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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 2 Martioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 254471995

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 2 Martioy 2010

JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Einai gegonos oti h xwra mas kai oi Ellhnes polites briskontai mprosta se mia nea epoxh. Shmera eimaste sto metaixmio gi` ayto kai aytes oi stigmes einai ejairetika krisimes gia th xwra mas. Emeis, ws kybernhsh, exoyme analabei na feroyme se peras mia polyplokh apostolh kai exoyme labei mia apofash:

Na bgaloyme thn Ellada, me kaqe tropo, apo th baqytath krish sthn opoia brisketai shmera kai na thn odhghsoyme sto dromo ths anaptyjhs kai ths proodoy.

Ayto proypoqetei periorismo toy dhmosionomikoy elleimmatos kai toy xreoys. Ayto apaitei ejorqologismo twn dhmosiwn dapanwn kai anadiarqrwsh toy kratikoy mhxanismoy. Aparaithth proypoqesh, epishs, h koinwnikh synainesh. O ellhnikos laos exei katanohsei oti h prospaqeia poy ginetai shmera qa apodwsei karpoys sto mellon.

Dystyxws, xwris aytes tis epwdynes apofaseis den mporoyme na pame mprosta. Einai to megalo eqniko mas stoixhma.

Exoyme parei oloi mia idea, ti qa ginei an den laboyme twra qarralees apofaseis.

Exoyme dei pws kapoioi me kerdoskopikes kinhseis exoyn ekmetalleytei th dramatikh ayth sygkyria kai exoyn plhjei th xwra mas. Exoyme dei pws apeileitai akomh kai h dynatothta mas na orizoyme to mellon mas.

Zoyme se mia epoxh ektakths anagkhs. Einai eqniko zhthma pleon na anakamcei h xwra. Gi` ayto eimaste apofasismenoi kai o ellhnikos laos mas symparasteketai.

Emeis, ws kybernhsh, kanoyme baqies tomes. Pairnoyme apofaseis gia rizikes diarqrwtikes allages, giati qeloyme to problhma poy antimetwpizei shmera h Ellada na mhn to jeperasoyme aplws kai na meinoyme ekei, alla na dhmioyrghsoyme ekeines tis proypoqeseis oi opoies den qa epitrecoyn jana sth xwra mas breqei se ayth th qesh poy brisketai shmera.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Exw dyo erwthseis: Poy kanei bolta o k. Prwqypoyrgos kai eide toys Ellhnes polites poy qeloyn na toy dwsoyn to misqo toys;

PETALWTHS: Th deyterh erwthsh.

SIDERHS: H deyterh: Kyrie Ekproswpe kales, sta logia, oi diarqrwtikes allages. Posoi forofygades, forokleptes mphkan fylakh s` ayth th dyskolh periodo; Poy an kati antimetwpizei h xwra mas einai h apoysia forwn ejaitias kai ths forodiafyghs.

PETALWTHS: Ws pros to prwto poy rwthsate, einai koinos topos oti oi Ellhnes, o ellhnikos laos anagnwrizei thn krisimothta ths peristashs thn opoia zoyme. Kai pragmatika einai apofasismenos na kanei qysies, me dyo proypoqeseis: Prwta ap` ola na plhrwsoyn kai aytoi oi opoioi den exoyn plhrwsei pote -kai ayto einai poly shmantiko- kai deytero na yparxei fws sto baqos toy toynel. Dhladh, oi qysies poy kaleitai shmera o ellhnikos laos na kanei, na exoyn apotelesma. Kai einai eggyhsh oti ayth h kybernhsh toy PASOK pragmatika qa ferei apotelesma s` aytes tis dyskoles qysies poy kaleitai na kanei o ellhnikos laos. Ayto einai dedomeno kai to diapistwnoyme oloi, to blepoyme oloi se oles mas tis epafes.

Ws pros to deytero poy rwthsate, einai safes oti apaiteitai na yparjei ypodomh. Apaiteitai epiteloys na yparjoyn foroeispraktikoi mhxanismoi kai se ayth thn kateyqynsh kineitai h kybernhsh. H prwth proypoqesh poy qetei o ellhnikos laos sth synainesh poy mas dinei, einai epiteloys na plhrwsoyn aytoi oi opoioi den exoyn plhrwsei edw kai xronia. Kai edw -epeidh ola ayta den ginontai apo th mia mera sthn allh, oyte sthnontai oi mhxanismoi kai oi ypodomes, etsi wste na leitoyrgei to foroeispraktiko systhma opws prepei na leitoyrgei- emeis as ypenqymisoyme oti pentemisi xronia eixe dialyqei kaqe foroeispraktikos mhxanismos, kati to opoio anasysthnoyme shmera kai ayto to megalo elleimma prospaqoyme na anaplhrwsoyme.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, akomh yparxoyn peri ta 100 kena -osoi jeroyn, ayto lene- stoys foroeispraktikoys mhxanismoys, stis DOY, sta perifereiaka elegktika kentra kai paei legontas.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den yparxoyn 100 kena, ektos an ennoeite oti den allajan oi proistamenoi twn DOY.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ennow oti den plhrwqhkan oyte oi kenes qeseis. Den milame gia allages poy endexomenws xreiazontai kai alles kinhseis. Milame gia plhrwsh kenwn qesewn, poy den xreiazetai nomoqetikh ryqmish.

PETALWTHS: Egw ayto poy mporw na sas bebaiwsw einai oti yparxoyn oi qeseis oi opoies einai shmantikes gia na leitoyrghsei o foroeispraktikos mhxanismos, einai plhrwmenes kai makari na htan to problhma ekei, dhladh sto oti den exoyn plhrwqei oi qeseis. Gia mas to qema einai domiko. To qema einai oti qa prepei na ginoyn qesmikes allages, etsi wste oi mhxanismoi oi opoioi einai ypoxrewmenoi apo th fysh ths yphresias toys kai toy antikeimenoy poy epiteloyn, na feroyn esoda sto kratos, den leitoyrgoyn me ton tropo poy prepei na leitoyrgoyn, edw kai polla xronia. Aytes tis paqogeneies kai thn allagh ths stoxeyshs kai ths proteraiothtas aytwn twn mhxanismwn -kai me mia shmantikh parametro, epiteloys na jekaqarisoyme kai apo th diafqora poy kineitai se aytoys toys mhxanismoys- einai h aparaithth proypoqesh gia na mporesoyme na pame mprosta. Oson afora gia thn allagh twn proistamenwn, den mporw na katalabw, giati menoyme ekei otan gnwrizoyme oti sto parelqon oi proistamenoi twn dhmosiwn oikonomikwn yphresiwn epilegontan me kommatika krithria kai den mporoyme na katanohsoyme kai thn aitiash oti den bgalame toys men, gia na diorisoyme toys de. Dexomaste oti yparxoyn polla kena, genikws, stoys mhxanismoys, alla ta kena ta opoia yparxoyn, einai kena sygkrothshs, stoxwn kai domikwn allagwn.

STRATAKHS: Na epimeinw ligo sto qema. O Prwqypoyrgos sth Dieqnh Ekqesh Qessalonikhs, eixe o idios pei apo to bhma ths ekqesews oti yparxoyn qeseis se aytoys toys mhxanismoys poy syzhtame twra, poy htan antikeimeno oikonomikhs synallaghs. Fantazomai oti ayto poy jerei h piatsa, to jerei kai o Prwqypoyrgos. Pws einai, loipon, dynaton aytoi oi mhxanismoi poy exoyn katalabei qeseis mesw kai oikonomikwn synallagwn, na diekperaiwsoyn ayto to ergo;

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy lete kai to eixe pei o Prwqypoyrgos sth Dieqnh Ekqesh Qessalonikhs kai to antilambanomaste kai to symmerizomaste kai shmera. Gi` ayto eipa prohgoymenws oti den einai qema proswpwn. Einai qema rizikwn kai domikwn allagwn sto foroeispraktiko systhma, etsi wste oi foroi oi opoioi epiballontai -afoy epiballontai, fysika, me to dikaiotero tropo- na einai kai eisprakteoi. Na mhn exoyme to fainomeno -opws exoyme mexri shmera- ena terastio meros toy Foroy Prostiqemenhs Ajias akomh na ofeiletai. Kai gi` ayto akribws balame kai zhthmata syndesews ths akinhths perioysias - kai to eixame ejaggeilei kai thn prohgoymenh ebdomada- me toys foroys oi opoioi prepei na katablhqoyn kai den kataballontai. H kybernhsh ergazetai pros thn kateyqynsh na dhmioyrghqoyn me tetoion tropo jana kai na sthqoyn oi mhxanismoi eisprajhs twn forwn, etsi wste kai h diafqora na ejaleifqei kai kyriws na yparxei epiteloys eisprajh twn forwn. Giati ayto einai qema koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs.

MIXAHL: Xqes, meta thn oloklhrwsh ths episkechs, edw, toy Oli Ren kai twn synergatwn toy kai tis safeis dhlwseis poy ekane, oyte ligo, oyte poly mas jekaqarise oti h kybernhsh einai ayth h opoia qa anakoinwsei ta opoiadhpote epiprosqeta metra xreiazontai, gia na epiteyxqoyn oi stoxoi toy Programmatos Staqerothtas kai Anaptyjhs. Kentriko qema einai o 14os misqos. H kybernhsh prokeitai na proxwrhsei sthn katarghsh toy 14oy misqoy h ston periorismo toy; Exete katalhjei se ayto;

PETALWTHS: Einai gnwsto oti ayrio qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai qa parei apofaseis gia thn oikonomia, oi opoies qa anakoinwqoyn katopin.

MIXAHL: Apo ton Prwqypoyrgo h apo ton k. Papakwnstantinoy;

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai qema texniko, den einai oysiastiko.

MIXAHL: Wraia. Gia thn piqanh kai endexomenh katarghsh toy 14oy misqoy yparxoyn antidraseis kai entos ths kybernhshs. Akoysame xqes ton k. Kastanidh, gia paradeigma, dhmosia, mesw thleorasews na leei oti den prepei na ginei ayto kai yparxoyn alloi tropoi poy prepei na breqoyn gia na eispraxqoyn ayta ta xrhmata, o k. Kaklamanhs epishs kai o k. Papaiwannoy, palioi koinoboyleytikoi me empeiria sto PASOK, ekfrazoyn epishs th diafwnia toys. H kybernhsh lambanei ypoch ths aytes tis apoceis, mexri na katalhjei sthn telikh ths apofash;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh lambanei ypoch oles tis parametroys, etsi wste oi apofaseis tis opoies qa labei, an kai epwdynes, na plhjoyn to ligotero dynato ton aplo Ellhna polith. Ayth einai mia agwnia poy mas diakatexei oloys. Yparxei omws enas stoxos ton opoio prepei na yphrethsoyme. Basizomenoi s` aytes tis dyo parametroys, nomizw oti ta metra ayta, ta epwdyna kata ta alla metra, qa exoyn kai stoxeysh, alla qa prostateysoyn kai kata to dynaton to eisodhma toy aploy Ellhna polith.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, stis synomilies poy eixe h kybernhsh me ton Oli Ren phre diasfaliseis oti ayta ta metra einai eparkh kai oti qa yparxei politikh sthrijh poy zhtoyse olo ayto to diasthma apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh;

PETALWTHS: Aytomatopoihmenh sthrijh, den mporei na yparxei. Emeis kanoyme ta panta, etsi wste na meiwsoyme to dhmosio elleimma kata 4 posostiaies monades mesa sto 2010 kai ayto einai to kalytero mhnyma kai pros toys Eyrwpaioys etairoys mas, alla kai stis dieqneis agores gia na stamathsoyn na kerdoskopoyn. Emeis ejakoloyqoyme na zhtame aplws kai mono politikh sthrijh apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Kai h politikh, ayth, sthrijh qa epiferei kai amesa oikonomika apotelesmata.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Poios eggyatai sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh oti qa yparxei ayth h politikh sthrijh thn Paraskeyh apo thn k. Merkel, efoson exoyn anakoinwqei ta metra; 'H thn allh ebdomada qa leme pali, den peftoyn ta spreads kai perimenoyme na pesoyn ta spreads; Exei melethqei ayto to endexomeno;

PETALWTHS: H monh eggyhsh kai h monh sigoyrh lysh ws pros to na paroyme ayth thn politikh sthrijh, mia sthrijh poy qa exei kai oikonomika apotelesmata, einai na mporesoyme na ylopoihsoyme to Programma Staqerothtas, Anaptyjhs kai Anasygkrothshs, to opoio hdh exei egkrinei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Na periorisoyme to elleimma kai to xreos etsi opws exoyme qesei ws stoxo kai na fanei oti ergazomaste pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Ola ta alla, qa akoloyqhsoyn.

PAPPA: Entoytois k. Ekproswpe kai thn prohgoymenh fora poy anakoinwqhkan metra ebgainan o enas meta ton allon oi koinotikoi ajiwmatoyxoi kai miloysan gia thn anagkh epiprosqetwn metrwn, akyrwnontas sthn oysia pros tis agores ta metra poy phre h xwra. Den exei problhmatismo h kybernhsh an qa symbei ayto jana; Dhladh, exei kapoies eggyhseis gi` ayto apo thn pleyra ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs;

PETALWTHS: O problhmatismos mas einai synexhs, einai diarkhs kai prospaqoyme, me tis apofaseis poy lambanoyme, na exoyme kai ta anamenomena apotelesmata. Einai aytonohto oti oi analyseis kai oi ektimhseis poy kanoyme einai para poly synqetes kai exoyn ws kyrio gnwmona th diasfalish toy dhmosioy symferontos, toso ws pros th xwra, oso kai ws pros toys polites.

SPANOY: Exei katalhjei h kybernhsh poia qa einai h phgh toy epomenoy daneismoy;

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti o dhmosios logos peri daneismoy den bohqa. Exoyme alloys braxyproqesmoys stoxoys. Kai gi` ayto eipa oti h sthrijh poy zhtame kai h sobarothta poy deixnoyme sthn antimetwpish ths katastashs qa exei kai amesa oikonomika apotelesmata.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Oi opoies meiwseis stoys misqoys h h perikoph toy 14oy misqoy poy qa apofasisei ayrio h kybernhsh, qa metakylhsoyn kai ston idiwtiko tomea;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, anakoinwnoyme, o,ti apofasizoyme.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Nai. Den moy apanthsate, omws, se ayto.

PETALWTHS: O idiwtikos tomeas einai mia diaforetikh periptwsh. Gnwrizoyme oti yparxoyn syllogikes symbaseis ergasias kai pros to paron den tiqetai tetoio zhthma.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Na sas to pw alliws; Yparxei sth skech ths kybernhshs na yparjei prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy;

PETALWTHS: Den einai sth skech ths kybernhshs. Exoyme alloys stoxoys mprosta mas.

MOSXOBAS: Ena erwthma einai to ejhs: Zhtate synexws politikh sthrijh kai oxi oikonomikh, ws kybernhsh ennow. Sthn prohgoymenh ektakth Synodo Koryfhs, prin apo 20 hmeres, ena mhna, phrate thn politikh sthrijh. Oi agores den ypakoysan. Ti sas kanei na pisteyete oti me mia akomh politikh sthrijh apo thn k. Merkel endexomenws, oi agores qa ypakoysoyn h en pash periptwsei qa peisqoyn oti emeis kanoyme ta panta gia na pesei to elleimma. Giati o xronos einai to shmantikotero systatiko ayths ths prospaqeias. O xronos. Zhtoyme xrono. Ti sas kanei na pisteyete oti ayto qa leitoyrghsei ayth th fora;

PETALWTHS: Ola krinontai sthn prajh. Qa eimaste edw kai to epomeno xroniko diasthma gia na doyme an pragmatika qa exoyme sthrijh apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, poy pisteyoyme oti qa thn exoyme kai an oi agores pragmatika laboyn to mhnyma peri eggyhshs kai staqerothtas ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Ayto einai to stoixhma poy bazoyme kai pisteyoyme oti qa to kerdisoyme.

MOSXOBAS: Sygnwmh, h sthrijh, eipate, qa einai politikh;

SABBOPOYLOY: Na to qesw ligo diaforetika. H ellhnikh kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo thn episkech toy k. Ren, o opoios milhse gia ena sxedio poy yparxei sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Ayto to sxedio, h ellhnikh kybernhsh to gnwrizei;

PETALWTHS: O k. Ren hrqe sto plaisio twn drasthriothtwn toy. Ekane thn episkech poy eprepe na kanei. Apo ekei kai pera, einai qema diko mas apo poy qa laboyme tis apofaseis kai fysika na deijoyme sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh oti exoyme sxedio kai oti antimetwpizoyme thn oikonomikh krish me ton kalytero tropo.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Milate gia politikh sthrijh. Ean omws den thn exete opws thn qelete kai den yparjoyn amesa kapoia apotelesmata, qa ejetasete to endexomeno na paei h xwra sto Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio; Dipla qa einai, sto Leyko Oiko, molis qa paei o Proedros...

PETALWTHS: As mhn protrexoyme. Pisteyoyme oti exoyme thn politikh sthrijh. Yparxoyn, omws, polles dynatothtes. Mia apo tis dynatothtes einai kai to Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Sas to rwtw, epishs, k. Ekproswpe, ean exete kapoio sxolio, giati oi oikonomikoi symboyloi ths Merkel epimenoyn se ayto to senario, kalytera na paei h Ellada sto Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio, se antiqesh me alloys Eyrwpaioys poy lene...

PETALWTHS: Gi` ayto lew oti einai sto diko mas xeri na askhsoyme thn politikh mas. Na laboyme ekeines tis apofaseis poy pragmatika qa mas bgaloyn apo thn krish.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Dhladh, an katalabainoyme kala apo ayta poy mas lete twra kai me to klima poy qelei na perasei h kybernhsh, einai oysiastika mesa stoys tesseris mhnes kai ayrio rixnei akomh mia zaria. Isorropei se ena tentwmeno sxoini. Phgainete pairnete metra, xwris na exete ejasfalish gia to pws qa antidrasoyn oi agores.

PETALWTHS: Den mporei na exei kaneis ejasfalish ths antidrashs twn agorwn. Ayto einai dedomeno. Einai meros enos dieqnoys oikonomikoy paixnidioy poy exei ta riska toy. Emeis se opoia metra exoyme parei mexri twra se opoies sobares apofaseis, akomh kai sto Programma Staqerothtas poy einai gia emas pragmatika enas shmantikos ajonas, yparxoyn riska. Ayta ta riska kai oi kindynoi kaqorizoyn, polles fores, kai thn politikh poy qa prepei na paroyme sth synexeia, alla kai thn katastash kai thn atmosfaira poy dhmioyrgeitai sto oikonomiko pedio. Eggyhsh ek twn proterwn, se ayth thn toso reysth pagkosmia katastash kai kyriws me thn asxhmh qesh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, kaneis den prokeitai na mas dwsei ek twn proterwn.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Ara, den mporeite na peite ston ellhniko lao oti ayta ta metra ta pairnoyme kai oti qa bgoyme apo to toynel;

PETALWTHS: Emeis eggyomaste oti kanoyme to kalytero dynato, oti qa prajoyme to kalytero dynato, etsi wste pragmatika na bgoyme apo ayth thn krish sthn opoia exoyme perielqei gia toys gnwstoys logoys. Gi` ayto lew, gia allh mia fora, oti den kaleitai na diaswsei kaneis th xwra mas. Emeis oi idioi, sthn Ellada apofasizoyme, akomh kai me dyskoles apofaseis, prokeimenoy na bgoyme apo ayth thn krish. Kai h monh eggyhsh einai mia sobarh politikh, thn opoia h kybernhsh toy PASOK safws kai thn askei.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes, dia stomatos toy ypoyrgoy Ergasias, eixame thn anakoinwsh toy ``pagwmatos'' twn syntajewn. Hqela mia ektimhsh gia to ycos twn xrhmatwn poy ypologizete oti qa mazecete apo ayto to metro kai kata poso qa einai proswrino.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, o ypoyrgos Ergasias exei ejaggeilei - kai pio mprosta- to ``pagwma'' twn syntajewn. Kati tetoio egine, oytws h allws, kai to 2009. Ta xrhmata ta opoia qa ejoikonomhqoyn apo ayto to ``pagwma'' twn syntajewn, einai ena shmantiko poso. An qelete, na to dieykrinisw kai na sas to anakoinwsw. Kai bebaia, exei proswrino xarakthra. Einai safes. Einai gnwsto oti to ycos twn syntajewn sthn Ellada einai periorismeno, oti den exoyme megales syntajeis. Einai, epishs, gnwsto oti yparxei kai anomoiogeneia stis syntajeis kai mia tetoia apofash safws entassetai sto plaisio ths bohqeias ejodoy apo thn krish.

MIXAHL: Toso o Prwqypoyrgos, oso kai eseis, oso kai o k. Papakwnstantinoy, oso kai ta perissotera kybernhtika stelexh lete oti qa kanete o,ti prepei na ginei, wste h xwra na jeperasei to problhma poy exei mprosta ths. To erwthma moy einai to ejhs para poly aplo: Ayta ta metra poy anamenoyme ayrio meta th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, einai ta teleytaia metra;

PETALWTHS: Sas exw pei oti zoyme se mia reysth katastash. Einai gnwsto. Kai ta metra kai oi opoies apofaseis krinontai, ws pros thn apodotikothta toys, sthn prajh. Alla, epeidh oles oi apofaseis poy lambanoyme einai poly swsta melethmenes kai me poly kopo, gi` ayto akribws pisteyoyme oti ayta ta metra, aytes oi apofaseis, qa exoyn kai thn apodosh poy prepei.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epanerxomai sto qema toy 14oy misqoy, giati, an den apatwmai, istorika, o Gewrgios Papandreoy eixe genikeysei ayto to metro kai gia ton idiwtiko tomea. Kai anarwtiemai, an enas allos Gewrgios Papandreoy mporei na erqei shmera kai na parei ayto to metro pisw, poy eixe qespisei gia ton idiwtiko tomea o pappoys toy.

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa kai prohgoymenws oti oi opoies apofaseis lambanontai apo thn kybernhsh, einai apofaseis oi opoies -polles apo aytes einai epwdynes- exoyn kaqara proswrino xarakthra kai qa prepei na anamenoyme na tis doyme prwta.

STRATAKHS: Qelw na rwthsw. Lete oti den eisaste sigoyroi gia to pws qa antidrasoyn oi agores, akomh kai se ayto to paketo metrwn, akomh kai an qa yparjei h opoia kalych yparjei apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Mhpws ayth h elleich empistosynhs exei dromologhsei ayto poy parathroyme apo xqes; Dhladh, na exei kalesei h ellhnikh kybernhsh enan oikonomiko oiko, thn Standard and Poor s kai na ``anoigei ta xartia'' kai na ths deixnei pws einai ta ellhnika stoixeia, prokeimenoy na thn ``ejeymenisei'';

PETALWTHS: Emeis kinoymaste me sobarothta kai h sobarothta se mia dedomenh stigmh, opws einai ayth h xronikh sygkyria, epiballei sto na eimaste epifylaktikoi. Epiballei sto na eimaste sobaroi, metrhmenoi kai na epifylassomeqa ws pros thn apodotikothta twn metrwn, etsi wste na mporoyme na kanoyme staqera bhmata. Einai, omws, jekaqaro oti exoyme proypologisei poia esoda qa ejoikonomhqoyn kai poies perikoptwmenes dapanes qa apodwsoyn mesa apo aytes tis apofaseis. Gi` ayto eimaste sigoyroi kai akribws ayth th sigoyria pisteyoyme oti qa thn eklaboyn ws mhnyma kai oi agores kai oi Eyrwpaioi etairoi mas, prokeimenoy apo edw kai pera na mhn xreiastei na laboyme alles tetoies apofaseis.

STRATAKHS: Dhladh ektos twn Eyrwpaiwn qa enhmerwsete kai toys dieqneis aytoys organismoys gia ta stoixeia poy anamenete na prokycoyn apo ta metra;

PETALWTHS: Oi dieqneis organismoi blepoyn tis anakoinwseis, kanoyn toys ypologismoys toys kai den xreiazetai peraiterw ejeidikeysh.

TSAKIRHS: Eipate oti oi apofaseis poy lambanei h kybernhsh einai epwdynes kai exoyn proswrino xarakthra. Dhladh, h perikoph toy 14oy misqoy qa einai proswrinh;

PETALWTHS: Poios sas eipe oti qa perikopei o 14os misqos; Gia ayto eipa, as perimenoyme na yparjoyn ayrio oi apofaseis sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio gia na exoyme mia seira apofasewn, tis opoies qa ajiologhsoyme.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Ta metra monimoy xarakthra poy eipe xqes, o Oli Ren oti qa parei h kybernhsh gia na enisxyqei h antagwnistikothta, exoyn na kanoyn se sxesh me to Asfalistiko kai tis ergasiakes sxeseis;

PETALWTHS: Einai safes oti kanoyme mia anamorfwsh sto asfalistiko systhma. Kai ayto einai apofash monimoy xarakthra. Ws pros tis ergasiakes sxeseis, emeis qeloyme na enisxyqoyn oi ergasiakes sxeseis kai na ginoyn pio apodotikes. Kai se ayth thn kateyqynsh kinoymaste.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Qa yparjei apeleyqerwsh apolysewn h ayjhsh twn oriwn syntajiodothshs;

PETALWTHS: Den syzhtame kati tetoio. Emeis, antiqeta, yposthrizoyme tis qeseis ergasias, gia na symplhrwsw ayto poy me rwthsate prohgoymenws.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, safws, den mporeite na krinete pws qa antidrasoyn oi agores. To problhma einai allo. Mesa se ayth th sklhrothta twn metrwn ena mikro antidoto htan oi anaptyjiakes prospaqeies. Exei synaisqhsh o k. Prwqypoyrgos oti o anaptyjiakos nomos exei arghsei tragika;

PETALWTHS: O anaptyjiakos nomos einai ena apo ta nomoqethmata poy etoimazei, oytws h allws, h kybernhsh. O prohgoymenos anaptyjiakos nomos - kai eixame askhsei kritikh  den leitoyrghse opws eprepe na leitoyrghsei. Kinoymaste me staqero gnwmona thn anaptyjh, giati einai safes oti kai o Prwqypoyrgos, alla kai oloi mas katanooyme oti opoia metra kai na laboyme ean den synodeyontai apo anaptyjiakes pnoes, den mporoyn na apodwsoyn giati qa epelqei yfesh. Einai safes oti emeis apo thn prwth stigmh ayto poy kanoyme, einai na epejergazomaste anaptyjiaka nomoqethmata, ta opoia qa leitoyrghsoyn kai sth prajh kai exoyn na kanoyn me thn apokentrwsh ths anaptyjhs, me thn kalyterh ajiopoihsh toy ESPA, to opoio einai oysiastika pagwmeno kai h aporrofhtikothta toy einai elaxisth. Ta exoyme janapei. Kai ola ayta entassontai sto plaisio ths anaptyjiakhs prooptikhs.

SIDERHS: Wraia ta lete. Pote qa ginei ayto;

PETALWTHS: Ma hdh yparxoyn nomoqethmata, ta opoia exoyn stoxo thn anaptyjiakh anatajh ths xwras. Hdh ta exoyme dromologhsei.

MPEQANH: Ejetazei to oikonomiko epiteleio ths kybernhshs to endexomeno na yparjei kai ena eqniko omologo; Na ekdoqei eqniko omologo;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, ayth th stigmh, doyleyoyme gia na yparjei h sobarothta kai h staqerothta sthn oikonomia mas. Na anakoinwqoyn oi apofaseis poy exoyme labei kai qa laboyme ws Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai ayth th stigmh den mporoyme na poyme kati allo.

PAPPA: O Prwqypoyrgos, an qymamai kala, sto teleytaio tajidi sto Londino, mas eixe pei oti zhtame politikh sthrijh apo thn Eyrwph kai en toiayth periptwsei zhtame na eggyhqoyn oti an xreiastei na bgoyme sto daneismo qa daneizomaste me ta epitokia poy daneizontai kai oi alles eyrwpaikes xwres. Aythn thn proypoqesh, qa hqela na rwthsw, prin thn anaggelia twn newn metrwn, thn exei parei h kybernhsh aythn thn desmeysh apo toys eyrwpaioys etairoys;

PETALWTHS: Akribws ayth th dynatothta zhtoyme na apokthsoyme: toy na mporoyme na daneizomaste ws isotimoi etairoi me thn E.E, thn opoia safws shmera kai den exoyme kai gi ayto eipa kai prohgoymenws oti den mporei kaneis na eggyhqei to ti qa ginei me tis agores, alla me tis apofaseis tis opoies qa paroyme. Dinoyme mia prooptikh etsi wste na anakthsoyme to kapote aytonohto: Na daneizomaste opws oloi oi etairoi mas.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Me ton k. Akerman to koybentiase ayto to qema; Dioti syzhtame gia parembash sta spreads kai stoys oroys me toys opoioys daneizomaste. Ena ergaleio gia paradeigma einai h Deutsche Bank an den kanw laqos...

PETALWTHS: H Deutsche Bank ennoeitai de ryqmizei ta panta se daneismo.

MAKRYGIANNHS: ... Kapoies megales kratikes trapezes na paremboyn an dextoyme kerdoskopikh epiqesh kai qeloyn kapoioi na mas daneisoyn me 6,5% kai 7% kai mas piezoyn na rijoyn ta spreads, na rijoyn loipon ta epitokia. Syzhthqhke ayto to qema me ton Akerman; Entajei, me thn politikh sthrijh qa th doyme, alla me trapezites opws o Akerman koybentiasthke; Ti koybentiasthke thn Paraskeyh; Den sas lew gia to mellon, sas lew gia to parelqon. Ayto poy exei ginei.

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh pairnei ola ta metra. Kanei oles tis syzhthseis, kanei oles ekeines tis analyseis oi opoies pragmatika qa mas odhghsoyn se ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws: Na mporoyme na daneizomaste me ta epitokia poy prepei na daneizomaste.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Rwtw an phrate kapoia yposxesh apo ton Akerman. Egine synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Ti syzhthse me ton Prwqypoyrgo;

PETALWTHS: Sas anaferw thn apoch ths kybernhshs, ws pros ayto poy lete kai makari na htan qema enos trapezith na ryqmizei ta epitokia mas.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Egw rwthsa gia to sygkekrimeno trapezith. Den leme gia alloys.

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa.

MIXAHL: To an qa petyxoyn h oxi ta metra, ejartatai apo polloys paragontes, enas ek twn opoiwn einai to politiko klima poy qa diamorfwqei. H Nea Dhmokratia diafwnei plhrws kai sas kataggellei oti oysiastika fortwnete ta barh ston ellhniko lao. To idio kai ta kommata ths Aristeras kai arketa syndikata. Ti mhnyma qelete na steilete eseis;

PETALWTHS: Emeis apo thn prwth stigmh ths diakybernhshs zhtame th synainesh, akomh kai gia zhthmata hssonos shmasias. Einai safes oti o ellhnikos laos anagnwrizei poioi symballoyn kai poioi den symballoyn sto jeperasma ths krishs. Opws gnwrizei kai poly kala, poioi mas eferan ayth thn krish poy zoyme shmera.

H Nea Dhmokratia exei tis istorikes kai tis politikes ths eyqynes. Ara, qa prepei na katanohsei oti estw kai twra qa prepei na kineitai sta oria ths synaineshs. Ws pros ta kommata ths Aristeras, ekei isxyei oti oloi krinomaste kai qa kriqoyme kai sto mellon, gia to poios bohqhse na jeperastei ayth h megalh krish.

MOSXOBAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Prwton, yparxoyn plhrofories poy diarreoyn ton Typo, ta dhmosiografika grafeio. Qelw mia pio sygkekrimenh apanthsh, an mporeite. Qa exoyme perikoph meroys toy 14oy misqoy;

PETALWTHS: Ayto rwthqhke.

MOSXOBAS: To janarwtaw, gia na mhn yparxei ayth h metrologia, thn opoia kataggellei dhmosiws o Prwqypoyrgos.

PETALWTHS: As perimenoyme ayrio, na doyme ti apofaseis qa labei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, gia na anakoinwqoyn kiolas.

MOSXOBAS: Den to apokleietai, dhladh, oyte ti ena oyte to allo. Oyte na kopei teleiws, oyte na perikopei ena meros, oyte tipota.

PETALWTHS: Ti na sas pw, an arxizoyme kai diaceydoyme kai apokleioyme ta panta.

MOSXOBAS: To deytero erwthma einai to ejhs: Poy phgan ta lefta; Eseis proeklogika legate oti yparxoyn lefta. O k. Papandreoy meteklogika akomh, mexri prin apo ligoys mhnes elege oti ``ontws yparxoyn ta lefta'' me ligo diaforetikh fraseologia. Exete dei telika poy phgan ta lefta;

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws. Akomh kai twra emeis leme oti lefta yparxoyn sto ellhniko kratos. To qema einai oti qa prepei na ginoyn ekeines oi perikopes sta dhmosia ejoda, poy einai antiparagwgikes. Na ginoyn ekeines oi perikopes twn dapanwn, poy oxi aplws den prosferoyn ston ellhniko lao, alla antiqetws dhmioyrgoyn kai ayto to terastio xreos kai elleimma poy yparxei. Gia ayto akribws, ena megalo meros apo thn wfeleia poy qa exoyme apo aytes tis apofaseis, poy qa lhfqoyn ayrio kai qa anakoinwqoyn, exoyn na kanoyn me tis perikopes dhmosiwn dapanwn, oi opoies htan kai einai antiparagwgikes kai oi opoies, bebaia, epibarynoyn ton ellhniko lao. Ekei einai ta lefta.

MOSXOBAS: Ep aytoy. Epeidh, lete oti yparxoyn ta xrhmata. H metrologia, en pash periptwsei, poy anaptyssetai...

PETALWTHS: Eipa oti megalo meros einai apo thn ejoikonomhsh poy qa kanoyme apo tis perikopes twn dapanwn.

MOSXOBAS: Symfwnoi. Blepw, omws, oti fainetai pws antilambanetai h kybernhsh oti ta mona xrhmata poy yparxoyn einai stis tsepes twn ypallhlwn. Gia paradeigma, h forologia twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn, twn idiwtikwn ypallhlwn qa paei sxedon sto 40%, enw h forologia twn epixeirhsewn meioytai diarkws. Apo to 35% phge sto 30%. Qa paei sto 25%, sto 20%. Ayto exei mia anaptyjiakh logikh h einai, mhpws, adikh;

PETALWTHS: Etsi opws ta paroysiazete -kai den symfwnw fysika- oti gia 40% gia toys men kai meiwsh twn de, einai safes oti milate gia ta esoda. Yparxoyn dyo kladoi. Enas ejasfalishs toy dhmosioy xrhmatos kai twn esodwn kai o allos klados einai ths perikophs dapanwn. Prospaqoyme kai sta esoda na baloyme tetoia krithria, etsi wste na yparxei koinwnikh dikaiosynh sthn epibolh twn forwn, alla kai sthn eisprajh. Gia ayto eipa prohgoymenws: H mh eisprajh twn forwn einai koinwnikh adikia. Kai aytoi oi dyo kladoi einai aytoi poy pragmatika mas dinoyn tis dynatothtes na anataxqei h ellhnikh oikonomia.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Syggnwmh, koinwnikh dikaiosynh einai na meiwsete apo to 25% sto 24% ton foro gia ta kerdh twn megalwn epixeirhsewn kai mexri to telos toy 2013 sto 20% thn idia stigmh poy forologeite toys ergazomenoys; Ayth einai h koinwnikh dikaiosynh;

PETALWTHS: Emeis exoyme mia logikh: Prostasia twn adynamwn politwn kai prospaqeia enisxyshs ths anaptyjiakhs poreias ths xwras. Kai h anaptyjh ths xwras pernaei apo sygkekrimenes diadromes, apo sygkekrimenes apofaseis. Qeloyme thn ygih epixeirhmatikothta, giati an den yparxei den qa yparxoyn kai qeseis ergasias. Ara, to na paroysiazoyme ta pragmata toso aploysteymena, nomizw, oti adikeitai kai h politikh mas, alla kai h oysia ths oikonomias.

LASKARATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa moy epitrecete na epimeinw sto qema toy 14oy misqoy. Akoyga xqes ton k. Mpeglith, Yfypoyrgo ths kybernhshs, na leei xqes oti den tiqetai kanena qema gia ton 14o misqo. Gnwrizei kati diaforetiko apo ayto poy diabazoyme h den yparxei epikoinwnia, synennohsh metajy toy Oikonomikoy Epiteleioy kai twn allwn Ypoyrgwn;

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa, as perimenoyme ayrio.

PAPPA: Den mas lete tipote.

PETALWTHS: Ti na sas pw. An ta pw shmera, ayrio giati qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio; Gia na epikyrwsei ayta poy qa pw egw shmera;

MIXAHL: Prepei na synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio prwta.

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws.

MOSXOBAS: Shmera qa pei kati sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada, dhmosiws;

PETALWTHS: Sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada qa ginei politikh syzhthsh.

MOSXOBAS: Qa anakoinwsei kati o Prwqypoyrgos; Qa dwsei ena perigramma;

PETALWTHS: As perimenoyme ws to apogeyma. To perigramma to gnwrizoyme, oytws h allws.

MOSXOBAS: Egw jerw oti qa kopei o 14os misqos, loipon. To diaceydete;

KOYKLOYMPERHS: O k. Ren eyxhqhke xqes stoys Ellhnes ``kalo koyragio''. H kybernhsh exei na eyxhqei kati ston ellhniko lao meta kai ta metra poy qa labei ayrio;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh qelei na dwsei to mhnyma ths sobarothtas kai ths eggyhshs, oti opoia metra, opoies apofaseis lambanontai, akomh kai epwdynes, sto telos qa einai pros ofelos ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai toy aploy Ellhna polith.

Sas eyxaristw.

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