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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 1 Septembrioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 221957758

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 1 Septembrioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhmera kai kalo mhna.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa synanthqei ayrio, Tetarth 2 Septembrioy kai wra 11.30, me to Dioikhth ths Trapezas ths Ellados k. Gewrgio Probopoylo, sto Megaro Majimoy.

" Me nomoqetikh ryqmish toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs, katopin symfwnhs gnwmhs toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Iwannh Papaqanasioy, anastellontai mexri 31 Dekembrioy 2009 oloi oi pleisthriasmoi poy epispeydontai apo trapezika idrymata gia ofeiles xrhmatikwn poswn katw twn 200.000 eyrw. H nomoqetikh ryqmish qa katateqei amesa apo ton Ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs k. Niko Dendia sth Boylh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gia poio logo qewrei o Prwqypoyrgos, o k. Karamanlhs, oti prepei na prosfygei se prowres kalpes;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia senaria. Sas to exw pei epaneilhmmenws .

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na perimenoyme entos twn epomenwn 24 wrwn diaggelma toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros ton ellhniko lao;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na sas pw kati ep` aytoy.

KAKALHS: Qa prolabei o k. Dendias na kataqesei ayth thn tropologia poy eipate gia thn anastolh twn xrewn sth Boylh;

ANTWNAROS: Einai safes to periexomeno ths anakoinwshs poy sas diabasa.

STEFOS: Mia synexeia se ayto poy eipate prohgoymenws oti den exete na peite kati panw sto endexomeno na ejaggeilei ekloges o Prwqypoyrgos mesw diaggelmatos...

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa egw ayto to pragma. Me rwthse kati sygkekrimeno h k. Zormpa kai apanthsa.

STEFOS: Epomenws, den mporoyme na apokleisoyme ena tetoio endexomeno.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to qema, to exw pei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa symfwnhsete kai eseis me thn koinh ektimhsh poy yparxei oti h anastolh twn pleisthriasmwn einai proeklogikoy xarakthra.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, h kybernhsh ayth -sto plaisio twn synepeiwn poy exei h dieqnhs oikonomikh krish kai gia th xwra mas- exei analabei olo to teleytaio diasthma (ennow enan xrono kai perissotero) sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies, sygkekrimenes draseis, sygkekrimena metra, an qelete, prokeimenoy antimetwpistoyn oi synepeies ayths ths krishs. Ta metra ayta einai polla. Oi prwtoboylies sas einai gnwstes. Einai pros ofelos kai aytwn poy plhttontai perissotero -kai milw gia toys oikonomika asqenesteroys sth xwra- alla kai gia tonwsh ths oikonomikhs drashs, ths oikonomikhs drasthriothtas, ths oikonomias ths xwras mas, ths oikonomias oloy toy kosmoy kai fysika kai ths Eyrwphs poy yfistatai tis synepeies ayths ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs. Ola ayta ta metra den exoyn kamia sxesh me to qema poy prospaqeite na ta syndesete.

MPALHS: Exw dyo erwthseis kyrie Ekproswpe. Qelw na sas rwthsw, an h kybernhsh exei labei kapoio mhnyma apo thn KOMISION, enocei ths ayrianhs synanthshs toy k. Papaqanasioy me ton k. Almoynia, se o,ti afora to endexomeno ths paratashs gia th meiwsh toy elleimmatos.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhke xqes, opws sas eipa, me dhlwseis toy sth dhmosia thleorash o idios o Ypoyrgos. Eimai bebaios oti meta apo th synanthsh poy qa exei ayrio me ton Koinotiko Epitropo, qa probei se dhlwseis. Parakalw, na tis perimenete.

MPALHS: Qelw na sas rwthsw, ean pragmatika den sas problhmatizei ligo ayth h eikona, na bgainoyn kaqe hmera stelexh, Ypoyrgoi, boyleytes kai na lene thn apoch toys sxetika me to endexomeno prowrwn eklogwn h me to endexomeno enos anasxhmatismoy, mikroy h megaloy. Ayth h eikona den sas problhmatizei; Den qewreite oti me kapoio tropo prepei na stamathsei ayto to pragma;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, eimai o teleytaios o opoios sxoliazei apoceis.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exei ftasei ston Prwqypoyrgo h se kapoio synergath toy epistolh boyleytwn ths Neas Dhmokratias poy toy zhtoyn na mhn prosfygei se ekloges;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw na exei ftasei tetoia epistolh.

POLYMEROS: To PASOK sas kathgorei to teleytaio eikositetrawro, synexeia, oxi to teleytaio eikositetrawro, ayto poy qa sas diabasw einai to teleytaio eikositetrawro, oti h xwra brisketai se paratetamenh akybernhsia kai kaqe hmera poy pernaei einai xamenh hmera gia thn Ellada kai toys Ellhnes. Epishs, leei oti xreiazetai na allajei poreia kai ayth thn poreia qa thn allajei, phgainontas gia ekloges kai erxomeno sthn kybernhsh to PASOK. Ti apantate eseis;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka xqes se ayto to qema. To PASOK exei thn eyqynh ths prospaqeias na prokalesei mia paratetamenh proeklogikh periodo me ton qesmika epilhcimo, antisyntagmatiko tropo, me ton opoio epixeirei kaqe hmera -to ekane allwste xqes o k. Papakwnstantinoy gia mia akomh fora- na syndesei th diejagwgh eklogwn, na ekbiasei th diejagwgh eklogwn me to qema ths epanekloghs toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Kai anaferomai, bebaiws, sto shmerino Proedro ths Dhmokratias, ton idiaitera dhmofilh metajy twn Ellhnwn, k. Karolo Papoylia. Enan Proedro o opoios symbolizei thn enothta toy eqnoys. Thn proswpikothta, alla kai th qesh toy, to PASOK epidiwkei na ekmetalleyqei gia dika toy mikrokommatika ofelh.

KAKALHS: Me poia krithria o Prwqypoyrgos apofasizei an qa ginoyn ekloges h oxi; Me bash to symferon ths paratajhs, to krithrio dhladh poy ypagoreyetai apo to symferon ths paratajhs, poy opws lene ta stelexh, oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, qa odhghsei se politikh aytoktonia h me bash to eqniko symferon, opws eipe o k. Soyflias;

ANTWNAROS: Oles oi prajeis toy Prwqypoyrgoy diapneontai apo mia aplh skech: Pws qa yphrethqei me ton kalytero dynato tropo to eqniko kai to dhmosio symferon.

KAKALHS: Ara, sympleei me ton k. Soyflia...

ANTWNAROS: Sas milhsa gia oles tis prajeis kai oles tis draseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

KAKALHS: Qelw na pw, dhladh, oti teinei eyhkoon oys sthn eishghsh toy k. Soyflia, opws lete oti yparxei;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai, ti qelete na peite.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, oloklhrh thn perasmenh ebdomada, apo ayto to bhma, legate oti proteraiothta kai stoxos ths kybernhshs einai na oloklhrwsei aproskopta to ergo ths. Ejakoloyqeite kai emmenete s` ayth th frash;

ANTWNAROS: Lew ayto to opoio exw pei polles fores: Panta proteraiothta gia mas kai pyjida gia olh mas th symperifora, oles mas tis apofaseis, oles tis draseis, olo ton tropo me ton opoio antimetwpizoyme ta qemata, einai h ejyphrethsh toy eqnikoy kai toy dhmosioy symferontos. Kai to dhmosio kai eqniko symferon ejyphreteitai me thn ylopoihsh twn desmeysewn, tis opoies exei analabei h sygkekrimenh kybernhsh. Ejakoloyqoyme na kanoyme th doyleia mas.

RABANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prin apo ligo, otan rwthqhkate gia tis apoceis twn stelexwn ths Neas Dhmokratias peri thn eklogologia, apanthsate oti eiste o teleytaios poy sxoliazei apoceis. Sth synexeia epirricate eyqynes sto PASOK gia th dhmioyrgia toy klimatos eklogwn kai to kathgorhsate oti paizei me toys qesmoys, mia stash thn opoia exete epanalabei arketes fores. Pws sxoliazete omws tis topoqethseis twn stelexwn ths Neas Dhmokratias o opoioi kai oi idioi dhmioyrgoyn eklogiko klima kai blepoyme enan dhmosio allhlosparagmo stelexwn metajy toys, na epirriptoyn eyqynes kai polloi na miloyn kai gia idioteleis skopoys kapoiwn entos ths kybernhshs. To sxolio sas, den blaptoyn oles aytes oi symperifores kai prajeis thn kybernhsh kai to dhmosio kai eqniko symferon se telikh analysh;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei.

PANTAZHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate nwritera oti h proteraiothta ths kybernhshs einai h ejyphrethsh toy dhmosioy symferontos...

ANTWNAROS: To exei apodeijei diaxronika ayth h kybernhsh.

PANTAZHS: Nai, nai. Piqanes prowres ekloges ejyphretoyn ayto to dhmosio symferon;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na topoqethqw sxetika me kamia morfh senariwn.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ean moy epitrepete, qa epanelqw ligo sthn erwthsh toy k. Rabanoy. Swsta lete oti den sxoliazete dhlwseis boyleytwn, Ypoyrgwn ktl. Einai pagia h qesh sas. Parola ayta h kybernhsh qewrei logiko o ellhnikos laos na einai ermaio olwn aytwn twn senariwn, olwn aytwn twn sxoliwn, olwn aytwn twn dhlwsewn poy blepoyme kaqe hmera; Pragmatika, dhladh, qewrw oti paizetai ena qeatro toy paralogoy. Den qa prepei kapoia stigmh na peite kai seis th qesh sas kai thn apoch sas, panw se ayta ta zhthmata, ta opoia blepoyme kaqhmerinws kai stis thleoraseis kai sta radiofwna kai stis efhmerides, alla kai pantoy;

ANTWNAROS: Ejakoloyqw na mh sxoliazw ayta ta opoia prospaqeite na me odhghsete na sxoliasw. Oi Ellhnes polites exoyn krish kai katalabainoyn.

STEFOS: Den zhtaw sxolio, kyrie Ekproswpe. Ekeino to opoio qelw na sas rwthsw einai, sta plaisia ths ejyphrethshs aytoy toy dhmosioy symferontos, yparxei to endexomeno o Prwqypoyrgos na kalesei dhmosiws ton k. Papandreoy h na ton kalesei akomh kai se synanthsh, prokeimenoy na synennohqoyn oi dyo arxhgoi twn megalwn kommatwn ejoysias na ejeyreqei lysh gia ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias.

ANTWNAROS: Erwthqhka gi` ayto xqes, an den me apata h mnhmh moy kai exw topoqethqei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sth synanthsh poy eixe o Prwqypoyrgos me toys ekproswpoys twn Epimelhthriwn Ellados, toy eqesan -opws toylaxiston mas enhmerwsan kai oi idioi, nomizw qa exete endexomenws enhmerwqei- oti to qema ths eklogologias blaptei thn oikonomia. Kai opws epishs mas eipwqhke, o Prwqypoyrgos symfwnhse, legontas oti ontws h eklogologia traymatizei thn oikonomia. Pws mporei tote na apotrecei thn eklogologia o Prwqypoyrgos, efoson einai sto xeri toy na thn apotrecei;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei polles fores se ayto to qema. Den prokeitai na anaferqw me kanena tropo -sas to lew gia mia akomh fora- sto qema, sto opoio prospaqeite na me odhghsete na sxoliasw. Oi apoceis exoyn ginei dhmosia. Oses apoceis exoyn ginei dhmosia, isxyoyn, profanws giati tis exoyn kanei anqrwpoi ypeyqynoi sto akeraio. Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Anarwtiemai poia einai h skech, h protash, h antiprotash toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto qema ths eklogologias.

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei epaneilhmmena ep` aytoy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qewrei oti mono to PASOK einai apokleistika ypeyqyno gia to qema ths eklogologias;

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, katalabainw th stash sas. Thn katanow, me thn ennoia ths katanohshs. Emeis prospaqoyme ontws na sas sprwjoyme pros mia kateyqynsh, na paroyme mia dhlwsh, omws h aproqymia sas na mpeite sth logikh kai na dwsete mia pio safh apanthsh, afhnei ola ayta ta kena poy dhmioyrgoyntai, ola ayta ta gkriza shmeia kai ftiaxnei o kaqenas senaria, opws lete ki eseis. Mia kaqarh apanthsh omws, kai ta senaria qa ekleine kai toys boyleytes h toys Ypoyrgoys sas qa kaqhsyxaze kai ton ellhniko lao, qa toy elege...

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai sxolio to opoio etoimazete gia thn efhmerida sas;

TSIOYFOS: Piqanon, alla qelw kai mia apanthsh giati...

ANTWNAROS: Thn erwthsh perimenw.

TSIOYFOS: Nai. Giati den jekaqarizete to topio; Giati den lete qa kanoyme ayto h qa kanoyme to allo h den qa kanoyme tipota;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa.

ZORMPA: Qa epistrecw se mia erwthsh poy sas ypebala thn Paraskeyh, mhpws shmera fanw pio tyxerh. Dedomenoy oti, opws eipate thn Paraskeyh, to bhma ths DEQ einai safws ena prwtistws oikonomiko bhma, alla einai kai ena, paradosiaka gia tis kybernhseis, bhma poy dinei tis proqeseis gia toys epomenoys mhnes kaqe kybernhshs, toylaxiston h epomenh ths DEQ qa mas brei me aposafhnismeno politika klima;

ANTWNAROS: Den eiqistai, opws gnwrizete, oi topoqethseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, toy ekastote Prwqypoyrgoy, sth DEQ, na proanaggellontai kai na didetai mia perilhch, an qelete, toy ti prokeitai na pei. Qa prepei na perimenete na akoysete thn omilia toy.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na epanelqw sthn erwthsh toy k. Tsioyfoy, dioti nai men xrewnete synexws sto PASOK oti trofodotei ayth th syzhthsh ths eklogologias, wstoso anarwtiemai, dedomenoy oti kai me to na mhn apantaei h kybernhsh kai eseis kai na mhn mpainete se ayth th syzhthsh, den trofodoteite kai eseis ayth th syzhthsh, afhnontas ta ola anoixta; Den exete eyqynh kai eseis;

ANTWNAROS: Einai safes to ti trofodothse to PASOK. To exw pei kai alles fores, to exei pei kai o idios o ekproswpos toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Trofodothse mia paratetamenh proeklogikh periodo, me ton tropo me ton opoio topoqethqhke. Kai topoqethqhke molis xqes jana gia to qema ths epanekloghs toy shmerinoy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, toy k. Karoloy Papoylia. Se ayto anaferqhka kai se ayto menw.

KAKALHS: O k. Samaras zhthse na toy pei kapoios estw kai miso epixeirhma yper twn eklogwn. Sthn periptwsh poy o Prwqypoyrgos prosfygei se ekloges, giati einai anoixto ayto to endexomeno, den exei apokleistei, poio epixeirhma mporei na epikalestei;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai opoioys alloys tropoys kai an prospaqhsete, oso efeyretikoi kai an einai, na asxolhqw me ta senaria ta opoia paroysiazete.

KAKARNIAS: Gia tis dhlwseis Manwlh, fantazomai den qa topoqethqeite. Gia thn paraithsh toy Manwlh apo to boyleytiko ajiwma, exete kapoio sxolio; H kybernhsh exei kati na sxoliasei;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhke o grammateas ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias o k. Tragakhs.

MELIGKWNHS: Ektos apo ton k. Tragakh wstoso, topoqethqhke kai o k. Kalatzhs kai eipe oti meta ton k. Manwlh prepei kai o k. Aristotelhs Paylidhs na dieykolynei thn paratajh. Kapoio sxolio ep` aytoy;

ANTWNAROS: H prospaqeia sas na sxoliasw apoceis kai sxolia allwn den briskei prosforo edafos. H topoqethsh toy k. Tragakh einai qesmikh topoqethsh. Einai h topoqethsh toy Grammatea ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias. Gi` ayto kai sas parepemca se ayth.

TSIOYFOS: Yparxei kati to opoio protiqeste na sxoliasete gia na sas rwthsoyme;

ANTWNAROS: Otan einai kati to opoio qa qelhsw na sxoliasw, qa to sxoliasw. Me ton tropo poy qa epilejw egw omws kai oxi eseis.

KAKARNIAS: O k. Tragakhs, an den kanw laqos, anaferqhke se idioteleia toy k. Manwlh. Ayth, dhladh, einai h qesh ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na diabasete to akribes keimeno ths dhlwshs toy k. Tragakh.

MELIGKWNHS: Mias kai oi dhlwseis toy k. Tragakh, telos pantwn, einai qesmikes, afoy exei thn idiothta toy Genikoy Grammatea ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas, xqes edwse dyo synenteyjeis: Mia sto MEGA kai mia sth NET. Sto MEGA, loipon, otan rwthqhke gia ton anasxhmatismo, eipe oti anasxhmatismos prepei na ginei kai qa ginei. Gi` ayto ti exete na peite;

ANTWNAROS: Diakrinw metajy dyo safwn pragmatwn: Mia epishmh dhlwsh kai mia topoqethsh enos boyleyth. Giati o k. Tragakhs exei kai thn idiothta toy boyleyth.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia thn opoia apofash toy o Prwqypoyrgos eite ekloges eite anasxhmatismo eite tipote apo ta dyo, qa enhmerwsei ektos apo toys stenoys synergates toy kai toys Ypoyrgoys, to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio; Den lew oti qa toys sygkalesei, an qa enhmerwsei gia tis apofaseis toy kai toys Ypoyrgoys.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipote sxetika me senaria sta opoia anafereste.

KAKALHS: Mias kai anaferomaste stis dhlwseis toy k. Tragakh, anefere epishs oti h pleiochfia twn boyleytwn ths Neas Dhmokratias den epiqymei ekloges. Se periptwsh poy o Prwqypoyrgos paei se ekloges pws qa peisei thn pleiochfia twn boyleytwn ths Neas Dhmokratias gia thn anagkh tw prowrwn eklogwn;

ANTWNAROS: Epanerxeste jana kai jana sto idio qema.

Sas eyxaristw.

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