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Deytera, 25 Ianoyarioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 248029043

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 25 Ianoyarioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri kai kalh ebdomada.

Shmera sto Zappeio koryfwnetai o eqnikos dialogos gia ta megala kai xronia problhmata twn agrotwn. Enas dialogos oysiastikos gia to paron kai to mellon toy Ellhna agroth, gia to paron kai to mellon ths agrotikhs oikonomias. Bazoyme to agrotiko zhthma sto epikentro ths politikhs kai paroysiazoyme ajones politikwn, poy se synergasia me ton agrotiko kosmo, qa apotelesoyn tomh gia to mellon ths paragwghs kai ths dianomhs twn agrotikwn proiontwn.

Antiqeta me thn eykairiakh kai parelkystikh antimetwpish twn agrotwn apo thn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias -ta teleytaia eji xronia- poy odhghse se proxeires taktopoihseis, oikonomikes ekkremothtes me katastrofikes synepeies gia ton Ellhna agroth -na anaferqw kai sto perifhmo paketo Xatzhgakh, gia to opoio h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph mas oxlei akomh- emeis apo thn prwth hmera ths diakybernhshs toy topoy, synepeis stis desmeyseis mas kai me ychlo aisqhma koinwnikhs eyqynhs, deijame tis proqeseis mas apenanti ston agrotiko kosmo. Kai malista en mesw mias sobarotaths oikonomikhs krishs poy biwnei mexri kai shmera h xwra mas.

Stekomaste, wstoso, apenanti se morfes kinhtopoihshs poy blaptoyn toys idioys toys aploys agrotes, jeqwriazoyn ta dikaia aithmata toys, blaptoyn thn koinwnikh synoxh, ypoqhkeyoyn thn oikonomia kai telika trefoyn mia idiaitera asxhmh eikona gia th xwra mas dieqnws. Osoi agrotes katafeygoyn se aytes tis morfes kinhtopoihshs, kaloyntai na apanthsoyn stoys synadelfoys toys: Ajizoyn oi agrotes proskaires ethsies elehmosynes poy maqhmatika qa toys janabgaloyn stoys dromoys toy xronoy tetoia epoxh, h mia dikaih diaxronikh kai makropnoh lysh twn yparktwn problhmatwn toys, mesa apo ena oysiastiko kai eilikrinh dialogo;

Kai milame, bebaia, gia o,ti exoyme kanei mexri shmera, gia tis desmeyseis mas stis opoies eimaste synepeis kai exoyme proxwrhsei hdh mesa stoys treis prwtoys mhnes, sthn ylopoihsh toys. Kai milame, bebaia: Gia thn ayjhsh ths epistrofhs toy FPA apo 7% se 11% kai malista gia to 2009 exei eggrafei kai sxetiko kondylio, ycoys 150 ekatommyriwn eyrw, ston Proypologismo toy 2010. Gia proodeytikh ayjhsh ths agrotikhs syntajhs, gia kinhtopoihsh toy baltwmenoy apo to 2004 programmatos ``ALEJANDROS MPALTATZHS'', thn entajh twn agrotwn mas stis eynoikes diatajeis toy TEMPME, alla kai stis ryqmiseis gia ton ``TEIRESIA''.

Gia to teleytaio, malista, qa hqela na ypenqymisw oti hdh, opws exei anakoinwqei, brisketai se leitoyrgia h thlefwnikh grammh enhmerwshs toy koinoy gia ola ta qemata poy aptontai ths efarmoghs toy nomoy sxetika me ton ``TEIRESIA'', qemata gia th ryqmish twn epaggelmatikwn kai epixeirhmatikwn ofeilwn, etsi wste oloi oi polites na einai plhrws enhmerwmenoi.

Stis pragmatikes anagkes, loipon, twn agrotwn, apantame me oysiastiko kai makropnoo sxedio kai oxi me eykairiakes, epidomatikes politikes kai proskaira mpalwmata poy apla diaiwnizoyn paqogeneies pollwn dekaetiwn. Proxwrame, mesa apo ena eilikrinh, xwris proapaitoymena, dialogo se diarqrwtikes allages. Gia thn ejomalynsh ths leitoyrgias ths agrotikhs agoras kai ths dikaihs gia oloys rohs twn agrotikwn proiontwn, apo ton paragwgo ews ton teliko katanalwth. Gia thn anasygkrothsh toy syndikalistikoy kinhmatos, wste na mporei me isxyrh fwnh kai syllogika kai antiproswpeytika na diaboyleyetai o agroths, na diekdikei kai na synomilei isotima me thn Politeia. Gia thn anadiarqrwsh toy ELGA, wste o agroths na apozhmiwnetai egkaira, antikeimenika, me diafaneia kai ajiopistia.

Eimaste h kybernhsh, eimaste h paratajh poy efere toys agrotes sto proskhnio kai shmera toys kaloyme gia ena neo symbolaio. Qeloyme na askhsoyme politikh tomwn kai rhjewn, mazi me toys agrotes, oxi apenanti toys, mesa apo isotimo dialogo. Gi` ayto to kalesma mas einai diarkes kai eilikrines kai malista se mia toso asxhmh oikonomikh sygkyria.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate oti stekeste apenanti stis morfes kinhtopoihshs poy blaptoyn thn koinwnikh synoxh klp. Dhladh, apenanti sta mploka kai ta trakter stoys dromoys. Pws qa antimetwpisete, loipon, ean synexistoyn, poy ap` o,ti fainetai qa synexistoyn, ayta ta mploka; Qa perioristeite aplws se mia politikh katadikh h qa xrhsimopoihsete kai alla mesa ws kybernhsh kai armodia;

PETALWTHS: Den syzhtame gia alla mesa. O dialogos exei hdh jekinhsei kai koryfwnetai, shmera kai ayrio. Emeis exoyme pei epaneilhmmenws tis qeseis mas apenanti stoys agrotes, apenanti sto megalo agrotiko zhthma. Exoyme kalesei kai kaloyme se dialogo, o opoios kai ayth th stigmh exei jekinhsei, alla kai se diarkh dialogo kai pisteyoyme oti qa antilhfqoyn oloi kai kyriws oi agrotes, oti einai wra eyqynhs gia oloys. Oloi exoyme thn ypoxrewsh na synaisqanqoyme thn eyqynh mas, na synaisqanqoyme se poia oikonomikh sygkyria briskomaste kai pisteyoyme oti oi agrotes poy kanoyn tis kinhtopoihseis aytes, telika qa to antilhfqoyn.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Na epimeinw kyrie Ekproswpe: Kai an den to antilhfqoyn, giati fainetai eginan prospaqeies. Xqes, h k. Mpatzelh eide ta mploka, dhladh, toys anqrwpoys poy briskontai sta mploka, toys ekproswpoys toys, shmera yparxei enas dialogos apo ton opoio apoysiazoyn para polloi...

PETALWTHS: Symmetexoyn polloi omws...

MAKRYGIANNHS: Symmetexoyn polloi, alla aytoi poy kanoyn ta mploka, den symmetexoyn, opote, ean den filotimhqoyn, opws antilambanomai oti apeyqyneste sto filotimo toys, den exei sxedio B h kybernhsh; Den skeftetai na xrhsimopoihsei alla mesa; Den exei sth diaqesh ths alla mesa h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh kai to kratos einai kybernhsh kai kratos. Se ayth th fash milame gia dialogo. Shmera jekinhse aytos o dialogos kai den mporoyme na milame gia alla mesa.

MOYRELATOS: Eipate oti se ayth th fash h kybernhsh milaei mono gia dialogo. Yparxei kai epomenh fash dhladh; Dhladh, apokleiete rhta to endexomeno, etsi, pio dynamikhs parembashs apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs, gia na stamathsoyn ta mploka;

PETALWTHS: Ti ennoeite ``pio dynamikhs'';

MOYRELATOS: Pio dynamikhs parembashs.

PETALWTHS: Dynamikh parembash, oytws h allws ginetai apo thn kybernhsh olo ayto to xroniko diasthma. Pisteyoyme oti oi agrotes qa synaisqanqoyn tis eyqynes toys, qa stamathsoyn ta mploka kai aytoy toy eidoys oi kinhtopoihseis, etsi wste na yparjei koinwnikh eirhnh kai malista, se ayto to dyskolo stadio gia th xwra mas.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Kaleite toys agrotes se dialogo, alla xqes h ypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, se mia synenteyjh ths sto ``BHMA'', apokalese toys agrotes poy briskontai stoys dromoys kai sta mploka, trampoykoys poy apeiloyn kai ekbiazoyn, axtarmas poy aggizei ta oria toy anarxosyndikalismoy, synonqyleyma xwris eparkh nomimopoihsh, anqrwpoys me cyxologika problhmata, poy o paralogismos toys den exei oria, anqrwpoi poy trelainontai gia dhmosiothta kai perifronoyn thn politikh hgesia. Poioys kaleite se dialogo;

PETALWTHS: Kaloyme se dialogo toys agrotes ths xwras mas, oi opoioi antimetwpizoyn ontws sobarotata problhmata. Synaisqanomaste kai symmerizomaste thn agwnia toys, gi` ayto akribws kaloyme se dialogo gia na lyqoyn ta megala agrotika problhmata. Twra, ayta poy moy lete, prwta ap` ola, den einai synenteyjh. Den qa sxoliasw ena arqro kapoias efhmeridas. H ypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs k. Mpatzelh deixnei me th doyleia ths kai thn epimonh ths apo thn prwth stigmh poy anelabe ayto to shmantikotato ypoyrgeio kai thn politikh eyqynh gia thn askhsh ths agrotikhs politikhs, oti kai sxedio diaqetei, ekproswpwntas thn kybernhsh fysika kai mia seira apo zhthmata poy htan xronia, hdh ta exei anoijei kai ta anoigoyme ws kybernhsh, kai mia seira apo eyergethmata poy exoyn na kanoyn me ta leitoyrgika ejoda twn agrotwn, hdh ta exoyme ryqmisei. Ara, nomizw oti h kalyterh apanthsh einai h politikh poy exoyme askhsei edw kai treis mhnes, mia politikh, h opoia einai qetikotath gia toys Ellhnes agrotes.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Sygnwmh, den prokeitai gia arqra. H k. Mpatzelh eipe oti prokeitai gia synomilia idiwtikh me to dhmosiografo poy egrace to arqro.

PETALWTHS: Egw sas analyw, poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs kai h qesh ths kybernhshs einai ayth.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, polla qerma logia akoysa apo esas gia thn k. Mpatzelh. Giati niwqete thn anagkh na th sthrijete; Yparxei kapoia idiaiterh anagkh;

PETALWTHS: Kamia anagkh sthrijhs. O kaqe ypoyrgos ekfrazei armodiws thn politikh ths kybernhshs kai einai ypeyqynos gia thn askhsh ths politikhs ths kybernhshs sto diko toy tomea.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Qa kanete mhnysh sto ``BHMA'';

PETALWTHS: Jerete kapoia plhroforia;

QEODWROPOYLOS: Oxi, giati h k. Mpatzelh, eipate oti einai ena arqro kai oxi mia synenteyjh.

PETALWTHS: Exei pei kati h k. Mpatzelh gia mhnysh;

QEODWROPOYLOS: Oxi, lew an skeftetai h kybernhsh na kanei.

PETALWTHS: Oxi.

PITTARAS: Gia ton ypoloipo kosmo qa kanete kati; Ayth th stigmh deixnete mia diallaktikothta apenanti stoys agrotes, toys opoioys profanws ypologizete kai deixnete na mhn ypologizete ton ypoloipo kosmo o opoios talaipwreitai. Malista, shmera, ekleisan kai mia sidhrodromikh grammh ston Promaxwna. Gia ton ypoloipo kosmo ti qa kanete;

PETALWTHS: Emeis exoyme mia logikh oti askoyme sobarh kai staqerh politikh. Ontws apo tetoioy eidoys kinhtopoihseis, opws einai ta mploka h to kleisimo twn synorwn, dhmioyrgeitai mia koinwnikh aytomatopoihsh, poy shmainei oti kapoies epaggelmatikes omades kai kapoies tajeis briskontai apenanti se kapoies alles. Akribws ayto qeloyme na apofygoyme, otan miloyme gia koinwnikh synoxh. Oi agrotes einai megalo kai sobaro meros ths koinwnias mas. Kai gi` ayto, akribws, blepoyme to agrotiko zhthma mesa apo mia antimetwpish me koinwnika krithria. Kai gi` ayto leme, akribws, oti afora olh thn koinwnia. Ayth einai h optikh mas. Kai otan asxoloymaste me toys agrotes safws kai lambanoyme ypoch mas th sobarotath parametro ths koinwnikhs synoxhs. Den qeloyme na baloyme mia omada plhqysmoy h mia koinwnikh epaggelmatikh tajh apenanti se mia allh. Gi` ayto akribws eimaste synetoi sth diaxeirish kai aytoy toy zhthmatos me ta mploka kai me to kleisimo synorwn. Apeyqynomenoi, omws, stoys agrotes aytoys kai legontas oti qa prepei na stamathsoyn aytoy toy eidoys oi kinhtopoihseis, giati dhmioyrgoyntai akribws tetoia zhthmata koinwnikoy aytomatismoy.

MIXAHL: H olh katastash ths oikonomias edwse thn aformh ston k. Papandreoy, prin apo ligo kairo, na milhsei, metaforika endexomenws, oti mporei na amfisbhteitai ena kyriarxiko dikaiwma ths xwras sthn askhsh ths oikonomikhs politikhs, etsi opws exei ejelixqei h katastash kai diapistwnetai stis synomilies me toys ajiwmatoyxoys twn Bryjellwn. Ti apantate se aytoys poy lene oti twra o idios ekxwrei, ekxwrhse mallon, ena kyriarxiko dikaiwma, epitrepontas sto Boylgaro prwqypoyrgo na synomilhsei me toys Ellhnes agrotes ston Promaxwna.

PETALWTHS: Einai dyo anomoia pragmata. Gnwrizoyme poly kala ti shmainei ekxwrhsh eqnikhs kyriarxias. Kai malista, otan elege o Prwqypoyrgos oti apeileitai h eqnikh kyriarxia, htan safes oti ennooyse oti ean den exoyme mia sobarh politikh apenanti sthn oikonomia, tote kapoioi alloi qa erxontai kai qa mas epiballoyn lyseis. Ayto hdh, mesa se treis mhnes to exoyme anatajei. Exoyme antistrecei to arnhtikotato klima poy yparxei sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, eidika kai to klima anajiopistias kai akribws ekei h kaqe kybernhsh dinei tis ejetaseis. Den symfwnw oti yparxei qema eqnikhs kyriarxias me ayto poy egine me to Boylgaro Prwqypoyrgo. Htan mia ejelijh, h opoia htan apotelesma aytwn twn kinhtopoihsewn, aytoy toy mplokarismatos sta synora kai elpizoyme oti qa yparxei lysh kai ws pros ayto gia na mhn yparxoyn tetoioy eidoys katastaseis.

MIXAHL: Apo th stigmh poy h k. Mpatzelh diaqetei sxedio kai exei anoijei xronia zhthma toy agrotikoy xwroy kai exei dwsei kai kapoia eyergethmata, pws ektimate tote to gegonos oti dexetai epikriseis apo boyleytes toy PASOK gia toys xeirismoys ths kai apo kybernhtika stelexh poy kratoyn apostaseis;

PETALWTHS: Den nomizw oti yparxoyn kybernhtika stelexh poy kratoyn apostaseis apo thn k. Mpatzelh. Sas eipa prohgoymenws oti h kybernhsh dra syllogika. Oi boyleytes ekfrazoyn thn agwnia twn perifereiwn toys gia ta megala agrotika zhthmata, gia thn epibiwsh toy agroth ths perifereias toys. Kai ayto einai logiko, anamenomeno, qemito kai emeis ws dhmokratiko komma kai ws dhmokratikh kybernhsh qeloyme akribws th symmetoxh toys, etsi wste na anadeiknyontai ta megala problhmata. Twra, to an yparxei sxedio, nomizw oti shmera osoi metexoyn sto dialogo, sto Zappeio, qa exoyn thn eykairia na doyn kai toys oxtw basikoys ajones, poy einai symplhrwmena kai oloklhrwmena keimena pros diaboyleysh, etsi wste na ginoyn kai nomoqethmata toy ellhnikoy kratoys. Ara, erxomaste me to sxedio kai malista me ena sxedio plhres poy deixnei kai thn politikh mas sta agrotika zhthmata.

KALARRYTHS: O k. (den akoygetai) boyleyths toy PASOK poy eipe oti kai ta mploka kai aytoy toy eidoys oi kinhtopoihseis einai mia morfh palhs. Ekfrazei, nomizete, thn agwnia toy gia toys agrotes ths perifereias toy; Symfwneite me thn topoqethsh toy;

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw oti oi boyleytes exoyn thn aytonomia toys mesa sto komma, exoyn th dikh toys apoch, exoyn tis dikes toys parastaseis. Kai bebaia, epanalambanw oti emeis zhtame th symmetoxh twn boyleytwn. Kai ayto ginetai. Gi` ayto, akribws, mesa apo prwtofaneis diadikasies, oi ypoyrgoi syskeptontai kai syzhtoyn prin akomh erqoyn sthn epifaneia polla zhthmata sta KTE, stoys Koinoboyleytikoys Tomeis Ergasias, giati pisteyoyme sth symmetoxh twn boyleytwn.

STRATAKHS: H kybernhsh kalei synexws toys agrotes se dialogo, alla exei wstoso orioqethqei, xronika toylaxiston, gia to Zappeio, shmera kai ayrio. Edw stamataei to periqwrio dialogoy h qa dwsete kai mia synexeia sto dialogo; Otan lete, dhladh, ``dialogo'', stamataei entos toy dihmeroy sto Zappeio;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, mexri twra, exoyme kalesei oloys toys agrotes, oloys toys foreis poy exoyn sxesh me to agrotiko zhthma, na proselqoyn sto dialogo. Shmera kai ayrio, sto Zappeio, meta apo endelexeis ergasies kai diergasies, qa yparxoyn syzhthseis, problhmatismoi panw se shmantika zhthmata. Qa yparxoyn kapoia symperasmata panw se aytoys toys oxtw basikoys ajones poy exei balei to ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs ws ajones syzhthshs. O dialogos, omws, me toys agrotes den stamata edw. Den stamata shmera kai ayrio. Kai milame gia oloys toys agrotes kai oxi ep` eykairia twn kinhtopoihsewn. Gi` ayto exoyme pei, polles fores, oti o dialogos poy zhtame einai diarkhs, einai pagios kai ana pasa stigmh kalodexoymenos, etsi wste pragmatika na bgaloyme ekeines tis politikes, oi opoies qa epilyoyn ta agrotika qemata.

STRATAKHS: Epeidh kata kairoys exoyn akoystei diafora gia to poioi dikaioyntai epidothseis, poioi pairnoyn epidothseis kai to ycos twn epidothsewn kai oti aytes katanemontai symfwna me alla krithria h polles fores kai me alla krithria, skeftetai h kybernhsh na efarmosei ayto poy efarmose gia tis dhmosies dapanes kai gia tis epidothseis; Dhladh, na anartwntai kai onomata kai posa poy diatiqentai kai se perifereies, alla kai se sygkekrimenoys agrotes;

PETALWTHS: Emeis exoyme mia logikh ``ola sto fws'' kai mesa apo th diafaneia, poy thn efarmozoyme se oloys toys tomeis kai se ligo qa erqei kai sxedio nomoy gia thn anarthsh olwn twn dioikhtikwn apofasewn, olwn twn dioikhtikwn organwn, qeloyme akribws na eimaste diafaneis. Na jerei o ellhnikos laos poy phgainoyn ta xrhmata, ti xrhmata phgainoyn se aytoys poy ta dikaioyntai, etsi wste na mhn yparxei kamia skia ws pros ayta ta megala zhthmata. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, ayto poy me rwtate aptetai kai ths leitoyrgias toy ELGA, poy dinei tis gewrgikes apozhmiwseis. Kai gnwrizoyme poly kala me pio tropo polla apo ayta ta kondylia, apo ayta ta xrhmata poy dikaioyntan kai diaxeirizotan o ELGA exoyn paei kai se poioys dikaioyxoys. Ara, otan leme oti qa doyme jana to zhthma toy ELGA me nomoqetikh ryqmish, akribws ayto ennooyme: Diafaneia, antikeimenikopoihsh twn xrhmatwn poy pairnoyn oi agrotes, etsi wste na lambanoyn ta xrhmata aytoi poy pragmatika ta dikaioyntai kai na mhn exoyme synepeies, oi opoies den einai kales oyte gia toys agrotes, alla oyte kai gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia.

GIANNISHS: To kybernhtiko epiteleio exei kapoia ektimhsh gia to poso mporei h xwra na antejei ayth thn katastash poy brisketai shmera me toys kleismenoys dromoys;

PETALWTHS: Emeis qeloyme na stamathsei to kleisimo twn dromwn kai twn synorwn shmera, twra. Ayth einai h prosklhsh mas pros toys agrotes. Einai mia prosklhsh poy ginetai edw kai polles hmeres. To mono poy exoyme na kanoyme einai na perimenoyme, oi sygkekrimenoi aytoi agrotes poy kanoyn tis kinhtopoihseis na synaisqanqoyn kai aytoi th synolikh eyqynh, poy exoyme se ayth th sygkyria, gia th xwra mas. Elpizoyme oti qa to antilhfqoyn.

XRISTOFILOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, paroysiasate eniaio to kybernhtiko metwpo. Wstoso, yparxoyn plhrofories oti kapoia topika stelexh toy PASOK, enw dhmosia sthrizoyn th stash ths kybernhshs kai ths ypoyrgoy sto agrotiko, kat` idian enqarrynoyn toys agrotes na parameinoyn sta mploka, dhmioyrgwntas sygxysh kai rwgmes stis qeseis ths kybernhshs, eite, opws legetai, apo proswpikes pikries, eite gia logoys topikoy eklogikoy endiaferontos. Pws to antimetwpizete;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei sthn kybernhsh, ws pros thn antimetwpish twn agrotikwn zhthmatwn, ena klima poy odhgei, me mia sympagh eikona kai mia sympagh apoch, sthn epilysh twn agrotikwn zhthmatwn. Kai epanerxomai se ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws: Ta topika stelexh  kai den jerw poy anafereste- h kai oi boyleytes exoyn mia aytonomia sth syneidhsh toys kai sth drash toys, mexris enos orioy fysika. Apo ekei kai pera, thn ypeyqynh agrotikh politikh thn askei h kybernhsh dia ths ypoyrgoy, dia toy yfypoyrgoy kai dia twn organwn ths.

GARGALAKOS: Eisaste kybernhsh kai ypeyqynoi gia thn omalh koinwnikh politikh kai oikonomikh zwh toy topoy. Parathroymai, hmeres twra, mia meiochfia agrotwn na exei kleisei dromoys kai synora, na paralyei thn oikonomikh zwh toy topoy en mesw mias oikonomikhs kai dhmosionomikhs krishs kai h kybernhsh aplws na kanei ekklhseis dialogoy. Kai an aytoi synexisoyn gia ena mhna akomh, gia paradeigma, na kratoyn ta synora kai toys dromoys kleistoys, qa synexisei h kybernhsh na toys kalei esaei se dialogo, enw apo o,ti fainetai yparxei enas dialogos kwfwn se ayth thn periptwsh;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, prokeitai gia kinhtopoihseis kapoiwn hmerwn. Den mporoyme na milame shmera ypoqetika, ti qa ginei ean meinoyn ena mhna. Ennoeitai oti ayth h katastash den qa meinei ena mhna. Emeis kanoyme prospaqeies pantos eidoys. Eyelpistoyme kai exoyme thn pepoiqhsh oti syntoma qa lhjoyn aytes oi kinhtopoihseis, akribws gia na yparjei koinwnikh eirhnh kai opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, gia th diafylajh ths koinwnikhs synoxhs.

POLYMEROS: Panw se ayto: Ta idia eixate pei kai thn perasmenh ebdomada. Isxyoyn; Thn perasmenh ebdomada hsastan aisiodojos oti ta mploka prin pame sto dialogo qa exoyn stamathsei, qa exoyn dialyqei kai qa proselqoyn oi agrotes sto dialogo. Twra, ayto den ginetai. Ayth einai h mia erwthsh.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, shmera, sto dialogo toy Zappeioy, symmetexoyn kai agrotes, gia na mhn to jexname.

POLYMEROS: Nai, alla ta mploka yparxoyn.

PETALWTHS: Kai pisteyoyme oti qa stamathsoyn, eipa.

POLYMEROS: H deyterh erwthsh einai, ean enoxlhqhke to Majimoy  kai otan milaw gia to Majimoy, lew gia ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo- apo th frash toy antiproedroy ths kybernhshs k. Pagkaloy, poy milhse gia prajeis bias kai ayqairesias, xarakthrizontas etsi tis kinhtopoihseis twn agrotwn.

PETALWTHS: Giati na enoxlhqei; Den nomizw oti yparxei kamia enoxlhsh. Yparxoyn nomoi. Oi nomoi lene oti oi dromoi prepei na einai anoixtoi, na mporoyn na metaferontai kai prepei na metaferontai agaqa kai kyriws proswpa. Ara, osoi den efarmozoyn toys nomoys askoyn prajeis ayqairesias. Apo ekei kai pera, mporei aytes oi prajeis na synodeyontai apo aithmata, alla kalo qa einai ta aithmata na proballontai kai na askoyntai mesw twn kinhtopoihsewn, oi opoies omws den exoyn ayta ta poly asxhma apotelesmata gia thn oikonomia mas kai gia thn koinwnikh eirhnh.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Sas akoyw na lete oti to mono poy mporei na kanei h kybernhsh einai na perimenei.

PETALWTHS: Den lew ayto.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ayto shmeiwsa egw kai ta janablepoyme ta qemata kai na ekfrazete synexws mia elpida. To shmeiwsa pente-eji fores, en pash periptwsei. H kybernhsh dinei thn entypwsh oti den qelei na piei to pikro pothri ths sygkroyshs me mia meiochfia, opws nwritera afhsate na ennohqei oti einai oi agrotes sta mploka, se antiqesh me th megalh pleiochfia twn agrotwn poy den briskontai sta mploka. Jana h kybernhsh qa analabei tis eyqynes ths, wste na mhn pame se koinwniko aytomatismo, se sygkroyseis, se dikasthria kai paei legontas kai gia poso kairo qa to perimenei ayto to pragma;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, edw yparxei mia antifash. Kapoioi mas kathgoroyn oti eimaste poly agriemenoi kai oti h ypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs xrhsimopoiei, mesa apo synenteyjeis ths, baries ekfraseis kai kapoioi alloi mas lene oti den kanoyme ayta poy prepei na kanoyme. Loipon, h kybernhsh exei mia staqerh, syneph politikh, etsi wste na katoxyrwnetai h koinwnikh eirhnh se ola ta epipeda ths.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Eipate prin, opws kai o k. Pagkalos, oti osoi den efarmozoyn toys nomoys prattoyn mia ayqairesia. H efarmogh twn nomwn, loipon, pote qa kriqei aparaithth;

PETALWTHS: H efarmogh toy nomoy einai aytonohth gia ton kaqe Ellhna polith. Otan exoyme tetoioy eidoys kinhtopoihseis, omws, tote yparxei mia idiaiterothta kai prospaqoyme me toys tropoys poy epilegei h kybernhsh na stamathsoyn aytoy toy eidoys oi energeies.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, th stash ths N.D. toy KKE kai toy SYRIZA sto qema twn agrotikwn kinhtopoihsewn pws thn ermhneyei h kybernhsh; Symballoyn sto na efarmostei o nomos, h blepete na yparxei mia sthrijh kai politikh aytwn twn kinhtopoihsewn;

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti ta exoyme apanthsei kai alles fores sthn aiqoysa enhmerwshs. Emeis menoyme se ayta poy blepoyme, menoyme sthn oysia twn kinhtopoihsewn. Apo kei kai pera, kaqe komma pairnei kai mia sygkekrimenh qesh eite frastika eite me kapoies prajeis kai to kaqe komma, o kaqe politikos kai o kaqe poliths krinetai apo th symperifora toy apenanti se tetoioy eidoys megala zhthmata.

STRATAKHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean meta to dhmosieyma ths ``Kyriakatikhs Eleyqerotypias'' kai thn eyxaristhria epistolh Karamanlh pros ton k. Xristoforako kai bebaiws oti janarxetai to Batopaidi apo shmera. Skeftetai h kybernhsh me ta stoixeia poy exoyn prokycei to mesodiasthma na kalesei sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph toso ton prwhn Prwqypoyrgo, oso kai ton prwhn ypoyrgo Oikonomias k. Alogoskoyfh;

PETALWTHS: An anafereste sthn ypoqesh Siemens, syzhteitai thn Tetarth. Qa apofasistei ean qa ginei ayth h Ejetastikh Epitroph. Kai osa melh ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs symmetexoyn, oi boyleytes, qa apofasisoyn kai poioys qa kalesoyn.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dyo erwthmata. Prwton, ean prokeitai o Prwqypoyrgos shmera na steilei apanthtikh epistolh ston Prwqypoyrgo ths Toyrkias k. Erntogan kai deyteron, gia poio logo akribws apomakrynqhke h telos pantwn den anelabe pote o Genikos Grammateas sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias;

PETALWTHS: Oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas gia thn epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Toyrkias, otan epidoqei qa anakoinwqei deontws. Ws pros to deytero zhthma poy qesate, hdh yparxei anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias sxetika me ayto to zhthma.

KALARRYTHS: Qelw na rwthsw an o Grammateas, o opoios telika den topoqethqhke, paraithqhke opws anaferetai sthn anakoinwsh, epilexqhke mesw ths diadikasias twn biografikwn kai giati h paraithsh toy den anakoinwqhke thn Paraskeyh, poy opws lete, egine h paraithsh kai anakoinwqhke thn Kyriakh meta to dhmosieyma.

PETALWTHS: Den apodexqhke th qesh toy kai thn Kyriakh bghke h sygkekrimenh anakoinwsh.

KALARRYTHS: Ep' aytoy, gia thn epilogh. Rwtaw, o koymparos ths ypoyrgoy epilexqhke mesa apo th diadikasia twn biografikwn;

PETALWTHS: Einai mia diadikasia gia thn opoia den qa hqela na apanthsw. H anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kalyptei to olo qema.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epeidh einai megalh timh gia kapoion na diorizetai Genikos Grammateas apo mia kybernhsh k. Ekproswpe, ekane thn timh sthn kybernhsh o k. Alejopoylos na gnwstopoihsei toys proswpikoys logoys; Kai eseis an mas kanete thn timh, na mas toys gnwstopoihsete me th seira sas.

PETALWTHS: Egw epimenw oti menoyme sthn anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Gia enan allon Eidiko Grammatea qa hqela na sas rwthsw. Poso symbato einai gia ton k. Andreadakh, poy egrace to ``QEMA'' thn Kyriakh, h gynaika toy opoioy exei etaireia poy drasthriopoieitai ston xwro poy epopteyei o sygkekrimenos Eidikos Grammateas, an to exete ypoch sas, an sas apasxolei kai an einai symbato.

PETALWTHS: Exw diabasei to sxetiko dhmosieyma. Qa prepei men na eimaste prosextikoi, alla den prepei na poinikopoioyme tis energeies, tis epaggelmatikes enasxolhseis twn syzygwn h kapoiwn syggenwn apo mones toys. Ean prokycei kapoio zhthma diaplokhs h diafqoras, eimaste oi prwtoi poy qa to katadikasoyme kai oi prwtoi oi opoioi qa to anadeijoyme.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Qewreite oti einai agrotes toy Kolwnakioy oi agrotes oi opoioi briskontai ayth th stigmh sta mploka me meion 6 baqmoys, opws toys xarakthrise o Prwqypoyrgos thn Paraskeyh sth Boylh;

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos den xarakthrise aytoys toys agrotes poy lete, agrotes toy Kolwnakioy. Milhse genikws gia agrotes toy Kolwnakioy, parallhlizontas toys pragmatikoys agrotes me kapoioys agrotes oi opoioi exoyn eisodhmata poly ychla kai den ekfrazontai, mesw tetoioy eidoys kinhtopoihsewn, ta aithmata toys. Aytes tis kinhtopoihseis tis xrhsimopoioyn kai kapoioi agrotes toy Kolwnakioy. Emeis exoyme thn pagia qesh oti oi agrotes exoyn sobarotata problhmata. Symmerizomaste thn agwnia toys. Me tetoioy eidoys kinhtopoihseis den epilyontai, isa  isa noqeyetai to mhnyma poy qeloyn kai prepei na perasoyn pros thn ellhnikh oikonomia.

PITTARAS: Pws sxoliazete tote aytoys toys agrotes, oi opoioi an kai hrqan shmera sthn Aqhna, anti gia to Zappeio phgan synodeia thleoptikwn kamerwn bolta sto Kolwnaki;

PETALWTHS: Einai erwthsh h apanthsh sthn prohgoymenh erwthsh; Thn erwthsh sas qa thn xrhsimopoihsw etsi, an pragmatika exei ginei, giati den to gnwrizw. Einai mia parametros twn kinhtopoihsewn, an exei ginei ayto.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Dhladh, aqeteite oti einai agrotes toy Kolwnakioy poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos;

PETALWTHS: Egw sas apanthsa prohgoymenws. Den mporoyme na xrhsimopoioyme mia frash poy xrhsimopoihse o Prwqypoyrgos gia na deijei ena sygkekrimeno zhthma, mia sygkekrimenh parametro twn agrotikwn zhthmatwn, gia na spilwsoyme h na noqeysoyme ayta poy elege o Prwqypoyrgos, ta opoia htan safestata.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Einai mesa sta plana ths kybernhshs h apokratikopoihsh toy OPAP kai toy Taxydromikoy Tamieythrioy, opws anaferoyn shmerina dhmosieymata;

PETALWTHS: Einai megala zhthmata, ta opoia an apofasistoyn qa anakoinwqoyn kiolas.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Syggnwmh ligo. To afhnete anoixto, dhladh;

PETALWTHS: O,ti exei na kanei me thn oikonomia ths xwras, einai anoixto. Kai bebaia den anaferomai sta sygkekrimena zhthmata. Opws exw pei polles fores, kaqe hmera yparxoyn dhmosieymata, polla apo ta opoia einai anypostata, poy einai plhrofories, poy einai diarroes apo yphresiakoys paragontes. Den nomizw oti mporoyme na ta sxoliazoyme kaqe fora edw pera.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Ta teleytaia 24wra janazwntanecan pali senaria poy kanoyn logo gia xrewkopia ths xwras. Einai oratos aytos o kindynos; Nai h oxi;

PETALWTHS: H xwra mas badizei me mia syneph ajiopistia pros thn anatajh ths oikonomias ths, mesa apo poly sobarh doyleia poy ginetai toys teleytaioys treis mhnes apo thn kybernhsh. Me poly megalh synainesh toy ellhnikoy laoy, o opoios deixnei mia ejairetikh wrimothta se ayth th sygkekrimenh xronikh sygkyria. Ennoeitai, den pame pros ptwxeysh. Isa  isa, ola ta stoixeia deixnoyn oti pame qetika gia thn oikonomia mas kai ayto qa apodeiknyetai hmera me thn hmera.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Oi dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy peri yparjews emfylioy, me aformh tis agrotikes kinhtopoihseis, aphxoyn tis apoceis toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

PETALWTHS: Poianoy emfylioy;

QEODWROPOYLOS: O k. Pagkalos thn ekane th dhlwsh sto ``EQNOS''. Ayth th fora einai synenteyjh.

PETALWTHS: Ejhghste moy ligo, ti ennoei omws;

QEODWROPOYLOS: Milhse peri emfylioy.

PETALWTHS: Poion me poioys;

QEODWROPOYLOS: Profanws, twn agrotwn poy briskontai stoys dromoys me thn kybernhsh.

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei polemos twn agrotwn me thn kybernhsh. Egw sas eipa  kai to exw pei para polles fores  oti synaisqanomaste ta problhmata, ta symmerizomaste. Diafwnoyme kaqeta me aytes tis kinhtopoihseis, oi opoies telika balloyn kata ths oikonomias sth sygkekrimenh stigmh.

Sas eyxaristw.

" Ayrio, Trith 26 Ianoyarioy, den qa ginei h enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn kai twn antapokritwn jenoy Typoy apo ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo Giwrgo Petalwth.

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