Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-08-31

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 31 Aygoystoy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 221790910

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 31 Aygoystoy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Xairetizw idiaiterws osoys epanhlqan apo tis diakopes kai einai shmera, gia prwth hmera, edw.

" Synexizontai kai shmera, opws sas exw anakoinwsei, allwste, apo thn perasmenh ebdomada, oi synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys ekproswpoys twn koinwnikwn kai oikonomikwn forewn, enocei ths Dieqnoys Ekqeshs Qessalonikhs, poy egkainiazetai to Sabbato 5 Septembrioy.

Oi synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, oloklhrwnontai ayrio, Trith, me tis dyo synanthseis: Stis 11.00 me thn antiproswpeia ths Kentrikhs Enwshs Epimelhthriwn Ellados kai stis 12.30 me toys treis foreis toy toyristikoy tomea, dhladh, toys ekproswpoys toy SETE, ths POJ (Panellhnia Omospondia Jenodoxwn) kai toy Toyristikoy Epimelhthrioy.

" Gnwrizete, asfalws, oti shmera to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos eixe mia synanthsh me toys dyo synarmodioys Ypoyrgoys, ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn k. Arh Sphliwtopoylo kai ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Giannh Papaqanasioy, sxetika me to qema poy exei proetoimastei edw kai poly kairo: Na doqei se kaqe neo maqhth kai nea maqhtria ths A' tajhs toy Gymnasioy, enas forhtos hlektronikos ypologisths.

O ypologisths aytos -to exoyme anaptyjei to qema polles fores- qa dwsei stoys maqhtes, se ayth thn krisimh hlikia, kata thn eisodo toys sto Gymnasio, th dynatothta na erqoyn se epafh me tis nees texnologies kai na ependysoyme oloi mazi sthn chfiakh tajh. Na ependysoyme dhladh se oso to dynaton kalyterh ekpaideysh ston chfiako kosmo poy -opws gnwrizete- ephreazei, kaqorizei poly th symperifora mas.

O k. Papaqanasioy, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy, symplhrwmatika, eipe, oti to kostos ayths ths prwtoboylias, apo thn opoia qa wfelhqoyn perissoteroi apo 125.000 neoi maqhtes, diamorfwnetai sta 68 ekatommyria eyrw kai exei prohghqei mia dyskolh, sklhrh diapragmateysh me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, prokeimenoy ayto na entaxqei ws epilejimo programma sta plaisia toy ESPA.

Einai mia synolikh strathgikh, opws sas eipa, thn opoia akoloyqoyme, dioti oi hlektronikoi ypologistes den qa einai ``gymnoi'', dhladh, den qa toys parei, o kaqe maqhths h h kaqe maqhtria xwris na exoyn kai to aparaithto logismiko. Kai otan lew logismiko, den ennow mono to leitoyrgiko programma poy exei epanw toy kaqe ypologisths gia na ``trejei'', alla kai eidika programmata, eidika ekpaideytika logismika -16 ton ariqmo, ap` o,ti blepw apo thn anakoinwsh poy egine- kai th didaktea ylh, ta biblia oloy toy gymnasioy, ta opoia qa einai chfiopoihmena. Qa exei, dhladh, o maqhths th dynatothta na exei thn ylh thn opoia qa didasketai, panw stoys hlektronikoys ypologistes.

Analambanetai etsi mia systhmatikh, oysiastikh, poly krisimh prwtoboylia, prokeimenoy na syndeqei akomh perissotero h nea genia, poy opws gnwrizete diaqetei perissotero apo emas, toys ligo megalyteroys sthn hlikia, ta prosonta, diaqetei thn efesh -an qelete- ths ejoikeiwshs me toys hlektronikoys ypologistes. Ths dinetai loipon allo ena efodio gia na paei akomh pio mprosta.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

POLYMEROS: Blepw kai sto shmerino Typo, alla kai to Sabbatokyriako, parakoloyqhsa Ypoyrgoys kai boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias na dixazontai. Alloi na zhtoyn ekloges, alloi na zhtoyn anasxhmatismo, alloi na lene oti einai politikh aytoktonia an pame se ekloges. Blepoyme ton Prwqypoyrgo na mhn apanta se ola ayta. Anamenete na apanthsei; Ti prokeitai na ginei; Qa pame se ekloges, qa exoyme anasxhmatismo; Mporoyme na exoyme mia tetoia apanthsh;

ANTWNAROS: Emeis eimaste epikentrwmenoi sth doyleia mas. Den exw na prosqesw kati se osa eipa tis perasmenes hmeres.

SPYRAKH: Exei programmatistei synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy thn Pempth;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, ej oswn gnwrizw.

XIWTHS: Thn Tetarth.

ANTWNAROS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, den exei programmatistei synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

TSIKRIKA: Prin apo ligh wra o k. Sabbas Tsitoyridhs, milwntas sto radiofwno toy Alpha, zhthse apo osoys Ypoyrgoys eishgoyntai ston Kwsta Karamanlh ekloges, na bgoyn kai eyqarsws na poyn oti ayth einai h qesh ths, etsi wste, opws eipe, thn epomenh na jerei o ellhnikos laos kai h Koinoboyleytikh Omada poioi phran thn paratajh kai ton Prwqypoyrgo sto laimo toys. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw apoceis.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, parakoloyqw tis epafes poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos me toys oikonomikoys kai koinwnikoys foreis. Apo aytes poy eixe mexri twra, apo thn eikona poy exw toylaxiston, den prokyptei oti oi foreis symfwnoyn me thn kybernhtikh politikh. Den symfwnoyn kai ta kommata, opws exoyn hdh topoqethqei. Kai qymamai mia frash toy Prwqypoyrgoy, thn periodo twn eyrweklogwn, poy elege oti mia kybernhsh den mporei na leitoyrghsei, otan den exei ejasfalisei mia minimoym synainesh apo ta kommata kai apo thn koinwnia. Me bash, loipon, ayth thn eikona poy diamorfwnetai, pisteyete oti h kybernhsh mporei na synexisei to kybernhtiko ths ergo;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh kanei th doyleia ths. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo. Oso gi` ayto de, to opoio genika eipate, apodidontas ayta ta opoia ferontai na exoyn pei oi ekproswpoi twn forewn -egw se orismenes apo tis synanthseis hmoyn parwn- qa elega na mhn to blepoyme etsi genikologa. Einai arketa diaforopoihmenes oi apoceis tis opoies ekfrazoyn oi foreis kata th diarkeia twn syzhthsewn tis opoies exoyn me ton Prwqypoyrgo.

O Prwqypoyrgos toys akoyei. Ayth einai allwste kai h kentrikh ennoia aytwn twn synanthsewn: Na exoyn th dynatothta oi foreis na kataqesoyn, na analysoyn, na paroysiasoyn tis apoceis toys. Kai ayto kanoyn. To kanoyn me parrhsia, to kanoyn asfalws me ayto ton tropo poy ekeinoi pisteyoyn oti ekproswpoyn toys epaggelmatikoys h koinwnikoys foreis poy toys exoyn eklejei na kanoyn ayth th doyleia. Alla qa elega oti apo tis synanthseis poy hmoyn parwn apekomisa thn entypwsh oti oi apoceis oi opoies paroysiazontai einai poly diaforopoihmenes. Den einai, dhladh, mayro kai aspro.

XIWTHS: Asfalws, den einai mayro kai aspro, alla h genikh eikona apo tis dhlwseis poy kanoyn toylaxiston oi foreis otan ejerxontai apo to Megaro Majimoy, einai oti einai antiqetoi me thn kybernhtikh politikh. Sas qymizw oti h GSEE, exei ejaggeilei hdh kinhtopoihseis gia ton Oktwbrio, h ADEDY dhlwnei oti efyge me adeia xeria apo to Megaro Majimoy, o Proedros toy EBEA thn perasmenh ebdomada dhlwse oti epiteloys prepei na jekaqarisei to politiko topio giati zhmiwnei thn agora. Dhmioyrgeitai ena periballon poy an mh ti allo, dinei thn eikona oti ton Oktwbrio qa exoyme ena bary apergiako kyma. Profanws, h kybernhsh synexizei th doyleia ths, sas erwtw, alla qewrei oti mporei na th synexizei kai gia olo to xeimwna;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati allo se ayta ta opoia eipate.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, plhrofories anaferoyn, kai den qelw na sxoliasete ayto to gegonos twn plhroforiwn, oti to porisma toy Elegkth Dhmosias Dioikhshs gia to qema twn prosfatwn pyrkagiwn, endexomenws na prokalesei prowres kriseis sthn Pyrosbestikh. Sthn periptwsh poy apodoqoyn apo to porisma, apo thn ereyna toy Epiqewrhth Dhmosias Dioikhshs sthn Pyrosbestikh Yphresia, endexetai na epimeristoyn eyqynes kai sthn politikh hgesia, toys proistamenoys ths yphresias ayths;

ANTWNAROS: Me rwtate kati entelws ypoqetiko gia ena porisma to opoio oyte eseis, oyte egw to gnwrizoyme.

TSIOYFOS: Nai, fantazomai oti tis idies plhrofories exoyme omws, oti qa katalogizontai eyqynes.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, egw den exw kamia apolytws plhroforia gia to porisma. To porisma qa ginei gnwsto otan paradoqei ekei poy prepei na paradoqei. Kai aytos poy to paralambanei qa to dhmosiopoihsei. Egw den exw kamia plhroforia gia to porisma.

TSIOYFOS: Den sas rwthsa gia to porisma, omws. Gi` ayto sas eipa den qelw na sxoliasete to porisma. Rwthsa oti sthn periptwsh poy apodoqoyn eyqynes sthn hgesia ths Pyrosbestikhs Yphresias qa epimeristoyn kai politikes eyqynes stoys politikoys proistamenoys;

ANTWNAROS: Ma, pws qa kanw sxolio gia ena porisma toy opoioy to periexomeno den gnwrizw; Eseis moy lete ti qa ginei, ean ginei, efoson ginei kai sthn periptwsh poy ginei ayto. Den mporw na sxoliasw kati tetoio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia to qema ths oikonomias kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh ekkremei gi` ayth thn Tetarth, an den kanw laqos, to krisimo ranteboy toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomias k. Papaqanasioy me ton armodio Koinotiko Epitropo k. Almoynia kai epeidh oi plhrofories diistantai se sxesh me to ti qa prajei h ellhnikh kybernhsh, alhqeyoyn oi plhrofories poy feroyn oti qa zhthqei paratash gia to qema ths meiwshs toy elleimmatos;

ANTWNAROS: Exei topoqethqei epaneilhmmenws o k. Papaqanasioy. Sas parapempw stis dhlwseis toy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, epeidh hmoyn parwn, toylaxiston to deytero hmisy toy Aygoystoy, aytes oi dhlwseis einai palies. Qewrw oti einai krisimo kai kombiko to zhthma toy ranteboy aytoy.

ANTWNAROS: Exei topoqethqei o k. Papaqanasioy. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den to diaceydete pantws oti mporei na zhthqei paratash. To afhnete anoixto.

ANTWNAROS: Exei topoqethqei o k. Papaqanasioy. Menw akribws stis dhlwseis toy k. Papaqanasioy.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy. O k. Papaqanasioy exei pei arxika kai epeidh den qa xreiazotan kan na zhthqei apo thn KOMISION paratash gia na pesei to elleimma, akribws giati to diasfalize ayto ta metra kai h oikonomikh politikh ths kybernhshs. Twra, gia na fqasei sto shmeio na zhtaei paratash akomh kai gia dyo xronia, ayto den shmainei omologia apotyxias twn metrwn kai ths politikhs ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei dhlwsh toy k. Papaqanasioy shmera to prwi sth NET. Diabaste oles tis dhlwseis kai qa eiste plhrws enhmeroi.

KAKALHS: Lew ti allaje, apo tote poy mas elege oti den qa xreiazotan kan na zhthsei h kybernhsh elleimma kai qa to edine kai twra zhtaei dyo xronia.

ANTWNAROS: Exete xasei diafora epeisodia. Kai to lew ayto xwris na qelw kaqoloy na sas qijw. Exei allajei olh h katastash sthn Eyrwph. To elleimma to opoio paroysiazei h Ellada, h apoklish toy elleimmatos ths Elladas, h apoklish toy ryqmoy anaptyjhs ths Elladas ap` ayton poy eixe proanaggelqei einai poly mikroterh apo oles tis alles xwres. Loipon, o,ti ginetai sthn Eyrwph, den afora mono thn Ellada. Exei sxesh kai me to ti ginetai ston ypoloipo eyrwpaiko xwro. Den einai anejarthto, den einai aytonomo to oikonomiko gignesqai sthn Ellada, ap` ayto poy ginetai se olh thn Eyrwph. Kai yparxoyn prwtoboylies pros orismenes kateyqynseis diaforwn xwrwn, tis opoies h Ellada otan krinei oti qelei na tis akoloyqhsei, h einai wfelimo gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia na akoloyqhqoyn, syntassetai. Etsi leitoyrgei h Eyrwph.

KAKALHS: Epeidh exw xasei teyxh, mporeite na moy peite pws to elleimma ths xwras efqase to prwto ejamhno, to eptamhno mallon, sto 8,5% toy AEP, enw sto programma staqerothtas einai gia 3,7%;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, anaferete ariqmoys oi opoioi den epibebaiwnontai apo emas.

KAKALHS: Diaceydete oti einai 8,5% sto eptamhno;

ANTWNAROS: Den epibebaiwnontai apo emas. Epanalambanw: As deite pws ejelixqhke to elleimma h o ryqmos anaptyjhs allwn xwrwn. H dieqnhs krish ejakoloyqei. Den exei stamathsei. Ayto kapoioi dyskoleyontai na to katalaboyn kai den anaferomai se esas. Kapoioi oi opoioi ekanan mhnes na katalaboyn oti yparxei oikonomikh krish, twra dyskoleyontai na paradexqoyn oti ejakoloyqei na yparxei oikonomikh krish. Apla pragmata.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, paroti den sxoliazete dhlwseis boyleytwn kai kybernhtikwn stelexwn kai einai sebasto, wstoso diapistwnete kai eseis oti yparxei mia anataraxh genikeymenh, toso sthn kybernhsh oso kai sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias apo tis fhmes kai to endexomeno na pragmatopoihqoyn prowres ekloges h kai anasxhmatismos. Anarwtiemai, giati h kybernhsh synthrei ayth thn anataraxh kai den th ``skotwnei'', den th diaceydei me mia poly aplh dhlwsh thn opoia kanate oloys toys prohgoymenoys mhnes: Den yparxei qema eklogwn, den yparxei qema anasxhmatismoy. Giati den to kanete twra;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to qema, to eipa. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh den prokrinei h den paei gia ekloges epeidh opws leei o k. Liaphs oi piqanothtes nikhs einai lian periorismenes, sxedon mhdamines;

ANTWNAROS: Kai pali den qa sxoliasw apoceis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Paroti eseis diaceydete h to afhnete, kata to hmisy, anoixto to endexomeno prosfyghs se prowres kalpes. En toytois epanerxontai ta senaria gia allagh toy eklogikoy nomoy kai na qymisw katarxhn, eirhsqw en parodw, oti hdh o eklogikos nomos exei allajei me bash to neo nomo Paylopoyloy. Xqes h k. Mpakogiannh se arqro ths sthn KAQHMERINH taxqhke yper ths allaghs pali toy eklogikoy nomoy. Poia einai h apoch sas;

ANTWNAROS: H k. Mpakogiannh eipe sygkekrimena pragmata ta opoia exoyme pei kai emeis arketes fores. Den syzhteitai ayth th stigmh, den einai epikairo to qema ths allaghs toy eklogikoy nomoy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kata ta alla ennoeite oti epeidh einai gnwstes oi apoceis ths k. Mpakogiannh kai apla tis epanefere, tis epanakateqese sto trapezi...

ANTWNAROS: Tis exei janapei h k. Mpakogiannh. Den leei kati kainoyrgio. Aytes einai gnwstes apoceis ths k. Mpakogiannh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Aphxoyn omws tis apoceis ths kybernhshs, oi proswpikes ths apoceis;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati parapanw apo ayta poy eipa.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh aisqanetai ikanopoihmenh apo ta xeiropiasta apotelesmata poy apofainetai na apodidei to paketo twn 28 disekatommyriwn poy edwse stis trapezes; Hdh anakoinwsan oi trapezes to prwto ejamhno kerdh 1,5 disekatommyrio. Aytos den htan o stoxos; H htan o stoxos na meiwsoyn ta epitokia kai na ayjhsoyn ton daneismo stis epixeirhseis kai sta noikokyria;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei gi` ayto to qema epaneilhmmenws. Den exw na pw kati allo.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dhmoskophseis den sxoliazete. Mhpws twra poy fainetai pws h diafora anebhke kai allo sto 6,2% prepei na kanete ena sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oyte gia to poiotiko stoixeio oti gia prwth fora ``phre kefali'' o k. Papandreoy ws pros to qema ths katallhlothtas sthn prwqypoyrgia;

ANTWNAROS: Den allazei kati se osa exw pei gia tis dhmoskophseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Akomh kai an diaforopoioyntai ta poiotika stoixeia;

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mias kai exete kathgorhsei para polles fores to PASOK gia to oti qetei th xwra se polymhnh proeklogikh periodo me thn apofash toy na mhn yperchfisei ton k. Papoylia, skeptetai o Prwqypoyrgos na kalesei ton Proedro toy PASOK kapoia stigmh me kapoia topoqethsh toy na jekaqarisei mia kai kalh tis proqeseis toy, ti qa kanei ton erxomeno Martio;

ANTWNAROS: Ma, einai jekaqarh h apoch toy arxhgoy toy PASOK. To exei pei epaneilhmmenws toys teleytaioys mhnes. Allo an tis teleytaies hmeres kapoioi prospaqoyn na ta poyn ligo diaforopoihmena. Alla, h qesh kai h topoqethsh toy PASOK kai toy arxhgoy toy einai jekaqarh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dhladh pame se ekloges efoson einai arnhtikh.

ANTWNAROS: Rwthqhka gia sygkekrimena pragmata kai aphnthsa oti h qesh toy arxhgoy kai toy kommatos toy einai jekaqarh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, kai apo th stigmh poy kalei, ypotiqetai oti den yparxei nohma na ton kalesei, na topoqethqei gi` ayth th qesh...

ANTWNAROS: Eipa egw tetoio pragma;

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi, lew h proektash ayths ths skechs einai oti apo th stigmh poy den xreiazetai na ton kalesei me dedomenh mia arnhtikh apanthsh, tote qa prosfygei stis kalpes.

ANTWNAROS: Exete kanei polles proektaseis kai epi skecewn tis teleytaies ebdomades, oi opoies, mallon, den sas dikaiwsan.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa me dikaiwsei h istoria.

POLYMEROS: Efoson den tiqetai qema prowrwn eklogwn, giati pisteyete oti to PASOK brisketai se plhrh eklogikh etoimothta; Edw blepw kai shmerina dhmosieymata, alla akoysa kai toys synadelfoys to Sabbatokyriako na lene oti to PASOK brisketai yp` atmon kai mexri kai tis afises exoyn etoimes sto typografeio. Giati pisteyete eseis oti to PASOK etoimazetai;

ANTWNAROS: Rwthste to PASOK.

MELIGKWNHS: Ara, apo ayto poy mas lete h kybernhsh den exei na jekaqarisei tipota sxetika me th stash toy PASOK. Qewreite dedomeno oti to PASOK to Martio den qa synainesei, etsi;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Papandreoy kai to komma toy exoyn topoqethqei epaneilhmmenws to teleytaio diasthma me jekaqaro tropo gia ayto to qema.

TSIOYFOS: H arnhsh toy PASOK na synainesei sthn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, mporei na einai logos prowrhs prosfyghs stis kalpes; Kai den ennow prowres ton Febroyario. Prowres, ton Oktwbrio.

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai to periexomeno ths erwthshs sas.

TSIOYFOS: Giati; Einai toso periplokh h erwthsh poy den thn antilambaneste;

ANTWNAROS: Den thn antilambanomai. Exw apanthsei se ola ayta ta qemata.

TSIOYFOS: Lew: H arnhsh toy PASOK na synainesei sthn eklogh Proedroy Dhmokratias, mporei na einai logos prowrhs prosfyghs stis kalpes;

ANTWNAROS: H arnhsh toy PASOK na synainesei sthn epaneklogh toy dhmofilestatoy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias k. Karoloy Papoylia, odhgei th xwra se mia paratetamenh proeklogikh periodo. Aytos einai o kindynos. To exw pei kai alles fores, gi` ayto sas lew. Frontiste na diabazete ta briefing otan den eiste edw. Exw apanthsei se ola ayta.

ROYMELIWTH: Skefteste oti h kybernhsh mporei na kanei kati na periorisei ayth thn paratetamenh proeklogikh periodo;

ANTWNAROS: Kanoyme th doyleia mas.

KAKALHS: Prwta eixate pei oti den qa epitrecete sto PASOK na odhghsei th xwra se paratetamenh proeklogikh periodo. Me poio tropo; (Den akoygetai).

ANTWNAROS: Diabaste kai to epomeno edafio ths dhlwsews ekeinhs. Qa exete thn apanthsh. Kanontas th doyleia mas kai epikentrwmenoi stis metarryqmiseis, stis anagkaies allages, se ola osa exoyme proanaggeilei.

KAKALHS: Me ayto ton tropo katapolemate thn eklogologia kai thn paratetamenh proeklogikh periodo;

Sas eyxaristw.

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