Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-05-05

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 5 Maioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 200415961

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 5 Maioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhmera sas.

" Ayrio, Tetarth 6 Maioy, stis 12 to meshmeri qa synedriasei, sto Megaro Majimoy, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh. Gia to qema qa enhmerwqeite argotera.

" Argotera, stis 14:30, o Prwqypoyrgos qa dexqei sto Megaro Majimoy, thn omada mpasket toy PANAQHNAIKOY poy anadeixqhke prwtaqlhtria Eyrwphs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh apo to synoliko apotelesma ths xqesinhs chfoforias einai ikanopoihmenh;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai qema ikanopoihshs. Einai qema oloklhrwshs mias diadikasias, h opoia problepetai apo to Syntagma, toys nomoys kai ton Kanonismo, bebaiws, ths Boylhs kai h opoia, opws sas exw pei, eixe sygkekrimeno antikeimeno: Na diereynhsei kata poson yparxoyn logoi, endeijeis, sygkekrimena stoixeia, gia th diwjh h mh diwjh enos meloys toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy. Kai h diadikasia ayth oloklhrwqhke xqes, me thn chfoforia h opoia egine. Einai sygkekrimeno ti problepei to Syntagma, einai sygkekrimeno ti problepoyn oi keimenes diatajeis kai basei aytwn twn diatajewn, oloklhrwqhke h diadikasia.

KAKALHS: Dhlwsate kai xqes oti sebeste th qesmikh leitoyrgia ths Boylhs. Wstoso to diasyrmo ths Boylhs, h opoia emfanizetai me thn chfo ths na koykoylwnei sthn pragmatikothta politika skandala, ayto den to analogizeste epi ths oysias pleon;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas ermhneia, thn opoia den symmerizomai.

KAKALHS: Thn antilambanetai h pleiochfia toy kosmoy, opws katalabainete.

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio jerw einai oti sygkekrimenes diatajeis problepoyn sygkekrimena pragmata, prokeimenoy na askhqei diwjh se ena melos toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy. Ean kapoioi epiqymoyn, opws kanoyn - - kai den anaferomai se esas- - syneidhta kai systhmatika ton teleytaio kairo na apajiwnoyn th qesmikh leitoyrgia twn organwn ths ellhnikhs Politeias, otan ta organa ayta den leitoyrgoyn me ton tropo poy ekeinoi qa hqelan na leitoyrgoyn, mono kako ston eayto toys kanoyn. Oi qesmikes leitoyrgies einai sygkekrimenes. Kai exoyme oloi kaqhkon na sebomaste ton tropo me ton opoio leitoyrgoyn ta organa kai malista ena anwtato organo ths ellhnikhs Politeias, opws einai h Boylh.

KAKALHS: Epi ths diadikasias apantate, egw sas lew epi ths oysias.

XRHSTAKOS: Epeidh egine para poly syzhthsh apo oloys, kai apo toys Ellhnes polites, toys politikoys, dhmosiografoys, olo ayto to teleytaio diasthma, me aformh thn ypoqesh Paylidh, alla kai tis prohgoymenes poy syzhthqhkan sth Boylh kai isws kai tis epomenes poy qa erqoyn kai epeidh milhsate kai gia qesmikoys roloys, toys opoioys asfalws, fantazomai, kaneis den exei antirrhsh oti prepei na ginontai sebastoi, wstoso gia thn kybernhsh yparxei qema peraiterw syzhthshs gia to an aytes oi qesmikes diadikasies qa eprepe na allajoyn ws pros to ejhs, ws pros to ean qa mporei h mporei h prepei h Boylh na ejetazei mia periptwsh poy einai kaqara nomikh me politikoys oroys, me apotelesma na blepoyme piqanotata diaforetikh chfo apo ayth poy isws qa eixan an orismenoi ek twn boyleytwn hqelan na chfisoyn kata syneidhsh; Ennow ean qa prepei na syzhthqei gia thn kybernhsh h an qa mporei h kybernhsh na anoijei ena qema syzhthshs gia thn allagh toy nomoy peri eyqynhs ypoyrgwn h akomh perissotero gia to an qa prepei tetoies ypoqeseis na syzhtoyntai, opws ginetai twra qesmika apo th Boylh h na afhsoyme thn anejarthth Dikaiosynh na kanei th doyleia ths.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei ena sygkekrimeno nomiko plaisio to opoio exei chfistei apo th Boylh twn Ellhnwn - -mhn to jexname ayto- - entos toy opoioy ginontai oles aytes oi diadikasies. Oson afora to endexomeno allaghs, to opoio moy qesate, menw sth xqesinh apanthsh thn opoia sas edwsa. Den exw na prosqesw kati newtero.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite, me poio epixeirhma to kybernwn komma, h kybernhsh qa apokleisei ton k. Paylidh apo ta chfodeltia stis epomenes ekloges, poly perissotero poy ton apedwse aspilo kai amolynto sthn koinwnia;

ANTWNAROS: Ta sxolia sas mporeite na ta kanete ekei opoy ergazeste. Ayto einai dikaiwma sas kai egw den mporw, se kamia periptwsh, na sas epibalw ti qa lete kai poia sxolia qa kanete. Opws eipa kai xqes, oi boyleytes toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy - -kai otan lew boyleytes, anaferomai se oloys toys boyleytes olwn twn kommatwn- - ekanan to xreos toys. Ekanan to kaqhkon toys kai chfisan kata syneidhsh. H stash ayth einai apolytws sebasth apo emas kai qelw na elpizw oti qa einai sebasth kai apo ola ta koinoboyleytika kommata. Alimono ean de sebomaste tis apofaseis ths Boylhs twn Ellhnwn.

Oson afora to allo qema to opoio qigete, qa sas apanthsw me ton tropo poy apanthsa se erwthsh poy moy egine xqes gia allo proswpo. Den antilambanomai ti qelete na peite otan anafereste se chfodeltia. Den exoyme enwpion mas ekloges. Synepws, den exoyme qema katartishs chfodeltiwn.

KAKALHS: Akoygetai san ypekfygh. Egw rwthsa epi ths oysias, me poio epixeirhma qa ton apokleisete apo ta epomena chfodeltia... Ara, qa einai ypochfios.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apantw: Den mporw na apanthsw kai den prokeitai na apanthsw gia ena qema to opoio den exei kamia epikairothta.

KAKALHS: Epeidh anakoinwqhke oti qa syzhthqei h deyterh dikografia thn Pempth, sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs. Emmenete sth dhlwsh poy eixate kanei tis proalles gia ayto to qema;

ANTWNAROS: Apolytws. Den exw na allajw kati. Epanalambanw ayto to opoio exw pei. To PASOK apodeiknyei - -eipa tote, stis 28 Aprilioy- - gia mia akomh fora oti stereitai politikhs kai oti den ypologizei toys qesmoys. O monos dromos ton opoio akoloyqei to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, einai h adistakth synthrhsh ths skandalologias, epidiwkontas na eytelisei ta panta, kai th Dikaiosynh kai thn politikh zwh toy topoy. Emeis den symmetexoyme se ayth th diadikasia ths meqodeymenhs geloiopoihshs ths Dikaiosynhs kai ths politikhs zwhs toy topoy.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla ayto to peri meqodeymenhs geliopoihshs ths Dikaiosynhs kai ths politikhs zwhs, mhpws afora kai thn kybernhsh me th stash poy krataei;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio se ayta, me ta opoia nomizete oti mporeite na dhmioyrghsete entypwseis.

DHMADHS: To apotelesma ths xqesinhs chfoforias, kata thn apoch ths kybernhshs, synista apallagh, aqwwsh toy k. Paylidh apo tis kathgories ths prwths dikografias h synista ena kleisimo ths ypoqeshs, ara h ypoqesh paei sto arxeio;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas ypenqymisw, gia mia akomh fora - -qa to pw gia pollosth fora kai qa to pw oses fores ki an xreiastei- - to poio htan to antikeimeno ths sygkekrimenhs diadikasias H Boylh diereynhse kata poson yparxei edafos gia thn askhsh diwjhs h mh diwjhs enantion enos meloys toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy. To Syntagma, o Kanonismos kai oi nomoi orizoyn me apolyth safhneia oti xreiazontai 151 qetikes chfoi prokeimenoy na askhqei ayth h diwjh. H Boylh apofasise me tis chfoys ths oti tetoio edafos den yparxei. Einai safes. Teleia kai payla. Den yparxei tipote allo peran aytoy.

DHMADHS: Ara, dhladh, oysiastika h apofash kai me thn chfo twn 144 boyleytwn poy chfisan kata ths parapomphs, shmainei kleisimo ths ypoqeshs. Den yparxei kamia apolytws synexeia.

ANTWNAROS: Hmoyn poly safhs s' ayto to opoio eipa. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

MELIGKWNHS: Wstoso, k. Ekproswpe, ean kai einai safes opws eipate, oti xreiazontai 151 parapemptikes chfoi gia na parapemfqei o k. Paylidhs h to opoiodhpote politiko proswpo sto Anwtato Dikastiko Symboylio, estw kai me sxetikh pleiochfia, emfanisthke xqes sth Boylh na einai perissoteroi oi boyleytes poy hqelan parapomph apo ekeinoys poy den hqelan. Ayto, oso kai an den sygkentrwnontai oi 151 chfoi, den synista ena politiko qema oti h sxetikh, estw, pleiochfia ths Boylhs hqele parapomph;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth h anagnwsh thn opoia moy metaferete synista aplws th diastrofh me thn opoia - -kai den lew fysika oti thn ensternizeste- - to PASOK epixeirei na anagnwsei to apotelesma ths chfoforias. Kai gi' ayto akribws lew oti otan h chfoforia, olh h diadikasia gia ena sygkekrimeno antikeimeno, den ejelixqhke opws hqele h eyelpistoyse, tote to PASOK, briskei diafores alles sofisteies kai ejhghseis kai texnasmata kai mikropolitikes ermhneies prokeimenoy na ikanopoihsei, na ejyphrethsei ta dika toy symferonta.

Ayta mono gelia mporoyn na prokalesoyn gia opoion antilambanetai pragmatika - -kai nomizw h megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn gnwrizei peri tinos akribws prokeitai- - ti symbainei. Den briskw to logo na pw kati parapanw gi' ayto to qema.

DHMADHS: Oi pente boyleytes ths paratajhs sas, dhladh apo toys 149 oi 144 chfisan kata ths parapomphs. Aytoi oi pente boyleytes poy chfisan eite leyko, eite parwn, sas apasxolei h stash thn opoia thrhsan; Dioti ermhneyetai apo orismenoys oti einai mia stash diamartyrias apenanti sthn kybernhsh. To dexeste kati tetoio kai pws thn ermhneyete;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton: Qa moy epitrecete na eimai poly prosektikos me eikasies ws pros th stash boyleytwn se mia mystikh chfoforia.

DHMADHS: Einai ariqmoi omws.

ANTWNAROS: Deyteron: Exw plhrh sebasmo gia ton tropo me ton opoio oi Ellhnes boyleytes olwn twn kommatwn askhsan to dikaiwma ths chfoy poy exoyn sth Boylh kata syneidhsh.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Ti qewreite oti, meta ap' olh ayth th diadikasia kai apo th xqesinh chfoforia, menei ston aplo Ellhna polith;

ANTWNAROS: Ston aplo Ellhna polith qa prepei na meinei oti leitoyrgoyn oi qesmoi sth xwra mas.

Mporei kapoio apotelesma na mhn antapokrinetai plhrws kapoia fora se ayto poy apokaloymai perirreoysa atmosfaira. Alla qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti h perirreoysa atmosfaira h o tropos me ton opoio ta Mesa Enhmerwshs - -xwris ayto na periexei kamia morfh momfhs- - exoyn paroysiasei ena qema, den antapokrinetai panta sta antikeimenika stoixeia, ta opoia oi 298 boyleytes toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy poy eklhqhsan na krinoyn xqes kai na ekferoyn th gnwmh toys, ta ekrinan diaforetika.

Gi' ayto lew oti oloi mas, eimai bebaios, sebomaste th leitoyrgia toy Koinoboylioy. Xqes, oi 298 boyleytes leitoyrghsan kata ena tropo ws dikastes. Den qelw na pisteyw oti kapoios apo aytoys poy erije thn chfo toy mesa sthn kalph, den to ekane kata syneidhsh. Kai prepei oloi na sebomaste ayth thn etymhgoria. Giati peri etymhgorias prokeitai.

TSIOYFOS: Egw qa symfwnhsw se ayto poy lete apolyta oti oi boyleytes chfisan kata syneidhsh. Aplws exw mia diafwnia se ayto poy eipate prin apo ligo sthn ekfrash ``perirreoysa atmosfaira''. Giati na to leme ``perirreoysa atmosfaira'' kai na mhn poyme ``h aisqhsh ths koinhs gnwmhs'';

ANTWNAROS: H aisqhsh ths koinhs gnwmhs diamorfwnetai kai apo ejwgeneis paragontes. Oxi me kakh proqesh panta. Alla ta stoixeia mporoyn na ta ajiologhsoyn kalytera ekeinoi oi opoioi htan skymmenoi apo panw. Ta melethsan. Egw den qelw na amfisbhthsw thn eparkeia, thn eysyneidhsia - -eipame kata syneidhsh, periexei kai th lejh syneidhsh h eysyneidhsia- - thn ypeyqynothta twn melwn toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy.

KATSABOY: Hqela na rwthsw to apotelesma ths xqesinhs chfoforias einai pia gnwsto. Syntrexei, pisteyete, logos gia paraithsh toy k. Paylidh h exei kleisei kai ayto to senario;

ANTWNAROS: Ejhghsa molis pro oligoy poia htan h diadikasia. Pws katelhje h diadikasia. Menw s' ayto poy eipa xqes. Ola ta alla einai kaqara proswpikh epilogh toy kaqe boyleyth.

DHMADHS: Diarroes, wstoso, opws gnwrizete yphrxan kai apo ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs. Dyo proswpa, dyo boyleytes, anazhtoyntai sthn pleyra toy PASOK. Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio ep' aytoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den kanw kanena sxolio gia th stash twn Ellhnwn boyleytwn. H kybernhsh, thn opoia exw thn timh na ekproswpw, eipe apo thn arxh oti qewrei pws oloi oi boyleytes - -qymaste poy sas to eipa kai dyo kai treis fores mesa se aythn thn aiqoysa- - olwn twn kommatwn exoyn kaqhkon na chfisoyn kata syneidhsh. Den kanw, loipon, diaforopoihsh sth stash twn boyleytwn toy enos h toy alloy h toy tritoy kommatos.

Sas eyxaristw.

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