Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-01-26

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 26 Ianoyarioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 182500377

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 26 Ianoyarioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhmera kai kalh ebdomada.

Ayrio, Trith 27 Ianoyarioy, stis 12.00, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh, sto Megaro Majimoy. Gia to qema qa enhmerwqeite ayrio. Qa hqela epishs na sas proideasw oti akribws logw ths synedriashs ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, h kaqhmerinh enhmerwsh qa ginei meta thn oloklhrwsh ths.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, giati kaqe fora to qema ths synedriashs ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, mas to lete, afoy sxedon exei ginei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph;

ANTWNAROS: Molis exw kati neotero, qa sas to pw.

KAKALHS: Diadikastiko qema einai, einai qema enhmerwshs...

ANTWNAROS: Otan qa gnwstopoihqei to qema, qa sas to pw.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Kalh sas mera. Perimenoyme kati, pio oysiastiko, apo th shmerinh drasthriothta toy Ypoyrgoy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, epi toy qematos twn agrotikwn kinhtopoihsewn; Qelw na pw, blepei h kybernhsh mia ektonwsh h mia lhjh ths katastashs;

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizete oti h kybernhsh, edw kai arketo kairo, exei skycei panw apo ta qemata poy apasxoloyn thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Me stoxeymenes draseis antimetwpizei kyriws ta zhthmata ekeinwn twn tmhmatwn ths ellhnikhs koinwnias poy exoyn th megalyterh anagkh. Ayto ginetai me systhma kai mesa sta plaisia bebaiws, toso twn koinotikwn kanonwn poy isxyoyn, oso kai twn dynatothtwn poy epitrepei kai sth xwra mas, h dieqnhs oikonomikh krish, poy brisketai se ejelijh. Mia krish, poy einai h megalyterh oikonomikh krish poy antimetwpizei h anqrwpothta, ta teleytaia 80 xronia. Osa, loipon, exoyn anakoinwqei apo thn kybernhsh kinoyntai akribws mesa se ayta ta plaisia.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Qa hqela na maqw, an yphrje kapoios programmatismos, prin anakoinwqei to paketo twn 500 ekatommyriwn eyrw gia toys agrotes kai kapoia epipleon xrhmata, ap` o,ti gnwrizw. Giati anti na exete kapoia apotelesmata, briskomaste shmera Deytera kai meta apo treis hmeres apo thn anakoinwsh toy paketoy, na mhn exei kopei pleon h xwra sta dyo, alla sta tria. Kai sygxronws yparxei kai ena allo erwthma se ayto poy sas rwtaw: Pws aisqanetai h kybernhsh poy oysiastika oi agrotes lene oti eiste anajiopistoi kai oti ola ayta poy ejaggellete, den qa ta kanete prajh;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh me tis prajeis ths apodeiknyei, akribws, to poso sebetai tis desmeyseis tis opoies exei analabei. Yphrjan kapoioi, to Sabbatokyriako, poy espeysan na milhsoyn gia dhqen paroxes, jafnikes paroxes, se diaforoys tomeis, anaferomenoi, metajy twn allwn, kai sto epidoma qermanshs. Ayth, omws, einai mia desmeysh, thn opoia h kybernhsh exei analabei gia sygkekrimeno, malista, xroniko shmeio. Eixe pei oti qa ginei prajh mesa sto Genarh, dhladh, ton mhna poy dianyoyme twra. Kai orismenoi speydoyn na poyn oti ayto einai kati to jafniko, to anapantexo, to mh anakoinwmeno ek twn proterwn. Antiqeta: Einai mesa sto plaisio, akribws, twn desmeysewn poy exei analabei h kybernhsh. Kai tis desmeyseis ths, tis kanei bhma-bhma prajh. An ayto den eixe ginei, tote kapoioi den qa miloysan, bebaiws, gia ``ektaktes paroxes'', alla gia mia anakoloyqia sthn askhsh politikhs apo thn kybernhsh. Eidika se ayth thn periodo, poy olos o kosmos, olh h Eyrwph kai fysika h xwra mas, dianyei mia dieqnh oikonomikh krish prwtofanoys megeqoys, me ejelijeis poy trexoyn poly gorga kai gia thn opoia krish kaneis den mporei na problecei me sigoyria thn ejelijh ths, mesa, loipon, se ayto to plaisio, h kybernhsh analambanei stoxeymenes prwtoboylies, akribws, gia na anakoyfistoyn ekeinoi poy exoyn th megalyterh anagkh. Akribws, gia na amblynqoyn oi epiptwseis ayths ths krishs gia toys oikonomika asqenesteroys sympolites mas. Kai oloi prepei na antilhfqoyn - -fysika kai oi ekproswpoi toy agrotikoy kosmoy kai oi agrotes- - oti ayto to kati parapanw proerxetai apo to ysterhma twn Ellhnwn politwn. Kai na to ajiologhsoyn opws prepei na to ajiologhsoyn, dioti kamia diekdikhsh den ginetai sebasth - -oso sebasth kai an einai- - otan strefetai enantion toy koinwnikoy synoloy. Otan exei arnhtikes synepeies gia to koinwniko synolo.

TERZHS: Einai pantws entypwsiako, kyrie Ekproswpe, oti h kybernhsh syneidhtopoihse thn anagkh twn stoxeymenwn, opws eipate, paroxwn meta ton anasxhmatismo. Kai se ayto to qema poy eseis qesate, poy paroysiasthkan ws mazikes paroxes, pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh...

ANTWNAROS: Egw den milhsa gia mazikes paroxes. Se kamia periptwsh.

TERZHS: Ayto poy paroysiasate eseis oti kapoioi sxoliasan ws ektaktes paroxes, pws antimetwpizei h kybernhsh to gegonos oti nai men proxwra se aytes kai apo thn allh antimetwpizei thn entonh dyspistia sygkekrimenwn koinwnikwn omadwn, metajy twn opoiwn einai oi agrotes. Perimenoyme kati apo thn kybernhsh sygkekrimeno gia toys agrotes apoce, wste na lyqei o apokleismos;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa symfwnhsw mazi sas oti h kybernhsh eqese se efarmogh tis stoxeymenes politikes meta ton anasxhmatismo. Exw polla paradeigmata na sas pw. Kai an anatrejete, qa deite oti poly prin apo thn 7h Ianoyarioy, thn hmera dhladh poy anasxhmatisthke h kybernhsh, yphrjan sygkekrimenes tetoies stoxeymenes politikes - -metajy twn allwn kai ston agrotiko tomea- - stis opoies exw anaferqei epaneilhmmenws kai tis perasmenes hmeres, alla kai gia alles omades Ellhnwn politwn. Synepws, h kybernhsh, me apolyth synepeia, efarmozei to programma ths. Me apolyth synepeia kanei prajh tis desmeyseis ths, ylopoiei o,ti exei pei pros toys Ellhnes polites. Kai qa prepei oloi na antilhfqoyn oti ayto ginetai - -to lew gia mia akomh fora- - sto plaisio twn dynatothtwn poy yparxoyn mesa se ayth th dieqnh oikonomikh krish. Qa elega, de, se osoys akomh epimenoyn na to agnooyn - -kai den anaferomai se kanenan se ayth thn aiqoysa, gia na mhn yparjei kamia paranohsh- - na koitajoyn kai pera apo ta synora ths xwra mas. Na doyn kai se alles eyrwpaikes xwres pws antimetwpizontai paromoia problhmata, paromoia qemata, paromoia zhthmata poy exoyn prokycei. Den qa koyrastw na lew kati poly aplo: Apo ta telh Noembrioy mexri thn perasmenh ebdomada - -einai dyo hmeromhnies poy eginan oi probleceis ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs- - ta pragmatika stoixeia allajan ardhn kai sthn Eyrwph kai ston kosmo. Kai oles oi xwres, oxi mono ths Eyrwzwnhs, oi 27 ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, kanoyn ayto poy prepei na kanoyn: Na prosarmosoyn tis politikes toys. Kanoyn, dhladh, to aytonohto. Den mporw na antilhfqw giati ayto eklambanetai, eidika sth xwra mas, ws kati jexwristo, ws na mh synebaine poyqena alloy sthn Eyrwph. As koitajoyme kai ligo pera apo ta eqnika synora.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite apo poioys ekproswpoys allwn koinwnikwn omadwn exei hdh dexqei thlefwnhmata o k. Xatzhgakhs, opws anefere o idios, oi opoioi diamartyrontai giati dwsate polla stoys agrotes; Mhpws dexqhke thlefwnhmata, as poyme, apo toys trapezites poy phran 28 dis eyrw apo toys biomhxanoys poy xronia twra pairnoyn foroapallages kai kinhtra; Mhpws dexqhke thlefwnhmata apo toys efoplistes poy pairnoyn xryses epidothseis gia thn aktoploia; Apo poies koinwnikes omades dexqhkate thlefwnhmata;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Xatzhgakhs anaferqhke se ayto to qema. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo, pera apo to, bebaiws, na diaceysw me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo ayto poy epixeireite k. Kakalh - -kai lypamai poy to proswpopoiw gia mia akomh fora. Den einai proqesh moy: Na isxyrizeste sxedon kaqhmerina se ayth thn aiqoysa oti doqhkan 28 dis eyrw sta xrhmatopistwtika idrymata. Ta 28 dis eyrw apoteloyn to synoliko sxedio, to opoio problepei th sthrijh ths reystothtas sth synolikh oikonomia. Kanena eyrw apo ton Proypologismo den xarizetai stis trapezes. Ean merikoi areskontai, gia dikoys toys logoys mikrokommatikoys - -kai en prokeimenw den anaferomai se esas- - na epanalambanoyn ayto to asthrikto epixeirhma, as to kanoyn. Kaneis pia den toys pisteyei.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla asthriktos einai o dikos sas isxyrismos poy lete oti exei dioxeteyqei sthn oikonomia to paketo twn 28 dis eyrw. Alla pera apo ayto, egw qelw na pw, h kybernhsh energopoiei ton koinwniko aytomatismo gia na xtyphsei toys agrotes;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh paraqetei ta pragmatika stoixeia ws exoyn.

MPOTSARHS: Pisteyete oti yparxoyn politikes skopimothtes pisw apo thn emmonh twn agrotwn na paramenoyn sta mploka;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio pisteyw, akradanta malista, einai oti h shmerinh kybernhsh, lambanontas ypoch ths oles tis dynatothtes poy exei h xwra mas, kanei o,ti einai kalytero, prokeimenoy me stoxeymenes politikes - -to epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora- - na dinontai lyseis se aithmata ta opoia proballoyn omades, tmhmata toy ellhnikoy plhqysmoy, twn Ellhnwn politwn, poy exoyn kai ta megalytera problhmata. Ayto einai ekeino poy metraei.

KORIDH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, meta apo tis dhlwseis toy ekproswpoy toy Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn k. Koymoytsakoy gia thn omologia sok toy Toyrkoy hqopoioy, protiqetai h ellhnikh kybernhsh na kanei kamia allh energeia gia to qema ayto;

ANTWNAROS: H paradoxh aytoy toy frikiastikoy gegonotos, opws eipe allwste kai o ekproswpos toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, epibebaiwnei apla ayto to opoio gnwrizame: Eginan frikaleothtes apo thn pleyra twn Toyrkwn sthn Kypro kai ayta ola katagrafontai, bebaiws, twra me poly anaglyfo tropo, dysaresta anaglyfo tropo, apo th Dieqnh Koinothta. Qa ginei o,ti einai aparaithto. Den qa to afhsoyme ayto to qema.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sas akoysa me prosoxh na milate gia thn oikonomikh krish, h opoia den aggizei mono th xwra mas, alla kai oloklhrh thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Kai pragmatika anarwtiemai, tote pws einai dynaton na ejaggelletai ena ejoplistiko programma twn 5 dis eyrw agoras ejoplistikwn apo th Gallia; Pws ayta ta dyo pragmata mporoyn, en pash periptwsei, na symbadisoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw na exoyn ginei tetoies ejaggelies.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Me bash to (den akoygetai) opws qelete peste to eseis, ara den isxyei oti en pash periptwsei qa agorasoyme ejoplistika ths tajews twn 5 dis eyrw;

ANTWNAROS: Otan yparxei kati pros anakoinwsh, qa to plhroforhqeite.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, milwntas tis prohgoymenes hmeres me ena mh politiko proswpo poy gnwrizei kala ta twn koinotikwn diadikasiwn, moy elege oti me ton tropo poy h kybernhsh anakoinwse ta metra gia th sthrijh twn agrotwn, poy oysiastika emfanizontai ws zhmies kai dinontai mesw toy ELGA, dyskola h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh qa apodexqei ayth th diadikasia, giati einai dyskolo na apodeijeis kai na peis oti prokeitai gia zhmies se oloklhrh thn Ellada, dhladh apo ton Ebro mexri thn Krhth kai oti ejefraze etsi ena fobo oti piqanon na aporrifqoyn apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh oi xrhmatodothseis aytes. Eseis ti kanete; To gnwrizete to problhma; Kai ti kanei h kybernhsh gia na to jeperasei, ean yparxei tetoio problhma fysika;

ANTWNAROS: Gi` ayto to qema, menw stis dhlwseis toy k. Xatzhgakh. Den exw na pw kati allo.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Den kalyfqhka apo thn apanthsh poy dwsate sthn erwthsh toy synadelfoy k. Mpotsarh. Eseis qewreite, eyqews, th synexish twn agrotikwn kinhtopoihsewn se opoio eyros yparxei ayth, meta thn anakoinwsh sas kai th qewrhsh sas oti exei doqei lysh; Ypokinoymenes;

ANTWNAROS: Menw sthn apanthsh poy edwsa.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Ejakoloyqw na mhn exw kalyfqei. Den exei shmasia.

ANTWNAROS: Dikaiwma sas, anafaireto.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Thn prohgoymenh ebdomada kai me aformh tis dhlwseis toy k. Reppa gia ta peri ekloghs Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, eixate ekfrasei, me ton tropo sas, den to epanalambanw giati qa moy peite oti ta lew laqos, th dysforia sas oti, en pash periptwsei, to PASOK qetei ena qema eklogwn kai oti dhmioyrgei mia anataraxh, den qymamai pws to eixate pei. O k. Paylopoylos se synenteyjh toy erxetai kai mas leei oti h kybernhsh sas qa yposthrijei ton k. Papoylia sthn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Telika poios qetei qema eklogwn;

ANTWNAROS: O Proedros ths Dhmokratias askei me acogo tropo ta kaqhkonta toy, ta opoia toy exei anaqesei h ellhnikh Politeia. H synergasia toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias --egw eimai edw ek meroys ths kybernhshs-- me thn kybernhsh einai acogh. Pisteyoyme oti den prepei na empleketai to onoma toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias se mikrokommatika paixnidia opws ayta poy ekane thn perasmenh ebdomada to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ep` aytoy, sygnwmh. Kai ayto poy ekane o k. Paylopoylos xqes; H ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, an moy epitrepete, epishma to PASOK den ejefrase tetoia qesh. Thn eixe ekfrasei o k. Reppas proswpika. Erxetai omws enas Ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs sas, kai oxi enas Yfypoyrgos, o k. Paylopoylos, o opoios empleketai amesa se ayta ta qemata twn eklogwn, kai bazei tetoio qema.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den exei kanena logo na mhn prosanatolizetai pros thn kateyqynsh thn opoia diatypwse o k. Paylopoylos.

TERZHS: Na epanadiatypwsw thn erwthsh. Poia h skopimothta ena xrono prin thn epaneklogh toy k. Papoylia h kybernhsh na epanabebaiwnei thn empistosynh ths sto proswpo toy; Yparxei tetoio zhthma; Kai o k. Paylopoylos h opoios Ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs krinei skopimo na to anaferei twra;

ANTWNAROS: Menw stis dyo apanthseis poy edwsa epi toy qematos. Den exw na pw kati allo.

TSIOYFOS: Nomizw oti ayto poy eipe o k. Paylopoylos xqes, o opoios eipe eyqarsws oti h kybernhsh protiqetai na sthrijei ton k. Papoylia gia deyterh qhteia kai malista kalese to PASOK kai eipe na jekaqarisei ekeino th qesh toy, exei mia diafora se sxesh me ayto poy eipate eseis prin apo ligo: Oti h kybernhsh prosanatolizetai. To ``prosanatolizetai'' einai to syzhtame, to ejetazoyme.

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa ayto.

TSIOYFOS: To ``prosanatolizetai'' ti shmainei, kyrie Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa: ``H kybernhsh den exei logo na mhn prosanatolizetai pros thn kateyqynsh thn opoia diatypwse o k. Paylopoylos''...

TSIOYFOS: Nai, nai.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai h topoqethsh thn opoia ekana.

TSIOYFOS: Ayto exei mia diafora se sxesh me ayto poy eipe o k. Paylopoylos.

ANTWNAROS: Menw sth dikh moy apanthsh.

KAKALHS: An katalaba kala, prospaqhsate na aposyndesete tis ektaktes stoxeymenes paroxes me endexomeno proetoimasias prowrwn eklogwn. An ayth einai h qesh ths kybernhshs, giati o Prwqypoyrgos den jekaqarizei epishma kai safws, eixe thn eykairia kai thn Paraskeyh kai to Sabbato na to kanei, oti den prokeitai h kybernhsh na kanei alles ekloges prin apo tis eyrwekloges entos toy 2009. Ayto den to exei kanei o Prwqypoyrgos, giati den to jekaqarizei;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei epaneilhmmenws epi toy qematos. Orismenoi blepoyn, osfrizontai ekloges kai otan blepoyn oti ta sxedia toys den bgainoyn opws ta exoyn fantastei h ta exoyn oneireytei, tote arxizoyn na allazoyn bhmatismo. Qa sas pw ena pragma: H kybernhsh exei mia kai monadikh proteraiothta, kati poly aplo: Na ylopoihsei to programma ths, na kanei prajh tis desmeyseis ths kai na antimetwpisei ta zhthmata ta opoia prokyptoyn apo th dieqnh oikonomikh krish kai tis synepeies poy exei ayth h krish gia thn Ellada, gia th xwra mas. Ayto einai to melhma ths kybernhshs kai oxi ta alla poy diaforoi - -kai den anaferomai pali se esas, giati den exw kamia proqesh na anaferqw- - kapoioi alloi anagrafoyn, anamasoyn, epanalambanoyn xwris kanena apolytws logo.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, exete labei ypoch sas oti h kybernhsh exei bebarhmeno parelqon sto qema twn eklogwn. Dhladh, palaiotera elege oti oi ekloges qa ginoyn sthn wra toys kai tis ekane prowra h qa ginoyn sto 2008. Pote den thrhse aytes tis desmeyseis. Gi` ayto lew, o Prwqypoyrgos giati den desmeyetai twra oti sygkekrimena den qa ginoyn prowres ekloges to 2009;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw to eipa.

Sas eyxaristw.

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