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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 11 Ioynioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 207407662

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 11 Ioynioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Geia sas.

Oloklhrwqhke, prin apo ligo, sto Megaro Majimoy, h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh. Opws gnwrizete, syzhthqhkan qemata asfaleias kai laqrometanasteyshs, ena qema - -opws gnwrizete apo polles anafores poy exw kanei- - idiaitera shmantiko gia th xwra mas.

H dhmosia tajh kai h asfaleia toy polith apoteloyn amesh, monimh kai koryfaia proteraiothta ths kybernhshs. Ta bhmata poy exoyn ginei, oi prwtoboylies poy exoyn lhfqei to teleytaio diasthma pros ayth thn kateyqynsh, dhladh thn empedwsh toy aisqhmatos asfaleias, apo tis Arxes ths Politeias - -kai idiaitera apo thn Ellhnikh Astynomia poy einai tagmenh se ayto to skopo- - einai shmantika kai hdh paragoyn apta apotelesmata.

Fysika, h prospaqeia einai diarkhs kai qa synexistei me entonoteroys ryqmoys, wste na enisxyqei akomh perissotero to aisqhma asfaleias gia oloklhrh thn ellhnikh koinwnia.

Ena apo ta megala zhthmata poy antimetwpizei h xwra mas einai to problhma twn mh nomimwn metanastwn, aytwn poy apokaloyme kaqhmerina ``laqrometanastes''. Fysika, katanooyme toys logoys poy anagkazoyn - -eidika ta teleytaia dyo xronia- - dekades xiliades anqrwpwn apo diafores xwres na egkataleipoyn tis esties toys, sth syntriptikh toys pleiochfia gia oikonomikoys logoys, anazhtwntas mia kalyterh tyxh gia toys idioys kai tis oikogeneies toys, poy syxna tis afhnoyn pisw.

H Ellada einai paradosiaka mia poly filojenh xwra, poy exei dexqei, omws, ws ek ths gewgrafikhs ths qeshs, ena dysanaloga megalo ariqmo apo aytoys toys anqrwpoys. Oyte h oikonomia, oyte h koinwnia mas antexoyn mia anejelegkth egkatastash kai allwn metanastwn sth xwra mas, idiws me toys ryqmoys twn teleytaiwn dyo-dyomisi etwn.

Me gnwmones to sebasmo ths anqrwpinhs ajioprepeias kai thn asfaleia olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn, apofasisthke, meta apo thn aparaithth epejergasia, h lhch qesmikwn, praktikwn-oysiastikwn kai nomikwn metrwn, oytws wste na mhn yparxoyn fainomena poy na dhmioyrgoyn thn esfalmenh entypwsh mias mh eynomoymenhs Politeias.

Sygkekrimena:

Prwton: Einai gnwsto se oloys oti edw kai arketa xronia me tis draseis ths shmerinhs kybernhshs, me tis syntonismenes prospaqeies poy kanei to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, alla kai tis energeies toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn se dyo tomeis poy einai parallhloi alla se kapoio shmeio synantwntai, polles eyrwpaikes xwres, polloi etairoi mas sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh arxisan na antilambanontai thn idiaiterothta toy problhmatos ths laqrometanasteyshs.

Den einai problhma mono diko mas. Den einai problhma mono kai allwn xwrwn stis noties aktes ths Eyrwphs, opws einai h Italia, h Ispania, h Malta, h Kypros. Einai problhma olwn. Einai problhma olwn - -to exw pei kai alles fores- - giati h megalh pleiochfia twn laqrometanastwn poy erxontai sth xwra mas h mpainoyn se alles xwres ths notias Eyrwphs, ws teliko proorismo exoyn synhqws tis xwres ths Kentrikhs kai ths Boreias Eyrwphs.

Sas ypenqymizw oti thn perasmenh ebdomada, thn Pempth, sth Synodo twn Ypoyrgwn Eswterikwn twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs poy egine sto Loyjemboyrgo, o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Prokophs Paylopoylos, gia mia akomh fora, ypogrammise th shmasia toy problhmatos kai to dysbastaxto xarakthra poy apokta gia th dikh mas xwra. Kai mazi me tis prospaqeies poy exei kanei h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Mpakogiannh, poy htan xqes sth Stokxolmh - -opws gnwrizete h Soyhdia ton epomeno mhna analambanei thn Proedria ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs- - odhghsan sthn paradoxh, gia prwth fora, toy armodioy Epitropoy k. Mparo na pei oti oi xwres ths Kentrikhs kai ths Boreias Eyrwphs prepei na syndramoyn tis xwres ths Notias Eyrwphs kai na dexqoyn sto diko toys edafos ena tmhma twn mh nomimwn metanastwn poy fqanoyn stis xwres ths Notias Eyrwphs.

Einai, epishs, gnwsto oti eimaste apo toys prwtagwnistes twn prospaqeiwn poy ginontai gia thn enisxysh ths FRONTEX. Eimaste, epishs, o prwtagwnisths gia th dhmioyrgia mias koinhs eyrwpaikhs aktofylakhs. Eimaste h xwra me th megalyterh aktogrammh. Eimaste h xwra poy dexomaste to megalytero ariqmo mh nomimwn oikonomikwn metanastwn sth xwra mas.

Sta plaisia twn dieqnwn sxesewn kai propantos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, opws molis sas periegraca, qa entaqoyn oi hdh syntonismenes prospaqeies gia dieqnh synergasia me dyo kyrioys stoxoys:

Prwton, na anakopei fysika h roh mh nomimwn metanastwn sth xwra, o kyrios ogkos twn opoiwn - -opws gnwrizete oloi- - proerxetai apo thn Toyrkia, ennow oti xrhsimopoioyn ws xwra metabashs thn Toyrkia kai

Deyteron, na epanapatristoyn osoi briskontai paranoma shmera sth xwra.

Se ayto to plaisio, o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs apesteile xqes epistolh ston Tsexo omologo toy epishmainontas ta qemata sta opoia emeis dinoyme apolyth proteraiothta. Einai ta qemata poy sas tonisa. Epeshmane, epishs, oti perimenei ayta ta qemata afenos na syzhthqoyn sto epikeimeno Eyrwpaiko Symboylio ths epomenhs ebdomadas stis Bryjelles kai afeteroy na perilhfqoyn sygkekrimena stoixeia sta Symperasmata toy Symboylioy.

Argotera, qa sas dianeimw sthn ellhnikh metafrash to plhres keimeno ths epistolhs poy apesteile o Prwqypoyrgos ston Tsexo omologo toy.

Deyteron: Gnwrizete oti oi diaboyleyseis me polles alles kybernhseis den einai kati poy oloklhrwnetai apo th mia mera sthn allh. Apaiteitai xronos. Ginetai antallagh apocewn. Einai aparaithto na ejeyreqoyn oi katallhloi poroi. Prepei na organwqoyn oi koines draseis. Alla, opws sas eipa, briskomaste se kalo dromo. Mexris otoy oloklhrwqoyn aytes oi diadikasies, apofasisthke h dhmioyrgia me taxytatoys ryqmoys - -to ypogrammizw- - xwrwn ypodoxhs, opoy qa diabioyn oi mh nomimoi metanastes se anqrwpines synqhkes. Hdh briskontai se poly proxwrhmeno stadio - -qa elega oti briskontai sto stadio ths oloklhrwshs- - oi synennohseis metajy twn synarmodiwn forewn.

Triton: Me nomoqetikh ryqmish poy erxetai osonoypw sth Boylh, parateinetai o megistos xronos filojenias twn mh nomimwn metanastwn, stoys en logw xwroys, sta en logw kentra ypodoxhs, stoys dwdeka mhnes apo toys treis mhnes poy isxyei shmera. Bebaiws, me tis proypoqeseis poy problepoyn oi eyrwpaikes diatajeis.

Qa hqela na tonisw oti h ryqmish ayth - - enhmerwtika sas to lew- - exei kai to xarakthra ths apotrophs. Dioti kapoioi poy erxontai paranoma, syllambanontai apo tis diwktikes Arxes kai odhgoyntai se enan xwro filojenias gia mikro diasthma, riskaroyn na erqoyn, an qelete, kai syzhteitai ayto apo omoeqneis toys, opote endexomenws h Ellada, poy exei kai aythn thn poly dyskola na elegxqei aktogrammh, ginetai ena eidos magnhth. Gi` ayto akribws kai me plhrh efarmogh twn eyrwpaikwn kanonwn apofasisthke to megisto orio- -den shmainei oti qa efarmozetai panta- - na ayjhqei apo treis se dwdeka mhnes.

Tetarton: Metatrepetai me nomoqetikh ryqmish se kakoyrghma to ajiopoino adikhma gia toys laqrodiakinhtes metanastwn, aytoys poy apokaloyme sthn kaqomiloymenh ``doylemporoys''.

Kai qa to pw jekaqara: To emporio anqrwpwn kai twn elpidwn toys einai ena apo ta pio apanqrwpa kakoyrghmata poy mporei na diaprajei kaneis. Kai osoi to diaprattoyn prepei na gnwrizoyn oti se aythn edw th xwra qa toys perimenei h aysthrothta ths ellhnikhs nomoqesias apo toyde kai sto ejhs.

Pempton: Se mia koinwnia isopoliteias kai isonomias, opws einai fysika h dikh mas, ejasfalizontai ola ta dikaiwmata twn mh nomimwn metanastwn, anejarthtws proeleyshs, fylhs h qrhskeias. Oi anqrwpoi poy briskontai entos twn synorwn ths Elladas einai oloi isoi apenanti sto nomo. Exoyn oloi ta idia dikaiwmata kai fysika kai tis idies ypoxrewseis. Ti qelw na pw me ayto; Osoi zoyn edw, einai aytonohto oti prepei na sebontai ton topo kai toys nomoys toy. Se ayto to plaisio prowqeitai, metajy twn allwn, me grhgoroys ryqmoys h kataskeyh temenoys kai nekrotafeioy gia toys Moysoylmanoys sto qrhskeyma, metanastes sthn perioxh ths Attikhs.

Telos, qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw oti kata th diarkeia ths poly paragwgikhs, oysiastikhs kai apotelesmatikhs, opws panta, syzhthshs poy egine sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, apofasisthke h systash Eqnikoy Syntonistikoy Symboylioy Metanasteyshs, enos eyeliktoy organoy poy qa apoteleitai apo ligoys ton ariqmo ekproswpoys twn synarmodiwn Ypoyrgeiwn kai Arxwn. H armodiothta toy qa einai na epilambanetai olwn twn sxetikwn qematwn. Na syntonizei tis draseis. Na dinei grhgores kai praktikes lyseis, opoy xreiazetai. Na kanei protaseis. Ayta sas ta anaferw endeiktika. Kai epikefalhs toy en logw Symboylioy oristhke o symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Antwnhs Sgardelhs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KALARYTHS: Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh. Meta thn paramonh toys stoys xwroys ypodoxhs gia kapoioys mhnes, qa epanaprowqoyntai stis xwres apo tis opoies hrqan;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas apanthsw poly eyxaristws. Prwton, opws gnwrizete, ena apo ta problhmata ta opoia antimetwpizoyn, oxi mono h Ellada, alla kai alles xwres stis opoies fqanoyn me diaforoys tropoys oi mh nomimoi metanastes, einai oti den exoyn eggrafa otan fqanoyn. Kai ayto, eite giati ta exoyn katastrecei, eite giati den diaqetoyn kan tajidiwtika eggrafa. Kai synepws, den einai eykolh, prwton h taytopoihsh toys kai deyteron, h organwsh ths epistrofhs toys, ths epaneisdoxhs toys stis xwres apo tis opoies proerxontai.

Deyteron, xwres apo tis opoies proerxetai megalos ariqmos aytwn twn metanastwn, arnoyntai na synacoyn sxetikes symfwnies epaneisdoxhs me oles tis eyrwpaikes xwres. Opote, pali den einai dynath h epistrofh stis patrides toys me kanena tropo.

Ekeino to opoio twra epixeireitai kai to opoio zhtei kai o Prwqypoyrgos sthn epistolh toy - -moy dinete thn eykairia na anaferqw ligo analytikotera sthn epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy- - einai h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh synolika ws ontothta na epidiwjei th synach tetoiwn symfwniwn me tis xwres aytes kai me thn Toyrkia. Anaferw mia xwra endeiktika, xwris na exw kamia proqesh na daktylodeijw kamia xwra. To Pakistan einai mia apo aytes tis xwres apo thn opoia proerxontai polloi, mh nomimoi, metanastes.

Ayto, opws antilambaneste qa bohqhsei oloys mas, oles tis eyrwpaikes xwres na stelnoyn stis patrides toys anqrwpoys oi opoioi paranoma breqhkan sth xwra mas h se alles xwres kai den apoktoyn kata th diarkeia ths paramonhs toys edw ta nomima eggrafa paramonhs.

Qa sas ypenqymisw oti me thn Toyrkia yparxei ena tetoio prwtokollo, to opoio ean qymamai kala ypegrafh to etos 2001. Alla dystyxws h Toyrkia mexri shmera den antapokrinetai me ton tropo poy qa eprepe kai me ton tropo poy qa qelame, stis ypoxrewseis tis opoies exei analabei.

Sxetikes anafores ekane, opws sas eipa, thn perasmenh ebdomada, stis 4 Ioynioy, meta th Synodo sto Loyjemboyrgo kai o k. Paylopoylos, o opoios eipe oti h Toyrkia, me synepeies se o,ti afora thn entajiakh ths diadikasia, qa prepei na efarmosei kai ayth th symfwnia. Emeis to apaitoyme. Den mporei h Toyrkia na qelei na ginei melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai na mhn efarmozei symfwnies tis opoies exei synacei me alles xwres, en prokeimenw, me emas.

SANTAMOYRHS: To temenos qa einai mono xwros qrhskeytikhs latreias h qa perilambanei kai politistiko xwro;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai se qesh na sas apanthsw, ayth th stigmh. Alla, ekeino poy mas endiaferei einai h qrhskeytikh latreia. Einai fysiko oti ta polla melh ths megalhs ayths qrhskeias prepei na exoyn th dynatothta na proseyxontai se ena tzami, se ena temenos. H xwra mas sebetai oles tis qrhskeies, oles tis ekfraseis latreias kai ayto to exei apodeijei, opws sas eipa, sthn prajh.

XRISTAKOS: Pera apo ta qemata poy mas anaferate kai ta opoia gia osoys toylaxiston parakoloyqoyme dhmosiografika tis Synodoys twn Eyrwpaiwn hgetwn, exoyn teqei epaneilhmmenws kai apo ton k. Karamanlh kai apo alloys hgetes poy toys endiaferei, kyriws twn mesogeiakwn xwrwn, yparxei sth xwra mas kai ena allo sobaro problhma, to opoio blepoyme kaqhmerina, einai ena koinwniko pleon problhma: Ellhnes polites na symplekontai se kentrikotates geitonies ths Aqhnas kai ths xwras me allodapoys polites, me aformh th xrhsh kapoiwn xwrwn, me aformh th stoibajh toys se diamerismata xwris stoixeiwdeis synqhkes ygieinhs kai ara kindyno kai gia th dhmosia ygieinh. Na mhn ta anaferw, nomizw oti einai qemata ta opoia ta jerete kai ta blepoyme kaqhmerina se ola ta MME. Gi` aytes tis anhsyxies twn Ellhnwn politwn, exete apanthseis se o,ti afora thn entajh twn sygkekrimenwn omadwn laqrometanastwn h kai allwn, en pash periptwsei, anqrwpwn poy dhmioyrgoyn problhmata ston koinwniko isto se kapoia lysh apo tis sygkekrimenes poy mas paroysiasate ws shmera;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio eipa einai aplo: Anqrwpoi oi opoioi briskontai me mh nomimo tropo sth xwra mas eite qa prepei na egkataleicoyn th xwra, na breqoyn tropoi - -sas eipa poioi- - na egkataleicoyn th xwra h gia megalytero xroniko diasthma na filojenoyntai se tetoia kentra ypodoxhs. Eimai bebaios oti tetoies lyseis einai apolyta synnomes me to Eyrwpaiko Dikaio kai me osa kratoyn stis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, alla kyriws kai me thn anqrwpinh ajioprepeia. Kanenas den prepei na meiwqei sthn ajioprepeia toy. Den prepei na yparjei tipote to opoio na qewrhqei oti qigei kapoion sta basika dikaiwmata poy exei kai ta opoia einai sebasta, opws sas eipa.

Alla, apo thn allh meria, prepei na ginetai antilhpto oti den prepei na qigontai oyte h ajioprepeia, oyte ta dikaiwmata twn idiwn twn Ellhnwn politwn, na zoyn, opws exoyn epilejei, sto diko toys ton topo. Kai gi` ayto akribws epejergazomaste edw kai kairo, mia seira prwtoboyliwn poy ws stoxo exoyn na antimetwpisoyn to megalo problhma to opoio dhmioyrghqhke ta teleytaia dyomish xronia.

Eimai bebaios oti ean deite tis statistikes qa diapistwsete eykola thn ekrhjh poy yparxei stoys ariqmoys. An qymamai kala, yparxei ypertriplasiasmos stoys ariqmoys twn mh nomimwn metanastwn apo to 2005 mexri shmera. Ta aitia einai polla. Exoyn na kanoyn kai me th ftwxeia, h opoia yparxei stis xwres apo opoy proerxontai oi anqrwpoi aytoi. Sas eipa oti einai kyriws oikonomikoi metanastes.

Me olo to sebasmo poy exoyme - -egw pisteyw kai ws Politeia kai ws koinwnia kai o kaqenas apo emas jexwrista- - gia tis anagkes kai tis pieseis poy dexontai oloi aytoi oi anqrwpoi, sas eipa oti h koinwnia mas exei kai oria, exei antoxes tis opoies den mporei na yperbei. Pisteyw akradanta oti emeis eimaste mia poly filojenh xwra, alla prepei na kanoyme kai o,ti einai aparaithto gia na diafylajoyme kai to xarakthra ths filojenias poy exei h xwra mas.

Na sas pw, epishs, oti ola ayta poy sas paroysiasa einai apotelesma mias kala organwmenhs, syntonismenhs metanasteytikhs politikhs poy efarmozetai edw kai tria-tessera xronia. Einai apotelesma mias metanasteytikhs politikhs poy lambanei ypoch kai tis anagkes ths xwras se ergatiko dynamiko. Ennow gia qeseis ergasias tis opoies den qeloyn h den mporoyn na analaboyn Ellhnes polites. Lambanei, epishs, ypoch ta dikaiwmata ta opoia apoktoyn oi allodapoi oi opoioi zoyn edw polla xronia, alla apo thn allh meria kai tis anagkes poy yparxoyn, wste na mhn fqanei o ariqmos twn mh nomimwn metanastwn se dysqewrhta ych.

Kanoyme, loipon, o,ti einai aparaithto gia na ejasfalizoyme thn isorropia sthn koinwnias mas. Mia koinwnia h opoia einai anoikth, einai dektikh sto jeno stoixeio, alla qelei na diathrhsei kai ta dika ths xarakthristika.

SANTAMOYRHS: H zwh twn laqraia diakinoymenwn metanastwn sthn Aqhna exei ginei aformh gia sygkroyseis akrodejiwn kai antiejoysiastwn, alla kai apo thn allh pleyra ena stoixeio toy poly entonoy flert toy Laikoy Orqodojoy Synagermoy pros thn pleyra ths kybernhshs. Ayth h politikh thn opoia mas perigrafete mexri twra apanta se ayta ta dyo fainomena;

ANTWNAROS: H politikh ayth, opws sas eipa, einai politikh thn opoia epejergazetai kai efarmozei stadiaka me tis anagkaies prosarmoges opote xreiazetai, h shmerinh kybernhsh edw kai tria-tessera xronia. Einai gnwstes oi prwtoboylies poy exoyme parei kai sto eswteriko kai sto ejwteriko. Einai gnwstes oi prwtoboylies poy exei parei to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn kai exei dhmioyrghsei kentra ypodoxhs sth Samo, konta sta boreia synora mas, prosfata sthn Peloponnhso, konta sthn Patra, ayto poy brisketai twra se ejelijh.

Ti shmainei ayto; Thn yparjh toy qematos, th diapistwsame egkaira kai kaname oles ekeines tis energeies toso sto eswteriko - - epanalambanw - - oso kai sto ejwteriko, me tis prwtoboylies poy anelabe h kybernhsh dia twn synarmodiwn Ypoyrgwn afenos men, kai me ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo kyriws, afeteroy, wste na ftasoyme akribws se ayto to epipedo synergasias poy sas periegraca sthn eisagwgh moy.

Ena epipedo synergasias poy deixnei oti exoyme kanei safh stoys etairoys mas sthn Eyrwpaikh 'Enwsh, thn ojythta twn problhmatwn poy antimetwpizoyn oi xwres ths Notias Eyrwphs, me prwth ap' oles, th dikh mas xwra, thn Ellada. Logw akribws ths gewgrafikhs ths qeshs. Logw akribws ths geitniashs ths me tis perioxes apo tis opoies proerxontai oi perissoteroi laqrometanastes. Logw, opws sas eipa, ths poly megalhs aktogrammhs poy exoyme.

Kai gnwrizete poly kala pws oi Arxes ths ellhnikhs Politeias poy exoyn taxqei sto na fylane ta xersaia kai ta qalassia synora mas, yperbainoyn eayton. Kanoyn o,ti einai dynaton, pera apo ayto, prokeimenoy na antapokriqoyn sthn apostolh toys. Alla oloi mas se ayth thn aiqoysa - - kai oxi mono - - gnwrizoyme pws einai diamorfwmenos o qalassios xwros mas.

SANTAMOYRHS: H politikh thn opoia perigracate prin apo ligo, qewreite oti qa lysei to problhma to opoio epistegazetai ypo ton oro ``Agios Pantelehmonas'' kai qa apotrecei antistoixes periptwseis afenos kai afeteroy qa apanthsei sto politiko flert to opoio epixeirei o LAOS pros thn pleyra ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ANTWNAROS: Sto prwto qema sto opoio anaferqhkate qa sas pw oti oles oi prospaqeies mas kai se ayto ton tomea katateinoyn se kati poly aplo: Na meiwsoyn thn entash, opoy diapistwnoyme oti yparxei. Den eqelotyfloyme. Den wraiopoioyme katastaseis. Kai mas endiaferei opoy yparxoyn entaseis, opoy yparxoyn dyskolies me metra ta opoia lambanontai, me prwtoboylies oi opoies jediplwnontai, na omalopoieitai h katastash.

Sto deytero qema sto opoio anaferqhkate, qa hqela na epanalabw ayto to opoio eipa xqes se grapth moy dhlwsh: Den yparxei kanena tetoio qema. H antidhmokratikh kai prwtofanhs gia thn politikh zwh toy topoy protroph toy k. Karatzaferh se boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, oysiastika na anatrecoyn thn eklegmenh kybernhsh ths xwras, qelete na sas to pw diaforetika; Na strafoyn kata toy kommatos me to opoio exoyn eklegei, apeikonizei anaglyfa to aparadekto politiko hqos toy arxhgoy toy LAOS. Ena hqos poy apla epibebaiwnei ayto poy sas exw pei kai alles fores me kapoio allo tropo, alla me to idio periexomeno: Epibebaiwnei to agefyrwto xasma poy yparxei anamesa sth Nea Dhmokratia kai to LAOS.

KALARYTHS: Ep' aytoy, wstoso, meta to apotelesma twn eyrweklogwn tis teleytaies hmeres, stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias kai kybernhtikoi boyleytes me dhlwseis toys se radiofwna, exoyn taxqei eite eyqews yper ths synergasias eklogikhs h meteklogikhs ths Neas Dhmokratias me to LAOS, eite exoyn thn apoch oti den prepei na kleisei h porta toy dialogoy me ayto to komma dhmosiws. Pws sxoliazete tis topoqethseis aytes;

ANTWNAROS: Proswpikes apoceis den sxoliazw. H qesh mas einai ayth poy molis sas anefera.

KALARYTHS: Me aformh thn topoqethsh sas prin apo ligo sxetika me to hqos toy k. Karatzaferh kai th xqesinh antistoixh, kanete ayth thn topoqethsh giati pisteyete, exete ypocies, oti kapoioi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias yparxei periptwsh na flertaroyn ypogeiws me to LAOS kai na strafoyn kata toy kommatos; Deixnei san mia kybernhsh na anhsyxei apo thn prosklhsh toy k. Karatzaferh kai qelw na rwthsw an exete endeijeis oti yparxei kapoioy eidoys antapokrish apo boyleytes sas;

ANTWNAROS: Mhn ermhneyete pragmata ta opoia egw den eipa. Egw eipa xqes, erwtwmenos, oti eimai bebaios oti oloi oi boyleytes toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias sto ellhniko Koinoboylio qa antapokriqoyn me synepeia sthn apostolh toys. Synepws, ayto to opoio eipa pro oligoy, apeikonizei aplws thn pragmatikothta, opws thn blepoyme emeis.

SANTAMOYRHS: Shmera sto radiofwno toy ALPHA o k. Karatzaferhs dhlwse oti me aformh to o,ti eseis allajate thn politikh sas gia to metanasteytiko, fainetai oti exete thn idia akribws atzenta. Ennow h kybernhsh kai to LAOS. Pws to sxoliazete ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. H politikh mas einai synephs. H metanasteytikh politikh ths shmerinhs kybernhshs einai pros ofelos toy topoy kai olwn twn politwn. Einai mia politikh poy xarakthrizetai apo synexeia, synepeia kai oysiastikh apotelesmatikothta.

XRISTAKOS: Epeidh blepoyme kai diabazoyme pali ta senaria peri anasxhmatismoy, yparxei tetoio qema;

ANTWNAROS: Xrhsimopoihsate th swsth frash. Einai senaria poy den exoyn bash.

SANTAMOYRHS: H symfwnia gia thn epaneisdoxh sthn Toyrkia htan antikeimeno ths legomenhs tote ``xamhlhs politikhs''. Kai epeidh ekeinh den exei apodwsei, na perimenoyme oti endexomenws to qema qa antimetwpistei se mia ychloterh politikh poy akoloyqei;

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas eipa, emeis pisteyoyme oti h Toyrkia prepei na klhqei apo to synolo twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs 'Enwshs na timhsei th symfwnia, to Prwtokollo to opoio exei synacei me mas. H Toyrkia exei ypoxrewseis apenanti sthn Eyrwph.

KALARYTHS: Boyleytes kai stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias meta to apotelesma twn eyrweklogwn zhtoyn na yparjoyn allages kai prosarmoges se politikes, se proteraiothtes kai se ryqmoys. H kybernhsh symmerizetai thn apoch oti ontws prepei na yparjei mia prosarmogh kai allages;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhke gia ola ayta ta qemata me polles leptomereies kai me tropo poy den afhnei anapanthta erwthmatika o Prwqypoyrgos sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

SANTAMOYRHS: Eipate prohgoymenws - - kai to eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos prin apo liges meres - - oti to metanasteytiko problhma den einai qema to opoio mporei na lyqei apo mia xwra. Einai qema eyrwpaikhs politikhs. An h Eyrwpaikh 'Enwsh deijei thn aneparkeia politikhs thn opoia eixe deijei mexri twra para tis symfwnies poy exoyn prohghqei, h Ellada pws qa antimetwpisei to problhma;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti oi prospaqeies tis opoies exoyme analabei se diplwmatiko kai se dieqnes epipedo apodidoyn hdh toys prwtoys karpoys. Einai alhqeia oti oi xwres ths Kentrikhs kai ths Boreias Eyrwphs, poy den exoyn ayth thn prwtofanh eisroh oikonomikwn mh nomimwn metanastwn, dyskoleythkan kai isws na dyskoleyontai akomh na antilhfqoyn kai to megeqos kai thn ojythta toy problhmatos. Deixnoyn, omws, twra oti antilambanontai ti akribws symbainei. Ayto mas kanei sxetika aisiodojoys. Emeis omws, opws sas eipa, sto eswteriko analambanoyme oles ekeines tis prwtoboylies - - symplhrwnoyme me tis prwtoboylies poy sas anakoinwsa to hdh yparxon plaisio - - prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme ta qemata poy prokyptoyn. Kai eimai bebaios oti me tis dynatothtes poy exoyme, qa exoyme apotelesmata.

Sas eyxaristw.

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