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Paraskeyh, 6 Noembrioy 2009

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 6 Noembrioy 2009

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalhmera sas.

Xqes, sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio katateqhke kai syzhthqhke o prwtos Proypologismos ths kybernhshs toy PASOK. Enas Proypologismos, o opoios xarakthrizetai ws realistikos kai sobaros, periexontas sygxronws kai shmeia anatropwn, etsi opws armozei stis diakhryjeis stis arxes kai tis desmeyseis toy PASOK. Prospaqoyme na kanoyme, opws eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos - kai mesa apo ayto ton Proypologismo - ena shmantikotato qesmiko nomoqethma, ena staqero bhma kat epektash pros to ayrio, dinontas kyriws prooptikh sthn ellhnikh oikonomia kai thn ellhnikh koinwnia.

Prospaqoyme kai mesa apo ayton ton Proypologismo na antimetwpisoyme, kata to metro toy dynatoy, qemata apasxolhshs, sthrijhs eisodhmatos, katapolemhshs ths akribeias. Prospaqoyme na anaqermanoyme thn agora me sygkekrimenes stoxeyseis. Kai kyriws prospaqoyme na kanoyme enan ejorqologismo twn dapanwn.

Apo dw kai pera, bebaiws, jekinaei h diadikasia gia na anamorfwsoyme to forologiko mas systhma. Opws yparxei kai merimna gia ton tropo ekteleshs aytoy toy Proypologismoy, etsi wste na yparxei mia sobarothta kai staqerothta stis kybernhtikes apofaseis kai epiloges.

Katanooyme oloi plhrws - kai egine gnwsto kai antilhpto - oti htan ena dyskolo egxeirhma: Mesa se liges mono hmeres diakybernhshs ths xwras apo to PASOK kai me tis sygkekrimenes oikonomikes kai dhmosionomikes synqhkes, na yparjei ena sxedio Proypologismoy, to opoio na prospaqei na periswsei, estw kai teleytaia stigmh, ta dyskola zhthmata ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, alla na balei kai tis stoxeyseis, poy balame kai bazoyme mesa apo ayton ton Proypologismo.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PITTARAS: Qelw na sas rwthsw, me aformh osa ginontai sto limani kai synexizetai ayth h ekryqmh katastash, ti skopeyete na kanete; Giati yparxoyn diafora dhmosieymata poy lene oti analambanei enan eidiko rolo o k. Pagkalos, o opoios anamenetai apo th Deytera na katebei sto limani kai apo koinoy me ton k. Anwmerith, na prospaqhsoyn na broyn mia lysh. Poios einai aytos o rolos poy epifylassei o k. Papandreoy ston k. Pagkalo;

PETALWTHS: Oi energeies ths kybernhshs einai gnwstes kai staqeres kai, bebaiws, yparxei kai mia dynamikh kai ejelijh se aytes. Prospaqoyme, prwta apo ola, na jekinhsoyme kai na synexisoyme ayton to dialogo, ton opoio petyxame mexris enos shmeioy. Apo kei kai pera, leme kai to tonizoyme oti dialogos xwris anoixto limani, den mporei na ginei. Einai mia sobarh proypoqesh thn opoia prepei na laboyn yp ocin oloi oi emplekomenoi foreis, na to katanohsoyn oi ergazomenoi, giati mono etsi mporoyme na exoyme proaspish toy dhmosioy symferontos. Kai to dhmosio symferon shmainei anoixto limani, shmainei sebasmo stis ergasiakes sxeseis, shmainei sebasmo sth dynamikh ths agoras, poy einai akrws aparaithtos. Einai gnwsto bebaiws oti o k. Anwmeriths analambanei ta kaqhkonta toy sto Dioikhtiko Symboylio toy OLP, ws Proedros kai Dieyqynwn Symboylos, etsi wste na jekinhsei amesws ayton ton dialogo, me ananewmenes baseis, prokeimenoy na yparjei lysh se ayto to poly dyskolo egxeirhma kai zhthma, to opoio klhronomhsame apo thn prwth mera diakybernhshs apo to PASOK.

Einai gnwsto oti phrame thn entolh stis 4 Oktwbrioy. H apergia sto limani ``etrexe'' apo thn 1h Oktwbrioy kai me mia symbash, gia thn opoia eixame ekfrasei sobarotates antirrhseis kai sto parelqon.

PITTARAS: Sas rwthsa gia ton k. Pagkalo, an analambanei kapoio eidiko rolo.

PETALWTHS: Ean yparjoyn eidikoi roloi, qa anakoinwqoyn.

KOYTRAS: Oi kinhseis twn Epimelhthriwn na kataqesoyn agwges, mhnyseis pros toys limenergates, bohqoyn sth synexish aytoy toy dialogoy h oxi;

PETALWTHS: Emeis pisteyoyme oti o dialogos prepei na ginetai mesa se ena klima ergasiakhs eirhnhs. Den pisteyoyme  kai gia ayto den proxwrame oytws h allws - se dikastikes energeies. Apo kei kai pera, bebaia, o kaqe foreas exei th dynatothta na xrhsimopoihsei kai ola ta nomika mesa poy mporei. Emeis pisteyoyme, pantws, oti mono me to dialogo kai me ena kaqestws ergasiakhs kai koinwnikhs eirhnhs mporoyme na pame mprosta. Kai basizomaste ekei kai mono.

KAKALHS: H frash toy k. Pagkaloy oti ``ta aithmata twn apergwn den synadoyn me thn ennomo tajh kai ta symferonta ths xwras'' ekfrazei thn kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei ena qema, to opoio einai qema kai nomimothtas. Kai h k. Katselh, sthn anakoinwsh ths, katesthse safes oti einai akatanohth h synexish ths apergias apo toys ergazomenoys. Kai ola ayta einai sto plaisio toy oti otan yparxei hdh dialogos, otan exei jekinhsei kai malista qeloyme na dwsoyme kai mia nea dynamikh kai wqhsh, poy shmainei oti blepoyme prooptikes mesa apo ayth th diadikasia, oloi qa prepei na analaboyn ton rolo toys kai bebaiws kai oi ergazomenoi.

KAKALHS: Qema nomimothtas, poy egkeitai;

PETALWTHS: Se ayta poy eipa prohgoymenws. To na kanei kapoios apergia einai ena nomimo dikaiwma. Alla, apo kei kai pera, ean qeloyme na bohqhsoyme thn poly polyplokh kai synqeth katastash h opoia yparxei sto limani, qa prepei o kaqenas  epanalambanw  na analabei kai tis eyqynes toy.

SEGKOS: Na ypoqesoyme, loipon, oti afoy h kybernhsh epikrotei epishmws ayth th qesh gia thn ennomh tajh, qa qymhqei kai ton palio kalo kybernhtiko ths eayto, otan xtypage toys limenergates h eskage ta lastixa twn agrotwn;

PETALWTHS: To teleytaio xtyphma sto limani, nomizw oti einai gnwsto. Kai malista me paroysia toy Proedroy toy PASOK tote kai shmerinoy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Papandreoy.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate ``anoixto limani''. Dhladh, lete eseis shmera stoys ergazomenoys na stamathsoyn thn apergia shmera kai na erqoyn sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias, sthn k. Katselh na syzhthsoyn. Giati o proedros twn ergazomenwn, shmera, poy akoysa to prwi, an den sas kathgorei, leei oti den syzhtate tis teleytaies 16 hmeres, den yparxei dialogos.

PETALWTHS: Gia ayto eipa prohgoymenws, o kaqenas as analabei tis eyqynes toy. Einai katanohto oti o monos dromos gia thn kybernhsh, einai o dialogos. Kai sto trapezi toy dialogoy eixan kaqisei kai oi ergazomenoi kai o OLP kai h SEP. Ayto akribws qeloyme na synexisoyme kai pisteyoyme oti mono me ayth th meqodeysh mporei na yparjei lysh.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Poio einai to orio poy dinete sth synexeia ayths ths apergias, efoson jeroyme oti mia tetoia apergia exei megalo oikonomiko kostos kai gia thn agora kai malista twra poy erxontai oi giortes kai oi epixeirhmaties, apo o,ti katalabainw, perimenoyn agaqa, eisagwges.

PETALWTHS: Kai emeis ayth thn apoch exoyme, gi ayto milame gia anoixto limani, gi ayto milame gia dhmosio symferon poy proypoqetei anoixto limani, gia dynamikh ths agoras. Gi ayto qeloyme mia lysh to syntomotero dynaton.

KOYKLOYPMERHS: Ena apo ta basika aithmata twn ergazomenwn einai to ``pagwma'' ths symbashs me thn COSCO ws tis 15 Ianoyarioy. Qa eisakoystei ayto to aithma sto plaisio toy dialogoy;

PETALWTHS: Ayto, opws katalabainete, den einai qema ths kybernhshs. Ayto poy kataferame se prwth fash, einai na yparxei ena ``pagwma'' mexri tis 2 Noembrioy. Apo kei kai pera, einai qema twn emplekomenwn forewn. Alla, pantote, qa prepei na exoyme ypoch mas ti problepei ayth h symbash, h opoia pleon einai nomos toy ellhnikoy kratoys.

BASILOPOYLOS: Qelw na sas rwthsw akribws gia thn teleytaia sas frash, to ti problepei h symbash. H symbash problepei kapoia rhtra, h opoia einai posa xrhmata, ean to ellhniko Dhmosio den thn yphrethsei; Ean sthn ennoia toy eqnikoy symferontos, synepagetai oti yparxei kapoio zhthma eqniko, to opoio qa mporoyse na teqei sth symbash me thn COSCO kai an yparxoyn mystika prwtokolla se ayth th symfwnia;

PETALWTHS: Ta mystika prwtokolla, nomizw oti qa mporoyse na mas ta pei h kybernhsh, h opoia kathrtise ayth th symbash, h opoia symmeteixe. Gia mas den yparxoyn mystika prwtokolla. Apo kei kai pera, to eqniko zhthma poy qesate - poy einai kai megalos logos, as moy epitrapei h ekfrash - mporei na teqei sth bash oti emeis qeloyme ependyseis sthn Ellada. Ependyseis omws se ygih bash, ependyseis me symbaseis oi opoies einai pros to symferon toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy, se ola ta shmeia kai se ola ta epipeda, kai symbates bebaiws me tis ypoxrewseis ths Elladas se sxesh me to koinotiko Dikaio.

KAKALHS: H symbash yphretei ayta ta symferonta;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, ws antipoliteysh, eixame ekfrasei tis antirrhseis mas tis opoies kai diathroyme mexri stigmhs. Me ta dedomena poy exoyme, prospaqoyme na beltiwsoyme th symbash se sygkekrimena zhthmata, opws einai to forologiko plaisio, to ryqmistiko plaisio kai oi ergasiakes sxeseis.

SEGKOS: Ep` aytoy: Mporeite eseis apo ayth th qesh na desmeyqeite oti den tiqetai qema epistrateyshs oso kai an diarkesei h apergiakh kinhtopoihsh;

PETALWTHS: Egw exw dhlwsei kathgorhmatika oti den yparxei kamia skech sthn kybernhsh gia epistrateysh. Prospaqoyme mesa apo to dialogo na broyme mia lysh.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, den yparxei, lete, kamia skech gia epistrateysh. Kai an o dialogos katastei atelesforos, dedomenoy oti aytoi oi ergates eixan arketes oikonomikes apodoxes kai qa mporoysan na trabhjoyn se makros thn apergia toys, ti qa kanei h kybernhsh; Qa einai parathrhths kai synomilhths; Ejelegh gia na kyberna.

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh, to oti den einai parathrhths se kanena shmantiko zhthma ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, to exei apodeijei apo thn prwth stigmh, akomh kai sto qema toy limanioy. Ayta poy lete einai senaria ergasias sta opoia, fysika, den mporoyme na apanthsoyme. Apantame me tis prajeis mas, me tis energeies ths kybernhshs kai me th sobarh proseggish poy mporoyme na kanoyme -kai kanoyme- se ena toso synqeto zhthma.

KANELLOPOYLOS: An katalaba kala k. Ypoyrge, oso diarkoyn oi kinhtopoihseis den prokeitai na kaqisei h kybernhsh sto trapezi toy dialogoy h kanw laqos;

PETALWTHS: Emeis to dialogo den ton apokleioyme. Antiqetws, ton epidiwkoyme. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, kaloyme toys ergazomenoys na stamathsoyn thn apergia toys kai na proxwrhsoyme se dialogo poy einai h monh diejodos gia na yparjei lysh.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kai oso arnoyntai;

PETALWTHS: Oso arnoyntai na proselqoyn sto dialogo...

KANELLOPOYLOS: Oxi, na stamathsoyn tis kinhtopoihseis.

PETALWTHS: Emeis, pantws, epidiwkoyme to dialogo.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Oxi, omws, me synqhkes, as poyme, kinhtopoihsewn.

PETALWTHS: Emeis pisteyoyme oti oi kinhtopoihseis, oi opoies einai dikaiwma twn ergazomenwn, den bohqoyn sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, dynamitizoyn ena klima eirhnhs metajy twn symballomenwn merwn. Pisteyoyme oti qa prepei na stamathsoyn kai gia to kalo twn diapragmateysewn, alla kai gia to kalo toy dhmosioy symferontos.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Poies einai, omws, oi desmeyseis poy toys parexete gia na stamathsoyn aytes tis kinhtopoihseis;

PETALWTHS: Oi desmeyseis poy parexoyme stoys ergazomenoys einai to plaisio to opoio qetoyme. Kai opws eipa prohgoymenws, ena apo ta zhthmata poy pisteyoyme oti mporei na allajei kai na beltiwqei sth sygkekrimenh symbash, einai kai oi ergasiakes sxeseis.

SIDERHS: Xqes, kata to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, o k. Prwqypoyrgos eyxaristhse th dhmosia thleorash giati kalyce tis ergasies toy Symboylioy. Na ypoqesoyme oti h ERT aytenhrghse kai kalyce thn omilia toy k. Papandreoy kai toy k. Papakwnstantinoy; Pote qa kopei o omfalios lwros metajy kybernhsewn kai ERT, an to qelete kai kommatwn kai ERT;

PETALWTHS: To na yparxei dhmosiopoihsh sthn eishghsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, alla kai sthn eishghsh toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn k. Papakwnstantinoy gia ton Proypologismo, den exei kamia sxesh me diasyndesh ths kybernhshs me thn ERT. Epidiwkoyme, prwtoporiaka kiolas, na yparxei dhmosiothta kai dhmosiopoihsh aytwn twn apocewn. Giati gi` ayta poy syzhtwntai sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, qewroyme oti qa prepei na enhmerwnetai amesa o ellhnikos laos. Kai gi` ayto akribws to logo yphrje h xqesinh dhmosiothta.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Hqela mia apanthsh sto ean programmatizetai kai an nai, gia pote, mia episkech toy k. Erntogan sthn Aqhna.

PETALWTHS: Yparxei h gnwsth kinhtikothta stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis. H kybernhsh tis proseggizei me to deonta kai sobaro rolo kai prospaqwntas na kalycei oles tis pleyres aytoy toy synqetoy zhthmatos. To an yparxoyn episkeceis twn Prwqypoyrgwn, qa fanei argotera. Otan yparjoyn synanthseis, qa anakoinwqoyn.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Giati den anakoinwqhke h den dhmosiopoihqhke h epistolh toy Toyrkoy Prwqypoyrgoy ston Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo;

PETALWTHS: H epistolh ayth, doqhke mesw toy Toyrkoy Presbh se mia eqimotypikh episkech ston Anaplhrwth Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn. Prokeitai gia mia typikh epistolh, h opoia fysika parelhfqh apo thn kybernhsh. Qa apanthqei en kairw kai h apanthsh ths qa dhmosiopoihqei. Den yparxei kanenas allos logos.

XRISTOFILOPOYLOS: Sthn epistolh toy o k. Erntogan proteinei ef` olhs ths ylhs syzhthsh twn ellhnotoyrkikwn problhmatwn kai qetei qemata meionothtwn, qemata gia to Kypriako k.t.l. Pws ta proseggizei ayta h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: H kaqe xwra, opws kai h Toyrkia fysika, exei tis dikes ths apoceis kai tis dikes ths proseggiseis. Kai h Ellada exei tis dikes ths staqeres proseggiseis, etsi opws fainontai kai jetyligontai mesa apo thn askhsh ths ejwterikhs politikhs me ton pio prosektiko tropo.

KAKALHS: Exei h kybernhsh th boylhsh na prosxwrhsei se ayton ton ef` olhs ths ylhs dialogo poy zhta sthn epistolh toy, apo o,ti enhmerwnomaste, o k. Erntogan kai malista se anwtato epipedo, metajy twn Prwqypoyrgwn;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh kanei poly prosektika bhmata stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis, me gnwmona to symferon ths xwras mas se ola ta epipeda ths ejwterikhs politikhs. O kaqenas zhtei ayto poy qelei na zhthsei. H ellhnikh kybernhsh, omws, me thn apofasistikothta ths kai me ta bhmata poy kanei, deixnei to stigma ths ejwterikhs ths politikhs.

KAKALHS: To afhnete anoixto na mpeite sto dialogo ef` olhs ths ylhs.

PETALWTHS: Oxi, bebaia. Xwris proypoqeseis den ginetai kanenas dialogos.

KOYTRAS: O k. Papandreoy symfwnhse me ton k. Dhma na synexisei th qhteia toy o k. Dhmas ws Epitropos ths Elladas sthn Eyrwph;

PETALWTHS: Oxi, bebaiws. Den egine kamia tetoia syzhthsh. O k. Dhmas episkefqhke ton Prwqypoyrgo. Syzhthqhkan qemata ths armodiothtas toy ws Epitropoy kai h synanthsh ayth htan fysika poly epoikodomhtikh.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, einai katanohto: O paralhpths pote den dinei thn epistolh sth dhmosiothta, th dinei o apostoleas. Omws, ap` to na to maqainoyme apo to Anatolu oti yphrje ayth h epistolh, den qa eprepe na mas eixate enhmerwsei off;

PETALWTHS: H enhmerwsh se tetoia eidoys zhthmata ginetai epishmws kai to periexomeno mias epistolhs, dinetai, otan prepei na doqei, sth dhmosiothta.

SIDERHS: Etsi dinetai h entypwsh omws oti askeite mystikh diplwmatia, me to na thn kratate kryfh ayth thn lhch ths epistolhs.

PETALWTHS: Oi entypwseis aytes einai laqos. H diplwmatia poy askeitai apo th sygkekrimenh kybernhsh, einai akribws mia dynamikh kai epiqetikh diplwmatia. Kai eidika o k. Papandreoy exei apodeijei kai sto parelqon, alla kai ws Prwqypoyrgos shmera, oti den fobatai tipote sthn ejwterikh politikh kai oti kanei mia ejwterikh politikh anoixth kai fanerh pros oloys.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Gia ta stage hqela na sas rwthsw. Poia einai telika h qesh sas kai an qa katarghsete th moriodothsh h qa isxysei merikws. An exete apofasisei.

PETALWTHS: Oi apofaseis ths kybernhshs gia ta stage exoyn anakoinwqei pro polloy. H moriodothsh, toylaxiston opws problepetai, qa katarghqei, etsi opws exei apofasistei. Ola ta zhthmata ths primodothshs  gia na mhn anaferw th lejh moriodothsh- qa ta analabei to ASEP, mesw toy opoioy qa ginontai oi proslhceis sto ellhniko Dhmosio.

KOYTRAS: Ti sas ekane na allajete stash sto qema twn stage kai apo ekei poy legate oti... kai twra blepoyme toys ypallhloys poy doyleyan me stage na mporoyn na symmetexoyn stis prokhryjeis toy ASEP; Yparxei mia allagh sth grammh.

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kamia allagh. Yparxei mia apofash kai malista eilhmmenh se proeklogiko xrono, otan qa mporoysame na kanoyme ypanaxwrhseis apo tote, gia gnwstoys proeklogikoys logoys. Emeis desmeythkame apo thn prwth stigmh kai proeklogika, oti katargoyntai ayta ta programmata maqhteias, ta opoia parepempan se mesaiwnikoys oroys ergasias. Kai apo kei kai pera kaname tis anakoinwseis mas. Qa yparjei sto mellon nomosxedio poy qa kataqesei to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, opoy ekei qa ejeidikeyontai ola ta zhthmata twn proslhcewn. Kai fysika kai oswn newn anqrwpwn ergazontan  kataxrhstikos o oros- symmeteixan, se ayta ta programmata stage kai me ta gnwsta apotelesmata.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na sas pw oti olh ayth h koybenta poy ginetai gyrw apo ta stage dhmioyrgei mia sygxysh se oloys aytoys toys ergazomenoys poy apo stigmh se stigmh menoyn ston aera. Poia einai h kaqarh grammh ths kybernhshs telika;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh exei anakoinwsei tis apofaseis ths me ton pio epishmo tropo: Den ananewnontai oi symbaseis poy lhgoyn. Apo kei kai pera, mesw toy ASEP qa yparxei h primodothsh, ws empeiria piqanon, aytwn twn anqrwpwn oi opoioi symmeteixan se ayta ta programmata, etsi opws oytws h allws dikaioyntai kai osoi ergazontai ston idiwtiko tomea.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei ston xwro ths Ierarxias mia gkrinia kai diafwnia, malista sygkrothsan kai mia epitroph na koybentiasei me thn kybernhsh, sxetika me thn ektakth eisfora stis Mhtropoleis mesw ETAK.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola na sas parapemcw sthn episkech toy Arxiepiskopoy ston kyrio Prwqypoyrgo. Apofasisthke kai anakoinwqhke oti qa ginoyn kai kapoies epitropes ergasias gia zhthmata ta opoia aforoyn stis sxeseis ths Politeias me thn Ekklhsia. Apo kei kai pera, yparxei h anakoinwmenh apofash ths kybernhshs oti h ekklhsiastikh perioysia, ekei opoy paragetai kerdos, qa forologeitai opws forologoyntai ta koinwfelh idrymata. Se ayth th bash, loipon, antimetwpizetai kai to zhthma to opoio eipate.

KAKALHS: Otan proeklogika o Prwqypoyrgos elege oti yparxoyn ta lefta, ennooyse oti ta exoyn oi misqwtoi kai oi syntajioyxoi; Giati apo to prosxedio toy Proypologismoy prokyptei safws oti to megalytero meros twn forwn, twn 4,5 dis newn forwn, qa proelqei apo aytoys.

PETALWTHS: Den symfwnw me thn apoch sas. Hdh sto prwto nomoqethma prin thn katartish toy sxedioy Proypologismoy, h kybernhsh edeije ti ennoei otan milaei gia forologhsh. Se poies omades ths koinwnias mas apeyqynetai kai epishs se poies eisodhmatikes omades apeyqynetai. Ara, to stigma ths kybernhshs einai safes. Apo kei kai pera, se enan Proypologismo me aytes tis oikonomikes synqhkes, anagkastika ginontai symbibasmoi. Eipa kai prohgoymenws oti htan ejairetika dyskolo egxeirhma, alla kai mesa se ayton ton Proypologismo yparxei mia seira metrwn, me ta opoia problepetai poy qa breqoyn ayta ta xrhmata, prokeimenoy na ginoyn oi aparaithtes politikes.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla to stigma poy dwsate aforoyse 870 ekatommyria. Ayto einai to synoliko kostos ths ektakths eisforas sta kerdh twn epixeirhsewn. Ta ypoloipa, sto synolo toys sxedon, ta plhrwnoyn oi misqwtoi kai syntajioyxoi.

PETALWTHS: Den prepei na jexname kai na mperdeyoyme kapoia pragmata. Xqes katateqhke to sxedio toy Proypologismoy. O neos forologikos nomos qa arxisei na epejergazetai kai na dinetai pros diaboyleysh apo to Noembrio, me stoxo na chfistei stoys prwtoys mhnes toy 2010. Ekei, pragmatika, qa apotypwqoyn kai oi ajies kai oi apofaseis ths kybernhshs kai h ideologikh grammh h opoia akoloyqeitai. Kai ekei qa prospaqhsoyme pragmatika na kanoyme prajh ayta, ta opoia desmeyqhkame kai desmeyomaste akomh bebaiws, gia to poioi plhrwnoyn kai poso plhrwnoyn.

SEGKOS: Sto prosxedio toy Proypologismoy h xrhmatodothsh twn Asfalistikwn Tameiwn einai meiwmenh kata 10%. Einai endeiktiko oti h xrhmatodothsh toy OAEE, toy Tameioy twn Eleyqerwn Epaggelmatiwn einai meiwmenh kata 45%. Ayto mas proideazei kai gia ton xarakthra poy qa exei to anoigma toy Asfalistikoy; Dhladh qa kopei h kratikh xrhmatodothsh kai qa sprwxnontai oi ergazomenoi stis idiwtikes asfalistikes etaireies;

PETALWTHS: Ayto, einai mia apoch teleiws ypokeimenikh, thn opoia bebaiws den mporw na sxoliasw.

SEGKOS: Mporeite tote na mas dwsete, etsi, kapoia stoixeia gia ton xarakthra poy qa exei to neo anoigma toy Asfalistikoy, poy eipe xqes kai o k. Papakwnstantinoy;

PETALWTHS: To asfalistiko systhma ths xwras mas einai gnwsto kai o k. Papakwnstantinoy eipe xarakthristika oti einai synexws anoixto. Apo kei kai pera, otan qa yparxoyn oi nomoqetikes prwtoboylies, otan qa arxisei o dhmosios dialogos kai h dhmosia diaboyleysh, qa ginoyn ola ayta gnwsta kai qa exoyn thn eykairia na symmetexoyn oi pantes se ayto to dialogo.

SEGKOS: Mporeite na mas dwsete ena xronodiagramma gia to pote qa jekinhsei o dialogos;

PETALWTHS: Oxi.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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