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Trith, 16 Martioy 2010

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 16 Martioy 2010

JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Kat` arxas, qa hqela na anaferqw sta qetika symperasmata toy atypoy symboylioy twn ypoyrgwn Oikonomikwn gia th xwra mas. Pragmati, oi Eyrwpaioi etairoi mas anagnwrisan tis prospaqeies poy katabalei h kybernhsh. Dietypwsan th bebaiothta toys oti h Ellada, me to Programma Staqerothtas kai Anaptyjhs poy akoloyqei kai tis prosqetes apofaseis poy exei labei, brisketai sth swsth poreia, gia th meiwsh toy elleimmatos kata 4% to 2010.

Epishs, kai ayto einai ejairetika shmantiko, teqhke gia prwth fora zhthma dhmioyrgias eyrwpaikoy mhxanismoy gia thn antimetwpish paromoiwn krisewn tetoiwn poy pername, etsi wste se analoges kriseis poy qa yparxoyn se alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs sto mellon, na yparxei eyrwpaikos mhxanismos sthrijhs twn oikonomiwn aytwn.

Proxwrwntas, loipon, ston politiko kai oikonomiko mas sxediasmo, katateqhke xqes sth Boylh to prosxedio toy forologikoy nomosxedioy, to opoio eisagei ena aplo kai dikaio forologiko systhma-plaisio, me eniaioys kanones, xwris adikaiologhtes ejaireseis. Ena plaisio mesa sto opoio, mporei o kaqe poliths na syneisferei - kai ypoxreoytai na syneisferei- analoga me tis pragmatikes toy dynatothtes. Gi` ayto akribws to logo, amesh proteraiothta mas einai h antimetwpish ths forodiafyghs, kaqws apotelei katafwrh adikia se baros twn synepwn sympolitwn mas kai oysiastika apotelei troxopedh sth swsth leitoyrgia toy kratoys kai en telei sthn anaptyjh ths xwras, kaqws kai sthn koinwnikh eyhmeria ths koinwnias, genikotera.

Na shmeiwsw oti einai h prwth fora, poy kybernhsh sthn Ellada kataqetei protash gia thn anadomhsh kai malista se tetoio baqmo toy forologikoy systhmatos, mesa se pente mhnes. Qa staqw endeiktika se kapoies diatajeis opws:

-H eisagwgh neas forologikhs klimakas gia pio dikaih katanomh twn forologikwn barwn.

-H katarghsh twn periptwsewn adikaiologhths aytoteloys forologhshs eisodhmatwn.

-H ayjhsh toy syntelesth forologhshs akinhtwn, sthn idiokthsia twn off shore etaireiwn poy exei ginei polys logos sto parelqon, apo 3% se 15% ethsiws.

-H forologhsh twn esodwn apo thn ekmetalleysh ths akinhths perioysias ths ekklhsias, me syntelesth 20%.

-H forologhsh 90% twn mponoys stis trapezes kai stis xrhmatooikonomikes epixeirhseis.

-H sygkrothsh apo th Genikh Grammateia toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, entos eji mhnwn, perioysiologioy olwn twn fysikwn proswpwn, poy qa apotelei th bash gia diejagwgh diastayrwsewn twn eisodhmatwn poy dhlwnontai apo toys forologoymenoys.

-H taktikh efarmogh hlektronikwn diastayrwsewn, etsi wste na mhn mporei na apokryptontai eisodhmata.

-H ypoxrewtikh ekdosh apodeijewn, mesw tameiakwn mhxanwn, apo ta prathria kaysimwn, ta taji, ta periptera, toys pwlhtes twn lianikwn agorwn klp.

-H yioqethsh drastikwn meqodwn sylloghs twn aneispraktwn ofelwn, poy einai ena ejairetiko kommati dhmosioy ploytoy, to opoio ekfeygei, opws h katasxesh perioysiwn gia osoys exoyn thn ikanothta apoplhrwmhs.

Oi diatajeis aytes qa teqoyn se koinoboyleytikh diaboyleysh se prwto baqmo kai qa diamorfwqoyn sthn oristikh toys morfh, mesa apo th gnwsth koinoboyleytikh diadikasia.

Epishs, na ypogrammisw oti boylhsh ths kybernhshs einai na mhn dhmioyrghqei prosqeto baros sta xamhla kai mesaia eisodhmata, alla antiqeta na anakatanemhqoyn dikaia oi forologikes ypoxrewseis. Diasfalizoyme de, oti ta forologika esoda qa dioxeteyqoyn se draseis poy apoteloyn moxlo gia thn anaptyjh, enisxyoyn to koinwniko kratos kai beltiwnoyn thn poiothta zwhs twn politwn.

Eisagwgika, epishs, qa hqela na anaferqw kai stis prwtoboylies toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias gia to gnwsto ESPA.

Gia prwth fora, aplopoioyntai oi diatajeis gia thn ylopoihsh toy Eqnikoy Strathgikoy Plaisioy Anaptyjhs poy einai ``pagwmenes''. Etsi, feygoyme apo thn aparadekta xamhlh aporrofhtikothta, poy paralabame, oyte 3,5%, poy einai mexri shmera kai pame se ychloys ryqmoys. To synolo twn porwn twn PEP ekxwreitai stis perifereies, me oroys kai proypoqeseis poy ejasfalizoyn xrhsth kai apotelesmatikh diaxeirish. Egkrinetai apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias to synoliko programma mexri th lhjh toy kai oxi apospasmatika, etsi wste na trexoyn oi sxetikes diadikasies kai oi parapleyres energeies. Katargeitai h ypoxrewtikh epibebaiwshs ths diaxeiristikhs eparkeias dikaioyxwn kai forewn kata tis apaithseis twn protypwn toy ELOT. Mataiwnetai h systash forewn, opws: Anaptyjiakoi organismoi perifereias kai nomos A.E., poy me epikalyptomenes armodiothtes parepempan se kaqysterhseis kai prosqeto kostos leitoyrgias kai me alles synepeies. Epitaxynetai drastika h ajiologhsh panw apo 3.500 ependytikwn sxediwn poy ekkremoyn -kai einai ejairetika shmantiko ayto- synolikoy kostoys 10,2 disekatommyriwn eyrw kai aitoymenhs epixorhghshs 3,8 disekatommyriwn eyrw. Einai se ekkremothta, ta ``jepagwnoyme'' gia na paroyn mprosta. To ESPA apeleyqerwnetai kai proxwraei. O neos nomos to syndeei me th dhmioyrgikothta, thn paragwgh kai thn apotelesmatikothta.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Sas akoysa na milate gia qetika symperasmata apo th xqesinh synedriash toy Eurogroup. Ypoqetw oti kai shmera ligo analogo qa einai to klima sto ECOFIN. Anarwtiemai, omws, poia qeloyme na einai ayta ta qetika symperasmata, otan symfwna me ton k. Sarkozi, paroysia toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn ektakth Synodo Koryfhs to Febroyario, dyo pragmata symfwnhqhkan: H Ellada na kanei kapoia pragmata, ta opoia ekane me ta gnwsta metra, poy exoyn prokalesei koinwnikes antidraseis kai anamenetai, opws eipe kai o k. Sarkozi, h antidrash twn Eyrwpaiwn, poy ayth th stigmh den th blepoyme. Kai den th blepoyme se kanena epipedo praktiko. Mono kala logia. H erwthsh moy einai an ayta ta kala logia synistoyn to qetiko symperasma h anamenete kati parapanw empraktws tis epomenes hmeres;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, exoyme tonisei polles fores oti emeis den zhthsame bohqeia, den zhthsame daneio apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Zhthsame politikh sthrijh kai ayto einai poly shmantiko gia emas, giati exei na kanei me tis proypoqeseis kai toys oroys daneismoy. Exoyme epaneilhmmenws dhlwsei oti ayto poy mas endiaferei einai na daneizomaste otan xreiazetai me toys oroys poy daneizontai kai oi ypoloipes xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, poy shmainei oti, ean dhlwqei rhta, kathgorhmatika -kai h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh exei toys tropoys na to kanei- exoyme thn politikh sthrijh poy zhtame. Qa exoyme kai enan eykolo daneismo, opote xreiastoyme. Apo ekei kai pera, as mhn jexname oti xqes egine mono mia synedriash kai shmera ginetai h deyterh, ayth toy ECOFIN. Yparxei to Symboylio Koryfhs poy qa ginei stis Bryjelles stis 25 kai 26 Martioy. Synepws, yparxei xwros kai xronos kai gia peraiterw ejeidikeysh twn apofasewn ths sthrijhs ths xwras mas. Egw aplws anefera ta opoia qetika exoyme apokomisei, mexri twra. Kai den mporoyme na mhn qewrhsoyme qetikh th sthrijh h opoia dhlwqhke gia allh mia fora, kaqws kai th dhmioyrgia, epiteloys -estw kai ep` eykairia toy problhmatos ths oikonomikhs krishs ths Elladas- enos eyrwpaikoy mhxanismoy, o opoios afenos men, qa prolambanei kai afeteroy, qa bohqaei se tetoioy eidoys oikonomikes kriseis. Safws kai den teleiwsame. Safws kai exoyme enan ejairetika makry dromo gia na pame mprosta kai na jeperasoyme thn oikonomikh krish. Emeis, omws, bhma me bhma ajiologoyme ola ekeina ta stoixeia, ta opoia mas kanoyn na eimaste eite aisiodojoi, eite apaisiodojoi. Kai sigoyra, mesa apo mia ejairetikh prospaqeia poy exei kanei h ellhnikh kybernhsh kai thn opoia exei parakoloyqhsei kai o ellhnikos laos, olo ayto to diasthma, briskomaste se kalytero dromo kai dhmioyrgoyme proypoqeseis, etsi wste na bgoyme me ton kalytero tropo ap` aythn thn oikonomikh krish. Alla, einai jekaqaro oti exoyme akomh mellon ws pros to ti perimenoyme kai ws pros thn ejelijh ths drashs ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

MIXAHL: Mia symplhrwmatikh: H k. Merkel otan synanthqhke me ton Prwqypoyrgo sto Berolino, pragmati htan para poly qermh, gia th sthrijh sthn Ellada, xairetise ta metra poy pairnoyme klp. Symfwna me tis antapokriseis twn synadelfwn mas apo tis Bryjelles, oi Germanoi exoyn twra antirrhseis sto pws mporei na ekfrastei empraktws mia eyrwpaikh bohqeia pros thn Ellada, tetoioy eidoys poy perigracate. Kata synepeia, ti na symperanoyme; Oti htan aplws logia eygeneias oi dhlwseis ths k. Merkel, h ontws yparxei kati pio sygkekrimeno, to opoio den mporoyme mesa se ayth th fash na to anakoinwsoyme kai qa to doyme na ginetai;

PETALWTHS: H Germania einai mia apo tis xwres ths eyrwzwnhs, kaqoristikhs shmasias kai idiaiteroy baroys, logw toy megeqoys ths oikonomias ths. Apo ekei kai pera, ws gnwston, sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh to zhthma twn diapragmateysewn einai megalo. Me bash aytes tis diapragmateyseis mporei na yparjei sthrijh h na mhn yparjei sthrijh. To na menoyme sth symperifora mias xwras mono, toylaxiston se ayth th fash, nomizw oti den wfelei. Eseis mporeite na to sxoliazete dhmosiografika. Emeis, omws, blepoyme synolika th stash twn etairwn mas sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai mesa apo tis syzhthseis, diapragmateyseis kai tis synedriaseis twn armodiwn organwn qa yparjei mia apofash, thn opoia sto telos qa krinoyme. Kai opws eipa prohgoymenws, pera apo tis dyo shmerines synedriaseis twn ypoyrgwn Oikonomikwn, xqes kai shmera, yparxei kai h Synodos Koryfhs, thn epomenh ebdomada.

PAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, lete oti h Ellada den zhtaei xrhmata, zhtaei politikh sthrijh. En toytois, qa hqela na sas pw oti kai sto prohgoymeno Symboylio Koryfhs, sthn ektakth synodo, h Ellada eixe parei mia xliarh, an qelete, politikh sthrijh, alla poly qermoterh politikh sthrijh phre kai apo ton k. Merkel kai apo ton k. Sarkozi prosfata. En toytois, ayto den efqase gia na peisqoyn oi agores na pesoyn ta spread. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, den sas anhsyxei oti plhsiazei o kairos poy h Ellada qa bgei jana se daneismo kai en toytois exoyme mia asafeia apo toys Eyrwpaioys etairoys, poio qa einai ayto to sxedio sthrijhs twn ellhnikwn omologwn;

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws mas anhsyxei h ellhnikh oikonomia, synolika. Exoyme ejairetikh agwnia, ws ypeyqynh kybernhsh, na diaswsoyme thn ellhnikh oikonomikh. Opws eipa, omws kai prohgoymenws einai mia megalh diapragmateysh poy ginetai sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Emeis qetoyme ta pragmatika peristatika, qetoyme ta zhthmata. Qeloyme na leitoyrghsoyn oi arxes oi opoies diepoyn thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, mia apo tis opoies einai kai h arxh ths allhleggyhs metajy twn xwrwn. Elpizoyme, prosdokoyme kai piezoyme, prospaqoyme mexri na daneistoyme -otan xreiastei na daneistoyme- oi synqhkes na einai safws kalyteres apo aytes poy yparxoyn mexri stigmhs. Ayto to gnwrizoyn kai oi alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai pisteyoyme oti qa epitelesoyn to kaqhkon toys ws pros thn allhleggyh poy anefera prohgoymenws: Thn ylopoihsh ths arxhs ths allhleggyhs. Yparxei, omws, dromos akomh. Milhsame gia th Germania kai th Gallia. Einai dyo jexwristes xwres, me idiaitera xarakthristika h kaqemia kai einai mono dyo xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Einai diaforetiko na syzhta kaneis me mia pros mia xwra kai einai diaforetiko na ginetai mia diapragmateysh s` ayta ta symboylia twn Ypoyrgwn Oikonomikwn kai toy Symboylioy Koryfhs. To qetiko gia thn olh ypoqesh einai oti h Ellada phgainei me kalyteres proypoqeseis, me kalyteres synqhkes. Exoyme na epideijoyme ena ejairetika sobaro Programma Staqerothtas, Anaptyjhs kai Anasygkrothshs, to opoio hdh exei parei thn egkrish. Alla, h sobarothta toy programmatos aytoy epibebaiwqhke kai sth xqesinh synedriash toy atypoy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy twn ypoyrgwn Oikonomikwn kai Oikonomias kai qa epanabebaiwqei. Exoyme thn kataqesh enos neoy forologikoy nomosxedioy poy oi etairoi mas sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh to lambanoyn ypoch kai ta prosqeta metra, tis prosqetes apofaseis poy labame. Ara, pisteyoyme oti me olo ayto to synqeto egxeirhma mas, eimaste se qesh na peisoyme kai toys Eyrwpaioys etairoys mas gia th sobarothta ths oikonomikhs politikhs mas pleon kai na afhsoyme pisw to elleimma ajiopistias, alla kai oi dieqneis agores na prosarmosoyn thn taktikh toys me bash thn eggyhsh poy exei na kanei me thn politikh sthrijh poy qa mas dwsoyn oi Eyrwpaioi etairoi mas. Einai logiko oti to na peistoyn oi dieqneis agores, oi opoies exoyn kai alloys stoxoys, den einai mia aplh diadikasia. Einai mia synqeth diadikasia. Einai mia diadikasia peiqoys, ajiopistias kai pisteyoyme oti kanoyme oti kalytero, sthn paroysa fash, gia thn patrida mas.

MPOYATAR: Eipate oti h Ellada den zhtaei daneio. Dhladh praktika, mono me politikh sthrijh sta logia mporei na diasfalisei oti h Ellada qa daneistei me mh barbaroys tropoys, h yparxei kati pio sygkekrimeno poy perimenete; An apokleiete daneio, eggyhseis, ti mas menei pera apo ta logia;

PETALWTHS: Zhtame politikh sthrijh. Pros to paron menoyme ekei kai h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh exei toys tropoys kai gnwrizei poly kala pws mporei na mas dwsei ayth thn politikh sthrijh. Oson afora ayto poy eipate, na mh daneistoyme me ``barbaroys tropoys'', to eipa kai xqes kai epanerxomai: H ellhnikh kybernhsh einai apofasismenh na mh dexqei jana na daneistoyme m` aytoys toys tropoys poy daneisthkame mexri shmera. Kai epeidh yparxoyn oi proypoqeseis, dhmioyrgoyntai oi proypoqeseis, eimaste kai aisiodojoi ws pros ayto.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: An mexri to Symboylio Koryfhs den exei doqei h politikh sthrijh, opws akribws th qelei h xwra mas kai h kybernhsh, h kybernhsh qa proxwrhsei, loipon, sto Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio meta kai to Symboylio Koryfhs; Ekei einai h ``kokkinh grammh'' thn opoia bazoyme; An yparxei mia ``kokkinh grammh''.

PETALWTHS: Xronika ennoeite;

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Xronika, nai. Dhladh, efoson h protash gia Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio einai panw sto trapezi, pote qa anoijei ayto to xarti h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Egw to exw pei kai to epanalambanw: H prosfygh sto Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio einai mia dynatothta thn opoia den apokleioyme, me dedomeno oti otan xreiastei qa prepei na daneistoyme me toys oroys kai tis synqhkes poy armozoyn se mia eyrwpaikh xwra. Mono ws dynatothta to ejetazoyme. Den yparxei xronikh ``kokkinh grammh''. H kybernhsh diapragmateyetai, syzhtaei, apotypwnei tis qeseis ths, tis diatypwnei. Exei pleon mia seira apo epixeirhmata. Bgainoyme oso ginetai pio qwrakismenoi stis syzhthseis me toys Eyrwpaioys etairoys mas kai dhmioyrgoyme dieqnws ekeines tis synqhkes - kai me ta tajidia toy Prwqypoyrgoy- etsi wste oi agores na mhn exoyn kamia dikaiologia na mh mas daneisoyn me ton tropo poy prepei na mas daneisoyn. H prosfygh pros to Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio einai, omws, mia dynatothta.

XRISTOFILOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to prwi se radiofwnikh synenteyjh sas ypogrammisate, ypenqymisate oti h Germania einai o megalyteros pwlhths oplikwn systhmatwn sthn Ellada kai thn kalesate na skefqei poso wfeleitai h oikonomia ths apo aytes tis agores. Yparxei problhmatismos sthn kybernhsh gia th stash ths Germania sto ellhniko problhma, me dedomeno oti o k. Schaeuble xqes, symfwna me egkyra dhmosieymata, epemeine oti h Ellada den prepei na labei oikonomikh bohqeia, para monon otan qa brisketai sta proqyra ths xrewkopias;

PETALWTHS: Egw apotypwsa mia pragmatikothta. Ayto poy prospaqoyme na kanoyme shmera, einai na kallierghsoyme tis kales sxeseis poy exoyme me tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, sxeseis poy armozoyn se etairoys kai malista se palaioys etairoys, opws einai h Ellada kai h Germania. Kai kaloyme oles tis xwres na analogistoyn ayto poy onomazoyme ``eyrwpaikh allhleggyh'' kai malista otan exoyme ekeines tis baseis kai exoyme dhmioyrghsei, molis se pente mhnes, ekeines tis ypodomes etsi wste h xwra mas na einai pleon ajiopisth gia na mporoyn na thn empisteyontai kai oles oi xwres. Pairnoyme ypoch mas kai tis eswterikes diergasies poy ginontai se oles tis xwres-melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, emeis exoyme tis qeseis mas, exoyme tis protaseis mas kai kaloyme thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh na mas sthrijei.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh fainetai akrh den briskoyme, oyte me toys Germanoys, oyte me toys alloys, mporeite na moy peite pws sxoliazete mia plhroforia poy kykloforhse shmera to prwi oti to Nomismatokopeio edw, sthn Aqhna dhladh, einai etoimo na janatypwsei draxmes;

PETALWTHS: Kyrie Makrygiannh, fernete synexeia tis pio parajenes plhrofories poy kykloforoyn.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ayth einai h apanthsh sas;

PETALWTHS: Ayto shmainei oti eiste kalos dhmosiografos. Den yparxei tetoia skech, kamia.

POLYMEROS: Yparxei ena dhmosieyma shmera ston ``Eleyqero Typo'', apo o,ti blepw, sto opoio anaferetai oti dieyqynwn symboylos ths EYDAP topoqethqhke o Nikos Mpardhs, o opoios epi 21 xronia htan ekproswpos ths etaireias, an den kanw laqos, ``Beolia'', mias gallikhs etaireias, h opoia hqele diakaws na apokthsei to management ths EYDAP. Shmainei kati ayto sth synexeia ths sygkekrimenhs etaireias; Yparxei periptwsh, dhladh, na doyme kapoia idiwtikopoihsh;

PETALWTHS: Den shmainei tipota. Oi organismoi koinhs wfeleias kai genikotera oi epixeirhseis poy exoyn na kanoyn me to dhmosio symferon, exoyn ws monadiko gnwmona to dhmosio symferon kai tipote allo.

QEODWROPOYLOS: H eyrwpaikh allhleggyh poy mas eipate prin pernaei mesa apo tis paraggelies twn oplikwn systhmatwn;

PETALWTHS: H eyrwpaikh allhleggyh exei sxesh me th sthrijh twn oikonomiwn twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, otan aytes oi xwres antimetwpizoyn problhma kai otan den qa prepei na afhnontai na ginontai bora stoys kerdoskopoys.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Epeidh milhsate gia ta oplika systhmata, gi` ayto sas rwtaw.

PETALWTHS: Den milhsa egw.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Afoy dikh sas htan h synenteyjh.

PETALWTHS: O kyrios synadelfos sas anefere kati poy eipa, poy einai mia apotypwsh ths pragmatikothtas.

GARGALAKOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, pws sxoliazete thn orgismenh antidrash toy k. Pagkaloy sthn apofash poy phre h nomarxiakh Epitroph Qessalonikhs toy PASOK kai h opoia apofash einai eyqews antiqeth apo thn politikh ths kybernhshs.

PETALWTHS: Gia to qema twn metanastwn, lete.

GARGALAKOS: Nai, gia th metanasteysh milame.

PETALWTHS: To nomosxedio poy ferame gia th metanasteysh, einai ena nomosxedio to opoio exei na kanei me mia poly kalh leitoyrgia toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, mia ejairetikh doyleia poy egine, h opoia synadei me tis arxes, tis ajies kai thn ideologia toy PASOK, ths kybernhshs dhladh. Einai mia shmantikh epilogh. Qetoyme mia grammh proodoy me ayto to nomosxedio anamesa sth synthrhsh kai sthn proodo, anamesa sto xqes kai to shmera. H kybernhsh kai to PASOK, antilambanetai me ena sygkekrimeno tropo to pws prepei na einai mia sygxronh koinwnia. Gi` ayto akribws ferame ayto to nomosxedio poy htan desmeysh mas kai gi` ayto akribws to yperaspizomaste mexri keraias.

MPOTWNHS: Ara, osoi phran ayth thn apofash qa prepei na teqoyn ektos PASOK;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, egw eimai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, den eimai ekproswpos toy PASOK. Alla einai mia shmantikh kai kairia epilogh, poy opws eipa exei na kanei me thn ideologia mas.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Profanws den mporeite na anakoinwsete ean qa prepei na teqoyn ektos h qa prepei na meinoyn mesa sto PASOK.

PETALWTHS: Oxi.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Alla, epeidh o antiproedros ths kybernhshs, einai melos ths kybernhshs profanws kai exei mia apoch, symfwneite me to xarakthrismo ``hliqioi'', toylaxiston;

PETALWTHS: Egw sas lew ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws. O k. Pagkalos exei ena sygkekrimeno tropo na ekfrazetai, to exei pagiwsei edw kai para polla xronia, h oysia omws einai ayth poy sas eipa.

POLYMEROS: Mhpws yparxei qema epikoinwnias twn qesewn ths kybernhshs me to komma; Mhpws den katalabainoyn, dhladh, sto komma ti akribws qelei na pei h kybernhsh kai gi` ayto yparxoyn aytes oi ``enstaseis'' poy ginontai orismenes fores;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, milame gia mia apofash me sygkekrimenh merida atomwn mias nomarxiakhs Epitrophs apo tis ekatontades poy yparxoyn se olh thn Ellada. Ara, den mporoyme na genikeyoyme. Emeis epikoinwnoyme me ton kalytero tropo tis politikes mas, ta nomosxedia mas. Eidika ayto to nomosxedio me th metanasteytikh politikh, to opoio einai shmantikhs shmasias gia thn yparjh, thn ypostash ths idias ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, osoi den to antilambanontai einai qema diko toys to poso antilambanontai kai me poion tropo mporoyn na antilhfqoyn.

MIXAHL: Eipate oti to forologiko nomosxedio, to prosxedio toy forologikoy nomosxedioy, dinei mia proteraiothta sthn antimetwpish ths forodiafyghs k.t.l. Qelw na sas qesw to ejhs poly aplo erwthma: Pisteyei h kybernhsh oti eperxetai koinwnikh dikaiosynh kai en pash periptwsei ejisorropoyntai oi apwleies toy eisodhmatos poy exoyn ypostei oi sympolites mas apo thn perikoph twn misqwn poy anakoinwsate prin apo ligo kairo;

PETALWTHS: Qa htan pragmatika eyxhs ergo na mporoysame na poyme kati tetoio eyqews. Emeis fernoyme ena forologiko nomosxedio se sygkekrimenh xronikh stigmh, me tis sygkekrimenes synqhkes tis opoies zoyme, opoy prepei na yparjoyn esoda sto kratos. Apo ekei kai pera, prwta ap` ola to nomosxedio qa symplhrwqei, qa syzhthqei stis armodies Epitropes ths Boylhs, se mia prwimh synedriash ths armodias Epitrophs, se mia taktikh synedriash, sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio thn Pempth kai qa fqasei sthn Olomeleia. Poy shmainei oti yparxoyn polles dynatothtes na ginoyn tropopoihseis toy forologikoy nomosxedioy pros to dikaiotero, an yparxoyn kapoies aitiaseis h enstaseis. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, tis baseis tis opoies emeis qetoyme, einai baseis ylopoihshs ths koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs, poy einai para poly shmantiko. Einai baseis poy deixnoyn oti ta forologika barh prepei na katanemontai pleon me enan pio dikaio tropo. Oti qa prepei plhrwsoyn aytoi poy prepei kai mporoyn na plhrwsoyn, giati den plhrwnoyn tosa xronia. Dhmioyrgoyme mhxanismoys, mesa apo ayto to nomosxedio, oi opoioi tosa xronia - edw kai para polla xronia- den eixan syzhthqei pote, opws to perioysiologio poy eipa prohgoymenws, poy shmainei oti ana pasa stigmh qa yparxei tropos diastayrwshs, ean synadoyn ta perioysiaka stoixeia poy paroysiazei kapoio fysiko proswpo h kapoio nomiko proswpo me ta esoda poy dhlwnontai. Stoxeyoyme sthn perioysia twn off shore etaireiwn. Aytes einai basikes arxes, oi opoies einai se mia poly swsth kateyqynsh kai poy ylopoioyn thn koinwnikh dikaiosynh. Tropoi beltiwshs, safws kai yparxoyn kai mporei na yparjoyn kai mexri thn chfish toy nomosxedioy.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera sthn NET o k. Tsipras eipe oti ``o k. Pagkalos leitoyrgei ws o kako mpatsos ths kybernhshs''. Exete kapoio sxolio;

PETALWTHS: Qa mporoysa na pw oti o k. Tsipras exei katoxyrwsei ena sygkekrimeno logo. To qema einai ean aytos o logos ekfrazei kai thn pragmatikothta. Kai epeidh akoysa ton k. Tsipras shmera, ta perissotera apo ayta poy eipe nomizw oti den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

XRISTOFILOPOYLOS: Pws sxoliazete thn topoqethsh toy k. Tsipra oti den yphrje pote kindynos xrewkopias ths xwras kai oti exei sthqei ena epikoinwniako skhniko apo kybernhsh kai MME gia na epiblhqoyn ta sklhra metra stoys polites.

PETALWTHS: Makari na htan pragmatikothta ayto poy leei o k. Tsipras. Alla, profanws h den mporei na kanei mia stoixeiwdh oikonomikh analysh h den exei thn enhmerwsh kai thn plhroforhsh, h opoia einai dystyxws pragmatikothta. Apo ekei kai pera, to na prospaqei o k. Tsipras na mas pei oti h oikonomikh katastash den einai toso asxhmh h to elleimma poy paralabame den htan ayto, qa prepei na akoloyqeitai kai apo mia apotypwsh ths dikhs toy pragmatikothtas, etsi opws thn antilambanetai. Epeidh den blepw, omws, kati tetoio, nomizw oti einai poly anedafika ayta ta opoia eipe shmera kai ta leei oles aytes tis hmeres. Makari na htan h pragmatikothta. Mono ayto exw na pw.

STRATAKHS: Den sas problhmatizei, omws, oti thn idia qesh ekfrazei kai h Nea Dhmokratia; Dyo enantion enos.

PETALWTHS: Emas den mas problhmatizei. Nomizw oti prepei na problhmatisei ton ellhniko lao ayto, gia na dei tis taytiseis oi opoies ginontai apo diaforetikh pleyra. Emas mas problhmatizei h poly asxhmh pragmatikothta poy exoyme na antimetwpisoyme. Gia to pws ta blepei h Nea Dhmokratia, na mhn epanelqw shmera, giati qa prokalesw kai apanthsh toy k. Panagiwtopoyloy kai den qelw na ton koyrazw.

SEGKOS: Meta to foroeispraktiko skelos, h Komision to epomeno diasthma qa ajiologhsei kai tis diarqrwtikes metarryqmiseis toy ellhnikoy sxedioy. Se periptwsh poy sas zhthqoyn prosqeta metra sto Asfalistiko kai stis ergasiakes sxeseis, h kybernhsh qa deijei thn idia proqymia, opws kai thn prohgoymenh fora poy yphrjan systaseis gia prosqeta metra kai ta yioqethsate;

PETALWTHS: Ws pros to Asfalistiko, qa moy epitrecete pali na kanw mia anadromh. Paralabame ena asfalistiko systhma poy htan oxi aplws sta oria ths antoxhs toy, alla poy den antexei. Ean to afhname, mporei na mhn eixame ena politiko ``trejimo'' poy exoyme ayth th stigmh, alla se ligo den qa mporoysame na plhrwsoyme syntajeis. Ayto einai dedomeno. Analabame to kostos -akomh kai to politiko kostos analambanoyme- na kanoyme ena asfalistiko systhma biwsimo, ena asfalistiko systhma dikaio, xwris yperboles ws pros ta epwdyna metra poy isws qa prepei na paroyme. Ena systhma asfalistiko poy diasfalizei oxi mono to paron, alla kai thn allhleggyh twn genewn. Dhladh, na yparxei mia synexeia toy asfalistikoy systhmatos ths xwras mas, me tis kalyteres proypoqeseis kai me toys kalyteroys oroys gia toys asfalismenoys.

Emeis tolmhsame. Emeis mesa se ligo xroniko diasthma, afoy petyxame na exoyme ena dialogo, na exoyme ekatontades protaseis kai me th diadikasia ths anoixths diaboyleyshs kai diakybernhshs, alla kai me th sygkekrimenh diadikasia syzhthshs sto asfalistiko nomosxedio, fqasame sto telos toy. Se ligo, qa brisketai stis armodies Epitropes ths Boylhs. Qa yparxei atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, opws zhthse o k. Loberdos, kai mexri to Maio, prosdokoyme oti qa exoyme kai asfalistiko nomoqethma. Kai ekei emeis exoyme balei tis grammes mas. Exoyme kanei toys ypologismoys mas. Den kanoyme mpalwmata. Milame gia ena asfalistiko systhma, to opoio qa antexei kai qa einai, opws eipa kai sthn arxh, biwsimo kai dikaio. Eimaste apofasismenoi gi` ayto.

SEGKOS: Sygnwmh, epeidh htan allh h erwthsh, qa yioqethsete tis systaseis gia prosqeta metra stis ergasiakes sxeseis kai sto Asfalistiko;

PETALWTHS: Oxi. Emeis exoyme parei tis apofaseis mas.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Xqes, o yfypoyrgos Oikonomikwn k. Saxinidhs, me dhlwsh toy sthn efhmerida ``TA NEA'', kalese tis trapezes na aporrofhsoyn ta 16 dis eyrw poy exoyn meinei apo to paketo sthrijhs twn 28 dis. Ta xrhmata ayta isodynamoyn me to synolo twn xrhmatwn poy protiqetai na mazecei h kybernhsh apo tis perikopes twn misqwn kai twn syntajewn, toys foroys se kaysima, se tsigara kai pota, thn ayjhsh toy FPA kai oles tis alles perikopes. Anti na dwsete ta xrhmata stis trapezes, den qa htan kalytero na enisxysete to eisodhma twn ergazomenwn poy to perikoptetai se kaqe eykairia;

PETALWTHS: Emeis ayta ta xrhmata den kaloyme tis trapezes na ta paroyn gia na ta baloyn sto tameio toys kai na ta ekmetalleytoyn. Emeis, ayta ta xrhmata, einai ta xrhmata apo ta perifhma 28 dis eyrw ta opoia h prohgoymenh kybernhsh pote den frontise oxi na aporrofhqoyn apo tis trapezes, alla na fqasoyn ston aplo Ellhna polith gia na kalycei tis anagkes toy, gia na parei ta daneia toy, gia na bohqhsei thn katanalwtikh pisth. Emeis ayta ta xrhmata, kaloyme tis ellhnikes trapezes akribws gia na perasoyn ws roh sthn anaptyjiakh prooptikh ths xwras, giati qeloyme na yparxei reystothta sthn agora. Kai diasfalizoyme, me bash ayth thn prosklhsh poy eipate, oles ekeines tis proypoqeseis, etsi wste ayta ta xrhmata na perasoyn sthn anaptyjh, na perasoyn sthn paragwgh, na perasoyn sthn katanalwsh. Xwris reystothta, gnwrizoyme oti den mporei na yparxei anaptyjh. Kai me swstoys oroys kai proypoqeseis mporoyme na petyxoyme pragmatika thn anaptyjh kai se ayto ton tomea.

STRATAKHS: Ep aytoy. Yparxei mhxanismos poy na mporei na elegjei oti ayta ta xrhmata, ean aporrofhqoyn qa pane pros ton skopo, gia ton opoio exoyn diateqei; Giati ayto einai to megalo zhtoymeno.

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws. To kratos diaqetei, otan qelei, polloys mhxanismoys, etsi wste na prostateyei kai to dhmosio xrhma, alla kai thn kateyqynsh aytwn twn xrhmatwn, poy einai xrhmata oxi gia na ploytisoyn oi trapezes. Einai xrhmata gia na perasoyn mesw twn trapezwn, ws ena endiameso ergaleio. Oi trapezes xrhsimopoioyntai, apo ton aplo Ellhna polith, asxeta an ayto den egine mexri twra me ton kalytero tropo, giati ayth htan h boylhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias.

PAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate oti to Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio paramenei mia epilogh, an xreiastei...

PETALWTHS: Mia dynatothta.

PAPPA: Mia dynatothta gia thn kybernhsh. Qa hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: O Prwqypoyrgos, shmera, brisketai sth Boydapesth, mia xwra eyrwpaikh, h opoia an kai den einai sthn eyrwzwnh, exei prosfygei sto Dieqnes Eyrwpaiko Tameio. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw: Na ypoqesoyme oti qa antlhsei apo ekei kai texnognwsia apo ton Oyggro omologo toy se periptwsh poy xreiastoyme kati analogo;

PETALWTHS: H episkech toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy k. Papandreoy, htan katopin prosklhsews toy Oyggroy Prwqypoyrgoy. Qa exei syzhthseis me thn kybernhsh, me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Oyggarias kai qa symmetasxei se ena synedrio poy exei ws qema thn oikonomikh krish. Thn texnognwsia den xreiazetai na episkeftei kapoia xwra gia na thn apokthsei kai den xreiazetai pros to paron. Emeis, to Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio to exoyme aplws ws mia dynatothta, qewrhtika. Ayto poy kanei, omws, systhmatika o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos, einai na dhmioyrgei tis kalyteres proypoqeseis gia na paei h oikonomia mas mprosta.

STRATAKHS: Ws dynatothta mporei na teqei kai to zhthma ths apoxwrhshs; Giati o synadelfos eipe gia to nomismatokopeio. Parakoloyqeite, kaqoloy, ta diafora arqra...

PETALWTHS: Apoxwrhshs apo thn eyrwzwnh, ennoeite.

STRATAKHS: Apo thn eyrwzwnh. Parakoloyqeite ta arqra ta opoia blepoyme syxna, pykna na dhmosieyontai ton teleytaio kairo;

PETALWTHS: Poiwn ta arqra;

STRATAKHS: Se olo to dieqnh Typo.

PETALWTHS: To oti yparxoyn kapoioi, oi opoioi kanoyn anedafikes protaseis, emas den mas afora. Den yparxei, ennoeitai, kamia skech ejodoy apo thn eyrwzwnh. As qymhqoyme oti mphkame sthn eyrwzwnh, mphkame sthn ONE me qysies toy ellhnikoy laoy. Kai ekei pragmatika deijame oti otan yparxei mia kybernhsh, h opoia einai ypeyqynh kai den afhnei ta pragmata sthn tyxh ths, oi qysies toy laoy pianoyn topo. Briskomaste edw kai xronia ston sklhro pyrhna ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs me mia staqerh oikonomia kai den mporoyme na dianohqoyme ti qa ginotan an hmastan ektos ths eyrwzwnhs, ektos ONE. Ayth thn katakthsh, poy htan katakthsh toy ellhnikoy laoy, mesw ths tote kybernhshs toy PASOK, den prokeitai na afhsoyme kanenan na th diatarajei. Kai an yparxoyn kapoies fwnes arqrografwn h oikonomikwn sxoliastwn, oi opoies anaferontai se ayta poy eipate - kai ennoeitai tis diabazoyme kai emeis - einai fwnes, oi opoies den mas aforoyn.

Sas eyxaristw.

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