Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-03-31

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 31 Martioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 194212487

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 31 Martioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhmera.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Prin apo ligh wra sto radiofwniko staqmo ALPHA 98,9, bghke o k. Markogiannakhs kai eipe ``den jeroyme mexri poy qa fqasoyne'' milwntas gia toys koykoyloforoys kai gia to mparaz epiqesewn kai ths xqesinhs hmeras. Eipe xarakthristika th frash ``den jeroyme mexri poy qa fqasoyne''. Na ypoqesoyme oti oi Arxes shkwnoyn ta xeria chla kyrie Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: H Astynomia beltiwnei synexeia thn taktikh thn opoia efarmozei, gia thn antimetwpish olwn twn parabatikwn symperiforwn. Sas exw pei, bebaiws, oti den mporoyme na eimaste ikanopoihmenoi - -kaqe allo malista- - me tetoies energeies, opws aytes poy anaferate molis. Alla, na eiste bebaioi oti h Astynomia meleta - -sto plaisio twn dynatothtwn ths, to exw pei kai alles fores- - th symperifora olwn aytwn poy katafeygoyn se tetoies energeies, prokeimenoy na tis antimetwpisei oso pio apotelesmatika ginetai.

FANIDHS: Sto idio qema: Kyrie Ekproswpe, diakrinete politika kinhtra pisw apo aytes tis epiqeseis;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kamia ypoqesh gi` aytes tis energeies. Ekeino to opoio isxyei, einai ayto poy eipa xqes: Katadikazw ek meroys ths kybernhshs tis qrasytates kai anandres emprhstikes epiqeseis - -xqes anaferomoyn sta grafeia politikwn proswpwn sth Qessalonikh- - ennow oles aytes tis emprhstikes energeies. Einai apolyta katadikastees.

H katadikh twn energeiwn aytwn kai oswn krybontai pisw ap` aytes prepei na einai rhth, kaqolikh kai xwris peristrofes. Kanena prosxhma den prepei na apomeinei se osoys balloyn kata ths Dhmokratias kai toy Koinoboyleytismoy.

KAKALHS: Mhpws eyqynetai to asylo poy den mporei h Astynomia na syllabei toys koykoyloforoys poy xtypoyn se olh thn Aqhna, ap` ton Byrwna mexri th Metamorfwsh kai sth Qessalonikh; Giati kaqe fora h kybernhsh epikaleitai to asylo ws prosxhma kai ekei strefei to problhma, oti einai ormhthrio egklhmatiwn.

ANTWNAROS: Eidate na epikalestw egw to asylo;

KAKALHS: Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh oxi. Alla, lew, ayth th fora, giati den mporeite na piasete toys koykoyloforoys; Einai to asylo poy sas empodizei;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalabainw ti akribws ennoeite. Ekeino to opoio jerw einai oti ayth h kybernhsh exei ferei pros chfish sth Boylh sygkekrimenes protaseis sxetika me to asylo oi opoies exoyn chfistei, exoyn ginei nomos toy kratoys. Ola ta alla poy lete, einai dikes sas eikasies tis opoies den prokeitai egw na sxoliasw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Parathrhsa thn apanthsh sas sthn erwthsh toy synadelfoy peri politikwn kinhtrwn kai eipate oti einai apolyta katadikastees kai oswn krybontai pisw apo aytes tis prajeis. Me to ``oswn krybontai'' poioys akribws fwtografizete kai perigrafete;

ANTWNAROS: Aytoys poy krybontai.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai. Epeidh omws katadikazete monimws, moy epitrepete, dhladh kaqe fora poy ginetai mia emprhstikh energeia, kalws nomizw apo th qesh sas katadikazete aytes tis energeies, opote einai fysiko na epanerxomaste emeis stis erwthseis. Kai na erqoyme: Yponoeite kapoioys otan lete oti krybontai pisw apo aytes tis energeies;

ANTWNAROS: Yponow ayto to opoio eipa. Tipote perissotero, tipote ligotero.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, mono qa hqela na eiste pio safhs. Bebaiws den jerw an mporeite.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai h dikh sas krish, thn opoia mporeite na ekfrasete ekei opoy ergazeste.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mesa se ola ayta omws, hrqe kai h ekqesh ths Dieqnoys Amnhstias, sxetika me thn yperbash ejoysias kai thn yperbolikh xrhsh bias apo thn Ellhnikh Astynomia. Ena sxolio qa hqela.

ANTWNAROS: Ta eyrhmata olwn aytwn twn ekqesewn lambanontai, kat` arxas, ypoch. Qa hqela pantws na epishmanw oti profanws oi syntaktes ths ekqeshs eixan arketa monomerh enhmerwsh. Dioti oloi qymoyntai akribws ti synebh kata ta gegonota, sta opoia anaferetai, kata kyrio logo, h ekqesh.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kata polloys to metro poy feretai h kybernhsh etoimh na labei gia th meiwsh sthn ajia twn aytokinhtwn, einai proeklogiko. Thn idia wra symfwna me ta shmerina dhmosieymata alla kai toys ekproswpoys ths agoras aytokinhtwn, fainetai pws exei yparjei ena mplakaoyt stis paraggelies, ena gonatisma - -na to poyme etsi- - sthn agora, kaqws enw ``etrexan'' kapoies paraggelies, oi polites, oi pelates probainoyn se akyrwseis twn paraggeliwn aytwn, me skopo na laboyn to metro ayto to eynoiko poy etoimazei h kybernhsh. Apo th mia, loipon - -gia na anakefalaiwsw- - exoyme ena metro to opoio xarakthrizetai proeklogiko kai apo thn allh exoyme ena metro poy dhmioyrgei mplakaoyt kai gonatisma sthn agora.

ANTWNAROS: Gia to qema twn eklogwn exw topoqethqei epaneilhmmena. Den prokeitai na janatopoqethqw. Einai jekaqarh h qesh ths kybernhshs. Opoioi qeloyn na synthroyn tetoia senaria, profanws den exoyn katalabei ti ginetai sth xwra. Kai ejyphretoyn ta dika toys agxh. Ejyphretoyn tis dikes toys agwnies. Ejyphretoyn toys dikoys toys sxediasmoys. Ejyphretoyn th dikh toys eklogikh anypomonhsia. As exoyn loipon ypomonh. Tetoio zhthma den yparxei.

Oso gia ta alla, anaferqhke xqes sto plaisio mias omilias thn opoia ekane o Ypoyrgos k. Papaqanasioy kai ejhghse ti shmainei akribws ayth h prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs, h opoia brisketai akomh sto stadio ths epejergasias.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Symplhrwmatika, kyrie Ekproswpe: H prwtoboylia ayth fainetai se prwth fash na dhmioyrgei ena mplakaoyt sthn agora se mia periodo krishs. Apasxolei ayto thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai mia monomerhs proseggish, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw, dioti akribws ayto ginetai gia mia dieykolynsh ths leitoyrgias ths agoras. Sas eipa: Diabaste oloklhrh thn topoqethsh toy k. Papaqanasioy, o opoios allwste xqes to brady, erwtwmenos se thleoptikh syzhthsh, anaferqhke poly leptomereiaka kai epejhghmatika sto sygkekrimeno qema.

KAKALHS: Exei ektimhsei h kybernhsh poia qa einai h ``trypa'' sta forologika esoda toy kratoys apo th meiwsh toy Teloys Tajinomhshs; Ston Proypologismo apo th meiwsh toy Teloys Tajinomhshs exoyn graftei esoda 1, 16 dis. M` ayto twra, exete ypologisei...

ANTWNAROS: Gia ola ayta ta qemata - -einai synoliko to qema- - anaferqhke xqes o k. Papaqanasioy. Parapempw, loipon, stis anakoinwseis toy k. Papaqanasioy.

KAKALHS: Den eipe tipote gi` ayto, gi` ayto lew, mhpws exete kati neotero.

ANTWNAROS: Anaferqhke synolika sto qema. Eseis paroysiazete mono mia parametro toy qematos.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes yphrjan arketes dhlwseis, synenteyjeis boyleytwn toy kommatos sas, oi opoioi katalogizan eyqynh...

ANTWNAROS: Egw eimai Ekproswpos ths kybernhshs. Kai proerxomai, bebaiws, apo to komma to opoio exei sxhmatisei kybernhsh.

TSIOYFOS: Nai, boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, den exei shmasia, oi opoioi katalogisan eyqynes gia kaqysterhsh, kakoys xeirismoys, sto epikoinwniako epiteleio ths kybernhshs. Kapoioi malista ej aytwn xrewsan kai proswpika se sas kapoies eyqynes. Yparxei problhma; Eseis ws Ekproswpos ths kybernhshs, h kybernhsh h idia briskei oti yparxei problhma ston tropo poy xeiristhkate aytes tis ypoqeseis; Kai telos pantwn, oi dhlwseis aytes sas dhmioyrgoyn kapoio eswkommatiko, endokybernhtiko problhma;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na anaferqw se qema to opoio exei ejantlhqei.

TSIOYFOS: Sas afora proswpika.

ANTWNAROS: Kaqoloy den me afora proswpika. Afora proswpika ekeinoys oi opoioi to epanaferoyn...

TSIOYFOS: H toylaxiston to epikoinwniako epiteleio ths kybernhshs. Emena lete;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, den ennow esas. Pros Qeoy! Pantws, opoia prospaqeia kai na ginetai gia na synthrhqei ena anyparkto qema opws ayto, peftei sto keno.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Eipate prin oti h eklogologia kai osoi synthroyn ayta ta senaria ejyphretoyn ta dika toys agxh kai tis agwnies. Ayth h apanthsh einai kai gia ta stelexh ths kybernhshs kai ths Neas Dhmokratias poy milane gia ekloges;

ANTWNAROS: Egw den gnwrizw stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias ta opoia na kanoyn tetoies anafores. Anaferomai omws safestata, gia na mhn yparjei kamia parermhneia, sto komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs poy sxedon kaqe mera anaferetai s' ayto to qema. Kalo qa ekane, loipon, to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs na asxolhqei me kati pio oysiastiko.

PALAIOLOGOS: Xqes, otan klhqhkate na apanthsete gia to an oi kathgories peri kakoy epikoinwniakoy xeirismoy ths istorias peri koyrashs kai peri apoxwrhshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy, eipate oti oi epikriseis den eixan ftasei mexri ta aytia sas. Xqes loipon epeidh o k. Zagoriths rwthqhke gi' ayto to qema se thleoptikh ekpomph kai eyriskomenos en amynh, ap' o,ti katalaba, anaferqhke kai eipe xarakthristika oti qa eprepe h diaceysh apo sas, apo to kybernhtiko epiteleio se o,ti afora tis fhmes peri koyrashs kai peri apoxwrhshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy na htan pio amesh, pio rhth, pio kathgorhmatikh. Kai milaw gia ena stelexos toy kommatos sas, boyleyth en energeia kai Grammatea toy kommatos. Ti apantate loipon, mia poy sas aggizoyn oi kathgories aytes;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa: Ena qema to opoio exei ejantlhqei, egw den prokeitai na to synthrhsw. Teleia kai payla.

PALAIOLOGOS: To xarakthrizete anyparkto, otan oi idioi oi boyleytes apantoyn epi enos qematos yparktoy.

ANTWNAROS: To qema einai anyparkto.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epimenete akoma kai para tis epikriseis me onomatepwnymo toy k. Zagorith;

ANTWNAROS: Einai anyparkto to synoliko qema. Profanws kanete oti den katalabainete. To synoliko qema einai anyparkto, to eipa xqes. S'ayto anaferomai. Jerw para poly kala ti lew.

TSIOYFOS: Eipate sthn prwth sas apanthsh oti opoia prospaqeia ginetai gia na synthrhqei ena anyparkto qema peftei sto keno. Swsta;

ANTWNAROS: Nai.

TSIOYFOS: Poioi kanoyn ayth thn prospaqeia;

ANTWNAROS: To komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kata kyrio logo. Kapoioi synadelfoi sas kata deytero logo. Kai kata trito logo, kapoioi poy nomizoyn oti den yparxoyn kalytera qemata kai oysiastikotera gia th xwra gia na asxolhqoyn.

TSIOYFOS: Fantazomai oti s' aytoys mesa bazete, stoys teleytaioys ennow, kai aytoys toys boyleytes poy kanoyn tis dhlwseis.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka. Den exw na pw kati allo. Ayta poy lew einai jekaqara: Prospaqoyn kapoioi - -kai anaferomai sto xwro ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs- - na synthrhsoyn ena qema to opoio einai anyparkto. Qa to pw gia mia akomh fora.

TSIOYFOS: Ma h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh to synthrei mono k. Ekproswpe; Osoi kanoyn dhlwseis den to synthroyn;

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete na exw apoch epi toy qematos;

MELIGKWNHS: Pantws k. Ekproswpe, afoy milame gia epikoinwniakh diaxeirish, an to qema einai anyparkto, opws lete eseis, den sas dhmioyrgei problhmatismo oti ena anyparkto qema htan arketo gia na emfanistoyn toso sobara rhgmata sto profil toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Stis dyo dhmoskophseis...

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kanena rhgma sto profil toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ayta einai efeyrhmata diaforwn eyfantastwn kyriwn kai kyriwn - -gia na paroyme kai ta dyo fyla- - kai diafora tetoia efeyrhmata mas exoyn apasxolhsei poly ta teleytaia xronia. ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kaqws lete oti den yparxei kanena rhgma sto profil toy Prwqypoyrgoy, qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia tis dyo teleytaies dhmoskophseis, h mia sto EQNOS poy deixnei to PASOK na prohgeitai me 5,1% kai ths GPO na prohgeitai pali to PASOK me 4,8% kai se o,ti afora ton idio ton k. Karamanlh, deixnei oti se dhmotikothta ton jepernaei kata 2,1 monades o Giwrgos Papandreoy, enw exei meiwqei, exei kleisei h calida oriaka sto 1,5% h katallhlothta toy. Pws den yparxei rhgma sto profil toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths idias ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Perimenete na sxoliasw egw dhmoskophseis; Lypamai poy den hsastan xqes edw.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Exoyme shmerinh.

ANTWNAROS: To idio symbainei kai me th shmerinh dhmoskophsh. Den kanw sxolia epi dhmoskophsewn. Den exoyme ayrio ekloges. Orismenoi kanoyn ws ean prokeitai ayth thn Kyriakh na eklegei kainoyrgio Koinoboylio kai kainoyrgia kybernhsh. Exoyn xasei thn aisqhsh ths pragmatikothtas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw qa epimeinw sta peri epikoinwniakhs diaxeirishs, ayths ths gnwsths istorias kai anarwtiemai, h dhlwsh toy k. Xarakopoyloy peri epikoinwniakoy Baterlw aforoyse to PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: Hsastan edw xqes;

PALAIOLOGOS: Bebaiws hmoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Exw dwsei apanthsh akribws se ayth thn idia erwthsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den eixe prolabei omws na ginei h erwthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Akribws sthn idia erwthsh, edwsa apanthsh xqes. Gi' ayto sas eipa oti prospaqeite na synthrhsete ena anyparkto qema. Ayth h synexhs epanalhch einai diathrhsh anyparktoy qematos. Einai qaymasio to paradeigma poy molis moy dwsate.

PALAIOLOGOS: Diathroyn bebaiws oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias anoixto to qema.

ANTWNAROS: Mallon eseis to diathreite.

MPALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe eipate oti den yparxei kanena rhgma sto profil toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai einai eyfantasta efeyrhmata kapoiwn kyriwn kai kyriwn, poy opws eipate, mas exoyn apasxolhsei poly ta teleytaia xronia.

ANTWNAROS: Poy analoga tetoia efeyrhmata mas exoyn apasxolhsei poly ta teleytaia xronia.

MPALHS: Shmasia den exei pws qa to ermhneysw egw h oi synadelfoi k. Ekproswpe. Shmasia exei ti akribws qelete na peite eseis me ayto. Dhladh qewreite oti yparxei mia prospaqeia na dhmioyrghqei ena rhgma sto profil toy Prwqypoyrgoy apo ena anyparkto qema;

ANTWNAROS: Apo anyparkta qemata ginetai prospaqeia, apelpismenh prospaqeia - -exei ginei polles fores- - na dhmioyrghqei mia tetoia eikona.

MPALHS: Profanws kataggellete ayth th stigmh...

ANTWNAROS: Den kataggellw tipota. Diapistwsh kanw.

MPALHS: Na kanw thn ektimhsh moy twra kai egw. Oti yparxei mia prospaqeia mesw orismenwn qematwn poy den yparxoyn epi ths oysias gia sas, na yparjei ena rhgma sto profil toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ayto lete. Ayto qelw na mas peite.

ANTWNAROS: Lew kati poly aplo: Me anyparkta qemata synexws epanalambanomena, epanaferomena otan exoyn fygei apo thn epikairothta, diaforoi prospaqoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn orismenes eikones oi opoies den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Ayto eipa. Ta lew se pio apla ellhnika gia osoys exoyn th dyskolia na parakoloyqhsoyn thn arxikh moy topoqethsh.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, diaceydete h epibebaiwnete oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei eishghsh sta xeria toy apo to symboylo toy epi qematwn oikonomias, symfwna me thn opoia eishghsh proteinetai h meiwsh kai oxi to pagwma twn misqwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy kamia tetoia eishghsh.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla htan h topoqethsh toy idioy toy oikonomikoy symboyloy toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Filippopoyloy, xqes to brady, se ekdhlwsh, oti den arkei to pagwma, alla prepei na proxwrhsoyme se meiwsh twn misqwn sto Dhmosio gia na antimetwpisoyme to elleimma.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw thn en logw topoqethsh, ean yparxei bebaia.

KAKALHS: Den ekfrazei thn epishmh qesh ths kybernhshs ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. H kybernhsh, einai gnwsto ti akribws ekane, poia apofash phre, sxetika me toys misqoys toy proswpikoy sto dhmosio tomea. Einai kala gnwsto poies prwtoboylies elabe, poies efapaj kataboles apofasise na doqoyn. Einai sygkekrimena pragmata. Den yparxei poyqena meiwsh misqoy.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Pws einai dynaton o idios o symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy na diatypwnei kati tetoio kai malista dhmosia, otan yparxei epishmh qesh...

ANTWNAROS: Kat` arxas, den gnwrizw th dhlwsh. Alla sas lew oti h epishmh qesh ths kybernhshs einai h efarmozomenh politikh. Poly jekaqara pragmata.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Tiqetai qema me to symboylo toy Prwqypoyrgoy ean pragmati ta exei pei ayta;

ANTWNAROS: Se ypoqetikes erwthseis den mporw na apanthsw fysika.

KAKALHS: Pws sxoliazete ayth thn eidylliakh eikona poy paroysiazetai ton teleytaio kairo; H kybernhsh na trwei kai na pinei me toys epixeirhmaties kai taytoxrona na ta dinei ola stoys epixeirhmaties. Anaferomai eidikotera sta geymata poy exei o k. Papaqanasioy sth Lesxh twn Aqhnwn me epixeirhmaties kai thn idia stigmh na anakoinwnei metra sthrijhs twn epixeirhmatiwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tipote apo ayta poy lete. Jexnate, profanws, oti o Prwqypoyrgos synanthqhke me th dioikhsh ths GSEE, me th dioikhsh ths ADEDY, poly prosfata. O Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh synomiloyn me oloys toys paragontes ths ellhnikhs zwhs. Kai alimono ean se mia tetoia megalh dieqnh oikonomikh krish, poy exei fqasei kai aggizei kai th xwra mas, den milaei aytos poy exei thn eyqynh ths askhshs ths oikonomikhs politikhs me oloys ekeinoys poy exoyn kati na ekfrasoyn, kati na diatypwsoyn. Eseis, dhladh, profanws, qelete na mas peite oti h syzhthsh prepei na einai monomerhs, mono me toys ergazomenoys. Oxi kai me aytoys poy dinoyn tis qeseis ergasias sth xwra mas.

H kybernhsh, loipon, milaei me oloys. Kai bebaiws, ayto to opoio lete den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. H kybernhsh ekeino to opoio ejasfalizei einai h reystothta sthn oikonomia. Dioti xwris reystothta sthn oikonomia, oyte qeseis ergasias mporoyn na yparjoyn, oyte anaptyjh mporei na yparjei, oyte jeperasma ths krishs sth xwra mas mporei na yparjei.

KAKALHS: Ola ayta, qa ta kanete mesw twn epixeirhmatiwn. Mesw twn epixeirhmatiwn qa jeperasei h kybernhsh thn krish. Mesw ths sthrijhs twn epixeirhmatiwn, giati den blepoyme kanena allo metro, opws, as poyme, sthrijh twn ergazomenwn kai twn oikonomika asqenesterwn, den blepoyme apo th meria ths kybernhshs...

ANTWNAROS: Ta programmata gia thn antimetwpish ths anergias, ta gnwrizete apo to Ypoyrgeio Apasxolhshs;

KAKALHS: Eida, xqes, ws enisxysh, 50 ekatommyria stoys megalojenodoxoys. Oxi stoys ergazomenoys.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den exete antilhfqei oti o toyrismos einai h baria biomhxania ths xwras mas. O toyrismos, ean den kanw laqos, dinei doyleia, amesa h emmesa, se 800.000 Ellhnes. Alimono an ayth h biomhxania, aytos o tomeas ths oikonomias den sthrixqei. Alles xwres sthn Eyrwph sthrizoyn tis dikes toys biomhxanies.

To diko sas montelo, to opoio den me briskei kaqoloy symfwno, einai profanws na mhn sthrixqei enas tomeas apo ton opoio zoyn oi idioi kai oi oikogeneies pollwn ekatontadwn xiliadwn anqrwpwn. Emeis ayto den qa to epitrecoyme.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla ta yperkerdh ton prohgoymeno xrono apo tis toyristikes epixeirhseis kai oxi monon, dhladh, alla apo oles tis epixeirhseis, ti eginan; Den mporoyn na sthrijoyn ta yperkerdh twn prohgoymenwn xronwn tis shmerines dyskoles stigmes ths krishs;

ANTWNAROS: Einai mia proseggish, h opoia poyqena sthn Eyrwph, poyqena ston kosmo, opoy bebaiws leitoyrgei h sygxronh Dhmokratia me ton tropo poy emeis exoyme epilejei kai oxi me tropoys poy mikres meiochfies profanws qa hqelan na epibaloyn. Prepei na enisxyontai oi drasthriothtes ths oikonomias, prokeimenoy me ayto ton tropo na qwrakizontai oi qeseis ergasias. Diaforetika, oi qeseis ergasias den prostateyontai.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla ayta mas ta legate kai prin thn krish. Ayto akribws mas legate, oti poyqena ston kosmo den efarmozetai mia allh politikh. Ayto elege kai o Prwqypoyrgos se oles tis topoqethseis toy sth DEQ k.t.l. Ayth akribws h qewria xrewkophse, an den to exete katalabei. Akribws giati odhghqhkame sthn aeiforo anaptyjh, alla sthn eyhmeria. Mporeite na epikaleiste twra mia xrewkophmenh politikh oti exei dikaiwqei;

ANTWNAROS: Mesa sto plaisio aytwn poy eseis apokaleite etsi, oles oi kybernhseis ths Eyrwphs prospaqoyn na epilejoyn tis kalyteres lyseis gia na antimetwpisoyn, h kaqe mia me tis dikes ths idiaiterothtes, ta problhmata ta opoia prokyptoyn.

KAKALHS: Me thn aeiforo anaptyjh poy mas legate, ti egine den katalabame;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw episthmonikh oikonomikh syzhthsh se ayto to xwro.

TSIOYFOS: Egw qa symfwnhsw mazi sas oti h kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos ofeiloyn na synantioyntai kyriws mesa se mia periodo krishs me oloys toys koinwnikoys etairoys, opws telos pantwn exoyme synhqisei na toys onomazoyme. Omws, qymamai k. Ekproswpe oti prin apo liges hmeres kapoies ypainiktikes dhlwseis kai se epishma h hmiepishma kommatika keimena, kapoies ypainiktikes anafores, oxi dhlwseis, otan analogh synanthsh me omada epixeirhmatiwn eixe o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Dhladh, dyo metra kai dyo staqma moy moiazei ayto to pragma.

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai oxi.

TSIOYFOS: Giati k. Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: Dioti, to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs symperiferetai me ena tropo, qa elega, monodiastato, ws ean na mhn yphrxan epixeirhseis sth xwra mas, sta epishma toy keimena. Kai jafnika diapistwnoyn oloi oti o arxhgos toy kommatos kanei mia kryfh synanthsh, h opoia diarreei apo kapoioys apo toys symmetexontes.

KAKALHS: Toy k. Papaqanasioy htan fanerh;

ANTWNAROS: Se dhmosio xwro. En pash periptwsei, emeis den kryboyme oti kanoyme epafes me oloys toys koinwnikoys etairoys, opws poly swsta eipate. Kai pisteyoyme oti me th symprajh olwn twn koinwnikwn etairwn mporei na jeperastei h krish.

TSIOYFOS: H diafora (den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: H diafora einai faeinoterh apo ton hlio.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, oloi oi Ellhnes polites einai isoi apenanti sto nomo se o,ti afora kai ta dikaiwmata kai tis ypoxrewseis; Giati xqes eidame oti ena tsoyrmo stratiwtes, gyrw stoys 50, naytes mallon, ferontai kai fainontai na yphretoyn se ena karabi to opoio einai moyseio. Milaw gia to qwrhkto ``Aberwf''. Kai sthn oysia oyte tetoies anagkes yparxoyn se fylajh h paroysia 50 naytwn apo th mia pleyra, oyte emfanizontai aytoi.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw to qema. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas.

KAKALHS: Den to maqate to ycos toy elleimmatos poy stelnei shmera, sth Eurostat, h Statistikh Yphresia; Einai 4,4% opws grafetai;

ANTWNAROS: Xqes, an den kanw laqos, moy anaferate allo pososto.

KAKALHS: Exei ayjhqei. Htan akomh xeirotera ta pragmata. Htan 4,2% proxqes.

ANTWNAROS: Otan yparxoyn anakoinwseis, ginontai ypeyqyna apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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