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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 25 Febroyarioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 253401319

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 25 Febroyarioy 2010

JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Briskomaste sth diadikasia efarmoghs twn metrwn gia thn anatajh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Dinoyme mia pragmatikh maxh, mia poly sklhrh maxh gia thn anakthsh, prwtistws, ths ajiopistias ths xwras mas. H kybernhsh me sobarh kai ychlh synaisqhsh toy kaqhkontos, ergazetai ypo antijoes synqhkes, gia th diasfalish ths aytonohths dynatothtas ths xwras mas na apolambanei ta idia pronomia kai tis idies ypoxrewseis me toys etairoys mas sthn eyrwzwnh. Ayto einai poy exei xaqei dystyxws shmera -me profanh eyqynh ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs- einai h dynatothta mas na peisoyme pws leme thn alhqeia, eite prokeitai gia politikes, eite prokeitai gia stoixeia poy paradidoyme.

Desmeythkame apo thn prwth hmera oti ayth h katastash den einai dynato na synexistei kai den qa synexistei. Kai pros ayth thn kateyqynsh leme thn plhrh alhqeia ston ellhniko lao. Den yparxei pleon xwros gia sygkalych. H xalkeysh stoixeiwn, h tropopoihsh einai makria kai pera apo thn ideologia kai to pneyma ths paroysas kybernhshs.

H kybernhsh, me th symmetoxh twn politwn, qa bgalei th xwra apo thn krish.

Se ayth thn kybernhsh etyxe na diaxeiristei thn idiaitera krisimh katastash ths xwras. Se ayth thn kybernhsh etyxe na balei tis baseis, wste na mhn prokycei paromoia katastash sto mellon, pote jana, me tis domikes allages poy ginontai kai qa ginontai se ola ta epipeda.

H kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos, Giwrgos Papandreoy, ergazontai kai gia thn epomenh hmera ths krishs, poy einai ena poly shmantiko kombiko stoixeio gia oloys mas. H qa apallagoyme dia pantos apo xronies paqogeneis katastaseis kai adynamies, se ola ta epipeda ths dhmosias zwhs, h qa ginomaste, opws kai twra, ermaio stis orejeis toy kaqenos, se kaqe krish toy dieqnoys systhmatos.

Qa hqela na shmeiwsw edw- kai exei anakoinwqei prin apo ligo apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn- oti meta apo elegxo poy dienerghqhke apo th Genikh Grammateia Plhroforiakwn Systhmatwn, egine diastayrwsh stoixeiwn gia osoys ofeiloyn sto dhmosio, me bash ta perioysiaka toys stoixeia kai thn akinhth perioysia, prokeimenoy na diapistwqei poioi apo aytoys, poy diaqetoyn akinhth perioysia, den kataballoyn sto ellhniko dhmosio ta xreh toys, tis ypoxrewseis toys, wste oi armodies D.O.Y. na proboyn sthn egkairh lhch metrwn, gia thn eisprajh aytoy toy xreoys. Den mporei ayta ta xreh na einai aneisprakta kai malista apo anqrwpoys oi opoioi safestata exoyn thn oikonomikh dynatothta, pera apo thn ypoxrewsh, na kataballoyn ta xreh toys.

Apo th diastayrwsh, aytwn twn stoixeiwn proekycan shmantika stoixeia, ta opoia prowqhqhkan amesa sth Dieyqynsh Eisprajhs Dhmosiwn Esodwn. Kai na pw oti ayth einai mono h arxh, giati to zhtoymeno einai na dhmioyrghqoyn ekeines oi ypodomes, etsi wste na mporei na ``syllambanetai'' aytos o opoios forodiafeygei. Kai epeidh aytoi oi mhxanismoi, epi pentemisi xronia, eixan adranopoihqei, an oxi katarghqei, einai logiko, apo edw kai pera  kai einai stoxos mas- na dhmioyrghsoyme ypodomes kai mhxanismoys, etsi wste na stamathsei h atimwrhsia aytwn poy den kataballoyn tis ypoxrewseis toys pros to ellhniko dhmosio, prokeimenoy na yparxoyn kai ta apaitoymena esoda gia to ellhniko dhmosio.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, akoysa th synenteyjh toy k. Pagkaloy sto BBC kai qelw na rwthsw, ean o antiproedros ths kybernhshs ekfrazei me ta osa eipe, einai oi qeseis aytes kai qeseis ths kybernhshs h einai dikes toy skeceis kai apoceis, poy bebaiws exei kaqe dikaiwma na tis ekfrasei.

PETALWTHS: Se ti akribws anafereste.

MIXAHL: Anaferomai kat` arxhn sto qema twn apozhmiwsewn apo th germanikh katoxh kai epipleon sto gegonos oti h hgesia ths Eyrwphs shmera den einai toy idioy diametrhmatos, opws sto parelqon, gia na antimetwpisei thn krish.

PETALWTHS: Ws pros to prwto, o k. Pagkalos ekane mia perigrafh. H kybernhsh, omws, qa topoqethqei ayrio. Yparxei epikairh erwthsh pros ton Prwqypoyrgo, o opoios qa apanthsei sygkekrimena gia ta shmeia ayta. Ws pros to deytero, einai h agwnia olwn mas, h oloklhrwsh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs na einai se staqeres baseis, na leitoyrgoyn ta organa ths, opws prepei na leitoyrgoyn kai ekei einai qema symbolhs toy kaqenos mas.

SIDERHS: Dhmosiografos einai o k. Pagkalos kai kanei perigrafes; O k. Pagkalos einai antiproedros ths kybernhshs kai ayta poy leei antanakloyn kai sthn ajiopistia ths xwras, gia thn opoia mas eipate oti agwnizesqe. Den qa parete qesh epi ths oysias;

PETALWTHS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos qa apanthsei gia to sygkekrimeno. Pio egkyrh plhroforhsh kai enhmerwsh apo aythn toy Prwqypoyrgoy, den nomizw oti mporei na yparjei.

LIONAKHS: Exei ektimhsei h ellhnikh kybernhsh poso einai to xreos poy ofeilei h Germania sto ellhniko kratos apo thn Katoxh;

PETALWTHS: Epitrecte moy na mhn pw shmera ayta poy qa apanthsei ayrio o k. Prwqypoyrgos.

BLABIANOS: Ean moy epitrepete k. Ekproswpe, prin apo ligo sthn enhmerwsh toy o ekproswpos toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn anefere oti pote den paraithqhkame twn ajiwsewn mas gia polemikes apozhmiwseis. Ayto den einai qesh ths kybernhshs; Ayrio qa thn maqoyme th qesh;

PETALWTHS: H ekpefrasmenh qesh ths kybernhshs apo ton Prwqypoyrgo qa anakoinwqei ayrio.

XRISTOFILOPOYLOS: Dhladh, yparxei to endexomeno na doqei h adeia apo ton ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs, giati einai qema ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs, na arqei to opoio empodio tiqetai sth diekdikhsh twn apozhmiwsewn; Giati pia jeroyme oti basei ths ellhnikhs nomoqesias, den mporei kanenas poliths na diekdikhsei otidhpote apo allo kratos, ean den synainesei o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs.

PETALWTHS: As synektimoyme, gia oles tis apories mas, oti briskomaste se mia poly krisimh kamph ws pros ta oikonomika mas, ws pros thn ajiopistia ths xwras mas, ws pros thn ypostash ths xwras mas kai ayto einai mia shmantikotath parametros. Apo kei kai pera, as mhn pyrodotoyme otidhpote mporei na xrhsimopoihqei apo opoiadhpote pleyra eis baros ths xwras mas. Gi` ayto akribws den anaferomai kai den apantw stis erwthseis poy moy qetete, oxi giati den exw ti na apanthsw, alla epeidh ayrio o Prwqypoyrgos qa apanthsei me ton kalytero tropo. Epitrecte moy na mhn anaferqw sthn ayrianh apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

MIXAHL: Epeidh eipate na mhn pyrodotoyme otidhpote mporei na xrhsimopoihqei se baros ths xwras mas, qa hqela na jerw, ean exete ws kybernhsh sxolio gia thn erwthsh poy kateqese h eyrwboyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias kai antiproedros toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy k. Kratsa sthn Epitroph, opoy ekfrazei sobares epifylajeis an mporei na pragmatopoihqei to Programma Staqerothtas kai Anaptyjhs, me dedomeno oti yparxei pantelhs adynamia kai anikanothta na yparjoyn plhrh kai safh statistika stoixeia kai oi dhmosies yphresies den mporoyn na antapokriqoyn.

PETALWTHS: Kaqe eyrwboyleyths, bebaiws, einai ypeyqynos gia tis erwthseis poy kanei. Ypoqetw, me ayto to periexomeno ths erwthshs, oti h k. Kratsa exei mperdecei to poios einai sthn kybernhsh. Kai bebaiws, prospaqei na apostei me to na kritikarei tis eyqynes ths paratajhs ths otan htan kybernhsh. Einai safes kai jekaqaro oti o ellhnikos laos gnwrizei se poion ofeiletai h shmerinh katastash, se poion ofeiletai to terastio elleimma ajiopistias poy yparxei, me apotelesma na biwnoyme kaqhmerina kai wra me thn wra tis dieqneis antidraseis ws pros th xwra mas, poy exoyn amesh sxesh me thn kaqhmerinothta mas kai me to eisodhma toy aploy Ellhna polith. Ara -sto plaisio bebaiws ths aytonomias toy kaqe boyleyth, eyrwboyleyth kai ths ypoxrewshs poy exei na askei koinoboyleytiko elegxo kai sta dyo epipeda- otan milame gia th xwra mas, gia thn ajiopistia ths xwras mas, qa prepei na antilambanomaste se poio xroniko shmeio briskomaste.

PETOYRH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, anaferqhkate sthn prospaqeia poy kanei h kybernhsh kai proswpika o Prwqypoyrgos gia thn ejodo ths xwras apo thn krish. Ta teleytaia, omws, 24wra yparxoyn dhmosieymata poy feroyn ton Prwqypoyrgo dysaresthmeno me to oikonomiko epiteleio ths kybernhshs kai malista proanaggelloyn kai anasxhmatismo. Poio einai to sxolio sas; Exoyn bash ayta ta dhmosieymata;

PETALWTHS: Den exoyn kamia bash ta dhmosieymata peri anasxhmatismoy kai fysika dysareskeias toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros to oikonomiko epiteleio. Einai kataskeyasmena dhmosieymata kai fysika den exoyn kamia ypostash. Einai safes. Qa hqela na symplhrwsw oti tetoioy eidoys fhmologies noqeyoyn thn terastia prospaqeia poy kanei h kybernhsh kai to oikonomiko epiteleio, kyriws ayto to diasthma, gia na bgoyme apo ayth thn poly megalh krish. Den yparxei kamia tetoia skech. O idios o Prwqypoyrgos einai aytos poy aporriptei aytes tis fhmes poy den exoyn kamia bash.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Eipate gia kataskeyasmena dhmosieymata. Ti ennoeite;

PETALWTHS: Oti yparxei mia fhmologia poy anaparagetai mesa apo dhmosieymata kai h opoia einai teleiws anypostath.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Apo thn proodo toy Programmatos Staqerothtas, o Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh einai eyxaristhmenoi; Kai an mporeite, na mas dwsete kapoia stoixeia.

PETALWTHS: To Programma Staqerothtas, Anaptyjhs kai Anasygkrothshs einai ena megalepibolo sxedio me prositoys, omws, stoxoys. Den einai filodojo ypo thn ennoia oti einai poly makrino kai ara den mporoyme na to ylopoihsoyme. Exei hdh jekinhsei h ylopoihsh toy, kati to opoio anadeijame kai sto epiteleio apo ta tria merh, poy brisketai sthn Ellada aytes tis dyo hmeres. Eimaste ikanopoihmenoi apo thn poreia ths ylopoihshs toy Programmatos Staqerothtas, alla briskomaste mono sthn arxh. Ayto einai dedomeno. As synektimhsoyme, bebaiws, oti se ayto to Programma Staqerothtas, me to sobaro tropo poy egine, einai dedomeno oti yparxoyn polla riska. Yparxoyn riska se epipedo makrooikonomikhs politikhs, yparxoyn riska poy exoyn sxesh me piqanes astoxies h me th dyskolia ameshs ylopoihshs kapoiwn stoxwn. Emeis, omws, ayto poy kanoyme einai na elaxistopoihsoyme ta riska poy yparxoyn, me th doyleia poy kanei to oikonomiko epiteleio, etsi wste to Programma Staqerothtas na ylopoihqei etsi opws xronika yparxei h stoxeysh toy.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: H elaxistopoihsh twn riskwn fernei kai nea metra;

PETALWTHS: Otan yparxoyn riska se ena Programma Staqerothtas, ean kapoia stoixeia toy den ylopoioyntai gia opoioysdhpote logoys  kai anaferqhka sta riska- exoyme afhsei anoixto to endexomeno oti mporei na yparxoyn symplhrwmatika metra. Ayto einai dedomeno. Den to leme twra, to leme apo thn arxh, giati ayth einai h pragmatikothta.

PETOYRH: Mesa se ayta ta symplhrwmatika metra perilambanetai kai h katarghsh toy 14oy misqoy;

PETALWTHS: H katarghsh ayth einai senario poy exoyme aporricei. Emeis ayto poy leme  kai to exoyme pei polles fores kai se ayth thn aiqoysa- einai oti ean laboyme anagkaia symplhrwmatika metra, ayta qa exoyn ws gnwmona th diasfalish toy eisodhmatos toy aploy Ellhna polith. Emeis, ayth th stigmh den milame gia metra, den milame gia alles apofaseis, milame gia ylopoihsh toy Programmatos Staqerothtas kai menoyme se ayto.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Sta metra, mhpws symperilambanetai kai h meiwsh misqwn me kapoio sygkekrimeno pososto h peraiterw meiwsh twn epidomatwn twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn;

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw oti ayth th stigmh milame gia thn ylopoihsh toy Programmatos Staqerothtas.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exete kata noy ena xronodiagramma gia to pote endexomenws qa lhfqoyn enisxytika metra;

PETALWTHS: Kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos exei pei oti qa prepei prwta na ajiologhqei h katastash ths poreias ylopoihshs toy Programmatos Staqerothtas. To ergo poy exoyme analabei, qa to fqasoyme mexri teloys. Kai sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, ayto to telos einai h meiwsh toy elleimmatos kata 4 posostiaies monades. Ayth einai h desmeysh mas kai ayto prepei na kanoyme gia th swthria ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Ean xreiastei, qa paroyme kai alles apofaseis, sto xrono poy qa xreiastei  ean xreiastei na tis paroyme.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Oi xqesines megales apergiakes kinhtopoihseis anatrepoyn toys isxyrismoys ths kybernhshs oti o ellhnikos laos synainei me th lhch epwdynwn metrwn;

PETALWTHS: Oxi, bebaiws. H kybernhsh antilambanetai kai proslambanei oti o ellhnikos laos th sthrizei se ayth thn poly dyskolh stigmh. Kai ayto to leme peran twn dhmoskophsewn, poy kai ayto einai pros epirrwsin twn isxyrismwn mas. Emeis kai me thn kaqhmerinh epafh poy exoyme me ton Ellhna polith, diapistwnoyme oti antilambanetai thn krisimothta ths xronikhs periodoy. Thn krisimothta ths oikonomias. Antilambanetai pws toy diasfalizoyme to eisodhma toy kai bebaiws antilambanetai oti oloi qa prepei na ypostoyme qysies, kata to metro toy dynatoy kai analogika me to eisodhma poy diaqetoyme. To oti xqes yphrxan apergiakes kinhtopoihseis einai kati to fysiko. O ellhnikos laos ekfrazei thn agwnia toy gia thn poreia ths xwras. Emeis aytes tis kinhtopoihseis tis blepoyme ypo ayto to prisma. Den yparxei antiqesh me toys polites poy symmeteixan se aytes.

XRISTOFILOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos sth synenteyjh toy sto ABC ekfrazei th bebaiothta oti oi ypoloipes xwres qa mas bohqhsoyn na proxwrhsoyme se daneismo me ta dika toys xamhla epitokia, opws leei kata lejh. Pws qa ekfrastei ayth h bohqeia; Yparxoyn kapoies xwres poy einai diateqeimenes na kinhqoyn pros ayth thn kateyqynsh; Kai mesa se aytes tis xwres einai kai xwres ektos Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs;

PETALWTHS: Emeis ayto poy zhthsame apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh einai h politikh sthrijh kai xrono, wste na ylopoihqei to Programma Staqerothtas kai na mporoyme na poyme, oti yparxoyn deigmata anatajhs ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Ayto mas arkei, kai ayto zhthsame. Den zhthsame xrhmata apo kanenan.

Den zhthsame xrhmata, oyte qeloyme na epibarynoyme kanenan eyrwpaio forologoymeno polith. Ayto einai safestato. Efoson h politikh sthrijh ekfrastei me ton tropo poy qeloyme  kai hdh apo to Symboylio Koryfhs, meta apo mia sklhrh maxh, yphrje mia tetoia ekfrash- kai efoson synexistei ayth, pisteyoyme oti qa anakthsoyme to aytonohto dikaiwma mas ws xwra na mporoyme na daneizomaste me ta epitokia poy daneizontai kai oi ypoloipes xwres ths eyrwzwnhs. Ayto, omws, shmainei doyleia. Na synexisoyme th sklhrh doyleia poy kanoyme gia thn anatajh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai na epanaferoyme thn empistosynh twn ypoloipwn xwrwn pros thn Ellada.

KROYSTALLH: Qa prolabete; Yparxei xronos; Giati hdh exoyme dei na ypobaqmizontai tesseris ellhnikes trapezes kai proanaggelletai kai mia ypobaqmish ths pistolhptikhs ikanothtas ths xwras apo th Standard and Poor`s.

PETALWTHS: Emeis ayto kanoyme. Epanalambanw oti gnwrizoyme thn krisimothta ths katastashs. Gnwrizoyme oti wra me thn wra -to eipa kai prohgoymenws- prepei na dinoyme kai dinoyme mia sklhrh maxh. Alla opws dinoyme ayth th sklhrh maxh gia na anataxqei h ellhnikh oikonomia, kata ton idio tropo -efoson jekinhsei epiteloys h anakthsh ths empistosynhs kai ths ajiopistias mas- qa blepoyme kai tis agores, alla kai tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs na janadinoyn thn empistosynh poy xreiazomaste. Kai bebaiws ta stoixeia ths oikonomias mas na ginontai pleon qetika. Ayto, omws, den ginetai apo th mia stigmh sthn allh. Emeis to antilambanomaste. Akribws, ayto qeloyme kai apo toys Eyrwpaioys etairoys mas: Ton elaxisto xrono gia na jekinhsei h antistrofh metrhsh, gia na apokthsei h ellhnikh oikonomia, epiteloys, qetiko proshmo kai tote eimaste sigoyroi oti qa pane ola kala.

QEODWROPOYLOS: H ayjhsh twn oriwn syntajiodothshs prepei na qewreitai dedomenh apo ton ellhniko lao;

PETALWTHS: Nomizw, hdh, o ypoyrgos Ergasias k. Loberdros  opoy ginetai mia poly shmantikh doyleia ekei- exei dwsei to stigma ths kybernhtikhs politikhs ws pros th mh ayjhsh twn oriwn syntajiodothshs panw apo ta 65. Alla den yparxei periptwsh, den dexomaste kai fysika den einai mesa stis protaseis ths kybernhshs kai stis proqeseis ths na ayjhqei panw apo ta 65, me mia dhlwsh epejhghmatikh kai analytikh poy ekane o k. Loberdos ws pros to prosdokimo toy xronoy ths zwhs twn Ellhnwn politwn.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Shmera, o k. Kastanidhs eipe, na mhn eiste bebaioi oti qa lhfqoyn kai nea metra. Isxyei ayto;

PETALWTHS: Bebaiothta den yparxei. Emeis leme oti exoyme ena Programma Staqerothtas. Me ayto poreyomaste, bazontas bebaia thn proypoqesh oti ean xreiastei, gia na meiwsoyme to elleimma gia 4 posostiaies monades, qa exoyme symplhrwmatikes apofaseis me gnwmona osa sas eipa prohgoymenws.

BITALHS: Ti na qewrhsoyme kyrie Ekproswpe oti ekfrazei gnhsia thn kybernhtikh politikh, ws pros to zhthma twn newn metrwn; Thn epishmansh toy k. Kastanidh, thn proxqesinh epishmansh toy k. Benizeloy, h thn antistoixh proxqesinh toy k. Papakwnstantinoy, gia ta metra panta.

PETALWTHS: Na meinete se ayta poy sas lew egw, o opoios ekfrazw thn kybernhsh. Ayto einai to Programma Staqerothtas, kai h ylopoihsh toy. Kai an xreiastei na laboyme symplhrwmatikes apofaseis, qa tis laboyme.

SPANOY: O omologos sas ths Germanias, Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos kai o ekproswpos toy germanikoy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, sto xqesino briefing, kat` arxhn jekaqarisan oti den yparxoyn, kata thn antilhch toy Berolinoy, oikonomikes ekkremothtes apenanti sthn Ellada, se sxesh me ta nazistika egklhmata. Kai kata deyteron tonisan oti h syzhthsh, h epistrofh sto parelqon den bohqa thn paroysa syzhthsh gia to oikonomiko problhma ths Elladas. Symmerizeste aytes tis ektimhseis;

PETALWTHS: Oson afora to prwto, sas eipa oti qa apanthsei ayrio o Prwqypoyrgos sthn epikairh erwthsh. Apo kei kai pera, omws, epeidh exei pei kai alla o omologos moy Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos ths Germanias, opws kai alloi ypoyrgoi ths germanikhs kybernhshs, ayto to opoio prepei na diafylajoyme einai oi kales sxeseis poy yparxoyn anamesa stoys dyo laoys ths Elladas kai ths Germanias, anamesa stis dyo xwres oi opoies einai etairoi. Kai an dei kaneis kai tis dhlwseis ths Kagkelarioy k. Merkel, pragmatika deixnoyn oti h Germania empisteyetai thn ellhnikh kybernhsh. H Germania einai ayth h opoia milaei gia ajiopistia pleon ths Elladas kai nomizw oti ayto einai poy proexei sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

STRATAKHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw, otan leme oti zhtoyme apo toys etairoys mas politikh sthrijh, yparxei kati sygkekrimeno h genika kai aorista politikh sthrijh. Kai hqela na rwthsw kai pio analytika. Ean h ellhnikh kybernhsh epiqymei ayth h politikh sthrijh na kylhsei kai panw se rages poy exei na kanei me ta eqnika mas qemata, poy oso paramenoyn anoixta ayjanoyn kai tis amyntikes dapanes mas p.x. Ean h Ellada einai se mia fash kai qewrei oti einai wrimo na milhsei gia eyrwpaika synora, th sygkekrimenh stigmh.

PETALWTHS: Exoyme mia ``kokkinh grammh'' sta eqnika mas qemata. Einai adiapragmateyta kai den exoyn sxesh me th dyskolh oikonomikh sygkyria poy pername. Den ta diapragmateyomaste me kanenan. Ayto einai dedomeno.

H politikh sthrijh thn opoia zhtame, einai poly sygkekrimenh kai gnwrizoyn kai oi xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs ti shmainei politikh sthrijh, me poion tropo th dinoyn h mporei na th dwsoyn, giati hdh exei ginei kai sto Symboylio Koryfhs. Emeis epimenoyme oti qa prepei na synexistei ayth h politikh sthrijh, se ola ta epipeda, etsi wste kai oi dieqneis agores na paroyn to shma oti sthrizomaste politika apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, prokeimenoy na stamathsei, epiteloys, h Ellada na einai to ``mayro probato''. Bebaia to oti eimaste o adynamos krikos ths eyrwzwnhs ofeiletai fysika sta tragika laqh kai tis paraleiceis ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs. Epiteloys, prepei na bgoyme apo ayth thn katastash. Kai ayto to kanoyme prospaqwntas na deijoyme oti yparxei mia teleiws diaforetikh politikh pleon sthn Ellada, yparxei mia diaforetikh kybernhsh, h opoia thn politikh kai th diakybernhsh ths xwras th blepei me mia teleiws diaforetikh matia.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, diabazw edw, apo th synenteyjh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, poy leei sygkekrimena: Exoyme ftasei sth stigmh toy jekaqarismatos twn logariasmwn. An qelete sth stigmh kata thn opoia h Ellada prepei na allajei kai qa einai odynhro. Hdh, dhladh, o Prwqypoyrgos milaei gia odynhres allages kai ara kai ta metra poy eperxontai qa einai odynhra kat epektash.

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos milaei gia tis allages poy qa ginoyn. Allages oi opoies - to exoyme pei kai alles fores - qa einai dikaies. Epiteloys qa prepei na afhsoyme tis paqogeneies ths ellhnikhs pragmatikothtas sto parelqon. Na afhsoyme ta bolemata kapoiwn oi opoioi den einai entajei stis ypoxrewseis toys pros to ellhniko kratos. Kai aytoi poy pragmatika qa jeboleytoyn kai qa exoyn mprosta toys mia odynhrh katastash einai osoi den einai synepeis pros thn megalh prospaqeia poy kanei o ellhnikos laos. Apo kei kai pera opoia epwdyna metra anagkazomaste na pairnoyme sth sygkekrimenh xronikh periodo, afenos men qa einai proswrina gia ton aplo Ellhna polith kai afeteroy dinoyme orama na kalytereysei kai na beltiwqei h zwh mas.

QEODWROPOYLOS: H dhlwsh toy antiproedroy ths kybernhshs k. Pagkaloy, oti sfazoyme anqrwpoys kai yphresies shmainei oti etoimazetai kai kapoio sxedio gia nees apolyseis sto dhmosio kai ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea; Th dhlwsh thn ekane sto ``SKAI''.

PETALWTHS: O k. Pagkalos periegrace me enan tropo, o opoios htan, safestata, sxhma logoy, den ``sfazoyme'' anqrwpoys kai yphresies ypo thn ennoia poy akoygetai. Ayto poy kanoyme einai epiteloys na symmazecoyme kai na noikokyrecoyme to ellhniko dhmosio. Kai mias poy moy dinete thn eykairia na milhsw gia thn dioikhsh, einai gnwsto oti to prwto bhma poy kaname - poy htan ena terastio bhma - htan na feroyme ena systhma antikeimenikothtas stis proslhceis. Kai htan o prwtos nomos poy perasame gia thn enisxysh toy ASEP. Na pernane oles oi proslhceis, pleon, sto ASEP. To deytero bhma to symplhrwnei to pws blepoyme emeis thn ellhnikh dhmosia dioikhsh, einai to nomosxedio poy etoimazei to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, poy afora stoys dieyqyntes, opoy exoyme gia prwth fora apo katabolhs toy ellhnikoy kratoys mia antikeimenikopoihsh kai mia swsth ajiologhsh stoys dieyqyntes kai stoys proistamenoys twn dhmosiwn yphresiwn.

Einai h prwth fora poy ginetai kati tetoio. Ara to prwto bhma to kaname me thn ajiokratia stis proslhceis kai to deytero bhma to symplhrwnoyme amesa - se poly syntomo xroniko diasthma - me thn ajiokratia stis proagwges kai sthn ajiologhsh twn proistamenwn kai twn dieyqyntwn. Kati tetoio egine gia prwth fora kai den einai, aplws, ena qesmiko metro. Ayto exei na kanei amesa me thn ellhnikh dhmosia dioikhsh, exei na kanei amesa me thn oikonomia kai to ti sxeseis kratoys kai polith, sxeseis empistosynhs xtizoyme emeis ws kybernhsh toy PASOK.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Perikopes qesewn qa ginoyn; Ayto sas rwthsa.

PETALWTHS: Exoyme hdh milhsei ws pros ayto. Exoyme hdh pei oti xreiazetai ejygiansh sto ellhniko dhmosio. Xreiazetai mia nea ajiologhsh. Xreiazetai na yparxei kinhtikothta mesa sto ellhniko dhmosio. Epiteloys na plhrwqoyn oi qeseis, oi opoies xreiazontai kai na stamathsoyn na ergazontai dhmosioi ypallhloi ekei opoy den prepei. Kai yparxei tropos me metatajeis, prokeimenoy na kalyfqoyn oi kenes qeseis. Einai gnwsto oti exoyme mia poly streblh anaptyjh sto ellhniko dhmosio, kati to opoio einai kai programmatikh mas desmeysh na to diorqwsoyme. Kai ayto kanoyme.

NEDOS: Apo ti qa kriqei telika an h Ellada prosfygei sto Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio; Akoyme tis teleytaies meres kybernhtikes phges na lene oti mporei na mhn einai sth proqesh mas, alla den to apokleioyn kati tetoio.

PETALWTHS: Emeis ajiologoyme thn ylopoihsh toy Programmatos Staqerothtas kai antimetwpizoyme oles tis dynatothtes poy yparxoyn, prokeimenoy na yparjoyn xrhmata sto ellhniko dhmosio tameio.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: An katalaba kala proanaggeilate ena kyma metatajewn ston dhmosio tomea.

PETALWTHS: Oxi.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Dhladh;

PETALWTHS: Den proanhggeila tipota. Sas eipa th genikh qewrhsh poy exoyme gia to ellhniko dhmosio. Sas eipa oti xreiazetai noikokyrema kai symmazema, epiteloys, to ellhniko dhmosio. Einai gnwsto oti yparxei ena plhqos Yphresiwn, Organismwn, Nomikwn Proswpwn Dhmosioy Dikaioy kai ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea, to opoio den xreiazetai. Einai antiparagwgiko. Einai poly akribo gia ton Ellhna polith. Kai ayto poy eipa einai oti qa ajiopoihsoyme toys dhmosioys ypallhloys me tetoio tropo, etsi wste kai h paragwgikothta toys na ayjhqei kai epiteloys na xrhsimopoihqoyn ekei poy prepei na xrhsimopoihqoyn.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Metatajeis, dhladh;

PETALWTHS: Nai, alla oxi kyma metatajewn, etsi opws to eipate. Opoy xreiazetai, yparxei nomoqesia, yparxei tropos ston dhmosioypallhliko kwdika, etsi wste na kalyfqoyn ta kena poy yparxoyn kai mesa apo to dhmosio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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