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Pempth, 18 Febroyarioy 2010

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 18 Febroyarioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

" Zoyme se mia dyskolh epoxh kai ayto einai adiamfisbhthto. H kybernhsh dinei kaqhmerina maxes gia thn oikonomia, kaqws einai pia jekaqaro oti h xwra mas, me thn arnhtikh eikona poy exei dhmioyrghqei, dexetai synexws kai nea xtyphmata. Prwtarxikh proteraiothta mas, omws, htan kai paramenei h aparegklith ylopoihsh toy Programmatos Staqerothtas, Anaptyjhs kai Anasygkrothshs ths xwras. Einai safes, omws, oti apaiteitai kai o anagkaios xronos gia na efarmostei kai na apodwsei to programma mas.

Ayto poy epidiwkoyme -kai to kanoyme- einai ena neo jekinhma.

Na anakthsoyme thn ajiopistia mas ws xwra kai na dwsoyme to stigma oti h Ellada exei allajei rota, exei allajei politikh. Den anexomaste kai den qa anextoyme sto mellon kamia parekklish kai gi` ayto prepei na peisoyme kai toys Eyrwpaioys etairoys mas.

Ti ginetai omws me to parelqon; H katastash poy biwnei shmera h xwra, ofeiletai sth sygkalych toy elleimmatos apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh kai ayth akribws h energeia energopoihse kai to ntomino twn ejelijewn kai dhmioyrghse baqytato politiko kai oikonomiko problhma sth xwra. H Ejetastikh Epitroph gia thn oikonomia qa arei kaqe amfibolia sxetika me to ti akribws egine kai ti qa ginetai apo edw kai pera me ta statistika mas stoixeia. Kai ayto, fysika, qa einai mia apanthsh kai pros toys Ellhnes polites poy yfistantai amesa ta apotelesmata twn politikwn ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs, alla kai apenanti stoys Eyrwpaioys etairoys mas kai tis agores.

Den stamatame, omws, ekei. Den leme, kanoyme Ejetastikh Epitroph kai teleiwnoyme. Alla, kai den sygkalyptoyme.

Ayto einai safes. Analambanoyme oloi tis eyqynes mas kai proxwrame sthn aysthrh efarmogh toy Programmatos Staqerothtas kai malista, me mhniaia ajiologhsh ana ypoyrgeio, gia na gnwrizoyme akribws poy briskomaste. Parallhla, proxwrame se kinhseis anaptyjiakhs politikhs, me aploysteysh toy diaxeiristikoy plaisioy toy ESPA, me nomosxedio toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias to opoio qa katateqei sth Boylh tis epomenes hmeres.

Exoyme pei polles fores oti to yparxon ESPA, einai ejairetika polyploko kai grafeiokratiko. Stoxos mas einai h aplopoihsh toy kai h apokentrwsh twn porwn, etsi wste na petyxoyme sto telos megalyterh aporrofhtikothta. Sygxronws, tis epomenes ebdomades qa bgoyn kai ta nea programmata toy TEMPME, me epektash stis epixeirhseis toy agrotikoy tomea kai enisxysh twn programmatwn kainotomias.

" Telos, qa hqela na anaferqw se akomh mia shmantikh prwtoboylia ths politikhs hgesias toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias. Th nea politikh gia to farmako, poy qa anakoyfisei xiliades sympolites mas.

Opws gnwrizoyme oloi mas, h xwra mas einai apo tis treis akriboteres xwres ths Eyrwphs sto farmako, me th farmakeytikh dapanh na ektojeyetai to 2009 sta 6,6 disekatommyria eyrw. Mesa sto 2010 qa proxwrhsoyme, opws ejhggeile kai h ypoyrgos Oikonomias k. Katselh, se meiwsh ths timhs 6.500 farmakwn kata 20%, me neo typo timologhshs, me bash to meso oro twn triwn xamhloterwn timwn ths eyrwzwnhs.

Dhladh, apo toys akriboteroys, qa erqoyme stoys fqhnoteroys. H politikh ayth, sto synolo ths, aposkopei oxi mono sthn ejoikonomhsh dapanwn, poy einai para poly basiko, alla kai sthn prostasia toy eisodhmatos ths meshs ellhnikhs oikogeneias.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, tis antidraseis mesa sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada twn boyleytwn sas, tis lambanete ypocin; Kai an nai, yparxei kai enas allos sxediasmos, na ypoqesoyme, se o,ti afora thn Ejetastikh Epitroph gia thn oikonomia;

PETALWTHS: Oi antidraseis, opws lete, twn boyleytwn -exoyme pei para polles fores- einai antidraseis poy diaqetoyn mia politikh aytonomia, mia aytonomh politikh skech, sta plaisia bebaia pantote toy PASOK, toy kinhmatos sto opoio anhkoyn. Einai polles fores dhmioyrgikes kai paragwgikes. Exei apofasistei h systash mias Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, xwris akomh na exei ejeidikeytei akribws to antikeimeno ths kai to xroniko diasthma. Einai safes oti ola ayta, otan yparjei sygkekrimenh apofash, qa synektimhqoyn kai oi apoceis twn boyleytwn. O Prwqypoyrgos sto xqesino ypoyrgiko symboylio ejhghse oti den pame se mia Ejetastikh Epitroph me rebansistiko stoxo. Pame se mia Ejetastikh Epitroph gia na stamathsei pleon ayto to nefelwma poy yparxei mexri shmera, oti oles oi kybernhseis einai to idio. Mia antilhch h opoia exei kallierghqei  kai oxi abasima- kai stoys Ellhnes polites, alla kai stoys Eyrwpaioys kai pagkosmioys etairoys mas. Kai epiteloys, oti me bash ayth thn Ejetastikh Epitroph, qa prepei na dhmioyrghqoyn kai kanones gia apo edw kai pera. Kai ayto einai para poly shmantiko kai na eiste sigoyroi oti to katanooyn prwta ap` ola oi boyleytes kai ta stelexh toy PASOK, h koinwnia, alla qa to katanohsoyn  elpizoyme- kai oi politikes dynameis.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pote qa katateqei, epeidh prokeitai gia Ejetastikh Epitroph; Giati sas to lew; Giati prin apo ligo, o k. Papakwnstantinoy, sth Boylh, eipe oti thn epomenh ebdomada mallon qa katateqei h protash.

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei akoma apofash gia to xrono kataqeshs ths protashs gia th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs gia thn oikonomia. Qa katateqei entos toy epomenoy xronikoy diasthmatos.

SIDERHS: Milhsate gia nefelwma, opote ayto poy eipe o k. Papakwnstantinoy se sxesh kai se sygkrish me ayto poy dioxeteythke xqes, oti o k. Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti den qa ginei ayrio, den blepete na yparxei nefelwma se sxesh me thn apofash sas gi` ayth thn Ejetastikh, oson afora proqeseis, stoxoys kai xronodiagramma;

PETALWTHS: Oxi, emeis exoyme parei hdh thn apofash -thn exoyme anakoinwsei- gia th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. Epeidh akribws, omws, den qeloyme na parei stoixeia rebansismoy kai qeloyme na einai mia kala melethmenh kai tekmhriwmenh protash gia thn Ejetastikh Epitroph, gi` ayto akribws den einai qema, oyte shmera, oyte ayrio. Efoson yparjei h katallhlh epejergasia, qa ginei kai h anakoinwsh. Qa yparjei bebaia syzhthsh kai mesa sto PASOK.

SIDERHS: Afoy qelete mia kala melethmenh, profanws exete melethsei kai tis epiptwseis poy qa exei. Exete melethsei tis epiptwseis poy qa exei sto dieqnh perigyro, sthn katastash poy eimaste, ean apodeixqei oti mphkame me xalkeymena stoixeia sthn ONE;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, einai jekaqaro  kai to leme me kaqe epignwsh- oti den mphkame me xalkeymena stoixeia sthn ONE. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Kai den xreiazontai aples apodeijeis, giati mporoyme na to apodeiknyoyme kaqe stigmh. To jerei kai h EUROSTAT, to gnwrizei kai h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai olws paradojws arxise na tiqetai twra, tetoio zhthma, aytes tis hmeres poy milhsame gia Ejetastikh Epitroph. Apo kei kai pera, emeis den exoyme na fobhqoyme tipota. H monh lysh gia na fygoyme apo ayth th mizerh katastash, me tis synepeies poy yfistameqa mexri shmera, ws Politeia kai koinwnia, einai na yparxei plhrhs diafaneia. Kai eimaste sigoyroi oti otan yparxei diafaneia, tote pleon yparxei kai mia eikona ths xwras sto ejwteriko, ajiopistias, empedwshs toy aisqhmatos asfaleias kai empistosynhs kai toy Ellhna polith pros thn Politeia. Ara, h monh lysh ws pros ola ayta einai h diafaneia kai ekei fainetai poios qa synainesei kai poios oxi.

SIDERHS: Kai mia trith erwthsh: Se ti baqos qa dexqeite na ginei h Ejetastikh; Qa perasei thn pentaetia Karamanlh;

PETALWTHS: Otan yparjei apofash, mesa apo syzhthsh, qa thn anakoinwsoyme. Ekeino, omws, poy mporw na sas pw san genikh arxh, einai oti den exoyme problhma na pame se baqos xronoy, giati den exoyme na fobhqoyme kai na apokrycoyme tipota. Ayto einai dedomeno.

MIXAHL: Sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph, epeidh exoyme empeiria pia se ayth th xwra apo Ejetastikes Epitropes, mporei na symboyn ta ejhs dyo poly apla pragmata: To ena einai, o katalogismos eyqynwn, twn politikwn eyqynwn, otan qa oloklhrwqei to ergo ths kai na prokycoyn stoixeia apo thn ereyna poy qa kanei, poy na sas odhghsoyn se parapompes sth Dikaiosynh sygkekrimenwn proswpwn, eite aytwn yphresiakwn paragontwn, eite politikwn proswpwn poy akoma den exoyn paragrafei tyxon eyqynes toys. Eiste se qesh, ayth th stigmh, na mas peite oti to qema ths parapomphs se Proanakritikh Epitroph -h opws alliws legetai poy exei allajei twra- to apokleiete oristika kai sas endiaferoyn monon oi politikes eyqynes;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, an erxomastan na apokleisoyme Proanakritikh Epitroph h apodosh poinikwn eyqynwn, tote sigoyra qa prospernoysame kai tis armodiothtes mas kai thn politikh taktikh kai logikh thn opoia exoyme ws pros th diafaneia. Emeis ayto poy kanoyme einai poly sygkekrimeno. As mhn jexname oti apo tis prwtes hmeres analhchs ths diakybernhshs apo to PASOK, o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn k. Papakwnstantinoy aneqese se mia Epitroph, h opoia den exei kamia sxesh me thn kybernhsh, na syntajei porisma to opoio qa katateqei amesws sth Boylh, pragma to opoio kai egine. Ara, amesws apokta armodiothta h Boylh. Kai me bash ayto to porisma qa systaqei kai Ejetastikh Epitroph. To na milhsoyme gia apodosh poinikwn eyqynwn einai para poly nwris. Gnwrizoyme, omws, para poly kala oti mia Ejetastikh Epitroph, otan pragmatika den qelei na sygkalycei eyqynes, exei oles ekeines tis armodiothtes poy mporei na odhghsoyn kai se katalogismo politikwn eyqynwn, alla kai peraiterw, pros diereynhsh poinikwn eyqynwn. Kai ayto an to apokleisoyme apo twra qa bohqhsoyme sth sygkalych kai tipote allo.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Hqela na sas rwthsw, lete me bash to porisma qa systaqei Ejetastikh Epitroph ths anejarthths...

PETALWTHS: To porisma einai ena stoixeio, to opoio mas odhgei kai sth systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Giati sas to lew: Giati xqes h k. Basw Papandreoy kai alla stelexh elegan, ayto to porisma na paei ston eisaggelea kai an prokycoyn eyqynes na ginei Ejetastikh Epitroph. Ayto to apokleiete h qa pate kateyqeian se Ejetastikh Epitroph me bash to porisma;

PETALWTHS: O eisaggeleas exei sxesh mono me tis poinikes eyqynes. Sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph, milame gia diereynhsh twn pragmatikwn peristatikwn kai thn apodosh h mh politikwn eyqynwn. Einai dyo jexwrista pragmata, ta opoia mporei na ginoyn, bebaia, kai parallhla. Ara, me ayth th dieykrinish nomizw oti sas exw apanthsei.

MIXAHL: Eipate oti prwth proteraiothta einai h efarmogh toy Programmatos Staqerothtas, bebaiws apaiteitai o aparaithtos xronos gi` ayto k.t.l. Oi Eyrwpaioi den exoyn ayth thn antilhch. Oi Eyrwpaioi lene: ``Den bgainei. Twra metra. Xqes''. Kai den dinoyn kamia pistwsh xronoy sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh, opws fanhke kai apo tis xqesines apofaseis toy Kolegioy twn Epitropwn. Ti qa kanete;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, prwta ap` ola, exoyme mia apofash apo to Symboylio Koryfhs opoy symmeteixe o Prwqypoyrgos, dinontas mia ejairetika dyskolh kai krisimh maxh. Pragmatika, petyxame na exoyme mia dhlwsh politikhs sthrijhs ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gia to megalo oikonomiko zhthma, to opoio dierxomaste. Exoyme ayto to dedomeno. Apo ekei kai pera, h qesh mas einai aparegklith: Proxwrame me bash to Programma Staqerothtas, Anaptyjhs kai Anasygkrothshs. Einai ayto to opoio enekrine h idia h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh mesw ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs. Einai pepoiqhsh mas, kai oxi mono dikh mas, oti efoson kataferoyme na ylopoihsoyme ayto to Programma Staqerothtas kai stoys xronoys poy exoyme qesei -o prwtos staqmos qa einai, fetos gia to 2010, na meiwsoyme to elleimma mas kata 4%, einai enas krisimos stoxos, alla metrhmenos apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh- tote den yparxei kanena zhthma. Emeis ayto leme. Qa prepei na mas doqei aparaithtos xronos apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh gia thn ylopoihsh aytoy toy Programmatos, poy hdh exei egkrinei. Kai ayth einai h qesh mas.

PITTARAS: Qelw na sas rwthsw, ean xqes sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio phrate apofash na proxwrhsete se prosqeta metra.

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kamia apofash gia nea prosqeta kai symplhrwmatika metra. Den yparxei kamia skech, shmera, gia tetoia metra. H monh skech poy yparxei einai na ylopoihqei to Programma Staqerothtas kai Anaptyjhs.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Oi apofaseis toy ECOFIN thn prohgoymenh Deytera kai Trith, stis opoies symmeteixe kai h ellhnikh kybernhsh, gia thn epibolh newn metrwn, den briskontai sthn atzenta;

PETALWTHS: Emeis exoyme labei mia proqesmia mexri tis 15 Martioy apo to Symboylio Koryfhs gia na dwsoyme ta prwta deigmata, na ginei h prwth ajiologhsh kai ekei einai o stoxos mas: Mexri tis 15 Martioy na yparxoyn sygkekrimena stoixeia oti ylopoioyme, oti hdh jekiname na ylopoihsoyme to Programma Staqerothtas. Gi` ayto akribws yphrje kai h entolh xqes apo ton Prwqypoyrgo oti ana ypoyrgeio qa ginetai mhniaios elegxos gia to pws ylopoieitai, gia na ejetazetai h poreia toy Programmatos Staqerothtas ana ypoyrgeio, etsi wste kai oysiastikh doyleia na ginetai, alla ayta ta stoixeia na diabibazontai kai sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, etsi opws exoyn dromologhqei.

PITTARAS: Eseis twra lete oti xqes den phrate apofash gia epiprosqeta metra.

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws. Jekaqara.

PITTARAS: Nai. Fobaste, loipon, mhpws erqoyn oi Eyrwpaioi prin ton Marth h ekei kata ton Marth kai mas ypodeijoyn poia metra na paroyme; Oysiastika, den qelete na eiste kai ligo etoimoi;

PETALWTHS: Emeis ayto poy leme einai oti exoyme proqesmia mexri tis 15 Martioy gia na ginei h prwth ajiologhsh. Mexri tote qa prospaqhsoyme, giati hdh ergazomaste sklhra, ana ypoyrgeio na dwsoyme deigmata kai to stigma mas oti h poreia ylopoihshs toy Programmatos Staqerothtas brisketai se kalo dromo.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dhladh h kybernhsh exei parei mia apofash na perimenei thn ylopoihsh toy Programmatos h ta prwta apotelesma kai apo ekei kai pera oi Eyrwpaioi na paroyn ta metra;

PETALWTHS: Den eipa kai oyte ennohsa kati tetoio. Emeis ylopoioyme to Programma Staqerothtas. Einai eyqynh dikh mas, ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, na ``trejei'' ayto to Programma Staqerothtas. Kai efoson ylopoieitai stoys sygkekrimenoys xronoys, den qa yparxei anagkh newn metrwn.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Ara, gia tis 15 Martioy den exete etoimastei gia kati allo, na ta parete pio nwris eseis, prin ta paroyn oi Eyrwpaioi.

PETALWTHS: Oxi.

SIDERHS: Ejartaste apo thn pistwsh xronoy poy qa dwsoyn oi Eyrwpaioi. Kyrie Ekproswpe, mia erwthsh krisews: Poios kyberna ayth th xwra; H kybernhsh toy PASOK h h Komision;

PETALWTHS: Ejartomeqa apo th doyleia poy kanei h ellhnikh kybernhsh gia na efarmosei to Programma Staqerothtas kai apo tipote allo. As mhn jexname oti fqasame se ayth th deinh oikonomikh qesh kai mphkame sto ``mati toy kyklwna'', giati katasthsame ton eayto mas -ws xwra- adynamo kriko, me basikotath eyqynh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Ean den briskotan h xwra mas se ayth th dyskolh oikonomikh katastash poy mas exei odhghsei h Nea Dhmokratia, kaneis den qa mporoyse na milaei gia epibolh newn metrwn apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Kaneis den qa mporoyse na symperiferetai sthn Ellada opws symperiferetai shmera. Ara, einai jekaqaro oti emeis orizoyme tis tyxes mas, emeis hmastan ws xwra, me eyqynh ths Neas Dhmokratias, poy katasthsame thn Ellada omhro tetoiwn ejelijewn.

LASKARATOS: Xqes to prwi, milwntas sto radiofwno toy ANT-1, erwtwmenos gia ton 14o misqo, eipate oti ``ola einai anoixta''. Isxyei ayth h topoqethsh;

PETALWTHS: Egw emmenw se ayto: Den yparxei kamia skech, pros to paron, gia kanena metro kai ayto einai dedomeno. Kai to ``pros to paron'' parakalw na mhn ermhneyqei oti qa ginei ayrio, to jekaqarizw. Alla gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti briskomaste se mia dyskolh oikonomikh katastash. Yparxei mia terastia reystothta, h opoia hmera me thn hmera mas fernei kai se mia diaforetikh katastash.

Isxyei omws h desmeysh kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn oti qa prostateysoyme to eisodhma toy mesoy Ellhna polith. Kai ayto qa to kanoyme pash qysia.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, para tayta, kaqe brady sta deltia eidhsewn kai genika se ola ta MME, proanaggellontai kai malista osonoypw, nea sklhra metra poy qa elega oti tromokratoyn th koinh gnwmh, ta noikokyria. Ti ginetai me ayth thn katastash; Gnwrizoyn kati ta MME poy eseis den gnwrizete;

PETALWTHS: Den nomizw giati apo kapoia MME, ta opoia pragmatika dhmioyrgoyn ena klima senariologias, akoysame oti kai sto xqesino atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio eixe etoimastei na egkriqei mia nea desmh metrwn, poy omws den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Emeis, ayta poy leme einai apofasismena, einai melethmena, yparxei sxedio, yparxei taktikh me strathgikoys stoxoys kai ta senaria ta opoia kykloforoyn apo edw kai apo ekei den exoyn, tis perissoteres fores, thn paramikrh alhqh ypostash.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, phgainei o Prwqypoyrgos shmera sto Londino, an den kanw laqos qa exei kai mia epafh me ton Bretano omologo toy. Hqela na sas rwthsw ean exei ypoch toy na qesei pro twn eyqynwn toy ton Bretano Prwqypoyrgo gia ta eji xrhmatopistwtika idrymata, ta opoia fainontai na kerdoskopoyn enantion mas.

PETALWTHS: Aytes oi syzhthseis gia ta eji, opws eipate, kerdoskopika grafeia, einai syzhthseis, oi opoies ginontai se eyrwpaiko epipedo apo ypoyrgoys allwn eyrwpaikwn xwrwn. Emeis parakoloyqoyme, den mporoyme na paroyme qesh ayth th stigmh. Ayto poy gnwrizoyme, opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, einai oti katasthsame th xwra mas, me eyqynh ths Neas Dhmokratias, adynamo kriko. Ara einai dikh mas eyqynh, ths shmerinhs kybernhshs toy PASOK na apokatasthsei thn ajiopistia mas, etsi wste na mhn afhnoyme periqwrio se kanena kerdoskopiko grafeio kai se kanenan kerdoskopo se olh thn yfhlio, na ekmetalleyetai ayth thn reysth katastash poy exei dhmioyrghqei sthn Ellada.

XRISTOFILOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h k. Lagkart den einai h opoiadhpote analyths. Ekane sygkekrimenes kataggelies. Kai malista milhse gia sygkekrimenoys kerdoskopikoys organismoys. Ta stoixeia ayta ta exei h xwra mas; Exoyme zhthsei na mas ta dwsei;

PETALWTHS: Egw xwris na mpainw se leptomereies gia tis dhlwseis ths k. Lagkart - hdh tis exoyme parakoloyqhsei - gia ayto eipa prohgoymenws oti den einai dhlwseis mono analytwn, einai dhlwseis ypoyrgwn oikonomikwn twn etairwn mas. Ayto poy mporw na pw, omws, shmera einai oti dikaiwnomaste sthn ektimhsh mas oti yparxei kerdoskopia. Sthn ektimhsh mas oti sygkekrimena kerdoskopika kentra exoyn balei sto stoxastro thn Ellada kai kyriws einai dikaiwsh mas to oti ayto to problhma, mporei na einai basiko problhma ths Elladas shmera, alla pairnei kai exei apo thn arxh kai eyrwpaikes diastaseis. Kai aytes tis eyrwpaikes diastaseis, akribws tis edwse o Prwqypoyrgos sto Symboylio Koryfhs kai pros synadelfoys toy Prwqypoyrgoys twn allwn eyrwpaikwn xwrwn. Kai emmenoyme sto oti h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh qa prepei etsi na antimetwpisei kai to ellhniko zhthma ws kyriarxo eyrwpaiko zhthma.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe. Wraia. Tis eji trapezes mporei na tis gnwrizete. Mporei na mh mas tis peite h den qelete na mas tis peite. Ayto poy skeftomai einai oti otan qa xreiastei na daneistoyme to epomeno diasthma, qa tis apokleisoyme apo ayto ton daneismo;

PETALWTHS: Einai teleiws ypoqetiko, an xreiastei na daneistoyme kai apo poioys qa daneistoyme.

MPOTWNHS: Oi Ispanoi, k. Ekproswpe, aneqesan stis mystikes yphresies gia na broyn ti krybetai pisw apo toys kerdoskopoys, kai poioi einai pisw apo paragontes, proswpa kai organismoys. Eseis qa yioqethsete kati tetoio; Pros to symferon ths xwras, panta, to ekane kai h Ispania.

PETALWTHS: Kai emeis exoyme hdh kanei tis ektimhseis mas kai mas arkoyn.

POLYMEROS: Twra poy h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh phre pisw th synainetikh stash poy kratoyse apenanti sthn kybernhsh, ti qa kanei h kybernhsh xwris th synainesh ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap ola den gnwrizoyme, ean exei ypoxwrhsei h Nea Dhmokratia kai o k. Samaras apo th synainesh se ayth th dyskolh oikonomikh kai politikh stigmh thn opoia zoyme. Emeis stoxeyoyme kai apo th prwth stigmh kaloysame se eyrytath koinwnikh synainesh alla kai synainesh olwn twn politikwn dynamewn kai ekei krinetai kai istorika poios pragmatika ``bazei plath'' sto na jeperastei ayth h krish. H ND exei terastia eyqynh ws pros th synainesh poy qa prepei na parexei, giati me th dikh ths terastia eyqynh ftasame se ayto to shmeio. Briskomaste se stigmes opoy pleon grafetai istoria. Se stigmes opoy einai eqniko zhthma to na jeperasoyme th krish. Ara qa prepei na analogistei h kaqe politikh dynamh kai na analogistei oxi pros thn kybernhsh, alla pros ton ellhniko lao ti stash krataei, etsi wste ayrio me to jeperasma ths krishs, giati safws kai qa jeperastei h krish, na mporei o kaqenas na kanei kai thn aytokritikh toy.

MPOTWNHS: O k. Abramopoylos eipe oti me ayth thn apofash sas gia th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, dixazete toys polites kai dynamitizete th synainesh. Exete kapoio sxolio;

PETALWTHS: O k. Abramopoylos, as mhn jexname, oti htan basikos Ypoyrgos ths Neas Dhmokratias poy mas efere se ayto to shmeio. Kai malista htan Ypoyrgos Ygeias, poy gnwrizoyme poly kala ti xreh sysswreyse sta ellhnika nosokomeia. Ara qa prepei prwta, kapoioi eidika poy htan ypoyrgoi ths Neas Dhmokratias, na to skeftontai poly perissotero protoy milhsoyn.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Na epanelqw ligo stis apofaseis toy ECOFIN. Oi apofaseis toy ECOFIN gia th lhch newn metrwn poy synypegrace kai o k. Papakwnstantinoy, desmeyoyn h oxi thn ellhnikh kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh desmeyetai apo tis ypoxrewseis ths ws pros thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, alla desmeyetai kai apo thn yposxesh ths kai apo to Programma Staqerothtas kai Anaptyjhs. Emeis ayth th stigmh qewroyme oti h megalh desmeysh mas einai ayth kai to megalo stoixhma einai na ylopoihsoyme to Programma, poy hdh exoyme kataqesei kai exei egkrinei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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