseis oi dhmosiografoi poy exete kapoies phges kai diastayrwnete h den diastayrwnete kapoies plhrofories. Emeis anaferomaste se ayta poy lene kai prattoyn oi ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs. Kai malista, h kyria Katselh, apo to prwi, exei ekfrasei thn anhsyxia kai th sfodrh antidrash ths ws pros ayta poy grafthkan shmera.

Alla, epanalambanw: Peran apo tis syzhthseis poy eginan me thn kyria Katselh alla kai oi dieykriniseis poy doqhkan mesw toy deltioy Typoy, den mporw na dianohqw oti h ypoyrgos Oikonomias, h opoia symballei me ayton to spoydaio tropo sthn oikonomikh politikh ths kybernhshs, amfisbhtei to Programma Staqerothtas sto opoio basizomaste, oytws h allws, gia na anatajoyme thn ajiopistia mas.

XASAPOPOYLOS: (den akoygetai) oti einai paranohsh. Ayto to klima yparxei sthn kybernhsh kai poy exei pei h kyria Katselh, oti einai paranohsh se ayta poy eipe.

PETALWTHS: To leei ki h kyria Katselh sthn anakoinwsh ths.

POLYMEROS: Kapoia stigmh, ws kybernhsh, kanate kapoies deyteres skeceis otan blepate to tsoynami twn kerdoskopwn, pws qa eprepe ``na mhn kremasete sta mantalakia'' ta toy oikoy mas gia na ta blepoyn oi Eyrwpaioi kai na exoyme thn kritikh poy exoyme shmera, opws den dexthkan sto parelqon kai alles xwres opws h Agglia, h Gallia, h Germania h opoia eidika den to eixe dextei me sqenos. Exete kanei deyteres skeceis;

PETALWTHS: Emeis eixame kai exoyme ypoxrewsh na mhn kryboyme ta problhmata. Ta apotypwnoyme. Den apokalycame emeis ta problhmata ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Htan toso terastia -me ena terastio elleimma, to opoio malista apokryptame ws xwra me thn eyqynh ths Neas Dhmokratias- etsi wste na mhn mporoyme, kai na qelame, na krycoyme tipota. Emeis den apokalycame. Emeis diaxeirizomaste -kai malista me ton pio ypeyqyno kai apofasistiko tropo- to terastio elleimma ajiopistias. Apo kei kai pera, to na krybomaste san stroyqokamhloi, opws kanei akomh kai shmera h Nea Dhmokratia, poy amfisbhtei an to pragmatiko elleimma einai opws to paroysiazoyme emeis shmera ws kybernhsh, nomizw oti kaqe allo para bohqaei ton topo.

Sas eyxaristw.

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