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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 20 Aygoystoy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 219691027

Ekdosh 1

BRIEFING(200809)

O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 20 Aygoystoy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Geia sas.

Xairomai poly poy sas janablepw.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, diapistwnoyme tis teleytaies hmeres oti o Prwqypoyrgos enteinei tis epafes toy me koryfaia stelexh ths kybernhshs kai anarwtiemai an ayto ginetai mono gia thn epitaxynsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy h an exei arxisei na kanei kai alloy eidoys skeceis, tis opoies mexri protinos diaceydete meta bdelygmias.

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei synexws epafes me stelexh ths kybernhshs -ayto to gnwrizete allwste, sas to exw pei kai alles fores- kai xairomai poy kanete th diagnwsh gia epitaxynsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Einai fysiko, meta tis poly liges hmeres poy eleice o Prwqypoyrgos ektos Aqhnwn, kata th diarkeia toy Dekapentaygoystoy, na synantatai me Ypoyrgoys, me melh ths kybernhshs. Allwste, opws gnwrizete, xqes synedriase kai h Kybernhtikh Epitroph me qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs. Ola ayta entassontai sthn prospaqeia thn opoia kanoyme na pame akomh pio mprosta to ergo mas, na lysoyme ta problhmata poy yparxoyn sth xwra.

XIWTHS: Den rwthsa ayto. Rwthsa an ektos ap` ayto, o Prwqypoyrgos kanei kai alles skeceis. Sas rwtw eyqews, dhladh, gia na mhn paizoyme me tis lejeis, an o Prwqypoyrgos skeftetai oti hrqe h wra na ananewqei kapws to kybernhtiko sxhma, opws plhroforoymaste oti toy proteinoyn kai synergates toy, stelexh, melh ths kybernhshs. Kai qelw epishs na sas rwthsw an isxyei h dhlwsh poy eixate kanei thn teleytaia fora, an qymamai kala, prin diakopei h enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn, oti h kybernhsh ejakoloyqei na exei orizonta tetraetias.

ANTWNAROS: Exw pei oti h kybernhsh exei eklegei gia tetraetia, opws orizei to Syntagma. Ayto einai safes. To ergo to opoio kanoyme, einai h basikh mas frontida, h basikh mas merimna, h basikh mas egnoia. Kai mesa s` ayto to plaisio pragmatopoioyntai oles oi epafes, poy kanei o Prwqypoyrgos. Opoiadhpote allh ermhneia, den exei kamia qesh. Allwste, molis proxqes, o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Prokophs Paylopoylos, anaferomenos se qemata ta opoia syzhthse me ton Prwqypoyrgo, sthn taktikh, synhqh synergasia thn opoia eixe, eipe oti ayta ta opoia syzhthse me ton Prwqypoyrgo, ta sygkekrimena qemata, exoyn orizonta mexri ton Ioynio. Deixnei, loipon, ayto oti ginetai mia mesomakroproqesmh xarajh politikhs, oytws h allws, h opoia apodeiknyetai omws kai sthn prajh. Me sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies. Me sygkekrimena erga, ta opoia bhma-bhma, fash-fash, proxwroyn pros thn oloklhrwsh kai thn ylopoihsh toys.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mesa ap` ola ayta, mas lete dhladh, oti to kybernhtiko sxhma, to synolo twn proswpwn poy apartizoyn thn kybernhsh exoyn ikanopoihsei me tis epidoseis toys ton Prwqypoyrgo kai oti o Prwqypoyrgos den protiqetai na proxwrhsei se kamia allagh to epomeno xroniko diasthma, opws toy proteinoyn synergates toy kai Ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw se ti anafereste. Egw ena pragma jerw: Thn teleytaia h thn proteleytaia hmera poy efyga kai egw apo aythn edw thn aiqoysa, gia th synhqh diakoph h opoia ginetai kaqe xrono moy kanate thn idia erwthsh kai thn prwth hmera poy erxomai moy kanete pali thn idia erwthsh. Ola ayta exoyn apanthqei. Den exw na prosqesw kati kainoyrgio.

SPYRAKH: Qewreite, dhladh, oti o Prwqypoyrgos einai ikanopoihmenos apo tis epidoseis olwn twn proswpwn poy apartizoyn to kybernhtiko sxhma kai den ektima pws xreiazetai kamia allagh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati. Exw apanthsei epaneilhmmena se ayto.

XRISTAKOS: Olo to diasthma toy kalokairioy kai me apokoryfwma tis teleytaies meres, h politikh zwh toy topoy fainetai na asxoleitai me to an qa elqei o k. Xristoforakos sthn Ellada, an qa pei kati h den qa pei. Eseis kathgoreite to PASOK gia enarjh allhlografias me enan ypodiko, opws exw diabasei kai stis anakoinwseis ths kybernhshs, to PASOK sas kataggellei oti prospaqeite na sthsete epikoinwniaka thn eleysh toy k. Xristoforakoy sthn Aqhna, gia na kerdisete kapoia wfeleia. Telikws, ti symbainei me ayth thn ypoqesh kai poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs gia to qema ths Siemens;

ANTWNAROS: Opoios parakoloyqei tis dikastikes ejelijeis, kai as mhn jexname oti ayth h ypoqesh einai antikeimeno dikastikhs ereynas, eimai bebaios oti einai kala plhroforhmenos.

Oso gi` ayto to opoio eipate, bebaiws, to eipa kai to epanalambanw: O k. Papandreoy, o idios proswpika, apofasise gia dikoys toy logoys na ginei synomilhths enos ypologoy kathgoroymenoy. Rwthste ton idio kai to komma toy, giati apefasise na ginei synomilhths enos kathgoroymenoy, toy opoioy thn ekdosh zhtaei h xwra mas, kai ti prosdoka ap` ayto.

Dioti, bebaiws, aytes oi asteiothtes, tis opoies isxyrizontai ta koryfaia stelexh toy PASOK kat` entolh toy k. Papandreoy, den exoyn kamia bash. Aytogeloiopoihsh einai ayto. To exw pei kai alles fores, to eipa kai xqes, to epanalambanw kai shmera. Kai rwtaw gia mia akomh fora: Giati arage to PASOK apeyqynei erwthmata ston en logw kathgoroymeno; Den empisteyetai, den exei empistosynh, den dinei bash se ayta poy eipe to koryfaio stelexos toys, o k. Geitonas; Mhpws taxa, den hjere apo prin, ti apanthsh qa parei; Kai efoson, en pash periptwsei, qelei na apeyqynei tetoia erwthmata pros ton kathgoroymeno -erwthmata sta opoia eidate stis eikones ths thleorashs, me ti skwptiko yfos antedrase o synhgoros toy kathgoroymenoy- efoson loipon krinei oti qelei na apeyqynei tetoia erwthmata, giati den rwtaei kai gia ton k. Tsoykato; Kai giati lew gia ton k. Tsoykato, koryfaio stelexos toy PASOK. Giati o k. Tsoykatos einai to mono politiko proswpo sthn Ellada, to opoio exei paradexqei me dikh toy omologia, oti exei parei xrhmata apo ta ``mayra tameia'' ths Siemens gia na ta dwsei sto komma toy, to PASOK. Giati, loipon, gi` ayto den rwtaei;

POLYMEROS: Eipate prin apo ligo oti h kybernhsh exei eklegei gia tetraetia. To PASOK epimenei, omws, oti den qa sas afhsei na ejantlhsete tetraetia kai to Martio, me aformh thn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, qa prokalesei ekloges. Pws qa ejantlhsete thn tetraetia;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti to Syntagma einai safes. Orizei oti mia kybernhsh eklegetai gia diasthma tetraetias. Ean to PASOK, opws nomizw epanelabe molis xqes o grammateas toy kommatos, epimenei na paizei me toys qesmoys kai malista me ton koryfaio qesmo sth xwra, ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, krinetai gi` ayth toy th symperifora apo toys Ellhnes polites.

Einai safhs h qesh mas. Emeis se tetoia paixnidia den symmetexoyme kai den exoyme kamia diaqesh na epitrecoyme sto PASOK na odhghsei th xwra se mia polymhnh proeklogikh periodo. Gi` ayto kai sas lew oti emeis eimaste epikentrwmenoi sto ergo mas. Emas mas endiaferei h oysia ths politikhs, h apodosh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, h ejeyresh lysewn sta zhthmata ths xwras. Kai s` ayta epikentrwnomaste synexws.

XRISTAKOS: Eipate oti den exete th diaqesh na epitrecete sto PASOK na odhghsei th xwra se polymhnh proeklogikh periodo. Ma, an to PASOK qelhsei na prokalesei ekloges, pws mporeite eseis na mhn to epitrecete;

ANTWNAROS: Emeis, opws sas eipa, ws ypeyqynh kybernhsh toy topoy, epikentrwnomaste sto ergo mas. Pyjida gia mas einai h prospaqeia, h synexhs prospaqeia, h syntonismenh prospaqeia gia thn epilysh twn problhmatwn poy yparxoyn sth xwra kai twn zhthmatwn poy antimetwpizoyn oi polites. Kai ayto qa synexisoyme na kanoyme.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti h xwra odhgeitai se mia pentamhnh proeklogikh periodo; Dioti, apo ayta poy perigracate molis twra kai o idios kai apo tis dhlwseis poy exei kanei to PASOK, alla kai h kybernhsh, oysiastika ayto qa ginei, qa yparjei mia proeklogikh periodos poy qa jekinhsei mesa Septembrioy ka qa oloklhrwqei, an den kanei kati h kybernhsh, telh Febroyarioy. Ayto, fantazomai, oti to anagnwrizete ws problhma toso gia th dhmosionomikh katastash ths xwras, alla kai gia thn politikh staqerothta ston topo. Protiqetai h kybernhsh na kanei kati gi` ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa, ayto to erwthma to opoio exei th morfh -den to lew epikritika- aitiasews, kalo einai na to apeyqynete sto PASOK, sto komma ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs, to opoio akribws pairnei mia qesh, poy parabiazei aprokalypta thn oysia toy Syntagmatos. Ti leei to PASOK; Leei to ejhs prwtofanes: Den chfizei ton shmerino, kaq` ola katajiwmeno sto rolo toy Proedro ths Dhmokratias k. Karolo Papoylia gia na ekbiasei th diejagwgh eklogwn kai mono meta qa ton chfisei.

H qesh ayth, to exei pei allwste kai o Prwqypoyrgos, einai kai oysiastikh parabiash toy Syntagmatos kai apopeira eytelismoy twn qesmwn kai ayto den dikaioytai na to kanei kanena komma. H stash toy PASOK apotelei akraia aneyqynothta. Kai eimai bebaios oti h megalh, h syntriptikh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn, etsi akribws th blepei, th zygizei, kai me ayton akribws ton tropo thn aporriptei.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa epistrecw sthn erwthsh toy synadelfoy k. Xrhstakoy. Eipate oti den qa epitrecete na syrei to PASOK th xwra se polymhnh proeklogikh periodo. Me poio tropo akribws mporeite na to apotrecete ayto; Ektos an prokalesete prwtoi ekloges.

ANTWNAROS: Me to ergo mas. Emeis epikentrwnomaste akribws sthn oysiastikh politikh, kanontas th doyleia mas. Ayto akribws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws. Einai apolyta safes ayto to opoio lew. Ki opws eipa, allwste, apantwntas sthn prwth erwthsh toy k. Xiwth oi synergasies toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys Ypoyrgoys kai ta alla stelexh, entassontai akribws se ayth thn organwmenh, synexws ananeoymenh prospaqeia h opoia ginetai wste na doqoyn lyseis. Na paei h xwra mprosta, na proxwrhsoyn oi diarqrwtikes allages tis opoies xreiazetai h xwra.

GKATSIOS: Epitrecte moy giati exw mia aporia. Pws sxetizetai to ergo ths kybernhshs me th dedhlwmenh proqesh toy PASOK na paei se ekloges;

ANTWNAROS: Me rwthse h k. Zormpa giati emeis den qa epitrecoyme ayto to diasthma na parei th morfh mias paratetamenhs proeklogikhs periodoy. Ayto epixeirei na kanei to PASOK. Emeis omws, epikentrwnomaste sto ergo mas. Kai to PASOK prepei na analogistei poies eyqynes exei apenanti sth xwra. To PASOK den einai enas oydeteros tritos.

O arxhgos toy PASOK den einai enas oydeteros tritos. O arxhgos toy PASOK einai qesmikos paragontas, opws problepetai sto Syntagma mas kai sth Dhmokratia mas kai prepei na symperiferetai me ypeyqyno tropo kai oxi me thn apodedeigmenh pia se oloys toys tomeis aneyqynothta thn opoia epideiknyei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kathgoreite synexws to PASOK gia aneyqynothta me aformh th stash toy sto qema toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Wstoso omws, xwris na qelw na ginw ``synhgoros toy diaboloy'', to idio to PASOK sas exei rijei to ganti. Sas exei pei oti gia na mporesei na bgei h xwra apo to adiejodo tolmhste tis ekloges. Kati poy eixate kanei kai to 2007. To 2007 prosfygate se prowres ekloges. Gia poio logo efoson to PASOK twra sas to rixnei to ganti kai sas prokalei na pate se prowres ekloges den to tolmate;

ANTWNAROS: Sygkrinete dyo anomoia pragmata. Einai poly aplo. Ejhghsa ti problepei to Syntagma kai poia einai h oysia, oxi mono to gramma ths diatajhs toy Syntagmatos poy anaferetai sthn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Den exoyme diafora gia to proswpo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Yparxei symptwsh sto proswpo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, toy shmerinoy Proedroy k. Karoloy Papoylia.

Einai, loipon, diastrofh kai parabiash toy Syntagmatos na prospaqei kapoios na prokalesei, na ekbiasei ekloges, th stigmh poy yparxei symptwsh sto proswpo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. H diatajh gia prosfygh stis kalpes exei efarmogh otan den yparxei symptwsh. Ki ayto ginetai gia na anagkasei o nomoqeths, o syntagmatikos nomoqeths, ta kommata na broyn mia koinh grammh, mia sympleysh se ena proswpo. Edw exoyme proswpo sto opoio h megalh pleiochfia, ta dyo megala kommata, symfwnoyn oti einai o katallhlos Proedros, o katajiwmenos Proedros.

Kai erxetai to PASOK kai metaxeirizetai me ayton ton syntagmatika banayso kai politika proklhtiko kai agarmpo tropo, to proswpo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias gia na yphrethsei kapoio ofelos twn melwn ths hgetikhs omadas toy k. Papandreoy, poy strabokoitane pros thn ejoysia.

PALAIOLOGOS: An moy epitrepete omws ep` aytoy, giati egw diaxwrisa plhrws to syntagmatiko zhthma toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, asxetws an diafwneite h symfwneite me to PASOK sto proswpo toy Proedroy, me to politiko problhma poy epikaleitai to PASOK. Qelw na pw oti to PASOK sas kalei na pate se ekloges twra, prin akomh kai apo thn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, giati opws isxyrizetai yparxei politiko problhma ston topo. Gi` ayto lew, an paradexomaste oti to PASOK qewrei oti yparxei politiko problhma, eseis giati den tolmate na pate se prowres ekloges twra;

ANTWNAROS: Dioti, ola ayta einai prosxhmatika. To PASOK apo thn meqepomenh twn eklogwn toy 2007 tis opoies eixe xasei, arxise na milaei gia politiko problhma. Den einai kriths toy legomenoy politikoy problhmatos, toy eikazomenoy politikoy problhmatos to PASOK, oyte o arxhgos toy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oi Eyrwekloges den edeijan oti yparxei politiko problhma; Mesolabhsan...

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai oxi. Htan mia htta ths Neas Dhmokratias, alla oi Eyrwekloges htan Eyrwekloges. Den htan na eklegei kybernhsh stis Eyrwekloges. Ti einai ayta poy lete; Nomizw oti eiste empeiros politikos syntakths.

PALAIOLOGOS: Bebaiws, den eipa oti krinetai h kybernhsh, anedeije omws ena problhma oysias.

ANTWNAROS: Den anedeije kanena problhma oysias. H kybernhsh, kaqe kybernhsh, otan exei koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia eklegetai gia tessera xronia.

SPYRAKH: Pera apo thn krish poy h kybernhsh exei gia ton tropo me ton opoion to PASOK kanei mia epilogh, to PASOK exei kanei mia epilogh kai h epilogh ayth leei oti otan qa erqei h krisimh wra, dhladh sto telos toy Febroyarioy gia thn eklogh Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, to PASOK den qa synainesei sthn eklogh Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Ayto praktika shmainei, eite symfwnei eite oxi h kybernhsh oti apo ton Septembrio eimaste se proeklogikh periodo. H kybernhsh ayto pws to antimetwpizei sthn prajh; To lew giati shmera grafthke sto BHMA oti o k. Karamanlhs eide ton k. Soyflia kai oti o Ypoyrgos PEXWDE epimenei sthn protash toy, poy thn gnwrizame oloi, oti qa prepei na ginoyn ekloges ton Oktwbrio. H kybernhsh to antimetwpizei ayto to endexomeno gia na apofygei thn ek twn pragmatwn paratetamenh eklogikh periodo, na prosfygei stis kalpes mesa sto fqinopwro;

ANTWNAROS: Thn eyqynh gia ayto poy eseis apokaleite ``proeklogikh periodo'', thn exei to PASOK. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo. Exw topoqethqei diejodikotata panw se ayto to qema.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa paw se ena allo qema, sto qema toy Xristoforakoy. Epeidh mesolabhse prin jekinhsei to briefing h atyxestath, as to poyme ypoqesh mh ekdoshs toy sthn Ellada, para tis, as to poyme, prokatabolikes qriambologies orismenwn stelexwn ths kybernhshs. Poy apodidete eseis telika ws kybernhsh to gegonos oti o k. Xristoforakos den ekdoqhke akomh sthn Ellada;

ANTWNAROS: Den krinw prajeis ths Dikaiosynhs. Kai den eida kamia qriambologikh, opws thn apokalesate, dhlwsh melwn ths kybernhshs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sto paraskhnio qriambologoysate.

ANTWNAROS: Aytes einai dikes sas ektimhseis, tis opoies den symmerizomai. Toso egw oso kai h kybernhsh, thn opoian exw thn timh na ekproswpw, sebomaste apolytws thn Dikaiosynh. Antiqeta me alloys, oi opoioi organwnoyn, eite faneres eite ypogeies alla en pash periptwsei anoikeies epiqeseis enantion ths Dikaiosynhs. Qeloyn h Dikaiosynh na apofasizei kata th dikh toys boylhsh, y la carte, kai otan den apofasizei kata th dikh toys boylhsh, tote ths epitiqentai. Kai bebaiws ennow to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, to PASOK gia na mhn yparjei kamia amfibolia.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe anaferqhkate prin sto skwptiko yfos toy synhgoroy toy k. Xristoforakoy...

ANTWNAROS: Sthn thleorash to eida.

MELIGKWNHS: Nai, nai. Wstoso epeidh htan o idios o synhgoros aytos o opoios dhlwne sto BHMA oti ean h Nea Dhmokratia qelei stoixeia gia plhrwmes kai klp, as mas steiloyn ena aithma kai qa toys apanthsoyme. Giati einai ekteqeimeno to PASOK, to opoio ``shkwse to ganti'', asxetws an to ``ganti'' htan gia th Nea Dhmokratia kai den einai o synhgoros, o opoios exei yposxeqei stoixeia kai twra leei oti den mporei na ta dwsei.

ANTWNAROS: Ta kommata se organwmenes kai politika wrimes koinwnies prepei na symperiferontai me ton tropo ekeino poy den toys ekqetei kai den toys kanei synomilhtes enos kathgoroymenoy. Alloimono ean kapoio komma prokaloymeno apo ton oiondhpote h apo kapoia feromenh dhlwsh kapoioy antidra me tropo, o opoios einai eite antideontologikos eite to ekqetei. Egw pisteyw oti ekeino to opoio ekane to PASOK ekqetei to idio to PASOK. To aytogeloiopoiei. Einai adianohto -to epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora- na ginetai ena komma, na ginetai o arxhgos toy sygkekrimenoy kommatos, giati ekeinos phre thn apofash opws anakoinwqhke, synomilhths opoioydhpote kathgoroymenoy. Ayta einai prwtofanh pragmata. Prwtofanh sta dieqnh dikastika xronika. As cajei to PASOK na mas pei poy alloy exei ginei kati tetoio. Tote qa katalabei to megeqos ths terastias gkafas poy diepraje.

Sas eyxaristw.

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