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Aqhna, 26 Febroyarioy 2009

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Oloklhrwqhke, prin apo ligo, sto Megaro Majimoy, h synedriash ths Diypoyrgikhs Oikonomikhs Epitrophs, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh.

Antikeimeno ths shmerinhs synedriashs htan h katastash opws diamorfwnetai sthn oikonomia, toso dieqnws, oso bebaiws kai sth xwra mas. Exoyme pei kai alles fores -kai ayto to kanoyme, opws sas enhmerwnw, se diarkh bash- oti parakoloyqoyme aytes tis ejelijeis. Parakoloyqoyme oles tis parametroys ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs kai tis epiptwseis ths sth xwra mas. Allwste, opws gnwrizete, meqayrio Kyriakh, pragmatopoieitai stis Bryjelles h ektakth Synodos twn arxhgwn kratwn kai kybernhsewn twn 27 kratwn-melwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai meta apo liges hmeres, th meqepomenh ebdomada, yparxei kai to taktiko Symboylio Ypoyrgwn toy ECOFIN.

Etsi, en ocei aytwn twn synanthsewn egine syzhthsh kai analysh olwn twn teleytaiwn stoixeiwn, poy yparxoyn toso gia th dieqnh oso kai thn ellhnikh oikonomia.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to Steht Nthpartment dhmosieyse thn ethsia Ekqesh Anqrwpinwn Dikaiwmatwn. Metajy pollwn kakwn poy grafei gia th xwra mas, yparxei anafora sta skandala toy Batopaidioy, poy dyo melh ths kybernhshs paraithqhkan, yparxei anafora ston k. Giannh Kefalogiannh, gia thn enos xronoy katadikh toy, yparxei, epishs, anafora gia kataxrhsh ejoysias apo astynomikoys sth xwra mas, gia diafqora stoys kolpoys ths Astynomias, gia tis fylakes. Leei, malista, oti anti gia 7.543 kratoymenoys, filojenoyntai 11.798. Telos pantwn, einai mia ekqesh poy an mh ti allo den einai kaqoloy kolakeytikh gia thn Ellada. Hqela to sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas anagnwsh. Stis ekqeseis aytes toy amerikanikoy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, poy syntassontai gia oles tis xwres toy kosmoy kai dhmosiopoioyntai kaqe xrono, katagrafetai h anagnwsh kai oi ektimhseis poy kanoyn oi syntaktes aytwn twn ekqesewn.

H katagrafh ayth den allazei th gnwsth se oloys -kai poly perissotero se osoys zoyme se ayth th xwra, alla kai se osoys gnwrizoyn kala thn Ellada peran twn synorwn ths -thn pragmatikothta: Oti h Ellada einai mia apolytws dhmokratikh eyrwpaikh xwra, poy sebetai plhrws ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata kai ergazetai adiakopa gia thn enisxysh toy kaqestwtos ths prostasias toys.

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pws krinete omws to gegonos oti dhmosiopoihqhke ayth h ekqesh thn hmera ths synanthshs ths Ntoras Mpakogiannh me th Xilari Klinton;

ANTWNAROS: Mhn apodidete se symptwseis, politikh shmasia poy den exoyn.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh dhladh qewrei kaq` ola qemito na yparxoyn tetoies ekqeseis apo th meria toy Steht Nthpartment; Kai den einai ypoqesh mono twn syntaktwn einai epishmes ekqeseis apo th meria toy amerikanikoy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, poy synistoyn mia aprokalypth parembash sta eswterika pragmata ths xwras mas. To qewrei kati qemito ayto h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka. Den exw na pw kati allo.

SWTHRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera se mia ereyna poy dhmosiopoihse o FLASH, se sxesh me tis mikromesaies epixeirhseis poy qeloyn na paroyn ta daneia apo to Tameio Eggyodosias, fainetai oti sta prwta stadia apoqarrynontai se ena poly megalo pososto oi epixeirhseis, oti oi trapezes toys ekbiazoyn me ena tropo, zhtwntas na metaferoyn tis kataqeseis toys stis en logw trapezes tis opoies zhtane kai yparxei mia poly kakh symperifora, apenanti stoys ypochfioys lhptes twn daneiwn. Toys zhtane toys logoys poy qeloyn na paroyn to daneio, toys dyskoleyoyn para poly. Exete kapoio sxolio gia ola ayta;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio exw na pw, einai oti oi dieykolynseis poy ginontai mesa apo to programma toy TEMPME (dhladh toy Tameioy Eggyodosias) poy afora th sthrijh, th bohqeia poy didetai se ayth th dyskolh periodo, stis mikres kai tis mesaies epixeirhseis, einai enas apo toys akrogwniaioys liqoys, einai mia poly shmantikh prwtoboylia poy exei parei h shmerinh kybernhsh. Etsi, ejasfalizetai h reystothta sthn oikonomia, qwrakizetai h apasxolhsh kai dinetai bohqeia stis epixeirhseis aytoy toy megeqoys -to exw pei kai alles fores oti apoteloyn th raxokokalia ths ellhnikhs oikonomias- wste na jeperasoyn tis dyskolies, toys skopeloys poy exoyn prokycei apo th dieqnh oikonomikh krish kai tis epiptwseis poy exei ayth gia th xwra mas.

Mexri prin apo liges hmeres, sto telos ths perasmenhs ebdomadas, an qymamai kala symfwna me ta stoixeia poy eixa apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs, peripoy 9.000 epixeirhseis eixan mporesei, mexri ekeinh th stigmh, na kanoyn xrhsh twn dynatothtwn poy toys dinoyn aytes oi ryqmiseis. Opws gnwrizete, prokeitai gia daneia me poly eynoikoys oroys kai epidothsh toy epitokioy. Anaferqhke se ayto, xqes o Prwqypoyrgos.

Kai emeis pisteyoyme oti oloi osoi metexoyn se ayth thn ``alysida'' -as to pw etsi- ths ejasfalishs ths reystothtas sthn oikonomia, prepei na antapokrinontai sto rolo toys.

XRHSTAKOS: Na perasw sto qema ths oikonomias me aformh kai thn episkech ths k. Xoympner sth xwra mas. Qelw na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Opws gnwrizoyme, ta erga ta opoia sygxrhmatodotei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai idiaitera milaw twra gia ta erga sthn perifereia mias kai ayto syzhteitai, metajy allwn, dinontai apo xrhmata ths Koinothtas kai ena pososto apo th xwra, apo ton kratiko proypologismo. Yparxei, omws, h dynatothta stoys eyrwpaikoys koinotikoys kanonismoys, ean mia xwra epiqymei kai brisketai se dyskolh katastash na zhthsei apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, na xrhmatodothsei, bebaia, zhtwntas sygkekrimena programmata, oloklhro to poso kai se ena eylogo xroniko diasthma poy qa symfwnhqei na dwsei h xwra meta ta posa. Exei zhthqei apo ton Prwqypoyrgo poy synanthse thn k. Xoympner kati tetoio; Kai gia poia programmata ean, nai.

ANTWNAROS: Symfwna me thn enhmerwsh poy exw apo toys armodioys Ypoyrgoys, oi opoioi synanthsan kai syzhthsan, xqes, oles tis parametroys ayths ths poly kalhs synergasias poy exoyme se ayto ton tomea, me thn Eyrwpaia Epitropo kyria Xoympner, poy episkeptetai th xwra mas, h Ellada qa kanei xrhsh olwn twn dikaiwmatwn poy prokyptoyn apo to sygkekrimeno programma.

Qa hqela de na pw oti h kyria Xoympner xqes, anaferqhke kai sth syzhthsh poy eixe me ton Prwqypoyrgo, alla kai stis syzhthseis poy eixe me Ypoyrgoys. Sas plhroforw oti synanthqhke me ton Ypoyrgo Eswterikwn k. Prokoph Paylopoylo, me ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias k. Giannh Papaqanasioy kai me ton Ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs k. Kwsth Xatzhdakh. Parontes htan kai polloi Genikoi Grammateis kai alloi yphresiakoi paragontes. H kyria Xoympner, loipon, ekfrasthke poly qetika gia ton tropo me ton opoio h Ellada, eidika ta teleytaia xronia, exei kanei xrhsh twn dynatothtwn poy ths parexoyn oi xrhmatodotikoi mhxanismoi ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

Sas enhmerwnw, epishs, oti h kyria Xoympner dhlwse xarakthristika - -kai ayto einai apo tis dhlwseis poy ekane xqes sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs- - oti gia th xrhmatodotikh periodo toy 2000-2006, dhladh ayto poy leme to G'KPS, exei doqei kai allh paratash gia thn aporrofhsh twn kondyliwn mexri ton Ioynio toy 2009. Gnwrizete oti ayth einai mia prospaqeia thn opoia katebale h Ellada pros ayth thn kateyqynsh, kati poy shmainei oti h Ellada qa kataferei mexri tote na exei 100% aporrofhsh twn koinotikwn kondyliwn. Ayto einai kati poy den exei ginei pote sto parelqon.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Xqes, anakoinwqhkan apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, apo esas meta th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, kapoia metra ta opoia enocei ths oikonomikhs krishs, lambanei h kybernhsh, prokeimenoy na thn antimetwpisei. Yparxei kapoio xronodiagramma me bash to opoio qa kriqei h kybernhsh h oi prwtoboylies poy pairnei; Dhladh, qelw na pw, ayta poy anakoinwqhkan xqes, qa apodwsoyn mesa sto 2009, mesa sto 2010; Mesa se poio diasthma;

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete -aplws eisagwgika oxi dioti qelw na sas diorqwsw- na kanw mia dieykrinish: Den egine xqes anakoinwsh twn metrwn. Ta metra ayta, aytes oi prwtoboylies einai gnwstes, exoyn anakoinwqei prin apo peripoy dyomisi, treis ebdomades.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Ta qymamai.

ANTWNAROS: Xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos paroysia olwn twn melwn ths kybernhshs, twn Ypoyrgwn kai twn Yfypoyrgwn, ekane, an qelete, mia ejeidikeysh, mia peraiterw analysh, mia diasafhnish aytwn twn prwtoboyliwn, poy einai apolytws aparaithto na petyxoyn, se olo toys to eyros kai sta xronika periqwria ta opoia eqese o idios o Prwqypoyrgos. Gia kapoia apo ayta, fer` eipein, milhse gia tesseris mhnes. Gia alla eipe oti kaqe treis mhnes prepei to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias na kanei mia endiamesh apotimhsh kai enhmerwsh sxetika me to poio stadio exoyme ftasei.

Ayta ta metra, loipon, kai h epityxia toys einai apolytws aparaithta gia na petyxoyme toys stoxoys toy synolikoy sxedioy gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia. H peristolh twn dapanwn krinetai apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai apo toys etairoys mas, oxi mono gia mas, alla gia oles tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, ws enas apo toys akrogwniaioys ekeinoys liqoys poy einai proypoqesh gia th staqeropoihsh twn oikonomiwn olhs ths Eyrwphs.

Kai qa hqela na prosqesw to ejhs, epeidh polla eipwqhkan kai alla tosa grafthkan tis teleytaies hmeres: Orismenoi lene oti yparxei mia epanalhch palaiwn anakoinwsewn h palaiwn topoqethsewn ths kybernhshs. Ayto den einai akribes. Prokeitai gia enan synexh stoxo ths kybernhshs. Kai bebaiws, otan eteqhsan paromoioi stoxoi to 2004 kai to 2005, h stoxeysh htan epishs safhs. Tote h xwra eixe ena elleimma poy kymainotan panw apo epta tois ekato. Kai den qa eixe mporesei na meiwqei ayto to elleimma ean den eixan epiteyxqei ekeinoi oi stoxoi. Etsi ftasame se elleimma to opoio einai panw apo tria tois ekato shmera. Dhladh, mia ptwsh peripoy ths tajews twn 3,5  4 monadwn. Ayto, bebaiws, krinetai oti den einai eparkes. Xreiazontai na katablhqoyn kai alles prospaqeies. Gi` ayto akribws anaferw ena paradeigma: Apo ta 12 shmeia sta opoia anaferetai h peristolh twn dapanwn, ena ap` ayta, poly shmantiko -alla oxi to mono- einai h peristolh kata 10% twn elastikwn dapanwn toy dhmosioy tomea. Einai mia shmantikh prwtoboylia ayth poy lambanetai.

Pisteyoyme oti o stoxos aytos einai apolytws efiktos. O Prwqypoyrgos xqes anaferqhke analytika stoys tomeis poy ayto mporei na epiteyxqei. Kai oloi oi Ypoyrgoi, oloi oi Yfypoyrgoi, ola ta koryfaia politika stelexh ths shmerinhs kybernhshs elaban xqes ayth thn kateyqynsh. Ayto, loipon, prepei na to petyxoyme kai qa to petyxoyme.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Kai pote qa jerete ean to exete petyxei;

ANTWNAROS: Kati tetoio ginetai stadiaka. Sas eipa: Kaqe treis mhnes -hmoyn poly safhs- qa yparxei mia endiamesh enhmerwsh apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio, to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias poy syntonizei ayth thn prospaqeia, opws einai, allwste, fysiko.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, tis teleytaies hmeres, me aformh tis diadikasies poy akoloyqhqhkan gia ta atoma poy parapemfqhkan sth Dikaiosynh, me aformh to epeisodio ston Korydallo, h kybernhsh dexthke mia entonh kritikh, toso apo toys synhgoroys toys, oso kai apo ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs gia ton tropo me ton opoio egine olh ayth h diadikasia. Qa hqela kat' arxhn ena sxolio sas gia osa exoyn akoystei tis teleytaies hmeres, kai qa hqela epishs na moy peite, an h kybernhsh ejakoloyqei meta ta osa bghkan kai apo thn akroamatikh diadikasia sto dikasthrio, an h kybernhsh epimenei oti yphrxe ek twn esw bohqeia gia thn apodrash h an telika prokeitai peri ameleias kapoiwn h ableciwn kapoiwn ek twn ypallhlwn oi opoioi dikasthkan.

ANTWNAROS: Thn kybernhsh thn ekfrazei apolytws h topoqethsh poy ekane ep' aytoy toy qematos xqes o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs o k. Dendias.

KAKALHS: Mhpws, omws, menei metewros o isxyrismos sas peri diabrwmenoy systhmatos meta thn aqwwsh twn kathgoroymenwn apo to aytofwro;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw epi toy qematos aytoy, to eipa. Kai osa exw pei ejakoloyqoyn na isxyoyn.

KAKALHS: Pws isxyoyn; Afoy den apodeiknyontai apo thn dikastikh ereyna.

ANTWNAROS: Arkei merikes fores kai h aplh logikh gia na ejhghsei orismena pragmata.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla mporei na ftanei ta oria ths sykofantias ayto to pragma.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa.

TSIOYFOS: Epimenete dhladh sthn ek twn esw bohqeia. Giati sas rwthsa kai ayto. Eixe kai ena deytero skelos.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa tis teleytaies meres.

PALAIOLOGOS: En ocei ths ektakths Synodoy Koryfhs, pws blepei h kybernhsh tis protaseis poy ekane xqes to PASOK h poy dieneime to PASOK na zhthsei o Prwqypoyrgos thn epanadiapragmateysh toy Symfwnoy Staqerothtas kai na diapragmateytei to zhthma ths ekdoshs eyrwomologoy , opws leei me eyrwpaikoys poroys.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka, gnwrizete, graptws xqes panw se ayto to qema. O k. Papandreoy, gia mia akomh fora, apedeije xqes kati poly aplo: Den einai se qesh na epejergastei kai na paroysiasei sygkrothmenes, ypeyqynes, epikaires kai realistikes protaseis. H pagia ayth politikh toy adynamia, alla kai h boylimia toy gia thn ejoysia, sprwxnoyn kaqhmerina ton arxhgo toy PASOK olo kai pio baqia ston kathforo toy aneyqynoy laikismoy.

O k. Papandreoy protassei thn epidiwjh efhmerwn entypwsewn -kai ayto ekane xqes- kai thn ejyphrethsh mikrokommatikwn toy skopimothtwn, akomh kai sta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs, ta opoia ypotiqetai oti katexei. H kybernhsh den qa parakoloyqhsei ton arxhgo toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, poy epilegei na agnohsei ti prokeitai na syzhthqei sto Symboylio Koryfhs kai adynatei etsi na antapokriqei stis apaithseis toy qesmikoy toy roloy. O Prwqypoyrgos Kwstas Karamanlhs xarassei kai askei ypeyqyna thn ejwterikh politikh, me apokleistiko gnwmona to symferon toy topoy, to symferon olwn twn Ellhnidwn kai twn Ellhnwn.

SWTHRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na epanelqw ligo sta metra poy anakoinwse xqes o Prwqypoyrgos.

ANTWNAROS: Den anakoinwse kati o Prwqypoyrgos. Dieykriniseis kai kateyqynseis edwse.

SWTHRIADOY: Poy ejeidikeyse, poy mas janaqymise. Sto metro poy edwse kai xronodiagramma tessarwn mhnwn gia thn sygxwneysh kai katarghsh kapoiwn dhmosiwn Organismwn, den exei dieykrinistei ti qa ginei me tis qeseis ergasias twn anqrwpwn poy einai se aytoys toys organismoys. Qa fygoyn, qa enswmatwqoyn se kapoies alles yphresies twn Ypoyrgeiwn; Ti qa ginei;

ANTWNAROS: H sygxwneysh twn organismwn, den shmainei, bebaiws, opws antilambaneste, se ayto to stadio apwleia qesewn ergasias. Shmainei omws megalh ejoikonomhsh stis dioikhtikes domes.

KAKALHS: Anejarthta apo to ti leei o proedros toy PASOK, mporeite na mas peite, enocei ths synedriashs ths Synodoy Koryfhs ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs thn Kyriakh, poies einai oi qeseis ths kybernhshs gia to qema poy syzhteitai; Den exei anakoinwsei tipote h kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizete eseis poio einai to qema poy syzhteitai;

KAKALHS: Apo oti exei anakoinwqei apo thn Proedria, einai to qema toy prostateytismoy poy qa syzhthqei kata kyrio logo kai h stash poy qa paroyn oi kybernhseis, apenanti se ayto to qema. Apenanti sto qema ths enisxyshs twn gallikwn biomhxaniwn, an den kanw laqos, ta omologa klp.

ANTWNAROS: To basiko qema poy syzhteitai sthn ektakth Synodo Koryfhs, einai h dieqnhs oikonomikh katastash kai oi epiptwseis ths sthn Eyrwph.

KAKALHS: Den qa ginei oysiastikh koybenta...

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas ektimhsh oti den qa ginei oysiastikh koybenta...

KAKALHS: Den qa ginei oysiastikh koybenta (den akoygetai) metra sygkekrimena. Exei teqei etsi to qema. Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs; Einai poy qelei na maqei o ellhnikos laos.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas enhmerwsoyme afoy ginoyn oi syzhthseis sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Qa hqela omws na pw to ejhs: Bebaiws o kaqenas exei to dikaiwma na pei o,ti qelei sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Shmasia exoyn omws, oi topoqethseis, oi opoies qa kanei, oi qeseis tis opoies qa parei, na exoyn sxesh me to antikeimeno kai thn hmerhsia diatajh, thn opoia exei qesei h Tsexikh Proedria. Dioti to na qeteis qemata me kaqara eswkommatikh h mikropolitikh proseggish, den ejyphretei ta symferonta ths xwras. Ekeino, to opoio emeis qa kanoyme, qa einai na proselqoyme mesa sto plaisio twn diaboyleysewn, sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn poy kanoyn oi Eyrwpaioi hgetes, stoys opoioys anhkei bebaia kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai na yperaspistoyme, na proaspistoyme, na paroysiasoyme tis ellhnikes qeseis. Qa antilambaneste, asfalws, oti thn paramonh twn diaboyleysewn den qa sas pw dhmosia poies einai oi ellhnikes qeseis.

KAKALHS: Einai kratiko mystiko; Poia qesh prepei na parete sto qema toy eyrwomologoy h ths prostasias toy toyrismoy;

ANTWNAROS: Eyxaristw para poly, gia thn aformh poy moy dinete. Sto qema ths prostasias ths toyristikhs biomhxanias, h shmerinh kybernhsh exei labei sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies, oi opoies ginontai prajh.

KAKALHS: San ejairesh lew. San ejairesh, apo koinotikoys kanones opws exei kanei h Gallia, as poyme, me tis aytokinhtobiomhxanies.

ANTWNAROS: Den qa sas pw se kamia periptwsh, poia qa einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. H dieqnhs diplwmatia, den diejagetai ek twn proterwn, dhmosiws.

XRHSTAKOS: Qa hqela, k. Ekproswpe, na epanelqw sto qema poy rwthsa prin, dioti to qewrw idiaiterws shmantiko, kata th ftwxh moy apoch, gnwmh, sxetika me ta dikaiwmata poy exei h xwra gia tis xrhmatodothseis twn kondyliwn twn programmatwn gia ta erga sthn tetarth programmatikh periodo. Ayto shmainei, oti qa mporoyn, osoi endiaferontai kai kyriws milaw gia ta erga, ta opoia aforoyn poly shmantika kommatia ths perifereias kai se idiaitera dyskoles oikonomika perifereies, opws einai, as poyme h Hpeiros h kai alles. Shmainei oti qa mporoyn pio grhgora na ylopoioyntai erga ta opoia exoyn anagkh, efoson qa lambanoyn ejoloklhroy xrhmatodothsh apo ta eyrwpaika tameia, xwris na xreiazetai xrhmatodothsh toy kratoys;

ANTWNAROS: Gia tetoioy eidoys texnika qemata, den eimai se qesh na sas apanthsw. Exoyn topoqethqei hdh xqes oi synarmodioi Ypoyrgoi. Ekeino to opoio sas eipa -kai to epanalambanw- einai oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh ek meroys ths xwras mas qa kanei xrhsh olwn twn dikaiwmatwn poy tis dinoyn oi yparxoyses ryqmiseis.

H Epitropos, nomizw shmera, episkeptetai kai thn perioxh thn opoia anaferete, thn Hpeiro, metajy twn allwn. Akribws gia na enhmerwqei epitopoy gia tis dyskolies poy endexomenws yparxoyn, ennow tis oikonomikes dyskolies kai tis dynatothtes, oi opoies mporoyn na doqoyn, wste na antimetwpistoyn oi dyskolies, na amblynqoyn ta problhmata ta opoia yparxoyn.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei kati neotero oson afora stis synanthseis poy qa exei o Prwqypoyrgos amesws meta thn ektakth Synodo me toys arxhgoys;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa eipate. Alla den exoyn apeyqynqei akoma oi prosklhseis. Opws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, proqesh ths kybernhshs einai na diejaxqoyn aytes oi synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, afenos, me toys arxhgoys twn kommatwn sth Boylh, afeteroy, me ton kaqena jexwrista amesws meta th Synodo Koryfhs ths erxomenhs Kyriakhs, dhladh thn allh ebdomada.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh einai se qesh na kanei mia prwth apotimhsh, toylaxiston, toy tajidioy ths Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn stis HPA; Qelw na pw an eixe kapoia oysiastika apotelesmata.

ANTWNAROS: H episkech ths k. Mpakogiannh stis HPA synexizetai, einai se ejelijh.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Nai, alla synanthqhke xqes me thn omologo ths.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhke h idia h k. Mpakogiannh, xqes, sthn Oyasingkton, stis dhlwseis ths opoias kai sas parapempw. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

SANTAMOYRHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes o ekproswpos toy PASOK anarwthqhke gia to ti mporei arage na shmainei h synainesh sthn opoia kalei h kybernhsh thn antipoliteysh, ean den ekqetei kapoies apo tis apoceis ths pros to meros to opoio kaleitai na deijei synainesh kai bebaiws ean h kybernhsh den dexetai kapoies paragwgikes, kata thn apoch ths antipoliteyshs, protaseis. Qewreite oti kati tetoio isxyei kai an nai, poios mporei na einai o dromos poy na odhghsei se mia synainesh epi paradoxwn poy kanoyn kai to PASOK kai h Nea Dhmokratia.

ANTWNAROS: Qelw na pw to ejhs: To PASOK exei mia dyskolia me th lejh synainesh, alla kai to periexomeno ths synaineshs, gia enan para poly aplo logo: Leei se ola oxi. Kai synepws den mporei na antilhfqei ti paei na pei synainesh. To exoyme ejhghsei polles fores. Den to bazoyme katw omws kai kaloyme synexws to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs na metasxei epoikodomhtika, oysiastika sth xarajh mias koinhs politikhs se polla qemata. Alla, opws sas eipa molis, h apanthsh toy einai panta oxi.

GKATSIOS: Ti sas kanei na pisteyete oti sthn epomenh synanthsh poy qa exei o k. Papandreoy me ton k. Karamanlh, qa pei se kati nai;

ANTWNAROS: H elpida peqainei panta teleytaia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se allo qema, kyrie Ekproswpe. Ejakoloyqei h kybernhsh na qewrei peistikoys toys isxyrismoys toy prwhn Ypoyrgoy Naytilias k. Paylidh kai meta thn apokalych gia to daneio twn 100.000 ths korhs toy me to opoio agorase spiti;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei gi` ayto to qema. Den exw na pw kati kainoyrgio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi, lew meta thn apokalych. Paramenete, dhladh, exete thn idia apoch;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw tipote na pw gia ena qema to opoio diereynatai apo thn ellhnikh Dikaiosynh, katopin prwtoboylias toy idioy toy k. Paylidh. Ayto den prepei na to jexna kaneis, kai profanws orismenoi teinoyn na to jexnoyn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh phre apostaseis, xqes, o k. Zagoriths, gi` ayto rwthsa.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka.

KAKARNIAS: Sto qema ths synaineshs hqela na anaferqw kai egw, se ena diaforetiko antikeimeno. Sto qema ths chfoy. Xqes egine h deyterh synedriash sth Boylh ths armodias Epitrophs. To PASOK menei stis qeseis toy, h kybernhsh exei tis dikes ths qeseis. Qa hqela na anaferqw sto qema toy SAE. Esteile mia epistolh me thn opoia ejefrase th diafwnia toy me thn proqesh ths kybernhshs, paroti oi plhrofories poy exoyme apo thn kybernhtikh pleyra, legane oti, telos pantwn, to SAE qa edeixne mia pio diallaktikh stash. To SAE einai qesmiko organo. Eseis exete na kanete kapoio sxolio gi` ayto; Giati gia to qema toy PASOK exete erwthqei polles fores kai exete apanthsei. Den qewrw oti yparxei kati gia th qesh toy PASOK epi toy qematos.

ANTWNAROS: Pisteyw, kai to exw pei kai alles fores, ekfrazontas thn kybernhsh, oti h proteinomenh lysh einai h kalyterh dynath ayth th stigmh. Prepei oloi na symballoyn sthn apodoxh ths, etsi wste na doqei h dynatothta stoys omogeneis, stoys sympatriwtes mas, oi opoioi exoyn dikaiwma chfoy, alla zoyn ejw apo ta synora ths xwras mas, na mporoyn kaqe fora poy kaloyntai na askhsoyn to dikaiwma ths chfoy, na chfisoyn ekei poy pragmatika zoyn. Kai eipa kai allh fora oti ayth h lysh qa einai metabatikh, qa dokimastei sthn prajh. An kriqei oti kati prepei na allajei, qa allajei. To exei pei o idios o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn o k. Paylopoylos, to exw pei kai egw se ayton edw to xwro. Einai mia oysiastikh, aplh, praktikh proseggish. Kai na ena shmeio poy briskw oti yparxei arnhsh synennohshs apo thn pleyra toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

TSIOYFOS: Pantws, apo th stigmh poy to idio to qesmiko organo twn omogenwn diafwnei me th dikh sas protash, kapoios qa mporoyse kallista na pei oti, giati h kybernhsh den kanei bhmata synaineshs pros tis protaseis toy SAE;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme parei polles prwtoboylies panw se ayto to qema. Alla, jerete, synainesh, synennohsh, den shmainei na kanei panta pisw, na ypoxwrei h kybernhsh kai na dexetai tis apoceis twn allwn. Prepei kai oi alloi na kanoyn bhmata pros thn pleyra twn prwtoboyliwn poy analambanei h kybernhsh. Thn ypoxrewsh na nomoqetei, jerete, thn exei h kybernhsh sto diko mas politiko systhma.

TSIOYFOS: To sygkekrimeno nomosxedio, jerete, qelei mia ayjhmenh pleiochfia kai ekei prepei na yparjoyn sygkliseis.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, akribws gi` ayto.

TSIOYFOS: Kai oi sygkliseis qa yparjoyn pros thn protash twn idiwn twn omogenwn, an mporoyn na yparjoyn sygkliseis.

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti h kybernhsh exei mia diaforetikh proseggish se ayto to qema. En pash periptwsei, emeis pisteyoyme oti h kalyterh dynath proseggish ayth th stigmh einai ayth poy proteinoyme.

KAKARNIAS: Pali gia to idio qema. Qa hqela, an exete kapoio sxolio, sygkekrimena, gia to oti to SAE afhne arxika na ennohqei oti qa symfwnhsei se ayto to metabatiko sxedio nomoy -yparxei kai epistolh ep` aytoy, exei doqei sth dhmosiothta- enw xqes ekane ena bhma pisw, an moy epitrepete, kai eipe oti ``oxi, jerete, den qa symfwnhsoyme''. Gi` ayto exete kati na peite;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kamia proqesh na antidikhsw me ena qesmiko organo opws einai to SAE. Ekfrazoyn kapoies apoceis. Alla kai ayth th stigmh qa hqela, apo ayth edw th qesh, na toys zhthsw na janadoyn to nomosxedio to opoio exei kataqesei pros egkrish h kybernhsh sth Boylh. Einai ena nomosxedio poy perilambanei ryqmiseis poy einai pragmatika dieykolyntikes, qa elega, gia toys Ellhnes poy zoyn pera apo ta synora ths xwras. Kai opws eipa, ayth h ryqmish, to leei allwste kai to idio to nomosxedio, qa exei metabatiko xarakthra: Na efarmostei sthn prajh. Na doyme poia einai ta dynata ths shmeia. Na doyme poia einai ta adynama ths shmeia. Na doyme ti mporei na allajei, poy mporei na allajei. Kai epeidh einai kati to opoio einai kainoyrgio gia th xwra mas, einai fysiko na qeloyme na doyme pws qa einai sthn efarmogh toy.

Jerete ti symbainei mexri twra: Oi anqrwpoi oi opoioi exoyn dikaiwma chfoy kai zoyn pera apo ta synora ths xwras -alloi se kontines xwres, alloi se poly makrines- otan qeloyn na askhsoyn to eklogiko toys dikaiwma (kai einai fysiko na qeloyn na to askhsoyn) ypoballontai ston kopo kai sto ejodo, eidika an einai apo makrines xwres, na erqoyn edw. To exw pei kai alles fores: Kalodexoymenoi einai oi omogeneis kaqe fora poy erxontai konta mas kai mas episkeptontai kai toys dexomaste sthn agkalia mas. Alla, katalabainete, ti ejoda kai polles fores kai ti apwleia xronoy einai gi` aytoys na erqoyn pisw sthn patrida, se kapoio xroniko shmeio poy endexomenws den toys boleyei. Ayto, loipon, einai poy qeloyme na dieykolynoyme. Ayto einai to zhtoymeno. Ta alla ola einai leptomereies mias ryqmishs, oi opoies sthn prajh qa erqoyn -kai qa moy epitrecete na xrhsimopoihsw mia pio aplh ekfrash- kai qa ``koympwsoyn'' panw sthn efarmogh.

XRHSTAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh ena qema to opoio yferpei ayths ths ryqmishs, kai bebaiws ths dynatothtas poy opwsdhpote prepei na exoyn oi omogeneis, na dieykolynontai gia na chfizoyn sth xwra toys, yparxei to ejhs mias kai xrhsimopoihsate ton kopo kai ta ejoda. Ayto poy ginotan mexri twra, ton kopo kai ta ejoda ta ebazan ta kommata, ta opoia noikiazan aeroplana kai toys efernan edw me kommatikes xrhmatodothseis gia na erqoyn edw na chfisoyn. Kai qelw na rwthsw: H kybernhsh twra, kai en ocei oikonomikhs krishs, ocepote ginoyn ekloges, qa symfwnhsei se kati tetoio; Qa ferei omogeneis edw na chfisoyn, me ta aeroplana;

ANTWNAROS: Qa hqela na to prosperasw ayto to eidiko qema, oxi gia na apofygw na sas apanthsw. Pisteyw oti para polloi Ellhnes omogeneis -Ellhnes, h lejh ``omogeneis'' isws den einai swsth, einai Ellhnes polites, oi opoioi zoyn pera apo ta synora ths xwras- qeloyn na erqoyn na chfisoyn. Kai prepei h dynatothta ayth na toys dinetai xwris na syndyazetai me kostos. Ayto ejyphretei, akribws, h ryqmish. Jerete, prin apo liga xronia kaname th ryqmish gia toys eterodhmotes. Htan, gia paradeigma, kapoios eggegrammenos se enan makrino topo ths Elladas kai zoyse sthn Aqhna. Toy dinetai h dynatothta na chfisei gia thn eklogikh toy perifereia, ekei poy pragmatika zei.

Ayth h dynatothta dinetai twra kai stoys Ellhnes sympatriwtes mas poy zoyn sto ejwteriko. Kai prepei na ejyphrethqoyn sthn askhsh aytoy toy dikaiwmatos, poy to exoyn kai einai aparagrapto. Opws exoyn th dynatothta na askoyn ayto to dikaiwma toys kai oloi oi Ellhnes polites poy zoyn mesa sth xwra. Den noeitai na qeleis na askhseis ena syntagmatiko soy dikaiwma kai na ypoballesai se kostos metaforas. Gia fantasteite kapoion Ellhna o opoios menei sthn Aystralia. Aytos se ti kostos prepei na ypoblhqei gia na erqei edw; Shmasia, loipon, exei na doqei lysh ekei. Na chfizoyn ekei. Ayto einai to zhtoymeno kai se ayto akribws apoblepei h sygkekrimenh ryqmish. Ayto allwste einai kai to pneyma ths syntagmatikhs ryqmishs poy problepei thn chfish sxetikoy nomoy.

XRHSTAKOS: Sygnwmh poy epanerxomai. To rwtw giati ayto afora ola ta kommata h estw ta perissotera. Einai ena megalo kostos ayto gia th dieykolynsh ths chfoy twn omogenwn. Kai anaferomai oxi mono sthn kybernhsh. Kai sto PASOK kai se opoion allo xrhmatodotei me arketa xrhmata, giati ta gnwrizoyme panw-katw posa einai, gia na erxontai oi omogeneis na chfizoyn edw me poly kopo kai poly kostos bebaiws, se mia dyskolh oikonomikh sygkyria. To lew gia ola ta kommata.

ANTWNAROS: Qelw na elpizw oti h proteinomenh ryqmish qa egkriqei telika apo th Boylh twn Ellhnwn wste apo thn 1h Ianoyarioy 2011 kai meta, dhladh gia tis ekloges poy qa ginoyn meta apo ayth thn hmeromhnia, oi sympatriwtes mas poy zoyn pera apo ta synora ths xwras na exoyn th dynatothta na chfizoyn oloi, ekei poy pragmatika menoyn.

Sas eyxaristw.

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